Bible Topics and Questions

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by kreagle (here)
I'm trying to accommodate your request, brother,.....but it seems you have 'left the building'. Did you and Elvis 'hook up' and go somewhere?

I am sorry mate, just been real busy with work this week and haven’t had much of an opportunity for Avalon. Alas that this is the world we live in, that it is modelled in such a way as to keep us busy (diverted) by so many mundane, earthly matters.

Posted by kreagle (here)
Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


This passage of Scripture in the Book of Hebrews candidly reveals why so many people have an overall problem with the 'Word of God', to begin with. For many the Word of God is invasive and literally 'trespasses on their territory', or 'gets up all in their grille,' so-to-speak. Quite frankly, this is 'exactly' the intent of God, for as we, His Creation, scurry about in our hectic lives, no doubt He has observed that it can be difficult, if not almost impossible, to 'get a Word in edgewise'. Hence we find the Surgeon, Himself, surgically employing His Word to divide between the 'carnal aspects of man', ( joints and marrow),.....and.....the 'spiritual aspects of man', ( soul and spirit).

That’s a real interesting interpretation, and I like it. But as you also suggest, I think this is just one of many shapes that this phrase could take.

But regarding my take on the Hebrews quote, namely: ”For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword…”. I interpret this as the nature of Truth - when the Truth hits us, and is immediately and unconditionally recognised by the Human soul. This world is beset with Distortion, and Confusion. But when the light of spiritual reality – the Word of God – pierces through all that to nudge us, illuminate us, then it is ‘quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword.

Also this: ”…dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

God, those Divine beings, or call them Guides, Angels, or even Jesus himself – the nature of the pure Light of Spirit, whatever and however you wish to view it, transcends all matter, and all flesh. There can be no hiding place beneath the all-seeing and all-knowing presence of God/Spirit. As the verse says, ‘God’ ‘discerns the thoughts and intents of the heart’, oh yes, because there can be no deed, no transgression, and no lie – even when we try to deceive ourselves – that is not observed, cannot be recorded, or is not perceived in its entirety, by that Power. ‘He’ knows us better than we know ourselves.

Posted by kreagle (here)
It's because of the 'Mercy and Grace' of our Loving God, that He has set His Word in action,....NOW......in an attempt to 'begin the separation process now',.....instead of waiting for that 'fateful day' when 'death comes knocking on our individual doors!'

I want to underline that word ‘action’ here. I think that sums up the ‘Word of God’ very well, and perhaps not in a Christian way you would recognise. Action is the fulfillment of an Intent. Intent is indicative of Design. And there could be no ‘Creation’, no Universe, no nothing, without that Intelligent Design. So, in essence, for me, the embodiment of the Word of God is Design, which is to say idea, endeavour, goal – PLAN.

And I not really talking about the Garden of Eden here, I’m talking far bigger, far broader and far more profound than that. I’m talking about the All-ness of All-That-Is; all energy, all matter, all spirit and all dimension, in everything that is, or was, and shall yet be in the infinite and magnificent Creation (design) of All. Blows ya mind don’t it!

[kreagle]

Star Mariner,

Thanks for you response. You are certainly within my line of thinking, and more importantly, the Word of God, Itself.

That’s a real interesting interpretation, and I like it. But as you also suggest, I think this is just one of many shapes that this phrase could take.

But regarding my take on the Hebrews quote, namely: ”For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword…”. I interpret this as the nature of Truth - when the Truth hits us, and is immediately and unconditionally recognised by the Human soul. This world is beset with Distortion, and Confusion. But when the light of spiritual reality – the Word of God – pierces through all that to nudge us, illuminate us, then it is ‘quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword.

I especially like this 'sudden burst of Light' that you are suggesting, here,...for I have used it on many occasions. As I have explained, it is the equivalent of someone entering your room and awakening you by abruptly 'turning on the light switch!' It's no surprise that this 'sudden burst of light' is so annoying to our physical bodies and we naturally recoil in anger as we shout,......."turn off that light!" What many fail to recognize, is that regardless of how 'intellectually prepared one might think they are',......the unregenerated man/woman is 'never' prepared for the infusion of God's Light. Hence, it's times like these where rejection becomes the norm, for the individual finds that they simply cannot handle It! Of course, God endeavors to counter this by 'gradually presenting the Light',......here a little,....and there a little, so that we can 'acclimate ourselves to His glorious Light',....the 'Word of God'.

Isaiah 28:9-10 (KJV)

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:


This is just one, of many, reasons why I find the 'Word of God' so fascinating, for It is literally a 'Breathing Document'. It is more than mere words on a piece of paper, my friend,......It is literally 'alive!' To observe It at a distance as It 'comes to action' in the lives of various individuals is astounding, to say the least. It's during these special moments of personal observation that convinces me that the 'Word of God' is in a special category,.......'all by Itself!'

Yes, you are right, in that It literally,.....'blows my mind!'


Your brother, friend, and servant,...........kreagle

[kreagle]

In keeping with the 'Word of God' theme, ones 'family heritage' is easily identified in accordance to how they 'adhere to It's content,....or....take It with a grain of salt'.


Luke 8:19-21 (KJV)

19 Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press.

20 And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.

21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.


Here we clearly see that the 'real family of God' that Jesus recognized were those who, not only, heard the 'Word of God', but went the next step by actually doing It. This 'Biblical principle' still applies today and identifies whether one is in the 'Family',.....or not.


It's because of this that I cannot think of a better reason to love the 'Word of God', ( in It's entirety), and to fulfill It's 'Message of the Gospel' in an effort to not 'miss the Family Reunion' that is in store for us all, one day!


Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thank you kreagle, nicely said.

Here’s a final thought on this from me, regarding the Word of God, His nature, and the supreme Power of the Light.

from Psalm 56:
… I will trust in thee.
In God I will praise his Word,
In God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.

I think this very nicely bookends what we’ve been talking about. Here we see what is in essence the overriding sovereignty of the Human Spirit, enthused with the Faith and the Word of God.

We can call upon the protection of God and of Spirit and be protected, in no matter what trials we face or fears we encounter - the love of God can overcome it. It also reminds us of the eternal nature of our souls. Because we are not truly of the flesh. We are spiritual beings incarnate in flesh. And when that flesh perishes, we should know no fear. In the same psalm these words:

For thou hast delivered my soul from death…

[deridan]

greetings kreagle,
i remember once studying the bible with a view .... 'what is of the person and what is of god', and i remember in conjunction with this question, some very interesting things coming to light when just reading about Elisha and Elijah, they where very how say, virulent about the distinction aswell as confident in the division....and how confident was elisha, well he called down fire, and how much did elijah hate personal mocking, enough to call bears down. (love it, ..believing the ;'shumanite woman' to be one ofthe greatest elicitations of 'faith consciousness')

call that faith consciousness a sort or type of holographic consciousness or reality (cause it is an astral reality somewhere, affecting some where some thing on the 'reality grid' ....maybe we on our inillusion see these real studff as real, not an inkling ofthe total grid)

any case, my mode is one sweep all, couldn't find any fight to join, so i'll kick up some dust in the direction i think it should be kicked up in...
in the i, even delineations of starseededness to each,
one of the avenues that became most pertinent, , is how succeed in a mission..... retaking a template for experience is one end, and by far the easiest,
then there is the one not seen,....transferance,
so why then have this kak religion to see and study with ...should we say this lifetime,,,thoughreallyhatetheseemingness
cause it has the best holographic inprintandtoolkit of transferance ______these therefore are my new goggles to seek what i seek from it... and let u know and complement you and your primary interactive posters for creating impetus here....there is yet gold and valuable knowledgehere

[kreagle]

Religion causes Brain Damage


This thread has been started by Arrowwind, to which I felt compelled to also reply to. I have supplied a 'link' for those who might be interested.

Link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post572127


Any comments or 'personal' insight?


Love and peace,.......kreagle

[kreagle]

deridan,

Thanks, so much, for your valued contribution. Just 'hop right in' whenever the mood might hit you, my friend.

and let u know and complement you and your primary interactive posters for creating impetus here....there is yet gold and valuable knowledgehere

Truer words cannot be possibly spoken, brother.


I think the Psalmist summed it up the best by saying,.......

Psalm 119:162 (KJV)

162 I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.


I think he must have realized that he 'stumbled upon a gold mine' when he found His Word, don't you?


God Bless,......your brother, friend, and servant,.........kreagle

[kreagle]

The 'Apostles' Doctrine'


Acts 2:42, 47 (KJV)

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.



47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.



What 'exactly' was the Apostles' Doctrine,... what role did it play in the development of the early Church,.....and does it matter today?



Your brother, friend, and servant,........kreagle

[kreagle]

A 'Vote' for Religion!


With 'election time' upon us I thought it might be 'interesting to take a vote' on the term 'Religion'

In reality, I 'cast my vote' a long, long, time ago, and I've been very happy with 'my candidate' and how It has served me over the course of my life.

Perhaps there are 'those of you' who would like to 'cast your vote',........'Yay....or....Nay',......regarding this topic.

I just got through commenting on this topic on 'another thread' by pie'n'eal titled,......'Condemning Religions' and will supply a link to my reply where you will also get a 'glimpse of my vote' as I have laid out. Of course, this should come as no surprise to most of you, for I feel that by now most of you should know how I feel regarding this.


Link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post573629

pie'n'eal,

Thanks for the thread, my friend. I don't mind admitting that when I 'originally' viewed the headline for this topic I instinctively recoiled in anguish as I said to myself,......"oh boy, here we go again! Just what we need,....another 'witch-hunt' to seek out and destroy anything resembling religion."

I will have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised to find that my 'original fears' were somewhat unfounded, ( for now), and to personally thank you for your seemingly 'balanced' view on this subject. More often than not, humanity, in general, is guilty of 'throwing the baby out with the bath water', when it comes to dealing with religion. It's never been the fault of God that the 'term' religion has become what it is today, for that 'honor' rests squarely on the shoulders of mankind and his never ending wicked agendas. God made religion 'pure', ( and It still is),......and mankind has, once again, taken something that was intended to be 'pure, productive, and positive' and completely 'polluting, poisoning, and polarizing' it.

Once again, God's Word informs us that 'pure religion' exists!,......but it's up to you and I to 'find it!'


James 1:26-27 (KJV)

26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


The 'responsibility' that each one of us has to 'seek and find' the 'pure religious experience' that God's Word speaks of is further highlighted by the 'harsh reality' that our friend, Kryztian, points out,( in part),........

per Kryztian.......

I believe it's Jordan Maxwell who states "God is too big for one religion" and I believe GOD is even greater than ALL of our religions. But there isn't enough time to practice more than one or two religions in a lifetime,........

In light of this 'sobering truth',.......( "there isn't enough time to practice more than one or two religions in a lifetime"), how much more important must it be to 'get it right the first time!',....or at least as close as possible,.....the 'sooner the better!'

Now, so that no one misunderstands, or misinterprets, what I am saying here, I refer back to the title of the OP,.....'Condemning religion(s)'

One 'should notice' that it is the 'plurality of religions' that has fostered this problem to begin with. This, through the wicked agendas of mankind, has fueled this 'uncontrollable fire' from the onset, and will continue to do so until it has 'consumed every burnable resource at it's disposal', namely our 'chance at salvation!'

Religion,......or more adequately 'pure religion', as defined by God, is recorded in the 'singular context' and as such should always be treated in a 'singular' manner.

(in conclusion)

One might gather that I am in 'favor of condemning religion(s)', based upon the above statements I have made, but in reality that's the 'furthest thing from my mind!' In order to do that I would have to be opposed to our United States Constitution which protects the rights of 'all religion(s)', within the borders of our great nation. Even God, Himself would 'frown upon that',.......and so do I.

Condemning religion(s)?,........undeniably NO!

Personally 'selecting' religion,....a 'pure religion', as Biblically defined?,......unquestionably !!



Your brother, friend, and servant,.....kreagle

[kreagle]

When 'hunger and thirst' are no longer an issue


Matthew 5:6 (KJV)

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.


and,.......


John 6:35 (KJV)

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.



In the preceding verses Jesus relates to us, in His own Words, exactly what measures we all need to take in order to 'never be hungry or thirsty' from a 'spiritual standpoint'. To those who have 'taken Him at His Word' they have gone on to find out, first-hand, that He fulfills His Word in every sense of this passage. 'Natural hunger and thirst' is a very unpleasant thing for the human body to have to go through, especially when one reaches the point of starvation or is exposed to 'famine conditions'. While there are many today who give this 'next thought' little consideration, the Bible warns us of a 'day' when there will be a 'Spiritual hunger and thirst' that cannot be quenched, nor satisfied, for there will be a 'famine' in the land.


Amos 8:11-12 (KJV)

11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.


As you can see, this 'famine' will not be because of the lack of 'natural provisions', ( ie. 'bread or water'), but it will be where conditions have reached a 'critical point in mankind's history' and His Words seem to no longer be able to pierce into the soul of the unsaved. It's at this particular point in time that 'hunger and thirst' will no longer be an issue. The 'spiritual famine' will be in full force, as prophesied by the prophet Amos and indicated above.


Surely those 'prophetic days' aren't here yet, are they? Have they slipped up on us as the 'thief in the night?'


Points to 'ponder' and 'discuss at length',.......while the 'interest is still there', and before it's too late, my dear friends!


Your brother, friend, and servant,.........kreagle

[kreagle]

I don't mind saying that I've been a little 'bummed out' over the election results in America. I also had made the observation, (before the election), that regardless to the outcome, it would not alter or prohibit the overall 'plan of God' in any way whatsoever. I was hoping and praying that something would occur that would bring some 'real change' as far as the direction our country has been heading in for the last four years. I do feel that this recent 'turn of events' will enhance what we are already experiencing, which in turn will expedite the return of our Lord. When times like these 'shake things up',.....it's time to look to the 'Rock of our salvation!'


Romans 8:31 (KJV)

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Hey kreagle. Sorry I've been away mate, just really really busy at the moment and have little time to attend the various topics of interest here at Avalon as I once did...

Regarding your recent post, above, don't lose heart. I know how you feel. 'Bummed out' describes it well. I feel the same. I really had thought (hoped) by now that irreversible cracks would've appeared in our status quo, and the lies, the evil, the corruption and tyranny would have at last begun to break down. Maybe they are, but we are yet to fully see/realise what is exactly going on 'behind the scenes'.

Yes, I too had hoped for something to happen - a very positive sign. It will, it still shall - just not yet, perhaps. But keep the faith. Keep the faith.

Let it be said:

Revelation 21:

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall
dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with with them, and be
their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,
neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

[kreagle]

Paul Harvey - If I Were The Devil (How To Destroy America)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oSFaLUZ2rf4

Paul Harvey certainly must have had some kind of 'Divine intervention' with his statement, here, which,..quite frankly, borders on prophecy. He 'originally' recorded this in 1965,....47 years ago,.....yet the 'tone' of it seems to be 'up to date' in every sense of the word, doesn't it? Everything that was formerly classified as 'right and holy' has now become replaced with polar opposites and with the gradual 'dumbing down of our society' most can't tell the difference anymore!

The only 'solution' to this human dilemma is 'separation' that one will have to undergo in order to reverse this catastrophic trend. My next topic, dealing with this, will be titled,......'Rising above the Fray'.


Our dear friend, Star Mariner, gave us some excellent scriptural references in his previous post, to which I will, likewise, add a timely passage.


2 Corinthians 6:16-18 (KJV)

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Until 'next time',.....God bless each of you,.........kreagle

[Mad Hatter]

Hmm.. so much material and so little time...

With all due respect to all those who have contributed to this thread so far I humbly ask why is the entire conversation not filed correctly under the spiritual section of the forum.

As I have stated on plenty of other occasions I will happily leave that area alone but when this subject matter is put into the general forum area I assume that the OP is up for robust discussion of the subject matter at hand.

It is obvious in the original post that there is a wish to invoke caveats on the discussion so I am therefore asking the OP with the assistance of the moderators to move the thread to a more appropriate home.

If the thread is not moved then I will assume the intent of the OP is robust discussion and as such I will have no hesitation in partaking in my usual style.

Namaste

[kreagle]

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Hmm.. so much material and so little time...

With all due respect to all those who have contributed to this thread so far I humbly ask why is the entire conversation not filed correctly under the spiritual section of the forum.

As I have stated on plenty of other occasions I will happily leave that area alone but when this subject matter is put into the general forum area I assume that the OP is up for robust discussion of the subject matter at hand.

It is obvious in the original post that there is a wish to invoke caveats on the discussion so I am therefore asking the OP with the assistance of the moderators to move the thread to a more appropriate home.

If the thread is not moved then I will assume the intent of the OP is robust discussion and as such I will have no hesitation in partaking in my usual style.

Namaste

Mad Hatter,

Welcome, my friend. If you have read the OP you will find that it was even 'modified', at the request of Kristin ( moderator), for those who failed to understand the original intent. I did not realize that I was suppose to 'categorize' the thread to begin with,.....I just simply submitted the thread with the assumption that it would be categorized in it's appropriate place. I don't even know if I have the ability now to re-categorize this thread in the 'Spirituality' category or not.

If you have read any of the dialogues between Star Mariner and myself, you will find that we have been at odds on several occasions. However he has been very respectful, as he said he would be from the beginning, and we have both been able to find some 'common ground' and carry on with productive material instead of careening off into a debate. The OP is very clear on this. 'Robust discussions' to one person can mean an 'entirely different thing' to another. To be in question of, or opposed, to the Bible and It's concepts is understood and expected for we have all been there, ourselves, at one time or the other. Of course, the antidote to this is to at least harbor enough respect for the Word of God to 'listen and learn' from It, instead of trying to 'disavow and disprove' It in one's mind.

With this being said, I will have to admit that I don't know what your 'usual style' is, but I would like to think that it is one that is conducive to productive dialogue and given in the intent of harmony. I will close with the hopes that we can continue under these simple guidelines of the OP for the enrichment of us all.


Your brother, friend, and servant,........kreagle

[panopticon]

Posted by kreagle (here)
I don't even know if I have the ability now to re-categorize this thread in the 'Spirituality' category or not.

Ask a moderator or admin to do it for you.

[kreagle]

Posted by kreagle (here)
Paul Harvey - If I Were The Devil (How To Destroy America)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oSFaLUZ2rf4

Paul Harvey certainly must have had some kind of 'Divine intervention' with his statement, here, which,..quite frankly, borders on prophecy. He 'originally' recorded this in 1965,....47 years ago,.....yet the 'tone' of it seems to be 'up to date' in every sense of the word, doesn't it? Everything that was formerly classified as 'right and holy' has now become replaced with polar opposites and with the gradual 'dumbing down of our society' most can't tell the difference anymore!

The only 'solution' to this human dilemma is 'separation' that one will have to undergo in order to reverse this catastrophic trend. My next topic, dealing with this, will be titled,......'Rising above the Fray'.


Our dear friend, Star Mariner, gave us some excellent scriptural references in his previous post, to which I will, likewise, add a timely passage.


2 Corinthians 6:16-18 (KJV)

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Until 'next time',.....God bless each of you,.........kreagle

Case in point,........

Everything that was formerly classified as 'right and holy' has now become replaced with polar opposites and with the gradual 'dumbing down of our society' most can't tell the difference anymore!

Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...perations.html
San Francisco to foot bill for sex change operationsBy Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 00:02 EST, 10 November 2012 | UPDATED: 00:28 EST, 10 November 2012


..In just a few days, San Francisco’s legislature will vote on a landmark new bill that if approved would allow city employees to undergo sex change operations on the government’s dime.
The comprehensive new program is part of the city’s universal health plan and is designed to help transgendered individuals who struggle physically and emotionally with their mismatched bodies.

If approved, San Francisco would become the first city to offer such benefits. Minnesota once had a similar program, but the government eliminated it in 1998.


Historic: San Francisco legislators are prepared to vote on a landmark new bill that would cover sex change operations for city employees.


The bill is the product of several members of the city's legislature, also known as the Board of Supervisors, and the Transgender Law Center. After fighting on behalf of the bill for five years, the city's Health Commission finally approved the measure on Tuesday.

All that is left is for the full Board of Supervisors to vote on the bill, which will come Monday.
Supporters of the new bill are calling this move a historic step for not just LGBT equality but for civil liberty as a whole. Board Supervisor Mark Leno, founder of the Transgender Civil Rights Implementation Task Force he was proud to be voting on this bill.

'We have transgender people living and working among us,' Leno said to ABC News. 'They deserve the same dignity and respect as every other citizen. One way is to make sure the city provides equal benefits for equal work'

More...The sex-change sweethearts: How a pageant princess and colonel's son fell in love after BOTH had transgender treatment
‘Just another lady on the House floor’: New Hampshire elects nation's first transgender lawmaker
At 16, this girl became the youngest in the world to have a life-changing operation... can you guess what it was?

Likewise discrimination investigator for the San Francisco Human Rights Commission Marcus Arana said that this measure is what is fair.

“It really is a civil rights issue,” Arana said. “We have an insurance issued that will pay for a hysterectomy in Mary but not in Marcus, and will pay for hormone therapy in Mary but not in Marcus.”
But detractors have called the bill an unaffordable luxury, especially during such an economically uncertain time. This year, San Francisco's budget has surpassed $7 billion for the first time in history.
“Taxpayers cannot afford this, as there are unintended costs and unintended consequences unrelated to the actual surgery, such as their longer-term hormone treatment, psychology needs and other longer term health issues,” Thomas Moyer, a resident and author of 'A Conservative Survival Guide to San Francisco' told Fox News.


Equality: Supporters of the bill are calling the new bill a big step for LGBT rights and civil liberty


To be eligible for coverage under the new program, individuals will have to be employed by the city for at least one year. There is also a $50,000 lifetime cap and a 15 per cent of 50 per cent deductible, which is determined based on whether or not the physician is within the city's health network.
On average, male-to-female surgeries cost about $37,000, while female-to-male surgeries will cost about $77,000.

The program will also cover hormone treatments but will not fund cosmetic procedures. Employees also must undergo a rigorous medical review process that can take up to six months, and a doctor must deem all procedures medically necessary.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2BtpLHzdx



Of course, this is 'just San Francisco' right? They've been like this for years, right?
As the article points out Minnesota had a 'similar bill' like it in up until the government eliminated it in 1998.

I'm afraid the 'snowball effect' is in full display regarding this particular topic and the way it has been 'gaining momentum' and 'growing larger day-by-day'.

How long will it be before it arrives at our 'own doorsteps'?,.....Is it 'coming to a city near you?',.......Has it 'already arrived'?

Is the 'right way' now the 'wrong way',.....or have we simply arrived where there is 'no wrong way at all?'


Will the 'bill' pass this Monday, or not? I wish I could confidently say 'no', but I, alas, cannot do so. It tears me up to say that I'm somewhat 'expecting' it to be approved. I really hope and pray that my 'fears' are unfounded.


Was Paul Harvey right about the 'direction of our country'? Even the whole world?


Something tells me that this particular 'snowball' is going to get much, much, larger and destructive in the days to come as it cascades down and across this 'terrain we refer to as The United States of America!'



Your 'concerned' brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[Cristian]

Why are you so bothered about this bill kreagle?

What is your solution for a better way to help a person that felt trapped into a male or female body his/her entire life?

[kreagle]

Posted by Chris82 (here)
Why are you so bothered about this bill kreagle?

What is your solution for a better way to help a person that felt trapped into a male or female body his/her entire life?

Chris82,


I know you 'genuinely mean well' with your remarks, and question here,....so let me explain my concerns.


It's 'bills like these' that are produced by a society that has grown so far from God, to the point of not knowing who He is anymore, nor realizing His power or ability. Subsequently they come up with 'alternatives' like this to enable the 'suffering victims' to be able to 'live with their maladies' instead of being 'delivered from them!'


Today's society would have, equally, placed the 'demoniac of Gadara', ( Luke 8:26-40), on a 'government funded program' designed to instruct him on 'demonology' and how to 'cope with it's effects!', at the cost of thousands to the taxpayers. In the 'same chapter', ( Luke 8: 43-48), today's society would have directed the 'woman with the issue of blood', ( who had spent all her money on physicians, to no avail), to sign up for the latest 'government entitlement' program which would further fund her 'disease' and throw more dollars at her ailment, and leaving her in the 'same condition'.


'This' is why I'm so bothered by 'bills like these' that inevitably leave people in the 'same condition', ( or worse), and are simply designed to 'mask over the real problem' to begin with!

What is your solution for a better way to help a person that felt trapped into a male or female body his/her entire life?

Chris82, it's not 'my solution' that matters,.....but 'His solution' that counts!

If Jesus can 'cast 1000 devils', ( that's what Legion literally means), out of a 'single man',.....what can He do for a wayward man/woman who has been plagued by an 'identity crisis' all their life? Is this too great of a task for Him? I think not!

If Jesus can, equally, dry up the 'issue of blood', by a 'simple touch of faith', can He not 'dry up all the other issues of our individual lives that have plagued us?' Has His ability abated over the years?,.....Is He not the 'same' as before? The Bible says He is!

Malachi 3:6 (KJV)

6 For I am the Lord, I change not;.......

and,.....


Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)

8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


Last, but not least, there's the 'Creator' issue. I, for one, don't think it would be advisable to find oneself having to 'stand before our Creator', ( as we all will, one day), with the 'indictment against us of endeavoring to be creators, ourselves'. To take His Creation,....us....., and to attempt to 'remake it in our own image' of how we think it should be, is the equivalent to saying,......"God, you goofed, big-time, and totally blew it on this one! Consequently, we will take over and straighten out Your mess!"

God didn't 'goof' with the 'demoniac of Gadara'. When one 'associates with various lifestyles and spirits', they shouldn't be surprised when these 'results, or entities, rub off on them, and become part of their life.' As seen from this example, God, ( through His Mercy and Grace), still 'delivers and saves' to those who will call out to Him, as the demoniac of Gadara did!

God didn't 'goof' with the 'woman who had an issue of blood'. Life simply 'gets in the way' sometimes, doesn't it? It just simply happens, sometimes, and no fault of ours either! We see, once again, that a simple deployment of 'faith', on our part,.....still gets His attention, with the exact 'same results'!

Perhaps some of these people who are suffering an 'identity crisis' for all their lives brought their symptoms upon themselves by the lifestyle, or surroundings, that they exposed themselves to. Or perhaps others didn't do anything to cause their affliction, and life 'just got in the way!' Regardless to the source of blame and cause,...we find a Merciful God, in either case, who awaits His turn in our lives when we've exhausted all other sources. We're 'all' just a 'simple call and touch of faith' away from being delivered, totally, if we will just believe in Him!

Why 'settle for a band-aid',.....when you can be 'completely cured and delivered?' Why 'settle for a physician with a knife in hand',.....when we all have access to the 'Physician with a Sword,...the written Word of God, Himself?'


I trust that 'now' you can see my 'concerns and remedy' to your questions, my friend.


As always,....your friend, brother, and servant,.....kreagle

[mojo]

Hi all,

LA Marzulli is calling these times the great alien deception. LA has written and produced some wonderful things and I recently had contact with him. He appears to not budge on the issue of good vs bad and just like Dr. Greer does, he is categorizing all into one type either all good or all bad. Neither it seems will budge and both could be wrong. I wish they would re-evaluate their stance as it could have an outcome on other peoples contact if they are looking for answers.

edit: In fairness I like what Marzulli says in the video. "We may disagree on the causation but the phenomenon is real, burgeoning and not going away."

I like the call-in guest @1:50 in the video... an excellent viewpoint.

A recent coast interview explaining Lynn's POV.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yaPon43-zO0