What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[mosquito]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
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But houses can be underwater, underground, in the air, in orbit, or on Mars just as easily as they are on Earth, and freeing the ecosystem from bondage to humans. With FE, the stationary house idea becomes pretty meaningless ...

With respect, that isn't exactly heaven on Earth is it ?

[Ilie Pandia]

Heaven on Earth I believe means a heaven you don't have to die to get into

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As I have written many times, I have yet to encounter a more heavenly description of Earth than this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

They were technologically advanced, I am sure that they could easily travel in the solar system, and traveling the stars was probably within their abilities. They had a relationship with nature that most people don’t believe is possible, their average six-year-old was smarter than anybody living on the planet today, and their conscious decision to choose love made it all possible. But their mastery of energy is what made it all possible, from a practical perspective. That reality is one of the stars that I steer by. Some can argue that we need to wake up before we should try to master FE, while I have found that people won’t wake up until they can have the experience of FE. Those who can wake up before FE is delivered to their homes are those whom I seek with my public work.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#question

Best,

Wade

[norman]

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)

Posted by norman (here)
I think what you are telling me is even that "equations" are obsolete.

I think they are not, but just waiting for us to cover new ground with new equations. Unless the whole universe is a mass that's fully dependent on "our" ideas, which I think it's not, I think we have some work to do on leveling the expectations that abound about this notion of FE.

Best wishes to you.

Hi

Norman, have you heard .......

...... He put his hand inside the engine compartment and while looking at the technician withe the smile he tweaked something inside. And that was it. The engine was repaired ...

IQ tests are a scam.

The first time looked at a book full of them I couldn't understand any of the nonsense inside.

Many years later, I was advised to have another look, but this time I was primed with advice about 'how to think'.

I did 3 or 4 of the tests and scored very well.

How could my IQ have just jumped from very poor to above average?

It's silly to think MENSA and those types have a monopoly on brains. They just excel at useless information.

Also, what good have the MENSA people ever done the world?

[Ilie Pandia]

The way we look at intelligence and what intelligence actually is, is likely to change in an abundant world.

You will no longer need to over specialize or develop one side of the brain over the other and so on. IQ tests will become obsolete as well.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Posted by norman (here)
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IQ tests are a scam.
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Norman,

Of course IQ test are not capable of measuring WHOLE intelligence. Intellect is a different story and has little in common with intelligence except that one can not exists without the other to be helpful.

But you have missed the point of my response

I was writing that FE would give us a lot of time in a day to focus on our inner development. To allow us to reconnect with that "knowledge field" and do away with all artificial tools (equations etc) to gain knowledge. Navigating by intuition is a way of accessing that "knowledge field". But you have to learn that ability. You can do it right now of course without FE but you have to feed energy to your body. To do that you must rip that energy from the environment with time consuming and brutal methods. Leaving you less time for your inner development. FE can eliminate that time consuming and brutal methods of delivering energy to our bodies. We can then devote that time for more sentient purpose

For example using newly developed intuition to improve on methods of using FE or move beyond FE

IMHO FE is just a next stage in development of the humankind. One of many to come But first we have to make it to the FE stage. Otherwise there is no point in further discussion of ANY point in the humanity journey because it's about to end We are standing at the cliff top right now deciding if we should climb that space ship waiting for us or allow the approaching stampede to take us to the sea bottom with it...

I choose the space ship And you

[Melinda]

Hi everyone. I’ve been considering some questions regarding ‘Free Energy’ that I’ve encountered over the years, and a few that I’ve considered myself, and I thought I’d share my current perspective, which is a work in progress. It’s quite long (it could have been longer…), but I've placed some highlights in bold. I’d appreciate it if anyone feels like sharing their response.

( Writing helps me think, and I like thinking about this subject )

How can we support FE technology when we don’t yet know its effects?
The way I see it, it must be hard for the qualified scientists to do the research when they lack the funding. How can they get that public funding and widely publicise the research results if FE is barely even acknowledged? Many establishment scientists aren’t even convinced FE is possible. The ones who claim to have worked with it are. How can we get to the stage where FE can be more widely acknowledged in the public domain, unless we contribute to a conscientious debate on the subject? Certain governing powers excuse their destructive behaviour towards the populace because they dismiss us as being uninterested in these solutions. If we can collectively build it into a worthwhile debate, and more of us take an interest in supporting its potential, perhaps we can get to a stage where more scientists (with a proven understanding of FE) will get the funding they need. Then they can analyse the technical effects, and others can start to analyse ways to apply FE responsibly. But how many scientists and researchers have the time and money to invest in exploring the implications of a technology for public benefit, if there’s little or no public support in the form of imagining its potential positive consequences? It occurs to me that we’ll eventually have far more minds applied to FE research if more people make the case for why it’s a good thing to explore. Perhaps this thread is a part of that.

Is it more logical to leave the FE discussion to those qualified to understand it better?
Popular scientist and author Carl Sagan said in interview: “We’ve arranged a society based on technology in which nobody understands anything about science and technology, and this combustible mixture of ignorance and power sooner or later is going to blow up in our faces… Who is running the science and technology in a democracy, if the people don’t know anything about it?” Source: 3mins26secs here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jod7v-m573k If FE were to enter the public domain without more of us having imagined the harmonious ways in which we we’d use it, who would be deciding the best way to apply it? Do we want the FE world politicians and corporations say is possible, or the FE world that we have taken the time to plan for ourselves? Our own vision of health, equality and abundance for everyone.

Would it be better to use current resources more efficiently, rather than pursue FE?
Growing enough organic materials to provide for 7 billion people’s fuel and construction needs, would be far more demanding on the earth’s resources than tapping into FE to create new materials; it would also make it far harder for us to sustain our lives, let alone progress. Most of the world’s population can’t afford their own personal wind turbine or solar panels (the making of which also plunders the earth, as Ilie has pointed out here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post570054 ) Nuclear Plants, Biofuels, Tidal technology and Hydroelectric Dams all negatively impact the natural environment, and fossil fuels are also a pollutant as well as a finite resource. Unlike all those alternatives, FE could mean an end to plundering the earth for its ever-diminishing fuel resources or building/manufacturing materials, an end to miles of piping/wiring across the landscape, and far less environmental pollution from energy usage and waste processing. It could also give us far more creative potential than any of the energy sources we currently use.

Why not just move to a warmer climate where you don’t need to use as much energy?
I know people who’ve moved to eco-villages in warmer climates where they use less electricity thanks to the climate. But billions of people not only aren’t prepared to, but can’t all move to a warm plot of land with a consistent water source; it would unfairly disrupt local communities and put unsustainable pressure on the ecosystem due to building, waste disposal and food cultivation etc. Even before the advent of electrical power and its accompanying technology, large numbers of people living off one area devastated the land. It can be a considerable upheaval to uproot yourself from your community and ancestral land, just to get away from a society that plunders and abuses. If FE was a commonly shared technology, people could stay on their land (without disturbing the local cultures of foreign countries) and have a sustainable, environmentally kinder life. If we don’t apply a sustainable solution that works for everyone, the planet’s environment could be devastated to the detriment of even those choosing to live a simplified way of life. There’ll be no more pristine jungle or unpolluted mountains and rivers left to move to. FE can prevent that problem, and clean up a lot of the damage we’ve already done.

Couldn’t we just stick with what we know but pay a higher price?
Even if some of us could afford to pay more for things, the world’s poorest communities can’t, and sooner or later we will run out of resources. FE on the other hand could technically mean an end to the rising prices of fuel (which affect the prices of virtually everything else), and we wouldn’t have to run out of energy or material resources. I think I prefer the FE option to the austerity measures that the current governing powers would rather apply – taxing our energy use, whilst seeing us travel and exchange information/goods less and less freely while they reserve the life of more abundance for themselves. With FE, those austerity measures aren’t necessary.

What if we just lived simpler lives, with less technology, instead of using FE?
Our technological evolution has given us means of creativity, communication and transport that have seen us grow - helping, learning from, traveling to and understanding each other better in myriad, wonderful ways. Anyone reading through this forum knows the benefits of our technological evolution, because they are using the internet to help find ways to heal the planet and their own lives. Do we really want to go backwards; backwards in science, education, the arts, transport, areas of genuine medical advancement? Even if it was ethically the best thing to do for the environment, most of us in developed countries don’t seem inclined to make that transition ‘backwards’ technologically, and more and more people in developing countries wish to catch up with the creative freedom and easing of physical burdens that comes with a more technologically developed way of life. Can you really tell people they don’t have the right? Even if you were happy to, I doubt that you could stop them moving ‘forward.’ You can’t stop people wanting to progress. Can we really allow ourselves to plunder and pollute the natural environment to the point of destruction, simply because in principal the entire population could have ceased its plundering without FE.

What’s wrong with people doing jobs instead of more machines?
Some people can afford to have others work for them – but I think a lot of those employees (or relatives stuck at home), working in factories, offices, call centers, retail, fast food, transportation etc, if they were freed economically by FE, would rather spend their time contributing in other ways; being with their friends and families, or studying a new field of interest. There are many gifted individuals out there whose ideas and work we never benefit from, simply because it was not affordable for them to hone or share their skills under our current economic model. FE appears to make current resources-based economic models redundant, which can mean less labourers / forms of slavery, and instead more creative, caring and scientific input into our evolution from millions more hearts and minds around the world.

Wouldn’t a world with less machines be better for us?
If we have to go back to manual labour instead of using machines, then we can’t use that time instead to develop ourselves in more engaging and fulfilling ways, developing our skills and ourselves. With a bare-essentials society, we would still have some time and resources to do these things, but far less of them. Many inspiring examples of athleticism, art, science, academia, healing and psychic development that I’ve come across were provided by people who had the time necessary to dedicate to it because they weren’t busy cleaning, fixing, farming and commuting or doing an unrelated job to support themselves. If more of us are afforded that freedom by an FE economy that isn’t resources-based, then even more of us can develop our psychic ability and be less machine-dependent. Even if there are indigenous cultures (with less man-made technology) who have retained more psychic abilities than technological societies, our resource-based economies are plundering their lands and destroying their way of life. So the way I see it, with FE we could sustain the benefits of our technological growth and the extra time/freedom that technology gives us; but without the environmental destruction we have now, and without the debt-slavery that encourages materialism as compensation for our cultural burdens.

Wouldn’t FE just mean more machines destroying our tranquillity?
An FE world could mean an end to the discordant and aggressive noise of traffic, drilling, construction work, shutters slamming, factory equipment, washing machines, electric fans and heaters... the list goes on and on. That noise largely comes from the friction of moving parts or friction with the surrounding landscape. With FE you could have far, far less of it. The structure/design of the machines themselves would change, making them smaller and resulting in our needing less of them. FE powered craft would mean we could travel with speeds and reduced visibility that could potentially mean even less clutter in the skies than we endure currently. The nature of the technology however, would mean we would not all be crashing into each other. So with FE, our immediate earth environments (homes, roads, work places) could actually be quieter, the air would be cleaner and the sky would not be filled with noisy metal clutter, obscuring our view of the stars and the clouds.

Would we be better off with less cars, trucks, trains and planes?
Travel isn’t just essential for work, or food and medical transport. It’s about meeting new souls, learning from them, exchanging with them, and soaking up the many wonders and different vibrations of the planet’s landscape. FE would enable even more of us to enjoy those privileges. But it would not have to lead to an epidemic of vast numbers of tourists descending on and polluting areas of beauty. There are regulated limits to the numbers of vehicles/visitors/residents allowed in areas now, and there are designated flight paths for existing air traffic. It could be the same with FE. FE can allow us to travel in ways that are quieter, faster, more affordable and non-polluting. It could mean less waste and rubbish from vehicles and travellers, much faster and cleaner disposal of waste, and less trampling of the earth. You would not need to build more roads, you could in fact have less because the vehicles would fly above the ground.

Indigenous tribal people seem to be the cultures with the most spiritual relationship with the earth, so shouldn’t we follow their example?
If everyone was happy to move out of their houses and abandon their jobs, homes, gadgets and amenities, perhaps we could rescue the environment by living the way spiritual, indigenous tribes do. But it seems unlikely to happen. The elders of ancient tribes, including the remarkable members of the extraordinary Kogi tribe (Kogi: http://youtu.be/pnLX9pdKuEg ), wish to see an end to the plundering and environmental destruction perpetrated by the rest of us. We’ve seen how governing powers and corporate interests have destroyed vast numbers of indigenous communities in order to seize and pollute the land for its resources. With FE, those same powers would no longer have that justification. Don’t we owe it to the indigenous people of the world to come up with sustainable energy solutions? If we create a responsible FE world, we can eliminate much of the pollution, plundering and abuse of resources that threatens the earth, the indigenous tribes and our own way of life.

Do people demonstrate enough harmony, compassion and decency to responsibly handle FE?
FE could help make these attributes far more common place amongst people, because we would no longer have to have economies conducive to survival mode. If we wait for everyone to be kinder and more considerate to the environment and each other before we introduce FE, we could be on a path to destroy the natural environment and our ability to live in it before we ever evolve to a more considerate state. Allowing that to happen doesn’t save the planet or humanity. Perhaps those who currently choose a less plundering way of life of their own volition are a minority. It's good that they were strong enough to do so. But what about the billions of others who were not so strong that they could fight off the effects of incessant media brain-washing, government dictate or peer pressure? Many people wish daily for an opportunity to show more goodness, but feel trapped in a survivalist, plundering system they have been programmed for from birth and locked into ever since. It is not like the indigenous forest or mountain people, who were born into a different environment of conditioning. FE seems to offer an alternative for everyone, even those who’ve been abused by the consumer or slave culture they were born into and weren’t strong enough to counter. We are offered that alternative if we can learn and freely imagine how best to apply it.

Doesn’t our limit on energy use at least limit our material consumerism?
I think it's because we’ve never had anything like FE that we find it so hard to imagine. Our only frame of reference for a machine-dependent culture is the tricky one we’ve had. Perhaps our transition from using the earth’s resources (to sustain our technological development) onto utilising new energy solutions, is akin to an infant drawing sustenance from their mother to sustain their bodily technology, before learning to draw it from beyond. Our destructive technological phase could be likened to a child, confused by their own growing pains. But what about the part that comes after? The mature, adult phase of overcoming those fears and using our faculties to support and create, rather than to grab and defend. Until you reach that phase of adulthood, you struggle to know how different it can be. Perhaps a lot of the consumer hunger we’ve seen can be likened to a childhood phase – an unattended child hoarding and digesting as many snacks as they can simply because they could for the first time. Many people have been persuaded to see more cars, more clothes, more gadgets as compensation for the labour-based, scarcity-riddled economic model they’re surrounded by. How can enough people reform their perspective, without a viable alternative economic model? FE gives us that alternative model.

Does our limit on energy usage act as a natural form of population control?
There seems to be plenty of room on the planet and in the solar system for a bigger population, if we can live sustainably in terms of our energy use and use of the land. A responsible application of FE can accomplish that. In many cases, communities that have large families do so due to economic circumstances. Poverty results in poorer access to education, and many people choose to have bigger families to assist them with income and take care of them when they are unable to work. So it’s logical to hypothesise that the population would be more inclined to stabilise if everyone was lifted out of poverty and could experience a fairer, kinder world, without being made to compete for resources. FE can provide that, and (unlike today’s most widely used energy sources) provide it sustainably. Eventually, we could get to the stage where we build mother-ships to navigate through space.

Will FE mean everyone lives in uniform-looking ‘anti-gravity’ vessels?
I think a lot of people are turned off the idea of an FE future because they cherish the sustenance, beauty and variety of the natural world and fear an influx of man-made technology. But FE can give us the tools to repair and safeguard that natural world far more, and far more easily, than we do now, so we can cease damaging the environment. FE technology can also mean smaller and even fewer machines. If we embrace FE in our lifetimes that doesn’t mean every house or block of flats would have to be demolished and replaced with a space pod. It does not mean that people who love their beautiful houses or family homes would be forced to dismantle them. Personally I’d like to live in a little house made of reclaimed wood, before my time is up this time around Often when people speak of what we could have* they are looking far into the future, with a long-term view of how to take pressure off the land and its resources if humanity continues to grow. I think a lot of people, if they were able to go on a long space expedition, probably wouldn’t mind taking their home with them

* (eg. Wade Frazier: “…houses can be underwater, underground, in the air, in orbit, or on Mars just as easily as they are on Earth, and freeing the ecosystem from bondage to humans…”)

How does FE really help us, aside from reducing pollution and environmental abuse?
With FE applied lovingly and responsibly, the costs of food, healthcare, electricity, construction, transport, education and manufacturing can be drastically reduced. Everyone can have the technology to provide their own food, power supply and water. That means the standard of living goes up for everyone, and everyone is freer to do what they love – not what the (current) economy dictates they must do to survive. This means a far less competitive world for everyone, where the motivation for most kinds of theft and violence becomes redundant. People would be freer to collaborate on the work projects they choose to do, rather than what they can afford to do. Wars over resources would become unjustifiable. Water shortages would become a thing of the past as FE would enable us to easily desalinate and purify sea water and draw moisture from the air. Farming could be done in craft that hover above the ground, so as not to devastate the land. That may not seem very ‘earthy’ at first, but continuing to plunder the land the way we increasingly do now isn’t exactly considerate to the earth, or sustainable. Healthcare could be revolutionised by regenerative FE technologies; making traditional transplants and drug-based treatments a thing of the past. So with FE, education can improve, whilst food and water shortages, wars over resources, crime, homelessness, slavery, ill health and poverty can all be drastically reduced if not eliminated altogether.

How does FE help us evolve ourselves as individuals?
With more people freed from survival mode, we are freer to develop the kinds of subtle sensitivity that lead to psychic development (including broader empathy, healing, telepathy, telekinesis...) We currently have machines to help us communicate and travel. In an FE world in which more people were uplifted out of survival mode more of us could develop ways to do these things psychically. All of the people I have known with psychic ability were essentially loving individuals – and where there are those in the world who have been drawn into using their abilities in a way that wasn’t benign, it would be interesting to question whether or not they would have gone that route in a world that did not encourage survival mode. Governing powers are trying to made it harder and harder for people all around the world to sustain benign ways of life that are conducive to good psychic health. (Some of their excuses for this include poorer quality food due to cost of providing for more people, and the plundering of land for resources. FE can cure those problems.) I do not believe the ratio of lovingly applied, advanced psychic ability in the world versus negatively applied is the 50/50 gridlock often portrayed by Hollywood’s violent offerings on the subject. I find it worth contemplating the fact that a lot of psychic work that lovingly takes place is done anonymously, so as not to draw attention to itself, and the world could be very different if not for those people who do it for the planet on all our behalves without recognition. A kinder, easier, less competitive world is one that encourages greater compassion, generosity, relaxation, meditation, sensitivity, joy, creativity and collaboration. FE can help give us that kinder world.

If FE frees us from work, what will we actually do all day?
The transition to a world of less labour could be a gradual one. A lot of depression associated with joblessness is related to not being able to provide for yourself (or prove your worth as an individual) under the current economic model and its accompanying, competitive culture. An FE world could eliminate those pressures. In a loving and vibrant FE world we could spend our time in countless new ways: create new forms of art for cultural festivals, study and experiment with breakthroughs in science, design and software, hone skills in our favourite sports and crafts, become healing practitioners, contribute to academic forums, teach for the love of it, train for a solar system exploration team, spend more time with our loved ones, travel the world, learn its languages, see its cultures, mountains, waterfalls and desert sunrises, or help study and preserve its historical sites, wildlife and ecosystems. People do many of these things now for a living and are stimulated on a daily basis. In an FE world, the material costs of doing these things would be drastically reduced. Some philosophers might choose to do nothing but sit and meditate with their friends in the sun, or dedicate poems to the stars. Others might adopt one of the hundreds of thousands of orphans in the world and give them a loving home, because they could finally afford to. Given the choice to do all of these things and more, would we really choose to do nothing?

I do not see FE fixing every last person’s flaws around the globe. But the vision that makes sense to me is the one where billions more people, freed to be more loving, become the most prevalent vibration on the planet with a more benign and less survivalist way of life. Much like a child’s body grows into an adult’s (enabling him or her to do more safely for themselves) FE technology has the potential to be that equivalent in our technological growth, giving us a way to clean up the planet before we wipe its life, and ourselves, off the landscape. It’s possible, perhaps it’s even likely, that if we choose FE lovingly, we will experience the phase where we use non-polluting machines to lift us out of survival mode so we become more supportive and creative, and then afterwards we will reach a new phase – one where our higher level of consciousness enables us to abandon most of the machines and be sustained more by our inner technology. A healthier, more psychic world with an increased spirit of caring and collaboration.

That’s why I find FE such a worthwhile option to explore. Because in an ideal FE world, we can not only end our destructive habits, we can rejuvenate the planet and enhance our benign creativity in tremendously healing ways.

[Ilie Pandia]

Well, well, well... it seems Wade is not the only one writing long essays about Free Energy

Melinda, you are putting many ideas on the table with each oneo deserving their own essay to explore

The ones that stuck with me most were freedom and technology. The reactions we have to both, seems to me that they are based on fear.

Let's take technology first. When we think of a highly advanced technological future we only have the Hollywood version of it to draw from . Movies like Terminator, Wall-e and most end-of-the world scenarios, where technology has crippled us and mostly destroyed the planet. Even shows like StarTrek (as much as I like it) falls short when it comes to presenting a "high tech" future of FE.

We have been conditioned to respond to "high tech" with imagery like the borg collective, bio implants, uniformity and conformity, humans as slaves more and more of the technology they use. That is what is put out there today, via movies, SciFi books, media and "forward thinkers".

It does not have to be like that! That is only one of an infinite range of possibilities. The fear we have of "high tech" is somewhat justified because of the way it's being used today: make more and more powerful weapons and create technologies that allow the few to dominate the many. It's no wonder we don't what to have! But look deeply at this, and realize that is not the tech that is the problem, but the way it's being used, and what it's designed for!

This is why in a Free Energy world we talk about "science from the heart". Technology then is discovered and researched from "heart centered" motivation and the intelligence to bring that forth only comes second and subordinate to the wisdom of the heart. Technology today uses force to beat nature (and sometimes humans) into submission. Technology from the heart can be very very different. I imagine it will not be mechanical in nature, but mostly based on "fields" and our ability to interact with those fields. The tech from an abundant world will not bulldoze our way through life, but rather cooperate with life and celebrate life. When we say "high tech society" we do not have to think of large shiny electro-mechanical things. Meditation, telekinessis and telepathy will be part of our tools in the future of high technology.

So you see what it means when we say that Free Energy will allow us to properly design and use high tech to heal ourselves and the planet, and to free us from slavery. (Perhaps we can replace high tech with heart centered tech, to go around our negative triggers.)

And this brings me to freedom, the second concept that Melinda's essay made me ponder.

Freedom is something very dear to me and I think of it often. What it is, how do we get it, why is it so important... The more I think of it, one think seems clear in my mind: without Free Energy, in this 3D plane of existence, we are slaves. Even though we may appear to be free, we are slaves to those that hold the keys to energy. We are slaves of those that provide food, shelter, clothing, transportation education and so on. We are slaves of our deeply conditioned minds, designed to keep us in this slave state and not even consider the fact that things can be very different.

Freedom is very very hard! It means you need to think for yourself. To be permanently on watch and mindful of your thoughts. To consciously choose what you are going to do with your freedom. To accept total responsibility for your life and perhaps later on for the entire planet. This is not easy with our current minds... it's like being asked to stand tall all the time, after your entire life you've just being lying on your back sleeping. Every fiber of your being begs you to go and lay back down, to go back to sleep, back to not thinking, not asking, back to abdicating your own power, back to only dreaming about being free.

Here is a short story, not mine, and this is how I recall it:

"There was this little bird in a cage crying every day: Freedom! Freedom! I want to be free! Freedom! Freedom!

One day I took pity on it, I opened the cage door to let it fly out. The bird got scared and tucked down in the back of the cage.

I had to get my hands into the cage, get the bird and forcefully pluck it out, while it pinched my fingers. I then threw it out in the air, being blissful about freeing one soul!

A few short minutes later I heard again: Freedom, freedom! I want to be free! Freedom! Freedom!

The bird hard return to the cage, with the door still open and was crying about freedom again"

This is pretty much how most of us today think of Free Energy and the total freedom it implies.

[Melinda]

Ilie,

What a beautiful post! I agree, and whole-heartedly.

Truly, my post could have been 10 times as long with added references and all the other thoughts I had flying around. Perhaps it belongs on another thread – ‘answers to our fears about free energy.’

Sometimes when I speak of free energy with people I see them respond to the idea intellectually with a subtle gladness. But underneath it, the flicker of the unknown, of questions not yet fully formed, afraid to speak themselves. We have all been through so much. And I believe that by drawing these things into the open we can form those questions, give words to our feelings, and find the language that sets our mind free to visualise the answers so we can carry them forward like a nourishing light in our cells, a new visual in our hearts.

Every affirmation helps. And yours was beautiful.

Someday, I would like to read the Ilie essay (…and the Robert essay, the Sandy essay, the Seikou-Kishi essay, the Ernie essay, the Marsila essay, the gripreaper essay… )

Some are writing the essay with the ink of their hearts, with their actions and their visions, which is wonderful, and true. But it’s an extra upliftment to see it written down as well as it is when you put your fingers to the keys Ilie
Many blessings for you,

M

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Melinda, Illie

Thank you for you clarifications They are very refreshing

There is "fear of FE" thread on PA already. Buried deeply here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...013#post466013

Glad i am past this fear now With clear vision of things to come nurtured in the heart

[Wade Frazier]

When I see posts like Melinda’s and Ilie’s, I think that my work might be about finished, but I likely will not get off that easily.

What Melinda put up are important aspects of the kind of conversation that I hope to eventually get going, and as Ilie mentioned, each topic probably deserves its own thread. For somebody who admits to scientific illiteracy, Melinda’s post is refreshingly perceptive. I think that I am required to make some observations and replies to her and Ilie’s posts.

So here goes…

Melinda’s first topic, on the lack of awareness and funding (AKA “help”) for FE scientists and inventors is definitely part of the problem, and Melinda has it right in that raising the awareness of FE and its potential is part of what this thread is about. In fact, it is virtually all that my work has been about for the past twenty-something years. Making FE thinkable has been my publicly-acknowledged game for a long time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

The public’s lack of awareness, however, is only part of the problem at this stage of the game, but the public’s lack of awareness is what allows part of the situation to exist, and is the part that I am focusing on, but a public that puts FE talk on the same shelf as Dancing with the Stars will not be much help, at least not for what I am trying to stir up. Any attempts to engage the public have to aim very high, higher than where 99.9% of the public seems willing to look these days. The organized suppression is highly effective at this stage:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post514878

which all FE debunkers deny, even when the seizure of energy patents under the secrecy laws in the USA is undeniable and rampant. The White Scientists virtually all deny the FE suppression activities, too, and if that does not work to protect them from becoming aware, then they can fall back on the “laws of physics” defense. Their Level 3 awareness is probably the most entrenched of all of those in FE denial, as hard as that may be to believe:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level3

They have a religious faith in their positions, but call them objective. Anybody playing the FE development game, and wants to survive the experience, has to relinquish all ideas of patenting, becoming rich and famous, etc. Those are all pitfalls, and I have yet to meet an inventor who avoided them or even wanted to. As I have stated many times, the only prayer for the FE inventor route is for an inventor with the goods to give it to a worthy group. My efforts can be seen as perhaps the beginnings of trying to form that worthy group, but I am really looking for singers, not soldiers. Anybody who wants to go “do something” at this stage on the technology front needs to go see people like Dennis and offer to sleep on their floor:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post578559

Melinda’s observations about the “small ball” answers from the neo-Luddites and others who advocate austerity are spot on. The world’s poor sure don’t want to hear it, especially coming from self-flagellating whites in the industrialized nations.

It is very clear that when women are freed from the role of being baby-machines in poor, primarily agrarian-based societies, the birth rates go down dramatically, because the exploitation principle behind large families (called “the peasant’s road to wealth” in certain academic corners) no longer applies, and women, when given the opportunity, don’t want to be baby-machines, consigned to a life of drudgery:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...dox#post545023

Two children are plenty for almost all women, if given a truly free choice. But the paradigm is deeply entrenched, as old as civilization, so there is plenty of work to do.

More to write, but it is time to go to work.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have a little time before bed. That cage that Ilie writes about, on the mental level, is built by the dominant ideologies, which are all based on scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

At the emotional level, it is fear. As I stated elsewhere, all fears appear to be rooted in the idea of not being in control of what happens to our bodies, whether that is violence, starvation, incarceration, privation, etc. Once the scarcity game ends, the scarcity-based motivation behind all of those “grab and defend” activities that Melinda alluded to (or “violate and justify,” etc.) can simply go away, relegated to relics of scarcity.

A lot of what Melinda writes about, as far as FE freeing us to get beyond survival issues, is what I call ascending Maslow’s Hierarchy a few levels:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%...archy_of_needs

Fuller called it the pursuit of self-realization:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

To get back to the theme of this wonderful thread, what becomes obsolete is primarily scarcity and our destructive ways of obtaining energy and its fruits. One asteroid would meet all of humanity’s metal needs. Brian O was a big advocate of that:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#oneill

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

One of the things that I hope to see become obsolete with the advent of FE is the culture of death that permeates our societies. It promotes death, despite the shiny, deceptive forms it takes whilst doing so. In doing so it sells us remarkably short. I realise I may be preaching to the choir here on Avalon, but it feels worth reiterating. We are beings made of and connected to a divine source of light - glistening with vitality, wisdom, connectivity and enormous potential for love in the all-pervading senses of the word.

There’s a very profound point made by various scientists in the field of new energy solutions (including Tom Valone, who I’ve quoted below), to do with the cultural significance of the energy we use in our societies. In many ways the nature of our energy use defines the stage of growth we are at in terms of how we perceive our lives.

You don’t have to look very far in the current mainstream media to see a culture of death. It is promulgated and compounded in the TV and print news, in TV and cinema drama, and in multiple aspects of our consumer culture. The TV, cinema, and print media do it fairly obviously with daily coverage or graphic portrayal of violence and death. Our consumer culture does it in multiple ways; examples including... encouraging a technological culture of planned obsolescence (whereby today’s gadget ends up in tomorrow’s landfill), right down to the chemical sun-lotions we are marketed – the marketing of which is based around the sun’s potential to inflict harm on us, and the use of which inflicts harm on the ecosystems, as pointed out by Alex Rogers (quoted below.)

Alex Rogers spoke in 2012 at the premiere of the documentary Aluna the Movie (a film about the Kogi people of Columbia.) He is a Professor of Conservation Biology at the Department of Zoology and a Fellow of Somerville College, University of Oxford.

Various quotes taken from here: http://youtu.be/NkppglKa3_g
1min 58secs in: “The Kogi really understand their environment in a way that is so profound we almost can’t recognise it.”
3mins 5secs in: “When the Kogi talk about connectivity between habitats and ecosystems, that is a very real phenomena that we’ve come to recognise over the last 10, 20 years of ecology. Mangrove forests in particular are intimately connected with other coastal ecosystems such as coral reefs and sea grass beds, and if you damage one of those systems you in fact lose the others, simply because of the knock-on effects of this connectivity.”
13mins 37secs in: “What I would say is that time certainly is running out. I mean you may have seen in the news this week that we’ve reached the magic figure of 400 parts per million CO2 in the atmosphere, which was somewhere which certainly us as biologists never wanted to go. For ecosystems such as coral reefs, we’re almost in a situation where they’re irretrievably gone. Certainly if there isn’t serious action taken within the next 10 years, maybe 20 years, we will see whole systems just disappear from the earth. But having said that, in my own personal experience one person can make a difference. I think the first thing to do is to educate yourselves and educate other people about the consequences of the way we live, the consequences of the levels of individual consumption. I’ll give you a very simple example. People go to tropical countries on holiday, and they slap tons of sun tan cream on. What they don’t realise is that that stuff interferes with the reproductive systems of the very coral reefs that they’re going to see, and actually turns them sterile. So it’s things like that, it’s just the complete thoughtlessness that we’ve slipped into. It’s this absence of thought, which is something which the Kogi talk about a lot: to think about the world, think about where you want to be, and we’re not thinking about where we want to be in 10 or 20 or 30 years time. We’re almost forced or pushed into just thinking about the immediate present.”

The focus on the immediate present that he mentions, makes me again think of our culture of death. It’s a culture which bombards us with images of decay, and promotes consumer items to save our skins (such as sun cream), ranking the importance of fulfilling that need above the importance of considering the wider ecological consequences of the tools we use to do it. A culture of death is one that promotes fears about our immediate gratification and survival, above all else.

On that point, I thought I’d mention what physicist Thomas Valone Ph.D, had to say about the subject in an interview with Regina Meredith of the Conscious Media Network, in (I believe) 2008. Tom Valone authored the book “Zero Point Energy, the Fuel of the Future,” and is one of the directors of the New Energy Movement that was founded by former astronaut Dr Brian O’ Leary.
Speaking about climate change and efforts to implement solutions that could help us restore the environment, he said...

9mins 17secs in: http://youtu.be/MxsiCBzeYkw
Tom: “If we wait until everything’s approved, in theory... it’s going to be too late. We can’t go past 450 parts per million on the earth’s carbon dioxide level or else it’ll be an irreversible change.”
Regina: “And we’re at 380.”
Tom: “Right. It’ll take a Herculean effort, in fact that’s why I’m giving a talk today on the archetypal significance of future energy. Because when you look at the Greek gods you get these archetypal images of what happens when you add fire to your energy. Then you’ve got all kinds of problems and impacts and negative problems that have to be paid off.”
Regina: “Can you give just a little bit of that to us now?”
Tom: “Prometheus. Prometheus is a great example. And unfortunately when you’re stealing fire and wanting to use it for mankind, which is exactly what we’ve done for the past hundred years, Tesla predicted, he says when you use fuel for mankind we’re going to have to stop it for the sake of future generations because of the negative consequences... You’re using a waste product, that’s a morbid, death-containing fossil. It’s our ancestors, if you want to look at it that way. You’re digging up the graves of the ancestors and we’re adding fire to it. It’s so disgusting...
Regina: “Primitive.”
Tom: “Primitive is the word for it, that you end up realising death begets death, and of course that’s what we’re doing to our atmosphere. We’re adding pollution from burning of dead things, to add more death to our living systems. And it’s a contradictory thing. We can’t produce life from burning dead things.”

This strikes me as one of the most fundamental and far-reaching points about accessing the zero-point field for our energy use. It takes us from a culture of energy use that is dependent on death and the burning/consumption of remnants of physical life, to a culture whose energy infrastructure taps into a field that is (to my understanding) clean, alive, vast and infinitely more generous. An energy culture based on vitality, rather than decay.

33mins 5secs in:
Tom: “I kept one newspaper article where a million people were without electricity because of some storm. I thought: this has got to change. Because it’s bad enough to get a storm that makes all kinds of damage to your home and property, like hurricanes in Florida – regular occurrences all the time, then of course you have to lose your electricity on top of that? This is not modern society.”

I thought that part was particularly timely to quote given the recent devastation in the U.S. Switching to sustainable energy solutions, such as ‘free’ / ‘zero-point’ energy that require far less grid-based or road-transport-dependent infrastructures, would mean far less lasting damage from environmental catastrophes. Many of the problems with our current infrastructure (that create long delays and significant costs in the recovery of devastated areas) would become obsolete with FE. The sooner that happens, the better for all of us.

Later in the interview Regina refers back to energy archetypes, asking Tom which is applicable to Zero Point Energy.
40mins 30secs in:
Tom: “Well the archetype for that is Hyperion, and it’s the source of the sun’s energy and the moon’s energy. So you really get a fundamental, non-corporeal energy source that then manifests as visible sun and light energies. And this is probably the most futuristic and also the most acceptable energy source that we could imagine. Zero point energy not only has been the subject of psychic discoveries for example, where they’ve done a 2050 project... I’ll think of the Ph.D’s name who did the project with thousands of people, and they were asking questions of what the year 2050 would be like in terms of many things including energy. But the energy question was universally... the majority of them described it as being solved with small... generators in the home, in the vehicles and in businesses, and in aircraft. And this is exactly the type of archetype that the zero point energy generator will portray. And the nice thing is they, under this questioning, say semi-hypnotic type of remote-viewing of the future, were describing exactly this type of thing as being ‘Oh, the energy problem has been solved.’ And that’s exactly the phrase, and I would say the affirmation, that I’m constantly repeating to myself. I’m trying to envision and create that panacea, where the energy problem has been solved..."
42mins 58secs in: "As Steven Greer very graciously says to his audiences, prayer and affirmation are very important.”

“I’m trying to envision and create that panacea, where the energy problem has been solved...” I believe that’s what you were doing when you started this thread Ilie

The whole interview is worthwhile and enjoyable

[Ilie Pandia]

In a scarcity world accounting is a very important game!

We care a lot about what is mine, what is not mine, how much will I get and what is my share! We are keenly aware of how small the pie is and we want make sure we get our fair cut! (And a fair cut means different things to different people). We begin to get nervous if we are at the end of the queue to get our share from an ever smaller piece of pie and sometimes we are ready to get violent if someone tries to jump in front of us.

We sacrifice quality for profit, make our decisions from fear of not having enough now or in the future and we sometimes even sacrifice long friendships over money.

We have a saying around here that roughly translates to: "Yes, you are my brother... but bread costs money!" or "We are all happy and smiles... until you touch my money!"

These are all ideas deeply rooted in scarcity and would seem ludicrous in an abundant world.

Look now at your past interactions with other people, and see how much was limited because of fear of loss or not having enough money! (We seem to put a price tag on everything...) Did you refuse to help a friend? You could not afford the education you've always wanted? Did you chose a vacation location based on the price? What do you teach your children about wealth and abundance? Did you turn a blind eye to "other people's problems"? Were you ever tempted to cheat or to steal? Did you get very angry with someone that stole from you? How do you tolerate other people's mistakes? How do you feel about how much is your employer paying you and how is that affecting your relation ship?

Now just imagine how would you have reacted or chosen differently if abundance and wealth were not an issue for you and the other party involved.

Would you still chose to pay rent where you live now?

Would you sill go to work? And if yes how would your work day be if you no longer cared about your paycheck or being fired?

What kind of friends would you have? Would you let go of some? Would you get close to others? Would you forgive those that have wronged you?

What about your family? If money were no longer an issue would that make a difference? Would you spend more time together? How would you raise your children? What would you teach them? What you would say to them that most important things are?

Would you still be lazy and procrastinate? Would there still be stuff that you "simply have to do!" in an abundant world? Would you still do something even if you don't feel enthusiastic about doing it?

Would you appreciate nature more? Would you still keep animals in cages or chained to you? Would you consider hugging a tree?

What would be the most delicious food you would choose to eat if price was of no concern? Would it be a fruit?

What would you like to study or learn about? What kind of experiences would you look for? Would you help others to have their own experiences? Would you invite others to share in your own experiences?

How would you feel about life in an abundance world?

I hope you will see that with Free Energy and the abundance that it implies, keeping track of who owns what and how much, becomes irrelevant and I hope you will ponder the questions above and become more aware of your own choices now and imagine the freedom you'd experience in an abundance based paradigm.

[Wade Frazier]

Ha, I’ll tell you what else will be obsolete: me, in more ways than one!

When Ilie gets on a role like that, I just want to stand back in awe, and think that my days are numbered on the choir front. Also, I am an accountant by profession, courtesy of that damn voice in my head, so I will become doubly obsolete. Maybe I can retire then.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

I was reading today about an account of police brutality around the area where I live.

You may think that this has nothing to do with Free Energy, but it has everything to do with.

Things like this, are a small scale manifestation of a huge problem: all most nobody gives a damn about anything else beyond their full belly. Things like this happen because we allow them to happen, as hard as it is to swallow this pill.

Imagining a Free Energy world puts a mirror in our face, and forces us to look in places we would rather not. It shows us our barbaric ways, our lack of caring for one another, our fears and indifference. It's tough to look into that mirror...

The reason this story got reported was because a person watching (who happened to be a reporter) wanted to intervene. He was also served some of the treatment to confirm that "no good deed goes unpunished!"

Violence really scares me, and I doubt I would have dared to do anything. This is a fear I am yet to face and heal. In many ways I am the classic "forum hero", locked inside the house.

With free energy all this becomes obsolete! The police brutality has its reason that will simply not exist in an abundant society. With a creator mentality humans will no longer act from a place of fear. (Even "what's in it for me" is still a fear manifestation of "not being more than enough" for every body).

All this can and will go away, but we have to have a deep look at ourselves and our ways, before we can have Free Energy. This will not come from outside of us... there is nothing to wait for. This can only come from an inside initiative.

"Our society’s institutions are corrupt because people are corrupt" (quote attributed to Dennis Lee)

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
... we have to have a deep look at ourselves and our ways, before we can have Free Energy. This will not come from outside of us... there is nothing to wait for. This can only come from an inside initiative.

"Our society’s institutions are corrupt because people are corrupt" (quote attributed to Dennis Lee)

I need to gently disagree.

What I see as true:
Our society's institutions are corrupt because...
...we have allowed a small contingent of some of the most corrupt people to create a filter mechanism to ensure that only those corruptible are allowed to control the institutions.

The empirical data is skewed. We look at institutions, and see rampant corruption, and leap to the false conclusion that this is human nature. It's not. We may not all exhibit the same degree of integrity and absolute refusal to compromise, but the vast majority of us are not corrupt.

When we entered the game (when we were born), there was already a hierarchical structure in place, and a false history written to make the most corrupt people look like good guys, using nouns like "leaders", "industrialists", "philanthropists", and adjectives such as "powerful", "resourceful", and "smart." The truth is that these people are corrupt, and a huge part of their strategy is to find others of like mind to fill-in the hierarchy beneath them. A book was written some years ago that explored the concept that was called "the Peter Principle", where people who perform competently are promoted up the ladder until they languish in a position of incompetence. The truth is more sinister: (at the higher management levels), people are promoted up the ladder based on loyal complicity, willingness to collude, corruptibility, and ability to hold secrets of corruption.

Otherwise, an effort like The Reset Button, [which seeks to break the existing (corrupt) hierarchy, remove as many of the mechanisms of corruption as possible, and place somewhat randomly chosen ordinary citizens vetted to have no ties to organizations that foster collusion into temporary positions of governance] is doomed to fail, as yet another group of humans tasked with governance (the institution of government) simply falls into corruption.

Ilie, you have integrity. So does Wade. I have integrity. This is not to be confused with being "perfect" - we are most certainly imperfect. Think of yourself and a handful of people that you know - people of integrity - and imagine the group of you starting and operating an institution. Will you become corrupt? I say, no.

But, allow corrupt people to create filtering mechanism that enables them to hand-select the corruptible, and they will. Like the secret societies or the Mafia, the "new hires" need to understand the pecking order, do as they are told, and keep it secret. The further up the ladder, and the more powerful the position, the more likely the person is to be a sociopath (who can easily rationalize any corruption as a means to an end.)

To segue back to free energy, it is my belief that we humans are by and large not corrupt, are generous, and are compassionate. The false paradigm of scarcity temporarily masks these attributes, as we become convinced - on the most visceral level - that we need to compete for resources. Thus, with free energy and abundance, the pressure to compete is lifted, and it will become quite obvious that (by and large) humans are not corrupt.

:~)

Dennis

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Dennis,

I appreciate your good opinion of me, however I do not see myself as having integrity. Not in the way it is required to bring Free Energy to open world.

I guess my writing style is such that I cast my own fears on everybody else, because I seem to see them in almost everybody.

As I have already stated, I am afraid to intervene in the case of violence. And I have some "lack of intervention on my part" that I will have to live with. Nothing major or dramatic, but hiding from it will not do me any good. I try not to blame myself for it, but I still to be aware of this "fear program" in my psyche.

Reading about the Dennis' Lee adventures, I got a different sense about what "integrity" means. My integrity has not been tested, not even %1 of what Dennis and those around him have been through.

I've just finished reading Wade's Medical Racket essay, and more often than not, I've seen myself in the coward that fled, or in the doctors playing all kind of mental trick to solve their cognitive dissonance. I do not consider myself evil, quite the opposite in fact. Also I think that most of the humans are good people with very very few really "dark pathers". But being a good soul does not seem to be enough, because I am trapped in various layers of fear and conditioning that I need to shed before I can talk about integrity.

Your experience with "The Reset Button", in my view, hints and what I am saying here. Most people are not wake... most people are still very afraid. And I include myself in "most people".

The main purpose of this thread is to raise awareness about this conditioning that we respond from, to see the jail around our minds and our hearts, that filters and suppresses the "good in us". (Again I say "our" when I shoud perhaps say only "mine")

Institutions do not have brains or souls. As far as I am concerned they do not exist per se. Behind the institutions is me.. me... me. Working there, hiding experimental data, doing other people dirty job (because I don't dare speak up), prescribing expensive medicine (because I've convinced myself that it is good for the patient, so I can live with the fact that part of the profits will pay for my vacation), libeling others because I did not do proper research... and so on. In my view, the "corrupt institutions" are not the cause, but the effect of... us (me).

I did not write the posts above about you Dennis . You've spent the time to research and write "The Reset Button" and you stood up to TSA. That's only what I am aware of. I am yet to have any of those experiences...

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis Lee ran into a LOT of corrupt people. I don't blame him for making the statement that you quoted. To him (or anyone sticking their head into the nest of hornets) it appears that everyone is corrupt. I guess I should have said I disagree with Dennis Lee - on that one issue. When we have free energy, Dennis Lee will agree with me, I'm convinced. :~)

Dennis

[CdnSirian]

Ilie I have to say I think you're applying a gruelling standard to yourself. I personally don't know anyone who wouldn't avoid violence, except perhaps if their or another's child was in a life threatening situation. In that case, another force takes over. And, some people simply won't deal with the TSA. They drive. It's a choice some can make. I don't think there's anything cowardly in avoiding situations you don't want to deal with, and/or are afraid of.

I think it's reasonable to know your limitations, and function in an arena where your skills and gifts can be shared. Which it seems, you are doing. And very well .