Alex Collier’s Spirit is Broken, Please Help Him Reconnect With Us All…

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Whippet (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
That question tells me that you did not read what I wrote.

Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you? In my opinion, I read what you wrote, and with very good comprehension.

It’s an opinion to you because you are not me. It’s fact because I have countless times proven it to be so in my life. That’s an experiential and provable fact.

This is probably where the contention lies. Your opinion, regardless of how well satisfied you are with it, is not fact. There are no facts, there are only opinions. Opinions, like experiences, are subjective. You even said so yourself - "because you are not me."

Hello Whippet,

You are 100% correct in your perceptions of how you see it. Your chosen word "presumptuous," bingo! You are 100% correct, again! in your world, your perceptions... Spot on!

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc

[Whippet]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Whippet (here)
Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you?

You are 100% correct in your perceptions of how you see it. Your chosen word "presumptuous," bingo! You are 100% correct, again! in your world, your perceptions... Spot on!

Thanks. That's an interesting way of answering my question, but you did answer it, probably without even being aware of it.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Whippet (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Whippet (here)
Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you?

You are 100% correct in your perceptions of how you see it. Your chosen word "presumptuous," bingo! You are 100% correct, again! in your world, your perceptions... Spot on!

Thanks. That's an interesting way of answering my question, but you did answer it, probably without even being aware of it.

See there again, 100% correct in your perception. You are welcome, Whippet!

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Whippet (here)
Thanks. That's an interesting way of answering my question,..

UPDATE: Your queries are such that no matter what the answer is, it needs to be what the you want to hear.

[apokalypse]

i wonder what happen to his project The Adventures of Captain Denar now?

went around search for Alex collier and i found this http://www.imdb.com/search/title?gen...year=2014,2014 which doesn't anything but

from IMDB Least Popular Sci-Fi Titles Released In 2014 it said
The Adventures of Captain Denar (2014)
Having discovered the knowledge of the Pataal, the founders of our universe, Captain Denar is being hunted by regressive races...

George Lucas should on board for this film but the title need to be change get rid of The Adventures...

[Chester]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Why doesn't Alex write a book on his experiences? It can be categorized as Sci Fi ...
[...]

Helloooo?
This is posted on the previous page... where have you been?

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

... Alex has decided to come back to speak publicly again, but this time in the context of a Science Fiction author.

[...]
Please Join us on Sunday 11th November 2012 at 3pm Pacific Time, 11pm UK time for the Reappearance of Alex Collier.

Note to self... Paula, make absolutely sure you dot those “i’s” and cross those “t’s” and don’t forget to use capital letters in the beginning of all your sentences! Got that?
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And no time for sun, fun and family, Paula. You must read all posts and all threads, if you want to be a part of this enlightened community.

PS
Paula, that first sentence is too long. Make two, you sh$tbird, you!
Paula do you need that comma in the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph?
And shouldn’t you spell out 2nd?
You shouldn't use shouldn't.
Paula, too many Paula’s in such a short post.

Great Post - hahahah - Paula holding up the mirror well (to justthisoneman) - how come I haven't see you down at the center?

[Chester]

Posted by Whippet (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
I am 100% responsible for my choices. That’s a fact. Alex Collier is 100% responsible for his choices. That’s my opinion.

Why is one a fact and the other opinion? Aren't they both opinions?

If Alex is 100% responsible for his choices, then so are the ETs. But the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?

co-responsibility IMO - which I am reading to be your point in this last post - Anyways, I appreciate Alex and see nothing to blame - its just life... bring it on!

and I agree with WCBD - I am 100% responsible for my part. I might add that the line between my part and someone else's is grey and so I found I am only comfortable in accepting my 100% and not considering (judgement avoided) how much it may be someone else's or if someone else has any at all... and unfortunatley I also conclude since I am the All That Is as well, then it actually is all my 100% responsibility... did that twist anyone up good?

I am in a joyful mood, spoke with my 74 year old Mom today (we speak maybe 3 - 4 times a year) and she's still sharp as a tack. Must be that South Eastern Colorado clean air.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)


Note to self... Paula, make absolutely sure you dot those “i’s” and cross those “t’s” and don’t forget to use capital letters in the beginning of all your sentences! Got that?
.........................................................
And no time for sun, fun and family, Paula. You must read all posts and all threads, if you want to be a part of this enlightened community.

PS
Paula, that first sentence is too long. Make two, you sh$tbird, you!
Paula do you need that comma in the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph?
And shouldn’t you spell out 2nd?
You shouldn't use shouldn't.
Paula, too many Paula’s in such a short post.

Great Post - hahahah - Paula holding up the mirror well (to justthisoneman) - how come I haven't see you down at the center?

Sir Chester, what's down at the center mean?

The good news is I am my own worst enemy. Which is another way of saying, I get to be the fix-it-and-move-on-Chicky-Babe.

[Chester]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JXXe2aVa1Ek

whip it good... in the shade... try to detect it...

[Whippet]

Posted by justoneman (here)
co-responsibility IMO - which I am reading to be your point in this last post

100% is an absolute extreme. It would be a rare event if anything was 100% our responsibility. All the evidence I see is that it almost never happens. There are too many inputs from the outside environment that influence everything we do. The belief that we have 100% responsibility for our choices is just a cultural mindset, similar to the old belief that the gods were responsible for our actions. In this time of increasing individual helplessness, people want to feel empowered, so they grant themselves the belief that they are in control. Actual observation suggests otherwise.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

The subconscious rules - I know this, my ego even lets me say this and is OK with that.

Back on topic - lets send just love to Alex at this time of need, and leave our own agendas off this thread - perhaps you can start another about what you "believe" in OK?

[ljwheat]

I’M not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I don’t understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVD’s or recordings of his seminar’s instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesn’t say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless it’s all false, and has no value. Ya I’d say something’s wrong, Big time. Either way it doesn’t sound like a march of dime’s drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by ljwheat (here)
I’M not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I don’t understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVD’s or recordings of his seminar’s instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesn’t say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless it’s all false, and has no value. Ya I’d say something’s wrong, Big time. Either way it doesn’t sound like a march of dime’s drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

It may be against their rules of engagement for them to do what you are suggesting. And they may take them very seriously, meaning absolutely no exceptions.

[ljwheat]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by ljwheat (here)
I’M not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I don’t understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVD’s or recordings of his seminar’s instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesn’t say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless it’s all false, and has no value. Ya I’d say something’s wrong, Big time. Either way it doesn’t sound like a march of dime’s drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

It may be against their rules of engagement for them to do what you are suggesting. And they may take them very seriously, meaning absolutely no exceptions.

This isn’t star trek , and the prime directive, “Please” Why dose God always need more money? Rule’s are human control box’s for anything we don’t understand. What I am suggesting is his stories are constructs that flopped. In a growing internet backed fairy tails that lead no where.

Against there rules of engagement, is giving away you power of higher intellect to there so called higher or super intellect.

Nothing this man has said is provable or knowable, nor is Harry Potter, but relies totally on the faith of the reader or listener of the story being told to believe or not believe. Galaxy quest a movie about this very script, a lie accepted as the real thing.

It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety.

I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it. No matter how ridiculous it may look at the moment. Love and light it enough, it just might come true crap. If I wasn’t bald I’d pull my hair out.

It looks to me everyone is loosing there minds, or critical thinking. Send me a Hall Mark Card, maybe I’ll believe another white lie. I not going off on you, but the whole fantasy land mentality. We do have more intelligence than a rock don’t we. Or do we.????

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

We have to ask for assistance at 10% level for the positive ETs to come and, well, help. How they help must also be defined as they say they don't want to become our baby sitters, as this defeats the point of self evolution.

My contention with the A's is IF they have left Alex in the lurch, that is really terrible and well, cowardly. BUT if the A's have met some grief themselves (I mean how would we know?) then that could be a reason.

I believe many people have asked to also be ambassadors for the A's/ETs , but as written in Alex's notes, the ETs scan your past 9 lives to see if you are worthy...

I don't know, I feel flat, when Alex has stated TPTB(W?) have "won", and how he is a "broken man" - that really made me sad... so many false people in this field, deliberate or not, but to me he was very much the essence of what a true, inspirational human should be.

Is the gig up on Earth according to the A's? Can WE (just as few as we are) make that difference? Just don't know myself anymore...

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by ljwheat (here)
I’M not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I don’t understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVD’s or recordings of his seminar’s instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesn’t say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless it’s all false, and has no value. Ya I’d say something’s wrong, Big time. Either way it doesn’t sound like a march of dime’s drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

It may be against their rules of engagement for them to do what you are suggesting. And they may take them very seriously, meaning absolutely no exceptions.

This isn’t star trek , and the prime directive, “Please” Why dose God always need more money? Rule’s are human control box’s for anything we don’t understand. What I am suggesting is his stories are constructs that flopped. In a growing internet backed fairy tails that lead no where.

Against there rules of engagement, is giving away you power of higher intellect to there so called higher or super intellect.

Nothing this man has said is provable or knowable, nor is Harry Potter, but relies totally on the faith of the reader or listener of the story being told to believe or not believe. Galaxy quest a movie about this very script, a lie accepted as the real thing.

It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety.

I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it. No matter how ridiculous it may look at the moment. Love and light it enough, it just might come true crap. If I wasn’t bald I’d pull my hair out.

It looks to me everyone is loosing there minds, or critical thinking. Send me a Hall Mark Card, maybe I’ll believe another white lie. I not going off on you, but the whole fantasy land mentality. We do have more intelligence than a rock don’t we. Or do we.????

It certainly feels like you're going off on me. Anyway, I was just proposing a possibility, so please, take a chill pill.

Before you are so quick to dismiss "prime directive star trek crap" in a kneejerk fashion, maybe you should do your research and you will find that Gene Roddenberry got a lot of his ideas for Star Trek from his communications with extraterrestrials. Don't take my word for it, do your research. This has been discussed on this forum in the past. Search through these forums for "Gene Roddenberry", and start reading.

Also, do a web search for his fairly well documented involvement with the ET channeler Phyllis Schlemmer who he believed to be channeling a group calling themselves the Galactic Federation, as well as other groups. I am not suggesting she was his only means of contact, so don't assume that, please. Anyway, I do know he was involved with her channeling group because I read a transcript where he took part in one of their channeling sessions and he was asking questions. I would track the transcript down and link to it but I'm not feeling very charitable towards you at the moment, so you can do your own homework.

I find it interesting you are lecturing me about using critical thinking, because I'm the one usually suggesting that to other people.

[ljwheat]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by ljwheat (here)
I’M not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I don’t understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVD’s or recordings of his seminar’s instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesn’t say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless it’s all false, and has no value. Ya I’d say something’s wrong, Big time. Either way it doesn’t sound like a march of dime’s drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

It may be against their rules of engagement for them to do what you are suggesting. And they may take them very seriously, meaning absolutely no exceptions.

This isn’t star trek , and the prime directive, “Please” Why dose God always need more money? Rule’s are human control box’s for anything we don’t understand. What I am suggesting is his stories are constructs that flopped. In a growing internet backed fairy tails that lead no where.

Against there rules of engagement, is giving away you power of higher intellect to there so called higher or super intellect.

Nothing this man has said is provable or knowable, nor is Harry Potter, but relies totally on the faith of the reader or listener of the story being told to believe or not believe. Galaxy quest a movie about this very script, a lie accepted as the real thing.

It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety.

I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it. No matter how ridiculous it may look at the moment. Love and light it enough, it just might come true crap. If I wasn’t bald I’d pull my hair out.

It looks to me everyone is loosing there minds, or critical thinking. Send me a Hall Mark Card, maybe I’ll believe another white lie. I not going off on you, but the whole fantasy land mentality. We do have more intelligence than a rock don’t we. Or do we.????

It certainly feels like you're going off on me. Anyway, I was just proposing a possibility, so please, take a chill pill.

Before you are so quick to dismiss "prime directive star trek crap" in a kneejerk fashion, maybe you should do your research and you will find that Gene Roddenberry got a lot of his ideas for Star Trek from his communications with extraterrestrials. Don't take my word for it, do your research. This has been discussed on this forum in the past. Search through these forums for "Gene Roddenberry", and start reading.

Also, do a web search for his fairly well documented involvement with the ET channeler Phyllis Schlemmer who he believed to be channeling a group calling themselves the Galactic Federation, as well as other groups. I am not suggesting she was his only means of contact, so don't assume that, please. Anyway, I do know he was involved with her channeling group because I read a transcript where he took part in one of their channeling sessions and he was asking questions. I would track the transcript down and link to it but I'm not feeling very charitable towards you at the moment, so you can do your own homework.

I find it interesting you are lecturing me about using critical thinking, because I'm the one usually suggesting that to other people.

I was not going off on you, I was just going off, and searching or goggling a fairy tail that supports a fairy tail, is senseless dribble. A manufactured box in side a box looking at a box that’s been handed to us so conveniently for what purpose are these box’s put together. And then have to pay for them.

I have hit bottom a couple times and had to start over, worked three jobs back to back to get back on my feet, the people I worked for and other’s knowing of my predicament could care less I was on my own.

Sure I could have went the hand out route, but this guy sounds lazy as a human, bet as a galactic word he’s good real good at tactical jargon.

Just for once any of this stuff,,,, ANY …. Would actually happen, just one real thing,, No No its all words, playing with the mind of un critical thinking. Sorry that dose not work in fantasy land.

Trying to prove something that is not. Even a rock knows its not going any where. What’s that saying you made your bed…. We chose to experience this or that. Its our destiny ? And non of this applies to Alex. If Hoagland was home less who’s fault would that be. And everyone wants to bail him out sure that’s the human thing to do.

I guess celebrity’s build equity just like in a house after so many year’s you can back mortgage and live on that for a while, there a millions of businesses that flop, books and movie’s that flop, if it didn’t work why keep pumping money into it, giving it a slow death? Show one just one thing that’s real. Just one.

I’m not paying into it or this. If you cant stand in life then you’d better sit down. I’m just fed up with all these fairy tails, stories, movies, all made up by men’s imaginings. I don’t know you, but we do stand on the same ship that has to many leaks in its hull and more are showing up. Build an internet and they will come.

When the only thing that real is the next breath we take, and the work we put into it to make it happen again. Bailing out Alex is giving him a fish, when everyone else has had to learn how to fish. Has he become a charity? Or a progeny of his own handy work. I guess I should have kept my silence, my inner light to myself, and not dumped on any one all this is just my opinion and feelings after a life time of learning how to fish in a very small pond.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
It certainly feels like you're going off on me. Anyway, I was just proposing a possibility, so please, take a chill pill.

Before you are so quick to dismiss "prime directive star trek crap" in a kneejerk fashion, maybe you should do your research and you will find that Gene Roddenberry got a lot of his ideas for Star Trek from his communications with extraterrestrials. Don't take my word for it, do your research. This has been discussed on this forum in the past. Search through these forums for "Gene Roddenberry", and start reading.

Also, do a web search for his fairly well documented involvement with the ET channeler Phyllis Schlemmer who he believed to be channeling a group calling themselves the Galactic Federation, as well as other groups. I am not suggesting she was his only means of contact, so don't assume that, please. Anyway, I do know he was involved with her channeling group because I read a transcript where he took part in one of their channeling sessions and he was asking questions. I would track the transcript down and link to it but I'm not feeling very charitable towards you at the moment, so you can do your own homework.

I find it interesting you are lecturing me about using critical thinking, because I'm the one usually suggesting that to other people.

I was not going off on you, I was just going off, and searching or goggling a fairy tail that supports a fairy tail, is senseless dribble. A manufactured box in side a box looking at a box that’s been handed to us so conveniently for what purpose are these box’s put together. And then have to pay for them.

I have hit bottom a couple times and had to start over, worked three jobs back to back to get back on my feet, the people I worked for and other’s knowing of my predicament could care less I was on my own.

Sure I could have went the hand out route, but this guy sounds lazy as a human, bet as a galactic word he’s good real good at tactical jargon.

Just for once any of this stuff,,,, ANY …. Would actually happen, just one real thing,, No No its all words, playing with the mind of un critical thinking. Sorry that dose not work in fantasy land.

Trying to prove something that is not. Even a rock knows its not going any where. What’s that saying you made your bed…. We chose to experience this or that. Its our destiny ? And non of this applies to Alex. If Hoagland was home less who’s fault would that be. And everyone wants to bail him out sure that’s the human thing to do.

I guess celebrity’s build equity just like in a house after so many year’s you can back mortgage and live on that for a while, there a millions of businesses that flop, books and movie’s that flop, if it didn’t work why keep pumping money into it, giving it a slow death? Show one just one thing that’s real. Just one.

I’m not paying into it or this. If you cant stand in life then you’d better sit down. I’m just fed up with all these fairy tails, stories, movies, all made up by men’s imaginings. I don’t know you, but we do stand on the same ship that has to many leaks in its hull and more are showing up. Build an internet and they will come.

When the only thing that real is the next breath we take, and the work we put into it to make it happen again. Bailing out Alex is giving him a fish, when everyone else has had to learn how to fish. Has he become a charity? Or a progeny of his own handy work. I guess I should have kept my silence, my inner light to myself, and not dumped on any one all this is just my opinion and feelings after a life time of learning how to fish in a very small pond.

I do understand that the subject of contactees is frustratingly ambiguous. Because of its subjective nature, pretty much all of what they say is unprovable and indistinguishable from very imaginative storytelling. And even if they are not "making it all up", you can never tell if they are elaborating and mixing in their own suppositions and opinions and presenting them as coming from advanced ETs. And this is something Alex Collier has actually admitted to doing in the past, in some ways. Just look at all the hilariously wrong predictions at the end of his book. But does this mean he didn't have contact? I don't know. I do not treat his words as fact. But neither would I pronounce him to be a fraud.

I must say, when you spend a great deal of time examining contactee/abductee cases and look at what the more interesting ones have to say, there do emerge themes that are close to being universal to all them. One of them, which is what I was addressing in the comment you initially took issue with, is that it is not just a free-for-all out there. There do seem to be rules for engaging developing races, whether those are self-imposed or part of agreements made between groups, or whether this is considered adherence to Universal Law (respecting Free Will), I'm not sure. But from all I've read on the subject, I do not think it's a very controversial statement to say there are rules of engagement that would preclude certain actions, at least to the ETs who care about such things.

You strike me as someone who wants solid answers and is tired of all the ambiguity that leaves the door so wide open to confabulation and confusion. If that is the case, I would say walk away from this subject of contactees and never look back, because by its very nature it will drive someone like you up the walls. I have a higher tolerance for this stuff than most, and I don't have to "believe in" people's testimony necessarily in order to entertain these possibilities "as if" they were true. As the quote from Aristotle goes, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting or rejecting it."

[Whippet]

Posted by ljwheat (here)
It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety. I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it.

Yes, but truth is often stranger than fiction. And what we accept as truth is often fiction. I think Maunagarjana hit this one squarely on the head when she quoted Aristotle. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting or rejecting it."

[Chester]

Posted by Whippet (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
co-responsibility IMO - which I am reading to be your point in this last post

100% is an absolute extreme. It would be a rare event if anything was 100% our responsibility. All the evidence I see is that it almost never happens. There are too many inputs from the outside environment that influence everything we do. The belief that we have 100% responsibility for our choices is just a cultural mindset, similar to the old belief that the gods were responsible for our actions. In this time of increasing individual helplessness, people want to feel empowered, so they grant themselves the belief that they are in control. Actual observation suggests otherwise.

I see I have 100% responsibility in regards to every single thing I experience. This is how I discovered the universe works for me. There are zero coincidences in my life. Every single experience I have I played a role in that experience arising within my field of awareness. I have attempted to prove to myself this is not true for me for at least every conscious moment of most of my 55 years and I finally cried uncle.

Once I allowed myself to actually consider this might be true for me, I applied that point of view and then observed what happened. I found that this was indeed 100% true for me.

I then accepted this fact (for me) and ever since, my life has begun to go amazing places.

Maybe this isn't true for you... I was truly only speaking for myself.