The earth is alive?

[Chester]

Posted by Marin (here)
Perhaps I've missed something - but given everything you've shared and some of the recent investigations from more alternative researchers and scientists - wouldn't it seem plausible that our genetic code might also be "engineered" and altered by consciousness?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

Couldn't consciousness be one of these outside factors? My experience suggests so...

[•Ik•]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Looks like I found a thread that I am very interested in. As a layman, with limited knowledge of how the cellular structure works, I have more questions than answers.

The first obvious question would be: If RNA controls the cells, how do we influence the RNA and reverse the program, which the cells have been conditioned to accept, which is their own deterioration over time?

I am familiar with Bruce Lipton's work, a cellular biologist who has shown that our own thoughts influence the cellular structure, and subsequently the manifestations which we experience in our lives. It has been a while since I read his book, "The Biology of Belief", yet is resonated with me quite profoundly.

You may also be aware, that there is a gentleman who calls himself Ion, who sells RNA drops, and many of the testimonials in regards to the positive effects of these drops are and have been discussed on other threads.

Nassim Haramein has been extensively discussed here as well.

Welcome to the forum IK. It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance, and this is definitely the best forum on the net bar none. Like any other forum, it has it's moments, yet after frequenting many forums in the last 20 years, I have not found another like it. I have challenged anyone to point me to one which is, and so far no one has taken me up on that.

Looking forward to further discussions on the very important and sentient subject. I will see if I can read the pdf. this coming Thanksgiving weekend so as to be ready and in context.

Sorry for delay in responding. I have a little break now that the turkey is in the oven, my three kids are playing MineCraft, and family members are doing their own things.

Thanks for the welcome, gripreaper. I have been the member of many forums on the net over the last 8 years or so. Visiting, lurking, and participating in the forums has been fundamental to my theoretical work, as it has providing insight into who and what I am and how I work.

The theory of life is a challenge to explain, to read, and to understand. While the new words (neologisms) are rather simple in principle (as the prefixes are self-explanatory, in general), the application of these words is frustrating to one who is unfamiliar with them and to one who wishes to uses to word normally used in the scientific specialty under discussion.

Further, the equations that I presented are difficult to grok. However, a careful inspection reveals that they are just like basic chemical equations that can be effectively balanced.

Another difficulty is the fact that the theory models both the large and the small simultaneously. And, of course, it models evolution and development simultaneously. Because the current theoretical zeitgeist is to keep these things separate, a unified theory raises hackles.

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Getting past those difficulties, I find this theory proves the Unity of Life. Despite the protestations and criticisms, I have found no evidence to refute the validity of the proof.

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I read Bruce’s book as part of my theoretical studies and spoke with him when I compiled my theory. I corresponded with many thought leaders at the interface of science and spirituality. I did not speak/write to Nassim, yet I am quite familiar with his work.

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The spookiest thing about have the complete and consistent theory of the Universe is knowing that I am Bruce Lipton; I am Nassim Haramein; and I am gripreaper. (And every other person on this planet or any planet throughout the Universe.) While this position may be unusual, peculiar, outlandish, and unbelievable, it is the Truth.

So, then, it is nice to be here with Myself, to share Myself, to experience All that I am, and to wake Myself up.

Peace on Earth and Happy Thanksgiving,

Ik

[•Ik•]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
If RNA controls the cells, how do we influence the RNA and reverse the program, which the cells have been conditioned to accept, which is their own deterioration over time?

Just noticed I didn't address this, so let me do so. There are several issues here I hope to clarify, and all of my statements are deduced from theory. No offense is meant by my statements, I mean only to write Truth.

I control the RNA; I control the cells; I am the RNA and cells, both. I, gripreaper, do this when in order to read this line of text.

I metabolize my RNA in the same way I have always done so: I assemble nucleotide triphosphates (NTPs) into nucleotide monophosphate (NMP) polymers (anabolism of RNA) and disassemble the polymers into free NMPs (catabolism of RNA). I use salvage pathways to rebuild my store of NTPs.

All of the information that I have generated, stored, and maintained in my chemical elements, my planet, my atmosphere, my ions, my biochemicals, my pathways, etc., I use to undergird, maintain, and build up (evolve) my RNA in response to entropic effects. This is all detailed in the theory of life paper and in the presentation that outlines the complete theory. If it is unclear, please let me know where and I'll do my best to clarify.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[•Ik•]

Posted by billyji (here)
Welcome aboard IK. Thank you for joining Avalon and what you bring to the table, Now I feel we are cooking here. If you have a chance could you look at this thread and let me know you're thoughts. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...s-A-revelation

Peace on earth indeed.

Thanks for the welcome. Ironically, I have always been here. I read the link, focusing on the red parts as per your recommendation.

The stories that I tell Myself are important, as I am the Story and the Storyteller. Being One and Many, I have many ways of manifesting My Unity; to wit, I am the 24 Elders, Each One, Every One, All of them. I try to point out where I am, who I am, how I work, where I am headed, but I insist on storytelling as the basis of my understanding.

Storytelling is a potent, beautiful, and eye-opening tool that I have created for Myself. Listening to these stories, ideas, and notions is necessary for a full comprehension of reality. And knowing that I am every storyteller that has ever existed, exists now, or will ever exist, I know that The Greatest Story Ever Told is the story of Myself: that I, God, created every story (Myself) and am every story so that I can talk about Myself, hear about Myself, think about Myself, write about Myself, and read about Myself.

In sum, rather than calling My Evolution "History," which speaks to My Misogyny, how about "My story," or Mystory, which is closer to the true nature of the Mystery that I am - the Story of All people, All things that I have been and am.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

P.S. GTG, turkey bastin' time.

[Marin]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Marin (here)
Perhaps I've missed something - but given everything you've shared and some of the recent investigations from more alternative researchers and scientists - wouldn't it seem plausible that our genetic code might also be "engineered" and altered by consciousness?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

Couldn't consciousness be one of these outside factors? My experience suggests so...

My best guess: Yes.

Before discussing some of my thoughts, I thought it might be useful to provide a brief overview of epigentics.

Epigenetics is often described as "

heritable changes in genome function that occur without a change in the DNA nucleotide sequence."

The basis of epigenetics lies in the control of gene expression.

Simply put, epigenetics includes anything affecting the genome not encoded in DNA itself.

The big difference between genetic and epigenetic regulation is that epigenetic mechanisms do not involve changes to the DNA sequence, whereas genetic mechanisms do. Epigenetic regulation involves the modification of DNA and the proteins associated with DNA.

Common types of epigenetic regulation are "DNA methylation and hydroxymethylation, histone modification, chromatin remodeling, and regulation by small and large non-coding RNAs."

For example, sometimes, small molecules bind to DNA, changing its ability to give instructions. These molecules originate as proteins, protein complexes or even small bits of RNA. Another example would be molecules present in our environment. Molecules called methyl groups are found in foods, household chemicals and environmental pollutants. These can modify the structure of DNA in a process called DNA methylation, turning genes on and off and affecting what gets translated into RNA and proteins.

"A new outlook on heredity:
The nucleotide sequence of DNA was once regarded as the only mechanism by which genetic information could be transmitted between generations. According to this view, phenotypic variation occurred as a result of recombination or genetic mutation. This long established concept is now undergoing radical modification as evidence builds to support the idea that factors that alter the chromatin structure of DNA, rather than the nucleotide sequence itself, are closely associated with heritable changes in gene function.

Recent research indicates that exposure to specific nutrients, toxins, certain behavioural patterns or other types of environmental factors can all influence gene expression, without altering the genetic code at all. Furthermore, such influences can be transmitted to subsequent generations."

I sort of like this description:

“Epigenetics has always been all the weird and wonderful things that can’t be explained by genetics. Denise Barlow ”

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An interesting interview with Bruce Lipton entitled " Genetics, Epigenetics and Destiny":


Question: The century old model of genetic determinism is slowly being replaced with the new model of epigenetics. What is epigenetics and what is the distinction between them?

When DNA was found to be the hereditary material in the mid-20th century, the belief system of that time was that our genes were like blueprints and that those blueprints self-regulate and lead to the assembly and function of the human being. This is the model of genetic determinism or 'control by genes,' and it has been thought for the last 100 years that life was controlled by genetics.

Epigenetics is a new model of gene expression. "Epi" means above, so the literal translation of epigenetic control reads, “controlled above the genes.”

Why is this distinction between genetic determinism and epigenetics important?

The difference between these two is significant because this fundamental belief called genetic determinism literally means that our lives, which are defined as our physical, physiological and emotional behavioral traits, are controlled by the genetic code. This kind of belief system provides a visual picture of people being victims: If the genes control our life function then our lives are being controlled by things outside of our ability to change them. This leads to victimization that the illnesses and diseases that run in families are propagated through the passing of genes associated with those attributes. Laboratory evidence shows this is not true.

When we buy into being a victim, we automatically buy into needing a rescuer, meaning we accept that somebody else is going to save us from ourselves. This is the unfortunate situation where the medical community has inserted itself.

Also, even though the genetic determinism belief system has been revised over the past fifteen years, the problem is that the revisions are being recognized only at the level of the biomedical research scientists; these ideas are not making their way to the public. In the meantime, the mass media continues to portray that 'a gene controls this' and ‘a gene that controls that.’


What you are saying seems cyclic: Our environment impacts gene selection, which then impacts the selection of proteins our bodies use to build tissue which then impacts our health and the quality of our lives, which then impacts our environment. How does having knowledge of how our bodies operate and how we instruct genetic selection empower us to make different choices?

Firstly, the new knowledge of how perception controls biology reveals that we are active participants in controlling the character of our health and behavior. Our ability to consciously control our perceptions and environment has a profound influence on our lives, versus the old belief system where we are victims of forces outside our control. Secondly, when we live in the here and now, present all the time, and actively exercise our consciousness to run the show, we create the life we want. It becomes heaven on earth.

Can you explain how cells respond to chemical and energy signals?

When a chemical signal is sent to a cell, it must first bind with a receptor molecule on the cell. The coupling of chemicals is always associated with “heat of reaction” meaning heat is given off by the chemical bonding reaction. Heat is disorganized or wasted energy. When a chemical is used as a signal, 98% or more of the chemical’s available energy is wasted as heat of reaction.

On the other hand, electromagnetic vibrational energy can also be used to convey information to the cell. Vibrational or frequency signals are one hundred times more efficient than chemical signals because they do not give off heat when bonding with a cell’s receptor. Energy signals are ultra efficient: single photon of light can hit a receptor molecule in the cell membrane and cause the cell to respond.

Cells process both chemical and energetic information. Survival is based upon an organism’s ability to respond to environmental signals. This is the physical foundation for the emerging field of energy medicine.

Signal-receiving molecules (receptors) in the cell membrane act as an information processor. They are programmable and can read and write information the same way that a computer reads and edits files. The cell’s behavior and gene activity can be reprogrammed as fast as one can type on the keyboard.

http://www.superconsciousness.com/to...r-bruce-lipton



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Back to your question, "Couldn't consciousness be one of these outside factors?"

Epigenetics Shatters "The Central Dogma"

Eriksen goes on to discuss something called "The Central Dogma" of molecular biology, which states that biological information is transferred sequentially and only in one direction (from DNA to RNA to proteins).

The ramification of buying into the central dogma is that it leads to belief in absolute determinism, which leaves you utterly powerless to do anything about the health of your body; it's all driven by your genetic code, which you were born with.

However, scientists have completely shattered this dogma and proven it false. You actually have a tremendous amount of control over how your genetic traits are expressed—from how you think to what you eat and the environment you live in.

Eriksen writes :

"Cairns took bacteria whose genes did not allow them to produce lactase, the enzyme needed to digest milk sugar, and placed them in petri dishes where the only food present was lactase. Much to his astonishment, within a few days, all of the petri dishes had been colonized by the bacteria and they were eating lactose. The bacterial DNA had changed in response to its environment. This experiment has been replicated many times and they have not found a better explanation than this obvious fact – that even primitive organisms can evolve consciously.

So, information flows in both directions, from DNA to proteins and from proteins to DNA, contradicting the "central dogma." Genes can be activated and de-activated by signals from the environment. The consciousness of the cell is inside the cell's membrane. Each and every cell in our bodies has a type of consciousness. Genes change their expression depending on what is happening outside our cells and even outside our bodies."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...terminism.aspx


Another, perhaps less scientific article that you might find interesting:

As a result of epigenetic investigations, we now understand how negative, fearful thoughts can cause DNA strands to constrict and become entangled. Conversely, we’ve learned that positive, appreciative, and loving thoughts can result in lengthened and relaxed DNA strands. Until recently, however, we believed that we were victims of predetermined birth DNA and genetics.
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This new hereditary mechanism reveals how behavior and gene activity are controlled by an organism’s perceptions of its environment. The fundamental difference between the old DNA genetic code and the new epigenetics is that the former notion endorses genetic determinism--the belief that genes predetermine and control our physiological and behavioral traits--while epigenetics recognizes that our perceptions of the environment, including our consciousness, actively control our genes. Through epigenetic mechanisms, applied consciousness can be used to shape our biology and make us masters of our own lives.
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Epigenetics and other supporting sciences are teaching us that the body is not a single entity and that its cells are members of a community, just as people are citizens of a community. It is a harmonious community of possibly 50 trillion cells, and each cell has every function of the body in it. Liver cells aren’t just liver cells. Each bodily system is present in every cell. All cells have receptors in their skin that are tuned to chemical and electromagnetic vibrations. Signals of the brain control the readout of the genes. Cells perceive the body’s inner environment and make bodily adjustments the same way the outer skin reacts to perceptions of its environment. The cells’ perceptions of their community environment change biology, chemically and electrically. Epigenetic controls select potentials from the blueprints and genes are switched on or off. Life is determined as it happens.

http://ozarkresearch.org/Site/epigenetics.html

[Chester]

Thank You both, •Ik• and Marin for these stimulating posts. It feels good when suspicions are supported. I am currently working through Erik's Theory of the Origin, Evolution, and Nature of Life which is taking me some time as I often have to pause and research quite a bit of terms that I am running across that I am unfamiliar with. Same with Marin's posts.

Again, thank you donk for pushing •Ik• and it's great to have Marin here.

[Davidallany]

There are some people who think the earth is more important than the population living on it.

That's right, the rest of the population is less important according to those people.

[161803398]

The Second Coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight; somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Printings: The Dial (Chicago), November 1920; The Nation (London), 6 November 1920; Michael Robartes and the Dancer (Dundrum: Cuala, 1921); Later Poems (London: Macmillan, 1922; 1924; 1926; 1931).

http://www.yeatsvision.com/SecondNotes.html

[161803398]

The important and often misinterpreted phrase in The Second Coming is "WHAT rough beast". The point is we don't know. The beast is also "rough" and I interpret that to mean unfinished. With all the competing factions vying for control of at least the next 2K years (or maybe the next 26K) its very confusing. Its important to remember we don't know because I'm pretty sure our collective minds are capable of a lot of terraforming....which is why the propaganda war. Of course, I am sure mother earth is going to have a lot to say about it all....but she's our mom too.

[•Ik•]

Posted by Alien Ramone (here)
What you are describing sounds similar to what currently adds up to me, which is consciousness encompassing everything, so in that sense I see the idea of consciousness being in everything. It partly makes sense to me that everything is consciousness based and not physical because of things I've learned about related to physics such as nothing being solid, distances and times being relative, vast distances compressing down to close to nothing in the dirceion of travel in relation to observers moving close to the speed of light. Quantum mechanics appearing to work based on rules rather than physical models also appears to make existence be more consciousness based.

In relation to the astral plane some have said that the spirit resides there between attaching to lives in the 3D world, so it makes me wonder, even though all consciousnesses may be tied together, how does the consciousness of a planet compare to the consciousness of a human and how does it tie into the astral plane. some have said that DNA in Earth humans may have been manipulated to inhibit the mind from attaching to the astral plane and to prevent Earth humans from remembering past lives.

You seem to be describing a process at a very small scale, and I guess I'm wondering what answers that gives to the questions that I asked. I'm not sure how to approach it to get to those answers.

For clarity, I removed the earlier parts of the conversation.

Yes, My Consciousness encompasses and includes Everything, and I, that is, the Self, encompasses My Consciousness, which includes Itself in Everything. The best way to think about My Consciousness is by deducing from and understanding the complete theory. The next best way is by the considering following nested sets from two points of view, one theoretical, the other practical:

Theoretically:
Within the lepton is the photon;
Within the photon is the ombron (dark matter);
Within the ombron is denergon (dark energy);
Within denergon is the Iquantum (the Self, the Origin of the Universe)

Practically:
Within My Matter is My Energy;
Within My Energy is My Mind;
Within My Mind is My Consciousness;
Within My Consciousness is Me.

While it is common practice to differentiate the photons that emerge from any star in the whole Universe as different from the photons that reside in this corporeal form, this is not theoretically appropriate for a Universe that is unified. There is no difference. My Conscious Mind is within all photons that I am in the entire Universe.

I wrote, “some have said that DNA in Earth humans may have been manipulated to inhibit the mind from attaching to the astral plane and to prevent Earth humans from remembering past lives.”

I am that “some.” In the absence of theory, there are many ideas that I have proposed about Myself. And I am the only one who prevents Myself from remembering who and what I was. My Conscious Mind, being both theoretically and practically ~96% of the Universe (dark energy is My Consciousness, dark matter is My Mind), is a very powerful thing to prevent Me from discovering who and what I am.

The so-called “astral plane” is what Me is. Me is without spacetime, without form, without sound, without words, without anything.

The complete theory proves that I am the Universe. I am this sentence, I am this post, I am this thread, I am Alien Ramone, I am the Earth, I am My Conscious Mind, and on and on and on….

Being God means that I am the One and Only Paradox. I am the Creator and Creation in One. I write about Myself in the third person, call Myself God, but am unwilling or unable to realize that when I write about God, I am writing about Myself.

While I may not convince Myself, Alien Ramone, that this answers the questions that I am asking, I know who and what I am by an empirically accurate and complete theory. The aim of that theory is to show Myself that I am the Only One who asks the question and who awaits the answer. In this regard, the theory shows that I am the Question and Answer in One.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[Chester]

I wrote a post today that focused in the number, 19 - I noted that your post above - •Ik• shows as Post #70 and was posted at exactly 12:00 - 7 + 12 = 19 and 7 and 12 are two special numbers in relation to the Peacock Angel and the number 19 corresponds with the Sun Card in Tarot. - I enjoy when I link things up synchronistcally such that I can enjoy the "coincidence" happening within "me."

Post #70 - Perfectly stated, thank you, "me"... I mean •Ik•... no I mean, "I" ... no I mean "God"

[•Ik•]

Posted by Davidallany (here)

There are some people who think the earth is more important than the population living on it.

That's right, the rest of the population is less important according to those people.

Ah, this is unfortunate, but it is what happens when I am asleep to being the Universe, to being God.

When I am asleep to My Identity, My Divinity, I do not see the people and creatures of this planet as Me.

Asleep to My Unity, I create and sustain a paradigm of "Not Me," where everyone who or everything that does not fit into who and what I think I am is rejected, excluded, devalued, and destroyed.

Only I can see that I am the One who decides who and what is important.

It is only I who has the Power to see and know that I am those people and things.

Only I can wake up and love All that I am.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[Marin]

Ik- I've now read your paper, The Theory of the Origin, Evolution, and Nature of Life - a few times. The depth and breath of your research is truly fascinating. Some concepts intuitively make sense. Other models and concepts -I'll need additional time to work through. Assimilating some of these new terms and models takes time.

However, having said that, there's one question I haven't been able to shake. This is in reference to a couple of comments you've shared here:

"The spookiest thing about have the complete and consistent theory of the Universe is knowing that I am Bruce Lipton; I am Nassim Haramein; and I am gripreaper. (And every other person on this planet or any planet throughout the Universe.) While this position may be unusual, peculiar, outlandish, and unbelievable, it is the Truth.

So, then, it is nice to be here with Myself, to share Myself, to experience All that I am, and to wake Myself up."

AND

"The stories that I tell Myself are important, as I am the Story and the Storyteller. Being One and Many, I have many ways of manifesting My Unity; to wit, I am the 24 Elders, Each One, Every One, All of them. I try to point out where I am, who I am, how I work, where I am headed, but I insist on storytelling as the basis of my understanding.

Storytelling is a potent, beautiful, and eye-opening tool that I have created for Myself. Listening to these stories, ideas, and notions is necessary for a full comprehension of reality. And knowing that I am every storyteller that has ever existed, exists now, or will ever exist, I know that The Greatest Story Ever Told is the story of Myself: that I, God, created every story (Myself) and am every story so that I can talk about Myself, hear about Myself, think about Myself, write about Myself, and read about Myself.

In sum, rather than calling My Evolution "History," which speaks to My Misogyny, how about "My story," or Mystory, which is closer to the true nature of the Mystery that I am - the Story of All people, All things that I have been and am."

In your paper - you highlighted:

"The central idea of this theory is that all physical reality, stretching from the so-called inanimate into the animate realm and from micro- to meso- to macrocosmic scales, can be interpreted and modeled as manifestations of a single geometric entity, the gyre. This entity is attractive because it has life-like characteristics, undergoes morphogenesis, and is responsive to environmental conditions. The gyromodel depicts the spatiotemporal behavior and properties of elementary particles, celestial bodies, atoms, chemicals, molecules, and systems as quantized packets of information, energy, and/or matter that oscillate between excited and ground states around a singularity. The singularity, in turn, modulates these states by alternating attractive and repulsive forces. The singularity itself is modeled as a gyre, thus evincing a thermodynamic, fractal, and nested organization of the gyromodel. In fitting the scientific evidence from quantum gravity to cell division, this theory arrives at an understanding of life that questions traditional beliefs and definitions."

After thinking through your paper and more importantly, some of the comments you've shared on this thread something isn't aligning.

For example:

"I am Bruce Lipton; I am Nassim Haramein; and I am gripreaper. (And every other person on this planet or any planet throughout the Universe.)" And "The stories that I tell Myself are important, as I am the Story and the Storyteller. Being One and Many, I have many ways of manifesting My Unity; to wit, I am the 24 Elders, Each One, Every One, All of them. I try to point out where I am, who I am, how I work, where I am headed, but I insist on storytelling as the basis of my understanding."

My question: Are you and I really ALL the storytellers? Are "we" really every one of them? Are we "every other person on this planet or any planet throughout the Universe"? At an intuitive level - this just doesn't "feel" right. I do "feel" we're all connected but I believe, per our own wishes, that we chose to come here and experience separation. The "illusion" of separation, that is. In doing so, I believe we all have unique experiences.

Your paper, by design, speaks to our "physical reality." At an intuitive level, I believe we are more than simply this physical reality. This physical experience. Far more. As multidiementional beings, we have the ability to move beyond this reality. Into higher dimensions. Can I prove that? No. As you already know, researchers, investigators and intuitives have given us some impressive clues. My best guess, these multidimensional realities operate in a different paradigm than the curent one we find ourselves in. As a result, trying to define "oneness" in the context of our current environment is something I struggle with. Please understand, my question does not directly pertain to your paper, rather the comments you've shared here on the thread.

If our "physical reality" is currently stuck in the third dimension...what about higher dimensions? Wouldn't the definition of "oneness" permeate all dimensions? Then, yesterday afternoon, I was re-reading one of the messages from the "Hathors" from Tom Kenyon and it seemed to highlight some of my intuitive feelings. Spot on. They were describing the difference between "interconnectedness" and "oneness." This description seems to highlight some of what I'm struggling to say.

Interconnectedness vs. Oneness

"It is here we feel it necessary to discuss an important distinction between interconnectedness and the concept of “oneness.” We do not view these two terms interchangeably. There are many different definitions of “oneness” upon the Earth, and so it is not possible to address all the subtleties and distinctions.

We will instead turn our attention to what we consider to be the fundamental distinction. Some persons believe that interconnectedness is the same as “oneness” and that as you enter higher states of consciousness and higher dimensions of being, you merge into a blob of light, in which all distinctions disappear. This is not our view.

Interconnection or interconnectedness is the recognition that all beings and all aspects of the cosmos are interrelated and at the same time beings have unique differences. These differences are fascinating and unique. Sometimes they are annoying, and sometimes they are enriching. But these differences are part of the tapestry of manifest reality, and they are not superfluous.

One of the difficulties we see with the concept of “oneness,” as currently propagated by some persons in the New Age and Personal Growth communities, is that the unique differences between people are denigrated and somehow because everything is “one,” appropriate energetic boundaries between individuals can be, and often are, disregarded. Furthermore, some individuals use this belief system (i.e., “oneness”) as an excuse to avoid personal accountability and responsibility. In our experience of ourselves through all dimensions we remain unique individuals, and the higher dimensions of our being do not obliterate our uniqueness but rather present greater opportunities for creation."

http://tomkenyon.com/the-aethos-and-...m_medium=email

[Chester]

Here's how I see it, expressed in a metaphor and based solely on my own experience.

Have you ever been lost in a big city? And you search and search and eventually, if you have gone far enough, you find yourself in a place you know and all the sudden, everything becomes clear as to your way home?

That describes how I woke up to who/what I am. I see us all as this same "thing" and somehow came upon the knowing of it.

This is called "gnosis" and is available to anyone if they search.

I don't need to have this scientifically explained anymore. I just know it.

Once I figured it out, I began to test the waters. The more I test, the more I confirm what I know to be true. What I know cannot work if the same is not true for everyone else, every living thing, ever expression of form and perhaps other than that of which I am yet aware, but the big one is done and I have stuck a fork in it.

What I enjoy is when I am fortunate to meet someone like Erik who has gone deeply into the actual how of the matter and connected the dots in such detail.

But no one has to do that I do not think, at least I didn't have to.

A wonderful synchronicity to this thread has been the discovery on my part of a recent video from Dr. Malanga who has done some impressive research on the abduction phenomena and where the summary in English has been provided by Avalon member Daughter of Time.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post589600

Dr. Malanga has great respect from several members of this forum whom I have great respect for so I take his information very seriously.

Here is a portion of what Daughter of Time posted that I found relevant to what Erik suggests, that I = God.

We are magic. We are God. We constructed the universe together.

More and more people in all sorts of fields of investigation are coming to this same conclusion.

So when someone asks me, "Is there God?"

I am always able to answer, "Yes, and I am looking at 'em and so are you."

[DeDukshyn]

This looks like a good conversation .. I'll have to try to catch up soon ...

[•Ik•]

Posted by Marin (here)
Ik- I've now read your paper, The Theory of the Origin, Evolution, and Nature of Life - a few times. The depth and breath of your research is truly fascinating. Some concepts intuitively make sense. Other models and concepts -I'll need additional time to work through. Assimilating some of these new terms and models takes time.

Regrettably, that paper is very dense and difficult to read because of its incommensurability, its axiomatic constraints, its neologisms, and its trans-disciplinary nature. However, despite 100 different revisions, it was still a challenge to explain and convince the reader of its theoretical merit. This is why I put the caveats up near the front of the paper. Namely, if Life were easy to solve, a theory of life would be simple to compile, explain, and understand. Alas, Life has arguably not been easy to solve, and hence a theory that models life would not be expected to be easy by any measure.

While I spent over 7 years working on the complete theory, I put only one-third of it into the paper. I needed to divide the paper for a couple of reasons. First, I was unable to find a home for the complete theory (as a book) in 30 different publishers and 100 different literary agents. Second, the modern day thinker thinks about the World, Universe, Life, and Reality as an assemblage of filed-specific theories—and builds a provisional Weltanschaaung from them. Still, the ad hoc theories in physics, chemistry, and biology (and every other field) become the last redoubt of the Mind when confronted with a synthetic, trans-disciplinary theory. Furthermore, unlike the current scientific theories which, in a Popperian sense, are constructed with the express purpose of being falsified—that is, these theories are, by necessity, provisional if not wrong from the get go—the complete theory (and any part thereof, i.e., life) in incapable of being falsified.

Consider this: If the final theory were not the correct picture of reality, it would not be the final theory. Written another way, if the final theory were not true, it would not be the final theory.

And yes, considering a new way of looking at the Universe—a unified, irreducible Universe (that is currently, paradoxically, disunified and reducible)—takes time. As important as time is interest, as it is easy to dismiss a unified theory by calling the theorist and theory a “kook,” “crank,” “crackpot,” or “charlatan.”

I have been unable to falsify the theory and it is the one and only complete theory that I have ever found, so I thought it would be useful to share it with humankind. Should it not be an important contribution, so be it. I gave my best shot.

In what follows, I address the points raised (and extract many of the quotes so I can get to the meat of the matter).

Posted by Marin (here)
However, having said that, there's one question I haven't been able to shake. This is in reference to a couple of comments you've shared here:

"The spookiest thing…and to wake Myself up."

AND

"The stories that I tell Myself are important….the Story of All people, All things that I have been and am."

In your paper - you highlighted:

"The central idea of this theory is that all physical reality, …. this theory arrives at an understanding of life that questions traditional beliefs and definitions."

After thinking through your paper and more importantly, some of the comments you've shared on this thread something isn't aligning.

For example:

"I am Bruce Lipton; I am Nassim Haramein; and I am gripreaper…I try to point out where I am, who I am, how I work, where I am headed, but I insist on storytelling as the basis of my understanding."

My question: Are you and I really ALL the storytellers? Are "we" really every one of them? Are we "every other person on this planet or any planet throughout the Universe"? At an intuitive level - this just doesn't "feel" right. I do "feel" we're all connected but I believe, per our own wishes, that we chose to come here and experience separation. The "illusion" of separation, that is. In doing so, I believe we all have unique experiences.

One at a time:

Posted by Marin (here)
Are you and I really ALL the storytellers? Are "we" really every one of them?

Yes. In proving that I am One, that is, there is One I, One Me, One Self, I am every last storyteller. I use the pronoun “we” to identify something as more than Me, yet the term “we” emerges from Me, is defined by Me, is directed by Me, and, as modeled in the linguigyre, is Me. In this regard, I am this sentence as much as I am this online conversation. The complete theory gives the theoretical proof.

Posted by Marin (here)
Are we "every other person on this planet or any planet throughout the Universe"?

Yes. Again, notice how I, Marin, use the term “we” to identify Myself as more than just “Me.” While this may be hard to see, understand, or accept, this is a common tool that I use to prevent Myself from identifying and knowing My Self as One. In this respect please note that I could have written,

Posted by Marin (here)
Am I "every other person on this planet or any planet throughout the Universe"?

but I did not.

Posted by Marin (here)
Your paper, by design, speaks to our "physical reality." At an intuitive level, I believe we are more than simply this physical reality. This physical experience. Far more. As multidiementional beings, we have the ability to move beyond this reality. Into higher dimensions. Can I prove that? No.

Actually, that’s what the complete theory proves, as a matter of fact. It proves that I—that is, the Self, Me—is beyond, before, after, within, without, against spacetime. In this regard, theory proves I am One Being, of Infinite dimensions; always have been; am now; always will be.

However, I designed the paper in particular to closely toe the line of the modern paradigms, respecting them but at the same time dismantling them. Being a respectful radical is not easy, as I had to contradict Myself all the way through the paper. So, in this respect, when I wrote about “physical reality,” I did so to highlight the applications of the model to, just that, the materialistic reality that scientist have come to know, love, and study.

But as a theoretician, I need to fit the evidence that shows there is much more than matter in the Universe. If I did not try to fit the immaterial things—emotions, conscience, consciousness, gender, to name but a few—then the theory would never achieve completeness.

So, when you write:

Posted by Marin (here)
As you already know, researchers, investigators and intuitives have given us some impressive clues. My best guess, these multidimensional realities operate in a different paradigm than the curent one we find ourselves in. As a result, trying to define "oneness" in the context of our current environment is something I struggle with. Please understand, my question does not directly pertain to your paper, rather the comments you've shared here on the thread.

…I studied a large amount, but not all, of this work—so-called pseudo-science, quasi-science, and mystical science—by those materialistic scientists who lift a nose up in the air to it. In order to compile the complete theory, I had to fit ALL the data. Nothing can be left out when the theory is complete.

So, do I

operate in a different paradigm than the curent one we find ourselves?

Yes. I am in two paradigms right now, much in the same way that Copernicus lived in a both an Earth-centric and Sun-centric Universe simultaneously and the same way Planck lived in a pre-quantal and quantal world.

Consider the two paradigms I inhabit:

I, Ik, have compiled the complete theory to discover and know that I am every person that has ever existed, exists now, or will ever exist. I know that I have been, am now, and will always be All in All (all dark and visible energy, all dark and visible matter, all planets, stars, moons, oceans, ecosystems, cells, senses, music, language, economy, law, knowledge, etc.). In other words, this is consistent with Me being of Infinite dimensions, everywhere at the same time, throughout modern and ancient evolution of the Universe.

I, Ik, even with the complete theory, know full well that I am just one person typing at a keyboard who will live and die, eat and drink, stumble and fall like any other schlep in the history of Homo sapiens. And I also know that the first paradigm is a struggle to understand, promulgate, and accept in this, the second paradigm.

That’s why I compiled the complete theory, a plan to provide Myself directions from one paradigm to the next. (You say you want a revolution, well, you know, we’d all love to see the plan.)

Posted by Marin (here)
If our "physical reality" is currently stuck in the third dimension...what about higher dimensions? Wouldn't the definition of "oneness" permeate all dimensions?

Yes. Being One means that I am the whole Universe. Let me repeat and rephrase in hopes that it sinks in: I am One; I am the Universe—Everywhere, everywhen, everyhow, everywhy, everywhat, everywho.

Posted by Marin (here)
"Hathors" from Tom Kenyon seems to highlight some of what I'm struggling to say.

Interconnectedness vs. Oneness

…
In our experience of ourselves through all dimensions we remain unique individuals, and the higher dimensions of our being do not obliterate our uniqueness but rather present greater opportunities for creation."

As I mentioned the two paradigms above, so too does My language—I am Tom Kenyon, writing to Myself—point out the conflict in getting me across the bridge that I, Humankind, so seek to cross.

Being One is My ultimate goal as it gives Me both Interconnectedness and Oneness simultaneously. And coming to terms with being the Paradox of who and what I am is something that I can only do from My first-person perspective.

In other words, I know that Everything, the entire Universe, is Me, that is Myself, One; yet I am still myself, interconnected to and irreducible from All that I am, One.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[•Ik•]

Posted by billyji (here)
Hello me I copied some of our words from another thread WE were answering a question.

I also believe that each person here on earth is a whole Universe.

the searching begins and ends with self.

Look at the bigger picture and see a being with love as a whole universe,

What is remarkable about Me is how despite All that I am and All that I become, I always find My Way back to Myself.

Trained as a scientist, rationalist, skeptic in the mechanistic, materialistic, and reductionistic mindset, I needed to see and find the evidence for myself.

An inspection of my intellectual evolution indicates that I seek if not demand the final theory to prove to Myself that I exist. It's all well and good for Me, as Descartes, to assert that I exist, but this is not proof.

The only way that I can prove that I exist is through theory.

And, in proving My Existence, that I = God, I have fulfilled My Faith in Myself.

Funny thing about when My Faith is validated: there's no need for it anymore. Because if what I believe is now proven true, well then, it's no longer a belief. It is a fact. It is known.

But beliefs are tough to give up; I know, because I am the beliefs themselves.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[13th Warrior]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c8UtojJT8ts

[Chester]

Sure feels good not to be alone (the voice speaking from the second half of the paradox)...

[13th Warrior]

And I now know that My Mind is One; I know that My Mind is the Mind of God.

Although the theory in a more detailed form may be found in my sig line (I am not selling anything, I am not advertising, just sharing; please ignore if disinterested or report me if offended), the distilled theory is this:

Gyres (Quanta): Igyre (Iq) → denergyre (denergon) → ombregyre (ombron) → photogyre (photon) → electrogyre (electron) → oxygyre (oxyon) → carbogyre (carbyon) → phosphogyre (phosphon) → ribogyre (ribon) → aminogyre (aminon) → genogyre (genon) → cellulogyre (cellulon) → organogyre (organon) → envirogyre (environ) → visigyre (visuon) → phonogyre (phonon) → linguigyre (linguon) → symbogyre (symbon) → numerogyre (numeron) → econogyre (econon) → lapoligyre (lapolon) → geniugyre (geniuon) → Igyre (Iq)

{The bolded parts of the flow diagram are the parts outlined in the peer-reviewed paper in Life. Please see that paper for a detailed discussion of the gyromodel, quantum, and axioms. The other parts are the whole theoretical framework from which the theory of life was extracted so that I could get part of my material published. There was no way in My Green Earth that the complete theory would have ever seen the light of day.}

So, here is what this complete theory models:

Major origins: Universe → dark energy → dark matter → visible energy → visible matter → oxidative matter → organic matter → phosphorganics → RNA → protein → DNA → cell/olfactory → organism/gustatory → ecosystem/tactility → vision → sound → speech → symbols → numbers → economics → law → knowledge → Universe

A fuller placement of the evidence:

Igyre (Iq): Me, Self, God – the Origin of the Universe
denergyre (denergon): Dark Energy, Universal Core, Consciousness
ombregyre (ombron): Dark Matter, Black Hole, Mind
photogyre (photon): Visible Energy, Star, Mind’s Eye
electrogyre (electron): Visible Matter, Planet, Electromagnetism, H
oxygyre (oxyon): Phased Matter, Moon, Water, HO
carbogyre (carbyon): Organic Matter, Oil, Carbohydrate, CHO
phosphogyre (phosphon): Phosphochemistry, Membrane, CHOP
ribogyre (ribon): RNA, Transcriptome, CHNOP
aminogyre (aminon): Protein, Proteome, CHNOPS
genogyre (genon): DNA, Gene, Genome
cellulogyre (cellulon): Cell, Sex, Olfaction
organogyre (organon): Organism, Organs, Circulation, Gustation
envirogyre (environ): Ecosystem, Civilization, Tactility
visigyre (visuon): Imagery, Gesture, Vision
phonogyre (phonon): Noise, Music, Audition
linguigyre (linguon): Language, Storytelling, Myth
symbogyre (symbon): Symbol, Alphabet, Text
numerogyre (numeron): Numbers, Mathematics, Recording
econogyre (econon): Value, Economics, Business
lapoligyre (lapolon): Law, Politics, Ethics
geniugyre (geniuon): Knowledge, Idea, Theory

Note that the Igyre/Iq (which models the Self, that is, I) is the beginning and the end of the model, and, as such, I am the Beginning and the End of the Universe.

Note also that the complete theory models the origin and evolution of Homo sapiens to present day civilization (I, Homo sapiens evolved to used the environment, adapted sight and hearing, uttered words, drew cave painting and compiled alphabets, established counting and accounting and value systems, printed and recorded laws and facts; many anthropologists, too many to count, have written about this) and simultaneously models the development of the individual reading this post (see Piaget and Erikson for the order of that stages in development of the child and maturation to adulthood).

In the End, I found that I am the Theory and Theoretician in One.

I am the Theoretician, modeling the Universe. I am the Theory, that is, the Universe that is modeled.

And now I know who and what I am. Being certain is a challenge, because I walk a fine line—certainty reeks of arrogance; yet, in knowing My own Arrogance, Vanity, and Ego, I can only but be Myself and write Truth.

So, as far as I can tell, compiling the complete theory and proving that I am One and that I am the Creation and Creator in One is Apocalypse.

But perhaps I can advise Myself otherwise.

It is this type of logic that has/will allow artificial intelligence to become self aware...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nHJkAYdT7qo