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    Default A FORCE MORE POWERFUL- A Century of Nonviolent Conflict

    A FORCE MORE POWERFUL is a two part documentary series on one of the 20th century's most important and least known stories - how nonviolent power overcame oppression and authoritarian rule. In South Africa in 1907, Mohandas Gandhi led Indian immigrants in a nonviolent fight for rights denied them by white rulers. The power that Gandhi pioneered has been used by underdogs on every continent and in every decade of the 20th century, to fight for their rights and freedom.
    EPISODE ONE
    In India in the 1930s, after Gandhi had returned from South Africa, he and his followers adopted a strategy of refusing to cooperate with British rule. Through civil disobedience and boycotts, they successfully loosened their oppressors' grip on power and set India on the path to freedom.
    In the 1960s, Gandhi's nonviolent weapons were taken up by black college students in Nashville, Tennessee. Disciplined and strictly nonviolent, they successfully desegregated Nashville's downtown lunch counters in five months, becoming a model for the entire civil rights movement.
    In 1985, a young South African named Mkhuseli Jack led a movement against the legalized discrimination known as apartheid. Their campaign of nonviolent mass action, most notably a devastating consumer boycott in the Eastern Cape province, awakened whites to the black grievances and fatally weakened business support for apartheid.
    Runtime: 77 Minutes

    https://vimeo.com/47450557

    EPISODE TWO
    In April 1940, German military forces invaded Denmark. Danish leaders adopted a strategy of "resistance disguised as collaboration"- undermining German objectives by negotiating, delaying, and obstructing Nazi demands. Underground resistance organized sabotage and strikes, and rescued all but a handful of Denmark's seven thousand Jews.
    In 1980, striking workers in Poland demanded independent unions. Using their leverage to negotiate unprecedented rights in a system where there was no power separate from the communist party, they created a union, Solidarity. Driven underground by a government crackdown in 1981, Solidarity re-emerged in 1989 as Poland's governing political party.
    In 1983, Chilean workers initiated a wave of nonviolent protests against the military dictatorship of Gen. Augusto Pinochet. Severe repression failed to stop protests, and violent opposition failed to dislodge the dictatorship- until the democratic opposition organized to defeat Pinochet in a 1988 referendum.
    Runtime: 77 Minutes

    https://vimeo.com/47810699
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    Reviewing a century often called the most violent in history, this series is the story of millions who chose to battle the forces of brutality with nonviolent weapons- and won.

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    Hello Observer1964- thanks so much for the vids- and also for bringing this very important topic up for discussion.

    Kind Reguards lookbeyond

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    Iceland did it recently after the banking scandal and I saw nothing about it on mainstream media.

    Peaceful revolution is needed worldwide.

    I'd find a link but I'm on my phone and haven't sussed it out yet.

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    Quote Posted by Kiforall (here)
    Iceland did it recently after the banking scandal and I saw nothing about it on mainstream media.

    Peaceful revolution is needed worldwide.

    I'd find a link but I'm on my phone and haven't sussed it out yet.

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    Observer1964, excellent video. this may help with a post that i just exploded on. there are so many 'ways' that 'humans' can react. some do it this way. some do it other ways. programming, (most affection to 9eagle9 here) happens to all. there are very few that can avoid it. whether you are a military man/woman, husband/wife, sister/brother, there is no way to avoid the programming, only a way to 'unprogram.' it is almost impossible to do. most of us here are working on it. this thread, is sooooooo very important to show that it can happen. thank you so much.
    warmest regards, corson

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    Videos have been deleted according to you links Observer1964.
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    Quote Posted by K.W.B (here)
    Videos have been deleted according to you links Observer1964.
    Yes i see it...
    got a mail from vimeo...Copyright Infringement‏

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    Quote Posted by Observer1964 (here)
    Quote Posted by K.W.B (here)
    Videos have been deleted according to you links Observer1964.
    Yes i see it...
    got a mail from vimeo...Copyright Infringement‏
    Well I think I found episode one on YT but can't find two yet...

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    From having spent time in psychiatric hospitals around some very.. interesting characters, I've discovered that "the state" would love for me to crack under pressure and remain in hospital for the rest of my days. Sure, I may be different to most others *at this time* but that doesn't mean I have to be incarcerated.

    I've been in hospital twice, first was a private institution (since the NHS supposedly had no beds) where they really did try to grind me down, but it didn't work for long. Second time around however, and it was a completely different, eye-opening experience. So very many people, who aren't a danger to anyone or even themselves, are locked up in those kinds of places. It has to stop. I already had a good chat with the Care Quality Commission and to quote him, he said: "You can beat these people, just don't be stupid and take your medication". It's as if he knew that those places were a bit messed up, but there was nothing he could do about it.

    Considering we are supposed to trust these people (and I did, until the Doctor threatened to cancel my tribunal, and my solicitor said she could do no such thing!!) they should be of far higher "ethical calibre", I think.

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    PBS, and I think in conjunction with the BBC, made a very good documentary regarding India, called 'India', available on Netflix, 6 parts, all well worth watching. So much about India I had no inkling about.

    But in part 5 or 6 they discuss Ghandi and Jawaharla Neru and a Moslem leader (name I dont recall) as well who all supported non violent tactics. During the separation off of Pakistan, after India won its freedom, thousands were slaughtered, both Muslims and Hindus alike as peoples were forced to move across newly formed borders. . They could not maintain their nonviolent stances. I think this separation off of Pakistan was a big mistake. Separation is separation and people find ways to make separation the stuff of war. The Sufi's were the leaders in religious and cultural integration for India... its too bad old school Muslims ended up taking the lead.

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    Default A FORCE MORE POWERFUL- From Dictatorship to democracy

    @K.W.B Thnx...
    I think the first part is the most informative anyway.

    Another very informative thing is the book
    From Dictatorship to democracy

    by Gene sharp.
    It contains a list of 198 forms of non violent actions that can be used in a non violent struggle.
    Although some claim Gene Sharp works for the CIA and his book was used Otpor/Canvas to train ppl to overthrow their government, like in Egypt.

    But to me it is like a training in non-violent karate. How you use it determens if it is a good or a bad thing. and i think it is better to know some karate just in case u need to defend something against something, like our freedom against the NWO (and the thing it is a front for).
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    But in part 5 or 6 they discuss Ghandi and Jawaharla Neru and a Moslem leader (name I dont recall) as well who all supported non violent tactics. During the separation off of Pakistan, after India won its freedom, thousands were slaughtered, both Muslims and Hindus alike as peoples were forced to move across newly formed borders. . They could not maintain their nonviolent stances. I think this separation off of Pakistan was a big mistake. Separation is separation and people find ways to make separation the stuff of war. The Sufi's were the leaders in religious and cultural integration for India... its too bad old school Muslims ended up taking the lead.
    I think there were more parties that used divide and conquer/rule technique. Not just the british had something to win, but for the british any division that could be created was welcome... and religion is so easy useable to devide ppl, and the smaller the difference in what they believe the bigger the conflict over it. I think when u let go of dogmas that have to be true, and understand that you believe becoz you lack knowledge you can start building bridge by just searching for the truth. And eventually the truth will set us free of all the devision and religious conflict.

    I am pretty convinced that we will discover that all religions are based on truth, but have distorted interpretations of what it means.
    a efficient form of lying to control large groups of supersticious (=undevelloped) ppl.

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    Default A FORCE MORE POWERFUL- The Revolution Business

    Quote Democratic change has been demanded across the Middle East. But was what seems like a spontaneous revolution actually a strategically planned event, fabricated by 'revolution consultants' long in advance?

    Revolution consultants are the worst nightmare of every regime. Srdja Popovic was a founder of the organisation 'Otpor', a revolution training school. It was instrumental in the overthrow of Slobodan Milosevic in the 1990s and has now inspired a new generation of activists. Political commentators like William Engdahl are convinced Otpor is being financed by the USA. "The people from Otpor gave us a book in which they described all their strategies", says Ezzedine Zaatour of the Tunisian uprising. That book was written by an American, Gene Sharp, and is now considered the "revolution guide book", being used by opposition movements worldwide. As Optor release their latest gadget, a resistance training computer game sponsored by American organisations, world leaders are voicing their concerns. "This is called a gentle coup!", insists Hugo Chavez.
    Offcoz anything usefull will be used by someone. It is only logic that certain forces will use these strategies to further their own agenda.
    All the more reason to get streetwise on revolution strategy.
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