Reincarnation and Soul Groups

[torti]

So, I was raised in a very religious house. Re-born Christians. I was taught from a young age, "this is evil, that is evil". And not until my early 20's, did I really start to question these things.

A lot of the things I question, make me feel torn and confused. Between what I have been taught, the fears instilled in me... and then the hope that there is more, or rather, a better, explanation of all these things. Not so confined by one belief, one religion.

It is not that I don't believe in God (or in general... a higher being), but rather our interpretation of this. We get it wrong all the time.

Anyway... I ramble...

Because of my "trained" beliefs. I have always stayed clear of things I was told were bad/evil etc. (Don't open doors, you may not be able to close)

But of late, I have been questioning Reincarnation. I have no idea where to start with this, where to look, what to trust.

A very close friend of mine told me how she went and saw someone a few years ago. He told her about some of her past lives. Who she had been, what she had done. Who in her current life, has been linked with her in a past life.

She talked of "soul groups". Of people you meet, who you click with instantly. Lovers of old, family of old, friends of old and even foes of old.

I am so intrigued by this... where do I look?

[Corncrake]

I was raised in a humanist household and was brought up to believe that humans make their own heaven and hell on earth. To a certain extent I still believe that but I have been interested in the idea of reincarnation for the past decade and read anything I can on the subject. I am certainly open to the idea but I do not have a well defined theory of how it works! There has been some fascinating research into it and for basics you could start with Ian Stevenson (http://near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html) who was one of the pioneers in this area - you will also find here of references to reincarnation and the Bible. Michael Newton - a hypnotherapist - is also highly recommended and has several interviews on Youtube (https://youtube.com/watch?v=c5zsuKG3fzc). I have read Dolores Cannon's vast output (met her too) and believe her to be a very good soul. She has helped many with her past life recession therapy but in truth find the Convoluted Universe series complicated and hard to get a grip on so would save it until you have done some ground work! Anyway there is lots of solid material out there so good luck with your research.

[deridan]

multiple explanations or actual mechanics to reincarnation may be as such.
we leave the body [as it dies], spend time within inter-incarnational-dimensions, where we reassigned, or choose a soul journey that would clear away grand-karma, or allow us better to progress towards our absolute evolved state.
but then, to each incarnation there is a distinct personality, wheather this form goes on as it is in its own journeys... like the common heavenly dimensions which say christendom would associate.... what would then be the portion that reincarnates... perhaps the 70% of our being that has to[wants to..or is trapped as some pose] 're-explore the earth', producing at its end another distinct personality from the template, the distinct going on, the template reincarnating.... so we would probably have many send-offs.({i postulate})

if you've read regression research (such as dalores cannon), one gets the distinct personalities[atleast say one for every century we here], and then the person[in the present who has been regressed],
in some cases... the present person is very much the same as one of the major past-incarnational personalities she interviews, -with some of the same personality 'distincts', as-well as some emotional blocking/fatigues as present from that other journey into which DC seeks insight into (i.e. Jesus's niece),
or very different (i.e. a woman in this incarnation trying a very different journey to one of her past lives where she was a male Essene)

if one considers wilcock for example, don't believe he is the actual incarnation of who he says he is, always cause he emphasizes the bragging-abilitive-dimension, ..but maybe more along the line of a soul development group,
but the fatigues (in emotional output dimension), cayce would have experienced, would be relieved by the role he would play as in wilcocks regular mayan-personality dimensions.

if i have to think of myself, what say ancestors in my line would call enemies, are enemies rather unwittingly to me to, & i thought i evolved in a [w]hole (goes something along the lineof not trusting doctors and seeking the mechanism in itself)

okay, regressional research as i have read it does not answer all the suppositional questions we can ask.
but there is this interesting case,
though it is a bit removed from regular incarnates such as what u'd enquire about.

in the case of "walk-ins", which have been regressed to alien and even spirit-world incarnations
in there earthly lives prior,
these have been explained [for earthly lives], as not the actual incarnate in-self,
but as lives which could be accessed,
either from it being in the global/universal[earth] soul grid,...saying through any person now, one can access any other past,({[though such a soul would have paid the price energetic-wise to access that]})
or specifically in the case of walk-ins, as a perquisite of surviving this "energy flow environment we cal earth"
they where given experience by plugging into past lives of others here. For DC, many books are dependent on a single 'walkin' who amongst others had reincarnational experiences from a mayan women who died during pregnancy in the spanish invasions, a desert dweller who experienced that 'thirst lifestyle' and another

so we are in some infinite jelly.
who knows, ...no need to accept absolutely on a level, but you can draw experience to yourself.
((as far as soul group reincarnations, had the thought privately of an expedience, and had a best friend [who i could say could be respected as best potential enemy too] who expressed the same experience of expediency in this time))
like to have that service your friend had.--those practioners are too rare {& if people start jumping for what could be seen as a gravy train, we'll have trouble separating liars from the true}

[Tarka the Duck]

A belief in rebirth/reincarnation is a central part of all the Indian traditions: you may find it helpful to look in that direction - back to the source.
Enjoy the journey!
Kathie

[DNA]

Micheal Newton's "Journey of the Soul" books are awsome. Newton hypnotizes folks so they remember the "inbetween" portions of reincarnation. When they are in heaven so to speak.

I really like Jane Roberts.
The biography of Edgar Cayce by Sidney Fitzpatrick is awesome. And so is the book Many Mansions the Edgar Cayce story of Reincarnation by Hugh Lynn Cayce

The Cayce stuff might be awesome for you because Cayce was a hard core christian, and though it may suprise some, he absolutely believed in Christ, and the archangel pantheon and this did not in any way diminish the signifigance of his teachings. On the contrary he seemed to have help from these beings.

[Tony]

Hello Torti,

So-called death.

This is from the Tibetan Buddhist point of view...it's quite colourful! Facing death and beyond is really a psychological event, it is as natural as birth, so that's ok.

What we call death is called Bardo in Tibetan, meaning gap..in between. There is the bardo experience happening all the time - it's part of our psychological make-up. We see life as one continuous event. 'This is my life'. But it's more like a cine film with individual frames, held together by karma. Karma is the glue that holds it all together, maintained be 'consciousness' at a gross level. Each moment there is a gap for a new life, but we hold on dearly to what we think we are because we are used to it. It's so familiar it seems real...!?

There are six psychological profiles for sentient beings: human, animal, hungry ghost, jealous God and God realm. These are attitudes we hold. Each has both a wisdom style and neurotic style.

There are six major bardo moments. Bardo of life, bardo of dying, bardo of after life, bardo of becoming, bardo of dream and the bardo of meditation.

Depending on the training one has done in one's life time will dictate what is recognised in the bardo states. This is why repetition of practice is so important. These bardo moments are moments one can recognise one true nature and become enlightened. Or, go to a higher realm to complete training. Or, which is what normally happens to sentient beings, we fear the bright lights and try to escape them, not being able to face the truth.

The so-called death period lasts for up to 49 days or seven weeks more or less. Most of us are driven on by karma, our neurotic style. Practitioners recognise that all projections as have “NO” reality.

The basis of these six psychological profiles are buddhas wisdoms: they are your essence. But the profiles also have a negative side. These Buddhas are represented by deities of brilliant coloured lights. In the first week after death, each deity will come towards you as a light. These are of peaceful in appearance, and will invite you to recognise the projection as your true nature. If you recognise this, you will become a buddha. At the same time a soft coloured light of our neurosis will appear, but it is inviting you to the lower realm of the negative aspect of the deity.

In the second week the deities return in their wrathful aspect: this is intense love, to prevent you from becoming distracted. If you looked up Avalokiteshvara and Mahakala they are one and the same, the peaceful side and the wrathful side. You always have a choice. That's if you know you have a choice.

After that, it's a matter of choosing a new incarnation - but again, because we practised just reacting in life, we are driven on by our self imposed karma. It is said the precious human life is as difficult to achieve as a blind turtle coming up from the bottom of the ocean once every hundred years and sticking its head through a rubber ring floating on the surface.

You can now see why reacting through emotions: fear, pride, anger, jealousy, desire and ignorance can cause us much suffering and little or no control.

What we have to see is that this so-called death process is happening all the time, and it is our consciousness that is holding this illusion together.




Tony

[AMystic3434]

Like someone said above pick up a book by Michael Newton it explains alot about reincarnation and where you go when you die. It is very interesting

[soleil]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Hello Torti,

So-called death.

This is from the Tibetan Buddhist point of view...it's quite colourful! Facing death and beyond is really a psychological event, it is as natural as birth, so that's ok.

What we call death is called Bardo in Tibetan, meaning gap..in between. There is the bardo experience happening all the time - it's part of our psychological make-up. We see life as one continuous event. 'This is my life'. But it's more like a cine film with individual frames, held together by karma. Karma is the glue that holds it all together, maintained be 'consciousness' at a gross level. Each moment there is a gap for a new life, but we hold on dearly to what we think we are because we are used to it. It's so familiar it seems real...!?

There are six psychological profiles for sentient beings: human, animal, hungry ghost, jealous God and God realm. These are attitudes we hold. Each has both a wisdom style and neurotic style.

There are six major bardo moments. Bardo of life, bardo of dying, bardo of after life, bardo of becoming, bardo of dream and the bardo of meditation.

Depending on the training one has done in one's life time will dictate what is recognised in the bardo states. This is why repetition of practice is so important. These bardo moments are moments one can recognise one true nature and become enlightened. Or, go to a higher realm to complete training. Or, which is what normally happens to sentient beings, we fear the bright lights and try to escape them, not being able to face the truth.

The so-called death period lasts for up to 49 days or seven weeks more or less. Most of us are driven on by karma, our neurotic style. Practitioners recognise that all projections as have “NO” reality.

The basis of these six psychological profiles are buddhas wisdoms: they are your essence. But the profiles also have a negative side. These Buddhas are represented by deities of brilliant coloured lights. In the first week after death, each deity will come towards you as a light. These are of peaceful in appearance, and will invite you to recognise the projection as your true nature. If you recognise this, you will become a buddha. At the same time a soft coloured light of our neurosis will appear, but it is inviting you to the lower realm of the negative aspect of the deity.

In the second week the deities return in their wrathful aspect: this is intense love, to prevent you from becoming distracted. If you looked up Avalokiteshvara and Mahakala they are one and the same, the peaceful side and the wrathful side. You always have a choice. That's if you know you have a choice.

After that, it's a matter of choosing a new incarnation - but again, because we practised just reacting in life, we are driven on by our self imposed karma. It is said the precious human life is as difficult to achieve as a blind turtle coming up from the bottom of the ocean once every hundred years and sticking its head through a rubber ring floating on the surface.

You can now see why reacting through emotions: fear, pride, anger, jealousy, desire and ignorance can cause us much suffering and little or no control.

What we have to see is that this so-called death process is happening all the time, and it is our consciousness that is holding this illusion together.




Tony

hey tony, i think i like you so much more because of this post of yours.

Gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha!!

[rgray222]

If you have not seen this it is worth watching.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7biSOzr1k

[Nenuphar]

Posted by DNA (here)
Micheal Newton's "Journey of the Soul" books are awsome. Newton hypnotizes folks so they remember the "inbetween" portions of reincarnation. When they are in heaven so to speak.

I agree, I really enjoyed reading Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton. There are *so* many interesting books out there on this subject, but these stood out to me, for some reason.

[Joe Akulis]

The reincarnation of Paul Gauguin. Way cool story. http://www.peterteekamp.com/kevins_website_page.html

[white wizard]

The newton books are a great place to start if you are a typical person

incarnating on the planet. If your different like me than you will have to

either learn to read the akashic records or have someone do it for you. In his

book he discusses soul groups and how they incarnate with you, which is typical

for most people on the planet. I unlike most people do not incarnate with my

soul group, because of my level of advancement and work.

*Things I learned from have the records read for me.

*Not everyone comes in with soul groups.

*The laws of Karma do not apply to everyone.

*If you fall in the category of a star seed or other, which there are many kinds, then newtons books probably wont help you much because you fall under different rules.

In my case being traveler/Information gatherer I can travel from this
dimension to any other after I die and incarnate, because of the work I choose to do. There fore having an Earth type soul group would hinder my progress basically I am not bound by any laws in my travels to different places, which if you fall under other or star seed may also apply to you.

[humanalien]

The bible does not teach us that we will be reincarnated
after death. The body and soul are only created once and
upon death, the body goes back to the earth and the soul
awaits judgement.

Genesis 3:19:

“In the sweat of your face shall you eat
bread, until you return unto the ground;
for out of it were you taken: for dust you
are, and unto dust shall you return.”

Notice that this verse does not say that you
will return to another body when you die.
It says that you will return to dust.

Hebrews 9:27:

"For it is appointed for men to die once
and after this comes judgment."

Paul clearly states that the soul does not
transmigrate into another living body, but
goes to await judgment.

Psalm 146:4

"His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth;
in that very day his thoughts perish."

[soleil]

humanalien, i think any bible quotes are open to interpretation. &my interpretation of them, is its bunk.

[Joe Akulis]

Ha. Yes. Who ya gonna believe, Paul, who once stood in judgement against Yeshua at his trial before the Sadducees, or Jesus himself, who said three different times that John the Baptist was the spirit of Elias/Elijah returned. Don't get me started. :-) Or you could look at the wisdom of Solomon, where it appears Shlomo belived that he received an "undefiled" body because he was already good. But how could you possibly be good yet, before you get a body, hmm? Heh heh. Fun stuff.

[Shade]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
humanalien, i think any bible quotes are open to interpretation. &my interpretation of them, is its bunk.

I agree. Wow. What an anachronism. Like serious? have I accidentally reincarnated into Godlike Forum?

[deridan]

seeker1972,
here rests the question. did Elias return from heaven, or was it a packet of him.

humanalien,
as i read Ps146 its said in the rhythm of not trusting man or their departed spirit, for help comes from One.
of Paul,or his near typology is credited the lie/truth which was indexical in putting the europeans in their rage-fantasy through now whos medium [english] we communicate
for that verse, the casting out, well it was after the cast out, when this question comes again,
what is sown where......atleast we know the body vesicle returns to dust,,,,its just i'd like to know more

for dam&ve stories, there are the alien ones, and some very interesting gnostic ones, that speak of a mirror world, those #$%@ are the ones to know, to that story any practical story may be a fabrication, s[o wha]t in a way

[shadowstalker]

But of late, I have been questioning Reincarnation. I have no idea where to start with this

LOOK to some of your so called DREAMS

[trenairio]

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[DNA]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
Ha. Yes. Who ya gonna believe, Paul, who once stood in judgement against Yeshua at his trial before the Sadducees, or Jesus himself, who said three different times that John the Baptist was the spirit of Elias/Elijah returned. Don't get me started. :-) Or you could look at the wisdom of Solomon, where it appears Shlomo belived that he received an "undefiled" body because he was already good. But how could you possibly be gpod yet, before you get a body, hmm? Heh heh. Fun stuff.

This is so well stated. Thank you 40 year old seeker.