Reincarnation and Soul Groups

[gripreaper]

THE SOUL FAMILY is a large group of beings who are connected through soul lineage with each other. Each soul has family members that are in etheric form as well as physical form. As the soul merges with the body enflamimg the heart, a signal of sound and light frequency as colour rays is sent from the chakras of the being through the environment. It is this signal that attracts one's soul family to one's being. Soul Mates, Mission Mates and Soul Karmic Relationships come into the being's environment as this call is met by other souls who energetically recognize this signal.

SOUL MATES are those that hold no karma between each other in relationship. They have only a great love and recognition for each other. These beings are in divine relationship to support each other to evolve, through holding the light and love as a mirror for each other as each opens to their higher consciousness anchoring.

SOUL KARMIC RELATIONSHIPS are brought forth into relationship for karmic clearing, and bring forgiveness and heart connection to those who have deep wounds within their lightbody. Some of these wounds may be triggered by the actions and presence of another of their soul family. These beings are in relationship to offer a mirror of old woundings that may need to be forgiven and let go of so the soul can merge into the body more deeply.

THE TWIN FLAME is a divine relationship between two souls that hold identical soul signatures within the heart . These two souls were created from the same original spark of God's love, as a sphere of souls. This sphere of souls is held in the heart of God/Goddess and is the divine relationship each soul returns to as they journey out of separation back into a state of unconditional service and love for all beings. It is the flames within each of the souls from this Sphere that merge as one when the I am Presence , master self anchors permanently into the body. At this time when full self mastery is held within all aspects of one's life, the twin flame relationship is activated. All beings then begin to receive the transmissions of light and love physically into the body from their divine partner, their twin flame. If their twin flame has chosen to embody for mission work on the Earth, this being will begin to physically connect to their twin flame in their environment. It is at this time that God /Goddess asks both souls to choose life together as the truth of the flames of God's love in a relationship of unconditional love. If both souls choose this path, their love flowers beyond all love. If they choose the path of ego, they separate until their souls can embody the love they hold with each other on the higher planes of reality

[Maunagarjana]

I would definitely recommend as others have already Dr. Michael Newton's "Journey of Souls" book. I have wanted to undergo past life/between life hypnotic regression, but I haven't got around to it yet.

I also recommend reading the Law of One books. They are channeled books, but I have found them helpful in understanding this topic.

http://llresearch.org/library/the_la...f_one_pdf.aspx


I would say look at the evidence of kids who remember in detail previous lives where the details can be verified. Stuff like this does raise the eyebrow:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SF3KqGpxXvo


Check out the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson:

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

http://www.scientificexploration.org...2_1_tucker.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/36464062/I...logy-Intersect


Here's an e-book book and also an article by Trutz Hardo:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/56200505/3...rnation-Primer

http://www.esolibris.com/articles/re...e_year_old.php


My advice: skip the Bible if you're looking for juicy bits of evidence, though as has been pointed out, Jesus called John the Baptist the return of Elijah. Most of the ancient religions of the world believed in reincarnation in some form, the most notable exceptions being the main 3 Abrahamic religions (or as I would call them Archontic religions, especially at their most fundamentalist.) I think there are indications that the Jewish Pharisees believed in reincarnation. Though how much of that was from contact with Greeks who believed in reincarnation/metempsychosis rather than interpretation of the Torah, I don't know.

[DNA]

Posted by white wizard (here)
The newton books are a great place to start if you are a typical person

incarnating on the planet. If your different like me than you will have to

either learn to read the akashic records or have someone do it for you. In his

book he discusses soul groups and how they incarnate with you, which is typical

for most people on the planet. I unlike most people do not incarnate with my

soul group, because of my level of advancement and work.

*Things I learned from have the records read for me.

*Not everyone comes in with soul groups.

*The laws of Karma do not apply to everyone.

*If you fall in the category of a star seed or other, which there are many kinds, then newtons books probably wont help you much because you fall under different rules.

In my case being traveler/Information gatherer I can travel from this
dimension to any other after I die and incarnate, because of the work I choose to do. There fore having an Earth type soul group would hinder my progress basically I am not bound by any laws in my travels to different places, which if you fall under other or star seed may also apply to you.

Maybe you could tell me what your definition of a starseed is? This term gets tossed about so loosely, I personally think folks are repeating this phrase and it probably is one of those loaded words full of different meanings.

Here is my take on starseed. It means you have incarnated on another planet at some time or another.

Here is my take if that is the case. Do you think folks from other planets are automatically better than folks from this planet? Because I don't think that is the case at all.
I think being a starseed gives you just as big of a chance at being a monster as it does of making you a saint, and more likely than not it is ussually some where in the middle of those two extremes, just like everyone else that is incarnated here.


Here also is a little phrase from Dr. Malanga on the Horus-Ra thread.

New Age movements are so dangerous–they are a straight portal for these darker forces to manifest.

They make people to compete who are the most spiritually gifted, most knowledgeable, who have more healing/psychic powers etc., and make the whole scam revolve around human ego, which becomes the source for the ego of the evil itself.

So it’s no coincidence Jesus said: do not worship pictures/idols of god and one must leave the material behind in order to follow the route to God.
The God is within.

[we-R-one]

Posted by DNA (here)
Maybe you could tell me what your definition of a starseed is? This term gets tossed about so loosely, I personally think folks are repeating this phrase and it probably is one of those loaded words full of different meanings.

Here is my take on starseed. It means you have incarnated on another planet at some time or another.

Here is my take if that is the case. Do you think folks from other planets are automatically better than folks from this planet? Because I don't think that is the case at all.
I think being a starseed gives you just as big of a chance at being a monster as it does of making you a saint, and more likely than not it is ussually some where in the middle of those two extremes, just like everyone else that is incarnated here.

A common misinterpretation, Star Seeds are not better than other folks, many are just further along in the soul evolution process. I went to great lengths on the thread below to describe who and what Star Seeds are. Why did I go through such detail? Because I want people to know that we do exist and it's not some make believe character one assigns himself out of a false sense of ego. For the short version, see my post here #17:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post556133

For the longer version, start at the beginning of thread and follow through if you truly want to understand. As always I like to reiterate, I did not read about Star Seeds and then decide to become one, I had all ready lived many of the common experiences and did not have a frame of reference to identify what had been happening to me all these years. You could consider us to be a subculture within the human race.

[humanalien]

Sometimes people try to find biblical warrant for reincarnation
in Christ's words about John the Baptist. In Matthew 17:12 Christ
says, "I tell you Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize
him." Matthew adds, "Then the disciples understood that he was speaking
to them of John the Baptist" (Mt 17:13).

Is Jesus saying that John was the reincarnation of Elijah? No. Here's the
simple reason. According to 2 Kings 2:9-18, Elijah was taken up bodily
into heaven without seeing death. Thus, he wasn't a candidate for
reincarnation because he was still in his original incarnation.

So in other words, when you die, your body decays and goes back
to mother earth or mothers womb and your soul goes to a holding
place, to await judgement.

It is my opinion, right or wrong, that people claiming to have past
lives are being deceived. It's quite possible that a demon is sharing
your body and feeding you all the wrong information.

Remember, that satan knows he he will lose his battle in heaven
again and he knows that he is going to a fiery death. It is his job
to take as many of us as he can, with him.

[we-R-one]

Posted by humanalien (here)
Sometimes people try to find biblical warrant for reincarnation
in Christ's words about John the Baptist. In Matthew 17:12 Christ
says, "I tell you Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize
him." Matthew adds, "Then the disciples understood that he was speaking
to them of John the Baptist" (Mt 17:13).

Is Jesus saying that John was the reincarnation of Elijah? No. Here's the
simple reason. According to 2 Kings 2:9-18, Elijah was taken up bodily
into heaven without seeing death. Thus, he wasn't a candidate for
reincarnation because he was still in his original incarnation.

So in other words, when you die, your body decays and goes back
to mother earth or mothers womb and your soul goes to a holding
place, to await judgement.

It is my opinion, right or wrong, that people claiming to have past
lives are being deceived. It's quite possible that a demon is sharing
your body and feeding you all the wrong information.

Remember, that satan knows he he will lose his battle in heaven
again and he knows that he is going to a fiery death. It is his job
to take as many of us as he can, with him.

You are allowed to have your opinion, but have you ever looked at the research done on reincarnation? I mean really studied it? Take a gander at this:
http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=...st-life-expert

I have spent a lot of time researching reincarnation when I had my own experience of remembering who I was. It was Dr. Walter Semkiw, above who helped assist in identifying the past life I was remembering. I've been wanting to post on here but haven't had the time. I will come back later today to offer more information.

P.S. I have met the dear soul of John The Baptist, and he is very much alive today. I should hope to get to know him better as time passes as he's a beautiful person and I'm so lucky to have had the honor of meeting him.

[white wizard]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by white wizard (here)
The newton books are a great place to start if you are a typical person

incarnating on the planet. If your different like me than you will have to

either learn to read the akashic records or have someone do it for you. In his

book he discusses soul groups and how they incarnate with you, which is typical

for most people on the planet. I unlike most people do not incarnate with my

soul group, because of my level of advancement and work.

*Things I learned from have the records read for me.

*Not everyone comes in with soul groups.

*The laws of Karma do not apply to everyone.

*If you fall in the category of a star seed or other, which there are many kinds, then newtons books probably wont help you much because you fall under different rules.

In my case being traveler/Information gatherer I can travel from this
dimension to any other after I die and incarnate, because of the work I choose to do. There fore having an Earth type soul group would hinder my progress basically I am not bound by any laws in my travels to different places, which if you fall under other or star seed may also apply to you.

Maybe you could tell me what your definition of a starseed is? This term gets tossed about so loosely, I personally think folks are repeating this phrase and it probably is one of those loaded words full of different meanings.

Here is my take on starseed. It means you have incarnated on another planet at some time or another.

Here is my take if that is the case. Do you think folks from other planets are automatically better than folks from this planet? Because I don't think that is the case at all.
I think being a starseed gives you just as big of a chance at being a monster as it does of making you a saint, and more likely than not it is ussually some where in the middle of those two extremes, just like everyone else that is incarnated here.


Here also is a little phrase from Dr. Malanga on the Horus-Ra thread.

New Age movements are so dangerous–they are a straight portal for these darker forces to manifest.

They make people to compete who are the most spiritually gifted, most knowledgeable, who have more healing/psychic powers etc., and make the whole scam revolve around human ego, which becomes the source for the ego of the evil itself.

So it’s no coincidence Jesus said: do not worship pictures/idols of god and one must leave the material behind in order to follow the route to God.
The God is within.

All souls are eternal beings and a star seed just means you are at a different point

of learning from what is normal on Earth. The term star seed helps describe

souls, which do not share the natural evolutionary cycles of the planet. The reason

it used loosely is, because your trying to describe millions of different souls from

millions of different points of learning from millions of different places in the

universe. I think you would need several books just to describe some of the

different star seeds.

My question is are you afraid of star seeds or hold some resentment towards them,

because I sense some fear and frustration in your post. You know in order to truly

overcome duality you must take a neutral stance on both good and evil pic which

one you resonate with and follow that path.

[Corncrake]

Thank you we-R-one - I have just spent a couple of hours on IISIS and reading Dr Walter Kemsaiw's remarkable input which I found very helpful. Some of the case studies I was already familier with but others by people from very different walks of life were new to me and fascinating. I realise there is so much to research here.

[DNA]

Posted by white wizard (here)
All souls are eternal beings and a star seed just means you are at a different point

of learning from what is normal on Earth. The term star seed helps describe

souls, which do not share the natural evolutionary cycles of the planet. The reason

it used loosely is, because your trying to describe millions of different souls from

millions of different points of learning from millions of different places in the

universe. I think you would need several books just to describe some of the

different star seeds.

My question is are you afraid of star seeds or hold some resentment towards them,

because I sense some fear and frustration in your post. You know in order to truly

overcome duality you must take a neutral stance on both good and evil pic which

one you resonate with and follow that path.

No I'm not afraid of them. I just think folks make false assumptions a lot of times when assuming starseeds are automatically more evolved.
I mean if you're a starseed from Marduk which is now the asteroid belt, and your basically a reincarnated refugee because your civilization blew itself up, and your fellow starseeds are continuing to do many of the same things and contributing to these problems here that led to Marduk blowing itself up, well, if that is the case then I would think folks would start off with a more apologetic tone than let's say a "I am special" tone.

[humanalien]

we-R-one:

I can only tell you what the bible says about reincarnation.
It's your choice alone, to either believe it or deny it.

[DNA]

Posted by humanalien (here)
we-R-one:

I can only tell you what the bible says about reincarnation.
It's your choice alone, to either believe it or deny it.

I don't think the belief in reincarnation goes against the belief of christ.
I think the modern bible is great for introducing folks to christ, but that exploration should continue and not be limited to documents which have been falsified over the ages.
Your relationship with christ should be a personal one, and if you feel threatened by the relationship others have, it may mean that your's is not a strong enough relationship.

[we-R-one]

Posted by humanalien (here)
The bible does not teach us that we will be reincarnated
after death. The body and soul are only created once and
upon death, the body goes back to the earth and the soul
awaits judgement.

Humanalien, let me ask you this......why should we let the bible think for us? It seems silly to me...as if we're playing the game of "Simon says....." The bible has been re-written so many times who's to say what's true and what's not? There is no such thing as judgment....why you ask? Because how would you learn and grow if bad things didn't happen to you? Imagine a planet where the stepford wife lifestyle existed....how would one learn and grown? It would be impossible and your existence would be pointless. Just because one believes in reincarnation does not mean they don't believe in God. Everyone of us is connected to God. Science shows that we are all connected to the same energy field known as Souce All That Is or God.

It is our belief systems that enslave us. Belief systems based on what?.....because someone told us we had to have that belief? Below is a quote I just wrote a few days ago in reference to the parallels of a story told and how it was mirroring the experiences here on earth. I hope you will seriously take into consideration what I'm saying. Limited perspectives are what enslave you and when you recognize and acknowledge this, only then will the walls of the false realities begin to crumble.

"Further breaking down the movie, one can see the similarities in the false realities that have been depicted in the film compared to what is happening here on Earth. Quoted from the movie trailer above, actor Ed Harris says, “We accept the reality with which we are presented”. This statement is 100% accurate and the very means by which we have been programmed. We are systematically being fed programs that dictate how we should live, act, think and feel, and we find ourselves judging others based on those same beliefs without even realizing we’re doing it; even worse, these very conceptions are based on false facts and realities that have been fed to us for generations to generations and beyond. “Preconceived misconceptions”, is a term I coined back in the summer of 10, when I truly began to understand that many of my beliefs had been based on false assumptions that had been fed to me my entire life."

Humanalien, I fear that many like yourself have fallen into the trap of....."accepting the reality with which you were presented." Listen, I was right there with you before I began to awake, I truly understand. I'm not here to beat you up or make a fun of you for believing in what you believe. This is a growing process, this is soul evolution, we've all been duped in some way or another. I can still be kind to others, do the right things and just be love; I don't need a book along with someone else's preconceived misconception to tell me how to think and neither do you. I wish you well during this awakening period- you have more power than you can imagine and you are certainly more worthy than the false assumptions a book has created. There is no such thing as "though shalt not", because it is through "though shalt" whether it be by you or another, that you have learned and grown.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Corncrake (here)
Thank you we-R-one - I have just spent a couple of hours on IISIS and reading Dr Walter Kemsaiw's remarkable input which I found very helpful. Some of the case studies I was already familier with but others by people from very different walks of life were new to me and fascinating. I realise there is so much to research here.

I know, isn't that a cool site? I have learned much from Dr. Semkiw. I can understand people not believing it....but when it happens to you, there's no doubt in your mind. What many don't realize is they're programmed from early on that the whole reincarnation thing is bunk and that only crazy people believe in it or devil worshipers......I've had my "christian" friend tell me that one, lol. Wow, I said to her....so you're calling me a devil worshiper? Doesn't sound very "christian" like behavior to me. Isn't that a form of judgment? Wait, I thought "christians" weren't suppose to judge? I suggested to her that maybe she needs to go to church more than once a week.

The PTB don't want you to understand reincarnation....why is that? Because when you understand reincarnation you understand that your consciousness, when you understand that your consciousness you understand the power you have..and the PTB can't control consciousness; they can control your mind, they can control your body, but they cannot control consciousness. And if they can't master your consciousness, they can not longer feed you the programs needed to enslave and control you, it's really that simple.

I'll post more about my reincarnation experience a little later, until then I'll leave with this story about Dr. Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon mind you. He tells the story of his near death experience. Due to his medical background he has been able to rule out all the reasons given in the past that stated people's experiences were just a part of the dying process. I mean c'mon, here's a medical professional with his own experience.....who better than a neurosurgeon to have this happen? How lucky are we for his input.

http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=knIC7jQmZkQ

https://youtube.com/watch?v=knIC7jQmZkQ

[Finefeather]

The real truth about starseeds and all the other names we label people with is just that...we like to have little boxes so we can arrange things in some kind of order so we don't get confused and...analyses can take it's course.

Every living person on this planet has lived on other planets, before this life you are in now, and it could be happening at this very moment as well. Time is a misunderstood thing. We, as Spiritual Beings are capable of multiple incarnations at the same time and even in the same family as in some cases of twins. The age of what we call the soul is determined by the number of incarnations into a 3D state...and wiser 'souls' have just mastered the process and are therefore further along the 'path' than younger 'souls'. It is exactly like going to school...when you are in grade 1 there are numerous higher grades than yours...and you don't go around cursing the higher grades because, you know you will get there as well some day. BUT...and here is the thing to keep in your head and mind...how many people have you met who are younger than you and seem to be more advanced than you, esoterically speaking? I will venture to say that everyone has met at least one, else you are just fooling yourself with your little ego. OR how many older persons have you met who you feel are still actually young souls, despite their earth age?

The biggest stumbling block in our lives is that we think we, as humans in bodies, are the be all and end all of our existence...In other words we think we are the complete package of our Being and this we are NOT. We are each a small fragment of the Higher Self which in turn is a small fragment of the human collective 'soul' or consciousness. We are NOT 'souls', we are Spiritual Beings who are individually identified by our own individual qualities...this identification is what a soul is and everyone has soul BUT no one is just a soul. Soul is the quality or consciousness of each Spiritual Being. Just as we all are identified in life by our looks and personality, so are we identified in higher realms...We say there goes John because we recognize him by his looks and we could also recognize him by his ways...his individual personality. But John is not the personality, John is presenting himself as that personality because of his upbringing and his inner soul qualities. John is a Spiritual Being and we have got into the habit of saying things like..."he is such a beautiful soul" and so we have adopted the word 'soul' as being the entity when in reality it is just the quality the individual presents.

So getting back to starseeds...you could call them more experienced, and that in itself should deserve a little respect...but certainly no worship, because the higher the Spiritual Being ascends the more it knows what a small part it is in reality, when it comes to the bigger picture, and the more it realizes just how little it really know. Anyone who claims to be better than you is missing the truth and fooling him/her self but it would be ignorant to think that there are no advanced Beings on earth to help and guide us on our journey.

Life is not some hit and miss random event, it is a planned and guided mission to conquer dense realities, we should go about this with an adventurous and joyful spirit, despite the many hard times we may go through. Many 'starseeds' come from other systems and are not part of the current human cycle. The most common system from which many of these come is the Sirius Avatar System, which is one of the headquarters of the many systems in the cosmos. Some of these have made a real hash of their life here on earth, because it is not as easy as they think it is...but most are here to help and guide...you will know them by the kind of love they present.

Unconditional love is their way and truth is their master.

Love you all
Ray

[Jackson]

Great we-R-one....

Thanks for that link.

Jackson

[humanalien]

In the style of what G.W. Bush said after 9-11,
Your either for God and all his teachings or your
against him. There is no in-between point.

You can't believe in God and reincarnation because
the bible clearly says that reincarnation does not
happen.

In my opinion, what everyone is awaking to is the
lies of satan. He will make you believe in anything
he can to win your soul.

What people are waking to are the words of mankind
and mankind is full of errors and lies. People tell you
what you want to hear to make money selling you books.

That link you wanted me to check out, i went there and the
very first link on that page, took me to amazon.com, wanting
me to buy his book. That was all i needed to know that this
guy isn't for real.

Gods word never changes but mans does. Man has you believing
that you can reincarnate, that you are a god too, you can create
your own reality with the power of your mind and all kinds of
crazy things. I have yet seen any proof of this.

These are things that satan teaches, through mankind, to drag you
down with him.

You are right though, in that the bible has been mistranslated,
falsified, books removed completely and so on but i also believe
that there is enough there to let us know God and Jesus and their
teachings. Someone is re-translating the ancient biblical text,
straight to english and i hope this translation is an accurate one.

[modwiz]

W and Jeebus. Must be in the same soul group.

[torti]

Thank you all for your posts and information. There is a lot to go through, and with my limited time online I think this will take me a while.

I do believe in God, but I am determined, not to let my fear of hell, be the sole reason to making a decision. I don't want to follow blindly. And as mentioned in some of the posts the words of the bible have been changed, adapted, and largely lost in translation.

I'm just throwing this out there, without too much thought (and totally no research), but I don't see how this can be all there is to us. I also don't see how the one being, or God, or creator can limit us to just one life. Our souls that carry on, which may come back (whether to this planet or another), in my mind can accumulate "sin". our judgement on a biblical sense, could be over multiple lives, not just the one we restrict ourselves to.

I find the bible to be an endless maze. So many things contradict themselves (bad example... but "Ask and you shall receive" and then "Thy will be done" - so which is it? Ask and I will be given, but only if you feel like it?). I also find misinterpretations, like in the beginning, how do you explain dinosaurs? They are real, they were here, we have evidence. Simple. The correct translation is an "eon", It was not "the first day" it was "the first eon". An undefined period of time. It could be a minute, or it could be 5 million years. Evolution vs Creation? Is it not the same thing? Is it not possible in an "eon" that things evolved, and then God saw this was good, and moved onto His next stage?

From when I was a child, I would spend hours sitting outside alone, I would think "there has to be more, I don't belong here". Does something in me remember a past life? Or a different planet, do I long to return to that? Was I ready to leave? How can I feel this so strongly and have nothing but questions?

I have hours and hours of reading to do, and maybe, my opinion will change, but for now, there has to be something more than just this.

[we-R-one]

Posted by humanalien (here)
You can't believe in God and reincarnation because
the bible clearly says that reincarnation does not happen.

Simon says.......c'mon....you sound like the mouthpiece from a 501(c)3 organized religion machine, you're better than that, you have meaning and purpose beyond planet earth.

Posted by humanalien (here)
What people are waking to are the words of mankind
and mankind is full of errors and lies. People tell you what you want to hear to make money selling you books.

Oh really......so tell me.....did someone not have to "buy" the bible in order to read it? Or did it miraculously fall out of the sky with a label that said :

"To humanalien, this one's on me." Love, GOD

Posted by humanalien (here)
That link you wanted me to check out, i went there and the very first link on that page, took me to amazon.com, wanting me to buy his book. That was all i needed to know that this guy isn't for real.

My first response above equally applies to this comment. So why does this rule not apply to the bible? God's selling it, and someone is profiting from it....so then can I say "this guy(God) isn't for real?" Dr. Alexander is sharing his knowledge, like most do when they have a profound experience; under your rules that would mean all books for sale must not be real. At least I can see who Dr. Alexander is, otherwise I might agree with you that he's not for real, lmao.

Posted by humanalien (here)
Gods word never changes but mans does. Man has you believing that you can reincarnate, that you are a god too, you can create
your own reality with the power of your mind and all kinds of crazy things. I have yet seen any proof of this........

God's word changes all the time depending on who's dictating the interpretation or what book you read.

Science will show you that you can create your own reality. There are studies out there that can demonstrate this; though this concept is solid for me as I've witnessed the creation of my own reality through personal experiences, so I don't need to see a study to know that this is true. You will never see proof of this yourself because your belief system doesn't allow for this to happen. Remember, just because you can't "see" something does not mean it doesn't exist. For example, do you dream humanalien at night when you go to sleep? Prove it!

Much love to you humanalien, I appreciate your dialogue.

[Joe Akulis]

We-R, it looks like finefeather may have given you another tidbit to help with your question about the Sirius lightbulb. Also, doesn't our sun have some kind of elliptical shared orbit with Sirius?

Anyway, I also want to thank humanalien for contributing to this thread and speaking your mind. It may seem like your comments antagonize a lot of other avalonians, but it is good practice for all of us, to continue debates like this. You currently hold one particular set of beliefs, other avalonians have other beliefs. The thing I will always be grateful to Bill Ryan and everyone who manages this website for, is that we all have an outlet where we can release some of the dialogue. It is so hard to learn or believe in things very strongly and never have anyone in our lives who takes the least bit of interest in things that we are often absorbed in so deeply. Project Avalon makes it easier for my friends and relatives to tolerate me because I'm not always as bottled up and frustrated at not having any avenue of discussion about all these favorite interests like the one in this thread. It makes it easier to just live and let live, and let the other people in my life walk their own paths, knowing that there is a place where there are lots of other people who are all as deeply interested in the same thing I am: talking about who we are, what we are, what this is all about. I could do, and have done that all night long, around a campfire.

One of my favorite parts in the bible was when Jesus asked people "Who do people say I am?" And they all started guessing about past dead (or bodily ascended) people, like Elijah, past priests, stuff like that. Modern catholic priests don't even realize what was going on in this passage, in my opinion. They were all making guesses about who Jesus was in a past life. The reason Elijah/Elias comes up so often in situations like that is because of the prophecy toward the end of the old testament book of Malachi. (Wish I had a nickel for everytime I brought this up.) Most people back then were well aware of the prediction that the coming of the Messiah would be preceded by the return of Elias/Elijah. And since Jesus never openly claimed to be the messiah, people wondered if he was the precursor to the messiah, sometimes. It helps to illustrate the understanding people had of reincarnation back then. It's also why Yeshua's desciples would see a blind man in the street and then ask their master what that person did that he would be born blind. That was an inquiry into whether it was some kind of karmic repercussion that was dictating a blindness for this person, this time around. They knew more about reincarnation back then than most modern Christians are allowed to learn, thanks to the Romans and the early church fathers who decided to stamp out those beliefs from the machiavellian version of the church that they were forming. Karmic repurcussions were also understood by Solomon in the old testament. It's why he said "however, being good, I came into a body undefiled." He was glad he had no serious karma to face, which can sometimes lead a person to choose a more difficult life for themselves via physical defects, as it sometimes indicates a desire to learn a lesson from that perspective. Same thing Yeshua's followers were curious about, since they knew he had the ability to tell them the answers to mysteries like that.