A Soul Cannot Be Captured

[DNA]

So I'm reading the Horus-Ra thread by Houman and folks are worried about something termed a soul harvester. This is explained as a machine that tricks folks into walking into a tunnel of light when they die.

And then I'm reading the Can a soul be captured thread by Pieneal and it's pretty much the same question. So, I'm just going to state I don't think this is the case. I've heard the John Lear stuff, I've heard the L Ron Hubbard stuff, and there is just no way in hell I'm buying that.

I think this is important to addresse because though I think there is a energetic conspiracy of sorts involved with siphoning our being this does not extend to capturing our immortal soul.
I think it is hard enough to deal with the dark parasitic nature of our universe: we need to know that our immortal souls are protected by a higher more powerfull force than the dark.




The Taittiriya Upanishad describes the five affected bodies with which our untouchable immortal soul resides.


1. Anna Maya Kosha: The body made of physical matter

2. Prana Maya Kosha: The body made of vital energy

3. Mano Maya Kosha: The body of thought energy

4. Vijnana Maya Kosha: The body of higher intelligence

5. Ananda Maya Kosha: The body of mystical awareness





Now, though I don't believe in a soul harvester that sucks down our soul if we let's say walk into the light tunnel upon death, let me clarify that I absolutely think there are mechanisms in place that feed on the residuals of our soul.

It is my belief that this feeding takes place on these extra energy bodies that are associated with our soul, and that these extra energy bodies, though folks are a tad oblivious to them are not the same thing as the soul.
As a matter of fact these aspects atrophy with age and neglect, and in fact die and disintergrate with the body upon death.
I just want to reiterate that the energy bodies are not part of the immortal soul.
They are part of the mortal coil, and they are going to die.

This small but very important difference is very significant to me. And to the point of this thread I think.

Edgar Cayce and many others told of the fact that we are multidimensional beings, and it is to this I am pointing.
It may very well be the case that we are indeed stuck in a matrix of sorts, and that the reason for our limited awareness and atrophied energy bodies is the result of organized forces feeding upon them.


I find this intriguing to no end because of a powerfull vision I once had.
In the vision I had actualized momentarilly one of my atrophied energy bodies.

Which one I do not know, all I know is that when I looked from the eyes of this body I saw not the world we know but a structureless flat plane, a few rolling hills.
And in this world I saw fields of human sized coccoons with humans inside, not physical bodies, but the energy bodies that apparrantly are in fact multidimensional and are kind of in a vegatative state.

And this is the freaky thing, a being was acting as a worker or harvester of sorts, and I described it as a stick man.
The being looked like a humanoid version of the walking stick insect. This is not to far off from what the Horus Ra being was described as looking.
I posted this on a thread here on June 13th 2011
The Horus Ra thread was started Feb 18th 2012
I obviously was not influenced by this thread when I wrote about the experience.
A Brief Multidimensional Encounter


It is my belief that there may in fact be multiple forces acting in accord so to speak.
A different force for each energy body.
A different tactic or manuever for each different vibration of the energy body.
A multi-pronged attack.





I think the depections Dr. Malanga displays are unnerving to say the least.
But just as unnerving is the idea of the shadow being.
And more pervasive and more inclusive in my opinion is this pantheon of parasites headed by the arch-parasite if you will, the demiurge.
It is this force which propels and regulates the forces who wish to by-pass reincarnation and escape the natural order of the universe.

I'm sure many beings of many different races through out our galaxy and then some have joined it.
As such we can get many different forms for which we attribute the negative race of aliens perpetuating parasitism on our race, but in reality they all share this same shadow master.

Dr. Malanga stated
So, the transdimensional form is Horus, the dark entity within is Ra. It is in actuality nothing more than a black shadow or dot


I find this intriguing to no end. Dr. Malanga further contends that

Ra is a dark entity coming from another Universe, a universe archetypally situated behind our universe. There is dark out there, no physical bodies, no light, no love, no souls. This Ra entity places implants on the tailbone, below the sacrum, from where he hangs on to the abductee’s body, parasiting the persona and performing a perverse type of mind control. Ra may come and go to his liking.


This stuff blows me away, when I was reading the Wendelle Steven's book "UFO CONTACT FROM IARGA" I was blown away when the contactee asked if Jesus in fact existed the Iargans replied of course and gave affirmation to him being a powerfull force for good. When the contact asked if satan existed the Iargan replied affirmative, it was synomous with what we term black holes.

This served as confirmation of sorts because I had an experience with a shadow creature that I knew was no mere ghost.
The shadow creature was of human form, but make no mistake, it could have been reptillian, a grey, a Sirian or whatever.
I did not know then what I know now, but knew the connection it had to me was in my base chalkra area, and that it in my opinion fed on sexual energy.
This corresponds with what Dr. Malanga states above when he states

This Ra entity places implants on the tailbone, below the sacrum


Here is the post where I mention this, again, this post is from July 8th 2011, so again, I was not influenced by Horus-Ra thread which was created Feb 18th 2012

Shadow Beings Attracted to Human Sexual Energy?




It is my belief that souls who do not enter the tunnel of light upon death become hungry ghosts. Bill Ryan mentions these hungry ghosts here HITCHHIKERS (a sort of partial possession) - and how to handle them. If you do not cross over into the tunnel of light, your energy body is going to die, and when that happens you will have no choice but to feed off of the energy bodies of the living.


Entering the tunnel of light has always been termed a enjoyable experience by those who return and tell of the experience, as is the case here with Pam Reynolds. This is the best documented NDE of all time in my experience and helps to illustrate the good in crossing over.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k

It is my belief that if you do not cross over and in turn become one of these hungry ghosts, you are then more at risk of being recruited by the Demiurge, and basically turned into a shadow being.
I think we are all here to learn through the natural order of reincarnation, and as such we have folks watching out for us that are yes, more powerfull than the demiurge.

I do not think we need to fear the light upon death, it is there to guide us, to embrace us and to welcome us.

[Mike]

great post DNA!


i think it comes down to semantics, really. 'soul' is used as such an all-encompassing word, but the subtle levels of human existence are much more numerous than we've ever imagined imho. i think that confusion reigns when discussing energy vampirism and things like that because we're dealing with countless bits of phenomena, some of which that can be manipulated by malevolent outer forces and some that can't.

i've no doubt that manipulation occurs; but the soul, or the essence of a sentient being, in my opinion, cannot be tampered with or touched. one may say it is simply wishful thinking on my part, and they would have a point. but i could say in return that the soul-capture hypothesis sounds bloody ridiculous, and i'd have a point too

[Tony]

I totally agree A SOUL CANNOT BE CAPTURED!

That thread was in fact started by Bill, who took my comments off Kerry's thread, where I was asking ... How can a soul be captured, if it does not exist, as a separate entity? or something like that...

[deridan]

haven't read your excellent post yet, though only reason i'd discard the concept is because you can only actively worry or meditate about it for a limited time, and if after that you've made the conclusion that it can be captured,...you doing a lot of harm to yourself, you'd die decades later, but with that subliminal programming you've done or accepted on yourself.....well not worth it
besides if u meditate you say something like i 've made these alliances, can't believe these wouldn't shift heaven & el for that

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Thank you DNA, i dont believe it can be captured either.

Can i start by stating one very definite thing. Whats the use of worrying about something you have no control over ? none.

Our body creates ll sorts of eminations based on our interactive energy. We are like walking lolly pops withall sorts of flavours. The ingredients are generally called " emotions " . Your energy emination will attract whatever likes your flavour.

The saying " like attracts like " kicks in here. Electromagnetic microfigurations embedded within frequency eminations have a magnetic effect on other energies. " You are what you eat "

So, whilst you are alive this what you are subject to. So take responsability for your thoughts and have a much better time of it.

After we die we are so relaxed our soul goes back to an un influenced state, ie not influenced by our personality. It goes home automatically. If you think an alien race can over ride the creator of infinite intelligence you may need to understand what infinite intelligence means first.

When we die our soul goes home. I may roam for years re experiencing things it wished to solve because it is in a state where it can go and learn. Where that takes you cold be anywhere/thing.

Do not fear death, do not fear the purity of the soul. Harvesting souls is done by a decision you make whilst alive to be lead by fear therefore anchoring you into a repeated cycle till you get it. Thats re incarnation into dimentional construct.,

Your mission whilst alive is to break free of this by working out your karma, then deciding on who you are by Knowing Thy Self. Your soul is then " guided *" where to go once you have re configured your dna matrix whilst alive.

:-)

Save your self, wake up, look out side and see its just you looking back into your self

Hugs

Naniu

[gooty64]

Well, I think they can capture our attention but, they can not capture our soul-our immortal soul.

[Finefeather]

Hi All
Initially I did not want to post on this subject because it is a difficult one to try and convince the casual reader of. I need to say right from the outset that this is a difficult subject to briefly describe or do justice to in a forum post and whilst I will endeavor to be as accurate as possible, and choose my words with care, this is but a grain of sand in the magnificence of the true nature of the Soul. I understand that many will question this post, but if you are weary just leave it and move on. I make no claims for it's authenticity...you can decide for yourself. The workings of the inner planes are difficult to grasp but I can at least lay down a preliminary statement here in this regard and you can do the meditation and verification yourself.

To answer this question and have just a glimmer of understand this we need to first take a look at what a Soul is. There are few who can truly grasp this entirely because the Soul is the heart of the cosmic being we are trying to describe, and...most have not even come close to identifying the very source of their Being. We love to think that we are at the verge of understanding who we really are. We read books where every second one talks of cracking the code to some mystery...but we are far, very far, from understanding the real miracle of life.
I have heard this word, Soul, used in so many ways that we have actually lost the real meaning of it. In fact, generally speaking, I think we have never really ever used or understood this word correctly.

So to answer this objectively, and loose the emotional aspect, i just need to take you on a little journey before we can make statements about whether the Soul can be captured or not, sorry this may be a little technical but we need to just get through this first.

Everything that exists in the manifested universe or entire creation, be it physical, emotional or mental has 2 basic components, and 1 resultant outcome of the merging or interaction of the 2 basic components. Like if we mix sugar with water we create a sweet drink. We identify this creation by noticing that it is watery and sweet ...so it's quality would be sweet-water to us. This sweet drink can itself be the basic 1st component for yet another creation, if we add another 2nd component...in which case we would end up with another different creation or manifestation. So, in this way, and in a myriad of permutations, the entire universe and everything that exists is created...there is not one thing which does not follow this law. It is the basic law of creation. It is mentioned in every religion and every esoteric writing that exists. It is know as the Trinity in some writings. It is impossible to create anything out of only one component. Even the atom, which they tell us is a basic unit of matter consists of a dense central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of negatively charged electrons. And if that does not convince you lets have a last look at what quantum physics tells us. They talk of a particle which has "self energy' because it has a charge which could be positive or negative. So if we take a basic particle we still see 2 components in it. Now this quantum particle is either off or on. One moment it is and the next moment it is'nt. This off state of a particle is the state at which singularity occurs and this takes place out of space-time , and so this basic particle is existent for one moment and non-existent in another. This does not mean that the particle does not exist anymore but merely that it has now become a probability, and it's next appearance depends on the will of it's creator or observer. But the moment the particle exists it has a charge...which means it has 2 components, energy(from the creator-will) and mass(form) and what ever its charge is is it's 3rd aspect or resultant quality...or Soul. It has taken on a quality which we can identify it by...and so all of its possibilities and probabilities are based on it's qualities...it's Soul. This is the basis of duality. But, something or someone must have initiated this process and given it the will or command or thought to be what it is. This something or someone is the Spiritual Entity or Monad. This is the singularity or the ONE many think they understand. From this ONE all of manifested creation has taken on some quality and this is termed Soul. So we can have, the Universal Soul, The World Soul, and the Souls of individualized Spiritual Beings. This combined quality or Soul, which is the consciousness of the ONE is what everything in existence is adding to every time we have an experience...and remember everything we experience is a creation. We are creating continually...And I must add here now that we have not reached the human level yet. You should also note clearly here the real truth in the reasoning that we are all ONE from the same source.

From the first moment that Soul was created...and it was the very first thing...one significant event took place, which we call Consciousness...in other words the ONE became aware of itself because it could identify itself based on it's quality. Soul is therefore consciousness because we can only be conscious of something if something exists, if nothing existed there would be no consciousness and hence no Soul and so a Spiritual Being is only conscious because of the Soul which was created by it in the infinite void which we call matter or form. Strictly speaking there is no such thing as matter and form is by far a more correct word to use.
So to sum this up We are Spiritual Beings who have Consciousness and form...or we could say we are Spirits who have Soul and Form. Remember we are not at the physical human level yet.

Now...the most important thing to note is that this aspect which we call Soul, does not exist outside or separate from the one that creates...this is not possible because Soul is a creation and therefore an effect not a cause...Soul cannot create, but it can be a catalyst to create...and we have seen, above, that everything that exists consists of 2 components and 1 outcome, this outcome is the Soul Aspect of a Spiritual Being. So it is technically incorrect to state that you are a Soul...but you certainly have Soul just in the same way as if you say "hey man that dude's got soul" The other important thing we should get out of this is that we cannot exist as a creation without Soul. The only time Soul will cease to be will be at the end of the great cycle after the in breath of the ONE. But remember consciousness is one thing and knowing is something else...and it is that 'knower' or 'causer' who is the real us...the real us is the ONE Monad which has created consciousness to identify itself...but once again I must remind you that this 'knower' I am addressing here is not the same 'knower' we may think of with our conscious 3D earthly mind... this 3D mind is the one who thinks he knows...as apposed to knowing he knows that he knows (I AM...I AM THAT...I AM THAT I AM)...and does not yet, in most cases, fully know that it knows because it has not yet achieved full ascension as in the case of some Higher ascended Beings.

Now we can move on to the physical 3D world we live in.

The 3D body/mind mechanism, which is collectively known as the Personality, is housed in what is known as a physical permanent atom which is situated at the lower chakra (where Kundalini slumbers) in our etheric bodies and is a temporary creation for gathering experience whilst in incarnation in a 3D state. When the body is used up this permanent atom ceases to be and the experiences (consciousness) are retained in the higher mind/form creation as we saw above, so the Soul of the Higher Being is increased and hence the Soul of the ONE creator is increased. You may have wondered sometimes why you can remember some things and not others in your life...well this is to do with this temporary physical atom which we create for our current mission on earth and we only store memory of important stuff and things we need for our mission, the rest is noise as they say.

The Soul qualities which each individualized Spiritual Being possesses have been accumulated and refined and molded and perfected over millions of years of incarnations and lives in different worlds and different kinds of bodies ... But when we incarnate into a body a strange thing happens to most of us. The Soul aspect is difficult to bring through into this density because of the immaturity of the body mind construct. The permanent atom which is created is of such a nature that the current normal configuration does not allow the higher aspect of Soul and Mind to fully take control of the physical body/mind so it is only partially in control and thus only partially present and so we are usually only partially enlightened. This permanent physical atom is the equivalent of the quantum particle and is the reason why we cannot remember other lives etc and as we know in science atoms have a thing called the 'ring pass not' which is determined by the state of the proton. Radium, for example, radiates particles and can be termed an enlightened element. Humans are exactly the same, and this is also the proof that enlightenment comes from within. You cannot gain enlightenment from the outside...enlightenment is an inside-out process not a outside-in process. So the more enlightened you become the greater is your ring pass not...this is the source of your aura, and radiation of a human is seen in the halo we see depicted in some images of Christ and other more advanced enlightened Beings. This is the Soul quality which is displayed in advanced Beings. If you are clairvoyant you can see the state of the enlightenment of a human by the aura emanations.
Now...when we are in incarnation we build up an identity as well, just as the higher Spiritual Entity does but on the physical plane we call this the Personality and it consists of the body, inherited from the parents, the mind which is initially animal in nature with all its instincts and survival tools, and our upbringing, together with the amount of higher soul qualities which is managing to 'get through' with this body mind construct. So we cannot remember who we are and where we come from and our upbringing seems to dictate and sculpture our personalities. This continues and as the Incarnating entity becomes wiser, or enlightened, due to many lives, and thus more experienced, the amount of higher soul quality increases with each incarnation until such time that you can start remembering more and your life starts to become more enlightened until one day in the future we will have altered the body/mind construct to such an extent that the true Spiritual Being can walk the face of the earth in full Spiritual glory. This is our goal.

So from this we can deduct that on a physical level it would be quite easy to manipulate the temporary personality if done at the right point in a persons life. We can also see clearly that people can be easily psychologically controlled by the use of drugs or an array of cleverly designed devices and means for mental and emotional distortion. These means can be administered knowingly and willingly or by force or by clever illusions and glamor depending on the state of the enlightenment of the person and his/her will. You can kill a human, change his mind because of his/her own ignorance, manipulate and control his/her mind to such an extent that it would appear as if the person is a walking zombie. Then we should not forget all the things the personality can do to itself because of emotional and mental abnormality and distortion. To the Higher Spiritual Being this is all part of the game and it knows the many pitfalls in life and at the very most any life failure would be a disappointment for the Spiritual Being...but certainly no disaster.

So I can conclude by stating an esoteric fact that the Soul of the Spiritual Being is an integral part of it's Being and there is just no way that anyone can capture or harm or manipulate or change or alter it in any way, because it would be a bit like trying to beat the green out of green. Each individual Spiritual Being's Soul aspect is unique to it and has been created from millions of years of existence. When we enter or visit the inner planes in our sleep state or in advanced out of body states we identify one another by the beauty of each Beings Soul and let me tell you it is a truly magnificent sight to behold.

When we start becoming spiritually aware the first thing we need to make sure we get in order is our ability to protect our self from external material forces whose agenda is in direct conflict with ours. These material forces arrest the march of evolution...but they are as much a part of the ONE as any other Being and when you have the opportunity to witness their identity in the higher planes you will see the glory of the ONE in the same way...they are our brothers and sisters.

Unconditional Love is the key to world peace and the brotherhood of man is a fact.

Love to all
Ray

[deridan]

i've just read something on souls, from convoluted universe one,
from a soul who from a previous karmic existence in which they did not appreciate there soul, getting in one existence a robot body, where for purposes of getting more than the programmed outputs from the robots, soul fragments were imparted into the soul,
when these robots wanted the closeness of humans experienced,
& having there own bodies be the prison,
sad stuff

there are other things to worry about, (& since no-one here has started worrying about it i won't tell either)

[DNA]

Posted by deridan (here)
i've just read something on souls, from convoluted universe one,
from a soul who from a previous karmic existence in which they did not appreciate there soul, getting in one existence a robot body, where for purposes of getting more than the programmed outputs from the robots, soul fragments were imparted into the soul,
when these robots wanted the closeness of humans experienced,
& having there own bodies be the prison,
sad stuff

there are other things to worry about, (& since no-one here has started worrying about it i won't tell either)

I'm guessing the idea of Chi and subtle energy bodies of which I was alluding in the first entry here were a tad too esoteric when the movie the Matrix came out. That movie was amazing, and when it came out, I knew what they meant when they were using the metaphor of heat. I knew they were alluding to the subtle energy bodies of Chi/Ki in general. After all, if a non-sentient life form wanted to experience life, it wouldn't be heat these folks would need, but subtle energy bodies. And the only way to trap a soul,,,,really trap a soul, is to keep it in the body. This would keep the subtle energy bodies vital and the Chi flowing, if a non-sentient life form were in fact trying to experience reality.

Hell, you could go a step further and say this is what a discarnate spirit would want to do if it wanted to live forever and by so doing by-pass the reincarntiaonal nature of the universe.
I don't like to dwell on the alien presense.
Not on the negative aspect of it, but I concede that there may in fact be a parasitism going on in terms of by-passing reincarnational nature.

We have established to a certain degree that if you don't want to go into the tunnel of light you don't have to.
It's hard for folks to concieve of a society where the technological innovations have included and are aware of spiritual realities.
Imagine if as member of such a society, if you had the choice upon death to enter into a technological innovation, a innovation resembling a sentient life form, but in fact robotic in nature.

Such a robot may be synthetic, but of organic material, and when push comes to shove, powered by a unique power source.
I leave the particulars up to you, but I have often speculated as to why cattle mutilations and the like are kept alive while the mutilation process is taking place.
The only logical reason in my opinion is because there is something being harvested along with the biological components, and in fact, these biological components may act as conduits for what is really important.

[DNA]

Posted by Chinaski (here)


i think it comes down to semantics, really. 'soul' is used as such an all-encompassing word, but the subtle levels of human existence are much more numerous than we've ever imagined imho. i think that confusion reigns when discussing energy vampirism and things like that because we're dealing with countless bits of phenomena, some of which that can be manipulated by malevolent outer forces and some that can't.

I think it comes down to semantics too at times. But there are folks who take this line of thinking that the light at the end of the tunnel upon death is a trap. Here is a snippet from the book "war in heaven" by Kyle Griffith. In it, it states that upon death folks are tricked into going into the light at the end of the tunnel by supposed celestial religious figuires and or recently deceased family members.

I have had folks throw this work at me, and use it to further this argument that the light seen at the end of the tunnel upon death is a trap of sorts, and I would just like to state that I think nothing could be further than the truth.

In my experience and or correlation it is those who do not enter the tunnel of light that end up with negative associations.

War in Heaven and The Theocrats
Having introduced the major entities: souls, those who manipulate them, and the technology for doing so, we need to develop these concepts much further. This is as good a place as any to refer to the groundbreaking visionary work of Kyle Griffith, found in his book War in Heaven (1988).

As a physical framework, Griffith speaks of "astral matter" that has an atomic and subatomic particle structure resembling that of physical matter, but possessing much less mass than the physical counterpart. Although the mass ratios among the various astral subatomic particles is the same as that of the physical ones, all have much less absolute mass than physical electrons.

Astral subatomic particles have gravitational properties that resemble but do not interact with the gravitation of physical particles. Likewise there is astral energy that does not interact with physical systems.

There is however one very important exception to this general lack of interaction, and this actually is the basis of "the secret of life": Astral matter forms complex organic molecules just as physical matter does, and their respective chemical bonds have similar energy levels and photon frequencies associated with them. This allows for resonance and chemical bonding between physical and astral matter. It is the combined molecular system that exhibits the basic characteristics of "life", such as irritability and the ability to reproduce.

This is how astral matter and the soul, which is constructed of astral matter, become involved in the reduplication of DNA and many aspects of cell metabolism.

The bonding provides a pathway by which some of the cell's metabolic energy can be converted into astral energy that feeds the soul, powering its various functions, and providing for regeneration of its astral matter, which is then used to perform cellular growth and repairs.

Death is caused by breaking the bonds between physical and astral matter.

The soul spoken of here is a primitive analog of the physical body. It is alive, but it is not sentient. It has a nervous system but not a mind. Griffith calls this the somatic soul. The "true" soul is the astral soul.

The astral soul is a body of astral matter linked to the somatic soul's nervous system by the famous silver cord. This is structured like a segment of plant root with feeder roots at both ends, tapping into the two souls' nervous systems.

Energy flowing from the body into the somatic soul and through the silver cord to the astral soul is the astral soul's only truly efficient source of nourishment.

When the body dies, the somatic soul decomposes. The astral soul does not, but it loses its best source of energy.

A new somatic soul is created during the embryological development of every new human being.

Griffith provides a complicated discussion of various methods of reincarnation, involving ways in which the astral soul connects, and interactions with the mother's astral soul. Although quite interesting, this is beyond the scope of our page.

What is important for us here is this: the astral soul (or spirit) normally receives its energy from the living physical body and must reincarnate within ten to fifty years in order to revitalize itself. If it does not accomplish this, it faces illness, insanity, and death.

However there are many drawbacks to reincarnation also: the chance of encountering hidden body flaws, poor earthly environments, birth traumas, and so forth.

Some spirits are unwilling to take these chances. They take a different, evil, and immoral path to replenishing themselves: cannibalism. They are able to use telepathic powers to "hypnotize" spirits who then allow them to attach their own silver cord to them, just as though they were the somatic soul of an infant. By this means they can draw out enough energy to sustain themselves, but the process destroys the other spirit.

In War in Heaven, the spirits that do this are termed Theocrats, probably because for long millennia the vehicle they have used to capture and destroy weaker spirits has been religion. The Theocrats obtain victims by posing as gods and persuading religious believers to come to them voluntarily after death thinking they are entering "eternal bliss in Heaven".

[Deega]

Thanks DNA for this wonderful Tread, I have one comment that make me think that there might be something to ''soul captured'' and I hope that I'm wrong in my belief.

I have read Michael Newton works and a few of his videos, I have read different other authors on the matter and still I have interrogation!

My understanding is that we have been created by an advanced race of beings who came to Earth thousand of years ago.

I have read the work of Anton Park where he posits that advanced beings (Gina_Abul) from Orion, Sirius, other came to Earth escaping a war raging in their Constellation. And this particular beings were our creators.

If (?) we were created by an extraterrestrial advanced beings, and as you say, we passes through a tunnel at death, would you see this as a programmed migration from living to dying and on...?, a circular cycle (programmed by our creators) we can't escape..?

And if you accept this concept, would you view this also as ''soul caption''... somehow?

I have read another author who was able through meditation, had access to the aether (other world) where he experience visiting the tunnel, visit other venue than the tunnel, and the particular one that he likes more was getting one consciousness on a ''golden light'', where he felt that was one much nearer than what we were taught to believe as ''paradise'' (at least when I was young), have you ever had the pleasure of testing that..., in your meditation?

All the best to you.

[seah]

"semantics" does make it more difficult to navigate through these topics, still we each must find ways to convey what we discover is our current understanding of things, because there is always knew learning that is required, no belief should ever be so hardwired that it cannot be reexamined. My understanding of what a soul is has changed over time.
Sallustitus, in “About the gods and the world” says: “of souls, some are rational and immortal some are irrational and mortal." and if that alone was the way of things, how simple the terrain would be.

[greybeard]

If the mystics--enlightened are to be believed, and I do, there is only One.
Eckhart Tolle who does help/advise people in duality some times will speak from a non dual position as in this quote "There was never anyone there to do anything to you"

We are the dreamer in the the dream--Maya --illusion --call it what you will.

The mind complicates but in absolute reality there is only "One without a second" --Only Self as in "Self realisation/ enlightenment".

So what you are is eternal and completely safe.
All the rest is story telling--dream time.

Very real --its meant to be.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

[Mod hat on]

I changed the title of this thread (that was started back in 2012) so it's in the form of a question, to encourage open discussion. I also moved it to the 'Spirituality' section, where I think it belongs.

For the record, it's my personal certainty that a soul certainly CAN be captured, but it may depend on exactly what 'captured' means. A soul can have all kinds of interesting (and sometimes dramatic) things happen to it, for sure, but it can never be actually destroyed... or permanently harmed.

[greybeard]

I think you would have to define what is meant by the word soul.
Mooji and other non-duality--neo-advaita teachers are uniform and clear.
Things may appear to happen to what you think is your core being but in reality it is not so.
The enlightened know otherwise.
Of course the belief depends on what is regularly read.--can leads to the way you interoperate experiences.
Anything that comes and goes, experiences, --impermanent-- is not what you are.
You witness these experiences happening to your body/persona, creating emotions and pain or pleasure but the witness is unaffected.

Chris

[Peace of Mind]

The dead tells no tales. How can such information be gained when the experience of death is not only personal… but unexplored by the living? If a person regains consciousness from a “supposed” death…how can they ever be proven to have ever been dead?

Since this can’t actually be answered…how does anyone know about something(anything) harvesting souls, after death?
I’m also interested in knowing how the” experiencer of death” not only escaped from being harvested…they somehow came back to give testimony…without evidence. I'm most intrigue by that. Without that bit of information...I can only view this theory as fear mongering, accompanied with more conditioning tactics? I wouldn’t worry or concern myself with this, imo, what truly matters is what happens to your soul now…as you still have control over it. Make the best of your current situation to ensure the soul can deal with any situation later. Don’t let ill-conceived ideologies weaken it by placing it in a state of despair and insecurity.

Peace

[DNA]

Posted by Deega (here)
Thanks DNA for this wonderful Tread, I have one comment that make me think that there might be something to ''soul captured'' and I hope that I'm wrong in my belief.

I have read Michael Newton works and a few of his videos, I have read different other authors on the matter and still I have interrogation!

My understanding is that we have been created by an advanced race of beings who came to Earth thousand of years ago.

I have read the work of Anton Park where he posits that advanced beings (Gina_Abul) from Orion, Sirius, other came to Earth escaping a war raging in their Constellation. And this particular beings were our creators.

Hi Deega
First off let me apologize for this late response. Back when you had made this comment my six month old daughter began suffering from grand mall seizures. It was super scary myself and my wife were spending a lot of time either dealing with medical situations and or staring into our daughter's eyes looking for any signs of what was happening. These seizures were super scary, she would stop breathing. Anyway she is fine now and we even stopped the medication. Turns out my mom had this when she was a baby as well.

Anyway enough of that.
I'm obviously right there with you on Michael Newton.
I've not read the Anton Park stuff, but it sounds a lot like the Robert Morningsky "terra papers".
And of course this all is plausible and kind of goes along with the Zacharia Sitchin stuff.
That being the case, I do not think it is necessary to assume our biological creators would also be our soul caretakers.
The Urantia book states something I've always thought was pertaining to this exact scenario.
The Urantia book written in the 1920's, before almost all medical advancements including antibiotics stated "mankind and it's scientists will learn how to do many things in regards to biological life on this planet, but they will NEVER be able to create it".
For me that has always meant something in regards to the Annunaki and the like.

Posted by Deega (here)
If (?) we were created by an extraterrestrial advanced beings, and as you say, we passes through a tunnel at death, would you see this as a programmed migration from living to dying and on...?, a circular cycle (programmed by our creators) we can't escape..?

No.

If there is a techonology in place to trap and or limit the soul, I believe it is in use on our planet while we are living.
I believe that we are kept from actualizing who we really are by "something" a "force" if you will. I sometimes think it is related to gravity, and the reason our moon is in tidal lock.

And, I will state, I believe Saturn and the moon have something to do with it.

Posted by Deega (here)
And if you accept this concept, would you view this also as ''soul caption''... somehow?

I have read another author who was able through meditation, had access to the aether (other world) where he experience visiting the tunnel, visit other venue than the tunnel, and the particular one that he likes more was getting one consciousness on a ''golden light'', where he felt that was one much nearer than what we were taught to believe as ''paradise'' (at least when I was young), have you ever had the pleasure of testing that..., in your meditation?

I'm not sure if we would all see the exact same thing under meditation.
I've learned to see ghosts in meditation and after quite a bit of trial and error I've had some success in making it seem non-threatening for the ghost to ask for help. At which time a prick of light appears, and then a portal opens up. For me, the light has always been pinkish. Very pleasant and quite rejuvenating. I state the rejuvenating part because my whole technique for holding a ghost in conversation is kind of depleting. I've detailed these accounts in a thread I started HERE.

Well better late than never.
Have a good one Deega

[DNA]

Posted by seah (here)
"semantics" does make it more difficult to navigate through these topics,

It does. There are so many little areas where we think we have an agreed upon vocabulary,,,but in reality that is just not the case.

Posted by seah (here)
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still we each must find ways to convey what we discover is our current understanding of things, because there is always knew learning that is required, no belief should ever be so hardwired that it cannot be reexamined. My understanding of what a soul is has changed over time.

Amen to that!
Except in so far as experiential data plays into the picture.
It's hard to rise up through the ranks and develop skills that allow one to perceive this kind of thing.
As such, when you see certain things, and the most benevolent power you can sense throws you a synchronicity so as to pull your awareness entirely into the moment. Hell ya you are going to take that to the bank more so than some dude reading you Buddhist gospel.

Posted by seah (here)
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Sallustitus, in “About the gods and the world” says: “of souls, some are rational and immortal some are irrational and mortal." and if that alone was the way of things, how simple the terrain would be.

The irrational would be the mortal side of the immortal and the rational would be the silence letting you make your own decisions on the matter.
I'm just saying, ALL higher dimensional powers/souls value free will more than anything else and would do nothing what so ever to threaten those of us not as perceptually gifted.

[greybeard]

Unfortunately I cant really contribute as from my perspective the thread is operating on a false premise ie that there are individual souls separate from source or what ever you wish to call That.
The traditional teachings speak of Maya/illusion---if you go with that then --only God is and I am That---no separation is possible except in the mind--maya

Eckhart Tolle said "Conscious is evolving to know itself"
Ramesh Balsekar said " At birth God begins removing the ego of some"
The term "Self Realisation", kind of sums it up.
The mystics say that, we are here to discover the Truth--Enlightenment is the removal of ignorance.
The ignorance being the lack of knowledge of our true Self--the untrue thought that we are a separate entity.

Chris

[Deega]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Deega (here)
Thanks DNA for this wonderful Tread, I have one comment that make me think that there might be something to ''soul captured'' and I hope that I'm wrong in my belief.

I have read Michael Newton works and a few of his videos, I have read different other authors on the matter and still I have interrogation!

My understanding is that we have been created by an advanced race of beings who came to Earth thousand of years ago.

I have read the work of Anton Park where he posits that advanced beings (Gina_Abul) from Orion, Sirius, other came to Earth escaping a war raging in their Constellation. And this particular beings were our creators.

Hi Deega
First off let me apologize for this late response. Back when you had made this comment my six month old daughter began suffering from grand mall seizures. It was super scary myself and my wife were spending a lot of time either dealing with medical situations and or staring into our daughter's eyes looking for any signs of what was happening. These seizures were super scary, she would stop breathing. Anyway she is fine now and we even stopped the medication. Turns out my mom had this when she was a baby as well.

Anyway enough of that.
I'm obviously right there with you on Michael Newton.
I've not read the Anton Park stuff, but it sounds a lot like the Robert Morningsky "terra papers".
And of course this all is plausible and kind of goes along with the Zacharia Sitchin stuff.
That being the case, I do not think it is necessary to assume our biological creators would also be our soul caretakers.
The Urantia book states something I've always thought was pertaining to this exact scenario.
The Urantia book written in the 1920's, before almost all medical advancements including antibiotics stated "mankind and it's scientists will learn how to do many things in regards to biological life on this planet, but they will NEVER be able to create it".
For me that has always meant something in regards to the Annunaki and the like.

Posted by Deega (here)
If (?) we were created by an extraterrestrial advanced beings, and as you say, we passes through a tunnel at death, would you see this as a programmed migration from living to dying and on...?, a circular cycle (programmed by our creators) we can't escape..?

No.

If there is a techonology in place to trap and or limit the soul, I believe it is in use on our planet while we are living.
I believe that we are kept from actualizing who we really are by "something" a "force" if you will. I sometimes think it is related to gravity, and the reason our moon is in tidal lock.

And, I will state, I believe Saturn and the moon have something to do with it.

Posted by Deega (here)
And if you accept this concept, would you view this also as ''soul caption''... somehow?

I have read another author who was able through meditation, had access to the aether (other world) where he experience visiting the tunnel, visit other venue than the tunnel, and the particular one that he likes more was getting one consciousness on a ''golden light'', where he felt that was one much nearer than what we were taught to believe as ''paradise'' (at least when I was young), have you ever had the pleasure of testing that..., in your meditation?

I'm not sure if we would all see the exact same thing under meditation.
I've learned to see ghosts in meditation and after quite a bit of trial and error I've had some success in making it seem non-threatening for the ghost to ask for help. At which time a prick of light appears, and then a portal opens up. For me, the light has always been pinkish. Very pleasant and quite rejuvenating. I state the rejuvenating part because my whole technique for holding a ghost in conversation is kind of depleting. I've detailed these accounts in a thread I started HERE.

Well better late than never.
Have a good one Deega

Thanks DNA, glad that your daughter made it through this ordeal, and glad also for family members relieved that health finally came in.

Well Anton Park had communicated with Sitchin before his death on particular questions, and Sitchin told him that all the answers were in his book, so Anton was a bit displeased with Sitchin attitude.

Interesting Urantia posit, but, when one think of the miracle intellectual capacity of human, and the technologies that they are able to put up, I would think that the capacity of human creation is only limited by the living conditions (good environment, good food, good living conditions, etc.), and reach out is probably unlimited. We just have to look at the technologies that have been put up in the last 20 years, awesome!

Yes, a special ''force'' is holding everything together, gravity probably. But I somewhat changed my mind on being trapped, I feel more inclined to think that we are part of a global consciousness held up together by another force (love manifest), and upon death, we transit toward that consciousness where other consciousness evolve somehow, and we transit again to some other consciousness as our will decide, I'm in fiction, but, I'm trying to imagine what will be.

You've had quite impressive experience in the astral world, thanks to share.

To you also, have a good day!