Fluoride - a conversation with an insider who knows the real story

[Kra]

Posted by JoshERTW (here)
Kra: The 'rusty' taste could be a few things. One, your town water is in ductile-iron pipes and they are getting old. A Brita filter will fix this for you. Iron is not particularly bad for you though rusty pipes would be more concerning as this means they are structurally compromised and a leak could form in the pipe line. where there is a leak, there is potential for contaminants to enter through the ground. This is pretty common in old pipe systems and most cities have a plan for upgrades over a number of years.

They just finished working on these streets changing the pipes.

Posted by JoshERTW (here)
Third it might be your plumbing - if you live in an old building you might have some crappy internal pipe work.

My house is about 4 years old, the pipes are not rusty, everything is new and clean (4 years doesn't mean much in terms of pipes and plumbing !?). I was talking more in general about the water in my city, not here where i live in particular. I don't really have the strength to start drinking sink water again and after all these years i can't trust it.

Thank you for taking the time to write your posts in such an informative way.

[ann444]

I read that flouride negatively affects the pineal gland and that one can detox from flouride using tamarind paste. The tamarind paste can be used to make a tea and 3 cups a day should be consumed. It's best to drink distilled or spring water (not the bottle water you buy in grocery stores, or filtered water). If anyone else knows an effective way to detox from flouride, please let us know.

[Kra]

Posted by ann444 (here)
IIf anyone else knows an effective way to detox from flouride, please let us know.

There is a thread about this here i hope it will be of use to you.

[MiguelQ]

Posted by JoshERTW (here)
If you are vaporizing the water, you are only going to remove any chemicals which will not also be vaporized (i.e. anything which will become a gas at a lower temperature than water is going to go up your pipe and into your distilled product). Thats why distilling is used to make alcohol - the booze goes gaseous before the water.

I know there are processes to 'deionize' water, as deionized water is what is used in laboratories when absolute pure water is needed. I think reverse osmosis is more or less this type of thing, as even in the labs they often have a 'deionized tap' so there is some process happening there in which the municipal water coming into the building undergoes some further treatment.

As fluoride is an ion dissolved in water deionization is probably your best bet. I imagine distillation might work, you would have to check out at what temperature fluorine/chlorine/whatever element you are trying to get rid of goes gaseous. If its got a lower evaporation point than water you are wasting your time - and it may, water is a pretty energy itnensive substance to boil. I'm also not sure if dissolved ion's can be 'freed' as a gas from within another substance unless the concentration is fairly high i.e. higher than you will find in tap water.

Wait...
Fluoride is an ion, this means its an atom, that is charged, and because of that, it interacts with other ions and stuff.. but once you vaporize the H20, the ion wont go with it right? it stays in the "cup".
On my lab, when i use desionized water, they say its the same as distilled water.
I can by destilled water on the store, there are one they use for car batteries? are those safes ?

[CuppaJoe]

I am 24 years old, living in the good ole US of A. I can clearly remember dental hygiene instruction starting from first grade on. We were told how good and necessary fluoride is, how it prevents cavities and is so good for tooth enamel... It was a very essential part of all that we were taught regarding dental health.

When I grew up and began caring for children on my own, I happened to come across information stating very clearly the many dangers of fluoride. The more I looked into it, the more horrified I was.

The child I was caring for, a 3 year old boy whose sensitivities presented all the time (he told me once during a 3 year drought in our area that the trees were thirsty) - his mother, who otherwise was very concerned with his overall health, buying him organic food and juices and giving him very little sugar - his mother once bought him these small rounded single-serving water bottles that stated, in huge bubbly letters right on the front label, "WITH ADDED FLUORIDE FOR DENTAL HEALTH". She was more put-out by the tiny plastic bottles than the fluoride in the water. I hated giving them to him.
Later that same evening, I very quickly pulled up everything I could find about the real problems with fluoride off the internet and left them on her computer. I don't know if she still gives it to him or not.

But that's the biggest problem. Our kids are being introduced to this toxic stuff as soon as they are born. And we, as parents or caretakers, are told it's good for them. Makes their teeth healthy. Fewer cavities, fewer dental bills. When in reality, there's actually a weakening of tooth enamel that happens with prolonged exposure to fluoride. Note: The effects of fluoride on teeth is really the least of it's evils. But since "the good of the teeth" is how it's pushed, I figured that was quite an ironic side effect.

If the levels of fluoride were tiny - like any number of known carcinogens the average person is exposed to in his or her lifetime - there would be no issue. But this particular carcinogen is deliberately given to us, usually with no exception unless you've got your own well water, and it's sole purpose - IN MY OPINION - is to damage the pineal gland, that tiny little button in the exact middle of our brains, that is actually the mystical "third eye".

I read once that damage to the pineal gland shows in the form of calcification. It gets hard and white, almost like when coral goes into shock, and does not function anymore. I read that this is actually the "mark of the beast". A calcified pineal gland which therefore shuts you off from the rest of the universe.

Bit by bit, over the course of a lifetime and beginning in infancy, we are swallowing this sentence of separation with every glass of water.

"What to do about it" is different for everyone. Myself, I'm into filtering. I was on well water for a long time but have recently moved into a more populated area so now municipal water flows from the tap. I know there's fluoride in there. For now, I use a Brita filter. I need to get something specifically for fluoride, I know.
If I had a child... oh I can't even go into what I would do different with a child. I would do everything different. No city water, no processed food, no refined sugar, definitely no public school, no disposable diapers, no formula...

As with a lot of the really blatant lying and misinforming that goes on, I seem to find it more often than not directly influencing how children think as they grow. The only option I see is to swing it Little House on the Prairie style. Kickin it REALLY old-school. For most people, this is not an option.

Well, at least not until they truly consider it.

After all, our kids are really ours... aren't they?

[MiguelQ]

yeah why my mom and dad gave me fluouride .. pills why?
i remeber i was young and n the school and at my home we had those little pills you put under your tongue, and etc.. i had no choice i wasn't aware of the dangers.. i think my parents neither .. thats sad.

in the other side, i dont drink water so.. im not exposed to that toxics so often..
But my sister drinks alot of water (so she must have more F, in her body) but i see no difference on her from me? besides im more intelligent in some points..

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Here in the US all Flouridated toothpastes have a label warning that if you consume more than a pea sized amount call Poison Control ( a medically staffed toll free number) immediately. If you look on Jordan Makwell's website he has a large photo of the carton of toothpaste showing this warning and related info. Also in the Project Camelot interview that Bill and Kerry did last year with Dr Pete Peterson and David Wilcock they talk of the effects of flouride on the pineal gland and mention calcification. David Wilcock mentions Bue green algae as a 'remedy'. The effects of flouride on the thyroid gland are widely known ( thousands of studies going back over half a century) apparently it interferes with the absorption of iodine in foods and eventually will require underactive thyroid meds. ( don't even get me started on the effects of soy (a phyto estrogen) on the thyroid. Also if you are using a flouride-free toothpaste make sure the company that manufactures it doesn't produce any other flouridated toothpastes on the machinery. Even when the equipment is "flushed out" and washed it still retaines residue. When you go to the dentist and the hygienist cleans your teeth and follows up with an electric polisher and some gritty paste. That paste is loaded with flouride so ask for flouride free / unflavored (the flavoring has artificial flavorings,and colorings) when booking your teeth cleaning appointment.

[Lost Soul]

Use a water filter that removes fluoride. I do. I even stop drinking the bottled water at work because the water company (Alhambra) adds fluoride. The only drawback is that I carry two stainless steel canteens (1.6 mil) of water with me and it's not light weight.

[MargueriteBee]

I've often wondered what they really put in all those sodas, juices and bottled coffee. I'm sure they put more in them than flouride.

This is a link to an on the counter reverse osmisis filter that I used when I lived in the city;

http://www.advancedwaterfilters.com/...s/Counter-Top/

Tap Master Jr. F2™ (with Fluoride Filter) Counter-top Water Filter

[CetaceousOne]

For filtering water including fluoride removal, we use a Berkey.

[JoshERTW]

"I would do everything different. No city water, no processed food, no refined sugar, definitely no public school, no disposable diapers, no formula..."

Thats how we roll, though I think the no public school will not really be an option. The plan is to be involved though, for example say if our kids are learning about WWII, I'll be sure to get them thinking "how exactly did Germany fund the building of all those weapons when it cost a barrel of deuchmarks to buy bread? - Why the American banks lent it to them!" Always present the other side of the story as I have learned it, and encourage seeking out that other side of every story they are told as best I can.

[CuppaJoe]

Posted by JoshERTW (here)
Thats how we roll, though I think the no public school will not really be an option.

You don't think so? In the particular part of the States where I live, there's a HUGE alternative schooling community. But I do think our area is unique in a lot of ways.

I went through the conventional public school system myself. Instead of getting me to think on the finer aspects of what I was learning, like you suggest, my mother told me outright I was being lied to. Created a really bitter taste in my mouth for school altogether. I dropped out of high school my senior year. Never been to college. I self teach now. Latest field of study: Quantum mechanics.

[Barron]

For people wanting to do their own research on the toxic adding of fluoride to our water supply may i suggest this excellent site to start your research: http://www.fluoridealert.org/ and especially this page: http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm

Cheers

[Swami]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S5V8tIpdqIE

[Carmody]

I just find the whole Nalco owns corexit thing to be quite interesting.

If you go to the Nalco website for europe, they go out of their way to date their history and how long it is. It seems to slip into European elitest circles and the french revolution. Perhaps they have changed the site by now...

And that the owners of corexit seem to try and control the fluid flow system of in and out (water for human consumption and sewage) of large 'groups' of human beings in europe.

[Dale]

Interesting thread. I didn't know we had a thread about water fluoridation on Avalon yet.

Here's my take on the matter.

A few years ago, I was in a relationship with the daughter of a very wealthy businessman who is well known for being both a savvy "money man" and CEO of a quite large, multinational corporation. Both her and I lived in the same state, but her father's main residence was in the American south-east, so he decided to fly up to Michigan for the weekend to meet his daughter's "new interest."

He arranged the transportation, and we met for dinner, along with his current wife. While the dinner was being prepared, I noticed how incredibly "picky" he was concerning the ingredients, water, timing, and quite literally everything that went into making the meal. Being a health and fitness enthusiast, I asked, out of curiosity, "What's with the all of the caution?"

What followed was an incredibly lengthy, in-depth, arduous conversation concerning the history of water fluoridation, food additives, glutamates, and most everything in between. During the quite one-way conversation, I spent most of the time absolutely shocked; not at what was said, but by the fact the entire group was laughing and continuing on with their meal. I had already knew that fluoride wasn't very safe, but hearing it from a man who is, by all means, well informed, absolutely left me in a state of shock. Simply being in the same room with this man did, and when he started talking about this matter, I was even more shocked.

I've long since cut all ties with this man, as well as his family, for good reason; but I will say that from what I can recall of the conversation, it is common knowledge to those with power and money that fluoride, as well as many other artificial additives, have detrimental affects on physical well-being. These ingredients are avoided, at all costs, by the majority of the individuals in "inner-workings," and appear to be part of something vastly more political than strengthening enamel.

The attitude I picked up from this man, his friends, and close family was one of "business as usual." There's no remorse, or empathy, for the many that consume fluoride and other similar ingredients. It's just another part of some kind of business deal.

[Lost Soul]

How does one decalcify the peniel gland?

[Dale]

How does one decalcify the peniel gland?

According to Dr. Pete Peterson, the Project Camelot whistleblower, a good way of decalcifying one's pineal gland would be through taking "Ratfish oil."

Here's a thread on the forum about the subject.

An quick Google search of "decalcify pineal gland" gives plenty of other ways, some quite interesting.

[Roofie]

I can safely say that here in Australia we have 2 chemicals added to our drinking water reservoirs. They are Aluminium Sulphate and Fluosilic Acid. I'm not sure of what either chemical actually does to our water but I can list at least 20 reservoirs in Victoria and NSW that use these regularly.

[AtlasFactor]

Queensland Australia has flouride now too. As of 2008. What's more, our local area's first addition of flouride made the news because they "accidentally" put "too much" in the water. "Oops". If it looks like incompetence any action is apparently forgiveable, no matter what one does.