what if the whole '2012' things are not *real* and just a mere wishful-thinking?

[niki]

Posted by OOO (here)
In my spiritual quest the first thing that I learned was that EVERYTHING IS AN ILLUSION...

Nothing is "real" and we are all here to play a fun game of life.

You have free will ....use it.

If all else fails, try sitting in front of a white wall for a few days.

Love to all....

@OOO : my sincere honest question is: when you said that "the FIRST thing that you learned during your spiritual quest was that EVERYTHING IS AN ILLUSION",
were you really experiencing it yourself,
or -with all due respect- it's just your subconscious basically following what many & almost every 'new-age, spiritual' gurus all have seemed to suggest about that "everything is illusion" ? in other words, is it just basically a mere placebo effect / mind/brain-suggestion effect only?..

Just curious.. and want to know the real truth of all this.
thank you.

[we-R-one]

Posted by niki (here)

Posted by OOO (here)
In my spiritual quest the first thing that I learned was that EVERYTHING IS AN ILLUSION...

Nothing is "real" and we are all here to play a fun game of life.

You have free will ....use it.

If all else fails, try sitting in front of a white wall for a few days.

Love to all....

@OOO : my sincere honest question is: when you said that "the FIRST thing that you learned during your spiritual quest was that EVERYTHING IS AN ILLUSION",
were you really experiencing it yourself,
or -with all due respect- it's just your subconscious basically following what many & almost every 'new-age, spiritual' gurus all have seemed to suggest about that "everything is illusion" ? in other words, is it just basically a mere placebo effect / mind/brain-suggestion effect only?..

Just curious.. and want to know the real truth of all this.
thank you.

Hi Niki,

Not trying to answer for OOO, but I think I understand this person's perspective. Often it's easy to misunderstand what other's are trying to express because the one trying to understand is missing some key information. For many of us who have spiritually awakened, discovering that we live in an illusion is very common. This concept became realized for me when I discovered my own reincarnation experience. Why? Because when you begin to remember who you are, you realize that you are consciousness. When you realize you're consciousness you realize there are no boundries as to where you can go. You realize that you are down here on planet earth living an experience so that you can learn and grow. You then quickly begin to realize that the experiences you are having are illusions created for that learning and growing. You are consciousness, you are not your body, your job, or your experiences. So it has nothing to do with following some 'new-age' guru. Most likely new age gurus are saying this because they have come to the same realization.

I find that as some become more spiritually advance, it become more difficult for them to explain in simple terms, so ones who are trying to understand can catch up. So key pieces often get missed and lead to confusion for the poor souls who are just waking up or haven't come to the same conclusion due to their inexperience and no fault of their own.

To understand the whole consciousness frame of reference I recommend looking into stories that cover NDE(Near Death Experiences) and even reincarnation. Dr. Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon has his own personal experience with a NDE that he shared with the public in both his book and several interviews. What's so perfect about him having an NDE is the fact that he has a medical background and according to him, he was able to rule out all medical reasonings given in the past for people's NDE experiences. He's proving through his own story and medical background that consciousness is a fact and not some fabricated storyline that many who don't want you to know the truth have kept hidden by discrediting the experiences of others. I pulled a short interview for you to listen to, but you can find many more on you tube.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=knIC7jQmZkQ

https://youtube.com/watch?v=knIC7jQmZkQ

I hope this helps? Not trying to step on any toes, only trying to help offer interpretation so that a concept can be better understood. Good that you ask questions! You are headed in the right direction.....and welcome to the awakening process!

P.S. Sorry the video picture isn't popping up for some reason, might be a system error. At least you have the link to follow.

[Hervé]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
[...]

... I'm not saying what this date represents exactly, in fact it may be a generalization or a "midpoint" in which the exact date isn't all that significant, but it indicates something.

[..]

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QED

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Precession is not an "Earth" thing, it is a law of physics governed by standalone spinning bodies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession


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Update: Edited for Clarity Dec 11

The "precession" invoked here by Mr. Homann is the so-called lunisolar precession theory which is proven false with the observations and time measurements made with Sirius as the reference point. These measurements demonstrate that the earth is not wobbling or "precessioning." To the contrary, these same mearurements demonstrate the earth to be stably rotating about a stable, non-wobbling, axis of rotation except when Sirius A, B and the sun are in cojunction. Hence, that comment would have been unnecessary had the content of what I posted been fully grasped.

Accordingly, since the observed precession with the sun as reference cannot be due nor attributed to an earth's non-existent wobble, something else is causing it. Hence the supporting evidence provided by the Binary Research Institute for our sun being part of a binary system.

So we should lose over 1200 seconds (20 minutes) each six years if precession is real? That doesn't fully compute...

[...]

Taking Sirius as reference plainly show no time difference between Sidereal and Tropical years over a period of 6 years whereas taking the sun with respect to quasars as reference does show a yearly difference of 1223 s on average.


From http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/b...narcycle.shtml:

Reference Frames

Under the current lunisolar theory of precession it is assumed that the earth goes around the sun 359 degree 59 minutes and 10 arc seconds in a Tropical year, the period from like equinox to like equinox, which is equal to 365.2422 rotations of the earth. This is true if you measure the position of the equinox relative to the fixed stars “outside” the solar system but it is not true if you measure the movement of the equinox relative to the sun or moon or other objects “within” the solar system, where the lunar data shows us that the earth goes around the sun a complete 360 degrees in a tropical year. Unfortunately, neither NASA VLBI (Very-long-baseline interferometry) nor any other official agency measures the earth’s orientation relative to nearby objects, so the paradox goes unnoticed.

Earth orientation measurements are typically made relative to quasars because these objects are so distant (outside the galaxy) that they act as virtual fixed points, ideal for making measurements. And they are ideal. However, failure to consider that we are measuring from a moving frame (the Solar System) to a non-moving frame (the fixed stars) has led to a misinterpretation of the VLBI data.

If the solar system were not moving then simple conclusions about the earth orientation data would be correct (Footnote 1). Or if we knew exactly how much the solar system was moving we could account for such movement and add or subtract such amount from the VLBI measurements. The problem is the solar system moves, and this moving frame needs to be taken into consideration when using points of reference outside the moving frame. As of this writing VLBI data interpretations do not account for this motion or any moving frames.

Ironically, astronomers unknowingly recognize the two different frames at work when it comes to routine calculations within the solar system. For example, when they plot the position of planets or moons within the solar system they use a tropical frame, which by definition excludes precession (Footnote 2) thus no precession adjustment is required or even considered. However, when the position of a star needs to be found you first find the object at a point in time (say J2000) then add precession for each year that has passed since that point. Thus current ephemeris methods account for the two frames; precession is excluded when plotting objects within the solar system and included when plotting objects outside the solar system.

The interesting point about the above quote is that Sirius could be considered both close enough to be part of our solar system and far enough to be a sidereal reference point since, with it: Tropical year = Sidereal year.

For other misconceptions about 21/12/2012, see the discussion starting at this post <---

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by niki (here)
@OOO : my sincere honest question is: when you said that "the FIRST thing that you learned during your spiritual quest was that EVERYTHING IS AN ILLUSION",
were you really experiencing it yourself,
or -with all due respect- it's just your subconscious basically following what many & almost every 'new-age, spiritual' gurus all have seemed to suggest about that "everything is illusion" ? in other words, is it just basically a mere placebo effect / mind/brain-suggestion effect only?..
Just curious.. and want to know the real truth of all this.
thank you.

Allow me to try to help with this ...

There are two main levels of illusion that we actively participate in, a conceptual one and a physical one. The conceptual one can be understood with psychology or advanced spirituality and the physical can be understood by studying quantum physics.

Quantum physics is a bit deep for regular understanding and it takes a while to get a full understanding because of the education required, however, there are some good sources that can put these things into somewhat layman's contexts. The movie "What the !@#$*! Do We Know?!" attempts to do this, without going into any specific quantum physics details. It's a good movie and I can recommend it for considerations.

The most "Real" thing about you is that you are aware and you experience. That's about it. Nothing much else is "Real". Do you remember when you were a baby? Likely not, but then you were far more "Real" because you existed in a more natural state of mind that had no classified illusions assigned to it yet -- you only had awareness and perception, and nothing else.

We think that as we get older we become more planted in "Reality" as we learn to speak a language, and interact with our environment, but the opposite is true, we start out pure, and envelope the Illusion around us through our "learning".

Current languages is the provider of the conceptual illusion. Without it, the conceptual illusion would more or less cease to exist. An example is our labeling of things and how the mind comes to view those things as the labels - rather than what they actually are.

Ekhart Tolle used a good example once about Honey. He said we can know the word "Honey", we can know that bees make it, we can analyze the constituents, we can write an entire thesis on Honey, and read all the encyclopedias about what is "honey", we can become an "educated expert" in honey. But unless you have TASTED honey, all you know are the illusions and labels associated with Honey. You do not have a REAL experience of Honey, UNLESS you taste the honey, regardless of how many facts you know and no matter what your "education" level is about honey. If you haven't tasted it, you only know the illusions that are associated. I call this the difference between true learning and learning "about" things. Notice how the part that provides you the "facts" about reality is not the true learning process in my view ... ;-)

We wrongly associate our labels as the things they represents -- this puts the illusions "about" these things into our minds where we learn to interact completely on this level of illusion, without giving value to the actual things that they are. It seems subtle, but the effect on consciousness is huge.

Let's look at the illusion of "self". What you think you have become -- as a "person" is part of the illusion, remember, anything beyond your awareness, is actually illusion. If you are raised as a baby from Buddhist monks, you will end up an entirely different person than if you were raised by a military general. So what's the real you? Nothing that you are taught and that the ego uses for processing is a part of you, but merely a part of this conceptual illusion we live in. All is variable - the only constant or "Truth" with a capital T is your awareness. Humans use "Reason" to justify this illusion, and pretend it is "real".

For example, we believe that something happens - and that causes us to have an emotional response. This is a big part of the conceptual illusion. But let's say my car get's stolen and I get angry. Did the fact that my car got stolen make me mad? No, I choose to express my "mad-ness" at that time -- that is all, my justification is "He stole my car." Another more spiritual person may get his car stolen and be fully indifferent. Where's the "cause and effect" now? Not there because it was never real - just illusion backed by a "Reason". You see, humans project from a place of timelessness, so in order for me to get "angry", - "angry" has to fully be a part of my self - a part of my mind, an unbalanced part. If I remove that quality from my Being, I no longer will be able to re-act in anger at anything that happens to me, regardless of what is happening in the illusion. My point of awareness is what is real.

Do you see now how this "conceptual" illusion has been put into our minds? We think with it, we talk with it, we relate with it in the form of structured linguistics, but it is not real, it is merely the choices we make backed up by false "reasons" to justify the "reality" of said illusion, rather than accepting full responsibility for our actions. We blame the illusion, then we have to all pretend that that "Illusion" is real so we don't look like the fools we are for having that reaction to illusion. Most of humanity is in agreement to over value this illusion to justify our poor unproductive "reactions" to things, rather than being honest with ourselves. This is why advanced spirituality AND psychology are both methods of coming to the understanding of this -- it is all tied together. Coming to this realization is a bit like "growing up" in a sense, and when you see the truth from this perspective, it is hard not to see everyone still pretending this illusion is "everything" as a childish mindgame. Once you have this awareness it is almost impossible to view the world in any other way.




The next level of illusion is the physical one. This is a persistent illusion, which means it's governance is "mostly" outside our ability to have much control over, outside of other physical reactions (illusion / illusion interaction, however this is more likely related to limits of our consciousness). There are exceptions to this - one being atomic energy and the other being the process of conscious manifestation, which we all partake in in one way or another.

My experiences with conscious manifestation go hand in hand with what quantum physics hints to us about the nature of our reality. Expectation and observation can change result. Right there tells me that our physical environment is all variable - -all potential, until expectation within consciousness is applied. Many experiments in quantum physics proves this actually happens - one is the famous double slit experiment. So if physical environment is affected by consciousness, how "real" is it? It is as real as the expectations of the observer, therefore it is also nothing more than a resultant illusion based on the persistence of form (it's "real-ness"), and conscious interaction. If it is not absolute - it is illusion.

One could describe scales of "real-ness" or of "Illusion-ness" for things, because basically anything that is not God, is some level of illusion. This doesn't mean the illusion isn't important, it means we have been applying the wrong values to the physical realm is all.


I hope that helps a little bit, I tried to "layman-ize" it all the best I could. Sometimes the understanding of something is very difficult to verbalize.


My 2 cents

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
... Trim ...

The interesting point about the above quote is that Sirius could be considered both close enough to be part of our solar system and far enough to be a sidereal reference point since, with it: Tropical year = Sidereal year.

For other misconceptions about 21/12/2012, see the discussion starting at this post <---

I'm still not fully convinced, but I will be further checking your sources a little -- I don't want to distract this thread too much. So what is the force that "prevents" Earth's precession? Gravity from Sirius? It would have to be very powerful, no? Could it be a different force other than "Gravity"? I'm not sure what the exact mechanism would be here or how this would work. Maybe PM me if you have this info or point me to more specific texts on that. Thanks for sharing

[OOO]

@niki
It is a bit daunting when someone tells you that nothing is real. A million questions arise, and the worst of all is self-doubt.
My experience was a slooooowww realization and it came with getting to know/accept/realize/believe/trust/...the existence of my higher self. If you pay real close attention to your voice in your head you can distinguish when you are talking and when You are talking. The first time I heard it scared me and then doubt followed, then denial and eventually it became normal. This alerted me that reality is fluid, multi-dimensional, illusory....

Another aspect that helped me was poking into past lives and 'life between lives'. Michael Newton and his books [I]Journey of Souls[I] and Destiny of Souls (careful to stay away from Newtons personal conclusions) really help you understand your responsibility in this life and why you chose certain obstacles.

Coming to terms that you are more than this rambling mind and dense body is liberating because you get a peak into something more than this reality.

Wow...really sorry that I cannot explain and transfer my feeling/experience to you in a more coherent manner.

DeDukshyn explains it far more eloquently....

In the end its all mind games.

Lots of love...

[Hervé]

You all know how the New Year is celebrated the world round on New Year's Eve... followed by many with their New Year's resolutions... well, it's not much different for the Mayas and THEIR New Year:

From http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...-mayan-priests:

End of the World? Hear the 2012 Prophecy … Direct from the Mouths of the Mayan Priests
Submitted by George Washington on 12/10/2012 10:32 -0500





Ignore Second-Hand Information … Hear the Real Prophecy

Preface: The Mayan 2012 end of the world “prophecy” is scaring the pants off numerous children and suicidal teeangers. 1-in-10 people believe that the Mayans have prophesied the end of the world (and see this). A Google search for "Maya 2012" currently brings up 325 million hits, only slightly less than a search for the most popular words.

This post is a public service announcement to reach children and adults scared about the Mayan prophecy … to show with the Mayan priests’ own words that the world will not end in 2012.

Many people are talking about the Mayan 2012 prophecy.

But few know what the Mayan priests actually said about 2012.

In reality, Mayan elders say something very different from what you might have heard.

For example, Wakatel Utiw – leader of the National Council of Elders Mayas, Xinca and Garifuna, Day Keeper of the Mayan Calendar, and 13th generation Quiche Mayan Spiritual Leader - says that the end of the Maya calendar has nothing to do with the end of the world.

He also explains that December 21, 2012 might not even be the end of this cycle of the calendar:

Contrary to popular belief the living elders of the Maya do not agree that December 21, 2012 is the end of their calendar. A new “Sun” represents the beginning of a new Long Count cycle in the calendar system of approximately 5,200 years, which they say may not happen for many years.

And see this.
(A brand new film called “Shift of the Ages” tells the Mayans’ beliefs in detail … and gives their true warnings.)

Similarly, Tz’utujil Mayan elder Tata Pedro Cruz says that the world will not end in 2012:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=po6SL6KaMJ0

Mayan elder and priest Carlos Barrios – who has extensively studied the Mayan calendars – says:

Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It’s just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed.”

Leonzo Barreno – a Guatemalan native who was trained by Mayan elders to read the ancient calendars – says says the ‘apocalypse’ concept is a false interpretation of the Long Count calendar, that the Mayan elders taught him that December 21 this year simply marks the start of a new calendar:

‘There are two sides to the story,’ he told CBC. ‘The one that we know is this apocalyptic meaning that has been given to the Long Count.

‘The other side of the story is the Mayan side, which you rarely see on media articles, because they never interview my own people.’

‘For them it’s a joyous event, not an apocalyptic event. What is coming is the end of a calendar and the beginning of a new one.

Ricardo Cajas – president of the Collective of Native Organizations of Colectivo de Organizaciones Indígenas de Guatemala – says the date did not represent an end of humanity or fulfillment of the catastrophic prophecies, but that the new cycle “supposes changes in human consciousness.” (Translation).
Pedro Celestino Yac Noj – a Mayan sage living in Cuba – says:

The 21st is for giving thanks and gratitude and the 22nd welcomes the new cycle, a new dawn.

Rather than being the end of the world, Mayan priest Jose Manrique Esquive believes that 2012 may bring a transition to a better time for humankind.
And AP noted in 2009:

Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly “running out” on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it’s not the end of the world.

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Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists.

***

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

And if you don’t believe what the current Mayan leaders say, please remember that archaeologists recently found a cache of ancient Mayan calendars which goes thousands of years past 2012. And see this.

Note: The Mayan elders do make prophetic warnings, but it has nothing to do with 2012. Specifically, they warn that we need to rein in war and pollution or we will destroy ourselves.

Given that numerous end of the world prophecies have come and gone without incident, and that the Pope has declared that – due to a miscalculation – we are currently in AD 2016, not 2012 – it is smart to take all date-specific predictions with a spoonful of cynicism.
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BTW, the picture above is an AZTEC carving... not Mayan at all.

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks Amzer, and you are fully correct in that this idea of doomsday is pure nonsense! That aspect of the story is pure sensationalism - and one that drives some people to "scamming".

I have studied American ancients for quite time, and I never ever had the impression the Mayan calendar meant the end of the world. The Mayans themselves say that the reason it only goes to the point it does and then stops, is because it is expected that we will need an entirely "new" calendar after this time.

Many Mayan elders do not even claim to know much about what this point in time represents, but they all say it has something to do with our sun, a few go further than that in their explanations.


I think if there is one thing for certain about the 21st -- it will not be any type of doomsday.

I have the impression (backed by my intuition) that it may be the dawning of a new "Golden Age" on Earth, the start of a directional change ... how that change comes about, whether as the Truth from ET sources to the masses, or some strange energy burst that affects our consciousness, I think is less important if this premise is actually true.

My 2 cents worth

[norman]

" what if the whole '2012' things are not *real* and just a mere wishful-thinking?"


I know forum text doesn't convey humor very well, but, you ARE kidding, right ! ?

[DeDukshyn]

Here's some Mayan descendants giving their take:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3v67pxeizXo

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wbAvF0Qcb2o

[DeDukshyn]

I feel compelled to also share that in my opinion, it is possible that the Mayan calendar that exists today is intentionally misleading in its "date".

The Ancient Americas were infiltrated by a "God" that came and changed the course of their civilization, in a similar fashion to how Horus-Ra infiltrated and changed the course of Egyptian culture, steering them out of their "Golden Age" through the introduction of the sense of scarcity, and the resultant "commerce" that was used for controlling the masses. (implanting fear into consciousness, for the purpose of control)

The ancient American scriptures tell a story of two of their "Gods" in opposition with each other -- one trying to preserve their golden age and the other trying to destroy it, by implementing a type of satanic religious culture. I keep in my mind the level of this infiltration may have spread to even their art and artifacts. We all know the level the "elite" go to sometimes to spread their madness ... Just something I keep in mind with all this Mayan stuff. I believe the Aztec and Inca also had calendars of sorts ... might be worth trying to find those and compare that to the Mayan's. I allow a small chance that this may be true, based on the history I know of ancient America.

[Wind]

Ra is benevolent entity. The ancient egyptians were helped by RA.

http://www.lawofone.info/

There have been "good" and "bad" contacts throughout the ages, because we actually were created by other civilizations. "God created man in his own image." Most of them want just good for us, others are neutral and only a very few races are really bad. However, planet Earth has been a long time in under control of the darkness. Illuminati actually originates from ancient Egypt. There were those who twisted the teachings of RA so that they could benefit themselves. It is called service to self... Then there is service to others.

Our history is so convoluted that it is nearly impossible to understand the big picture. When we will regain our past life memories through the shift or DNA upgrade we will remember and then we will understand.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
So what is the force that "prevents" Earth's precession?

I would ask not what prevents precession, but what causes it.

When a child spins a top, it precesses because the axis of rotation forced by the child's hand is not perfectly aligned with the gravitational field.

But what of the earth's spinning? What caused it to spin, and how did it come to pass that the cause of spinning was not aligned with the gravitational field in which it finds itself?

Perhaps, just perhaps, the cause of the earth's spinning and the nature of the fields in which it finds itself are one and the same, in which case the earth would have no reason to precess in its orbit. Perhaps the apparent precession is due to our choosing a coordinate space that is not aligned with the fields about the earth, but rather choosing a coordinate space that is itself poorly chosen and precessing, relative to what's "really" there.

Discovering a coordinate space that is plausibly connected with the known physics and behavior the various known large objects in and near our solar system, in which coordinate space the earth is not precessing, lends further credence to the possibility that it's not the earth that's precessing, but a poorly chosen coordinate space that's precessing.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
So what is the force that "prevents" Earth's precession?

I would ask not what prevents precession, but what causes it.

When a child spins a top, it precesses because the axis of rotation forced by the child's hand is not perfectly aligned with the gravitational field.

But what of the earth's spinning? What caused it to spin, and how did it come to pass that the cause of spinning was not aligned with the gravitational field in which it finds itself?

Perhaps, just perhaps, the cause of the earth's spinning and the nature of the fields in which it finds itself are one and the same, in which case the earth would have no reason to precess in its orbit. Perhaps the apparent precession is due to our choosing a coordinate space that is not aligned with the fields about the earth, but rather choosing a coordinate space that is itself poorly chosen and precessing, relative to what's "really" there.

Discovering a coordinate space that is plausibly connected with the known physics and behavior the various known large objects in and near our solar system, in which coordinate space the earth is not precessing, lends further credence to the possibility that it's not the earth that's precessing, but a poorly chosen coordinate space that's precessing.

What caused it to spin I think is less relevant than why does it not precess? If you spin a gyroscope, and there are no forces acting otherwise - it precesses. So, I think my question is relevant, the fact that it does spin is more relevant than why it spins for this question ... unless I am missing something still from what you guys are saying ... which is well likely. I can be slow on the uptake sometimes

Edit: Ok I get what you are saying now. So without a plane of gravity pulling at an off angle to perpendicular of azis, then precession will not occur, right?

I found this for consideration: But it will take a little time to grasp all this math ... http://astro.cornell.edu/academics/c...and_Forced.pdf

Edit2: A lot of that math is beyond me, but it appears according to this that both the Sun's gravity and / or a planet's satellite(s) can also cause "forced precession".

[Wind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CPriixJ6_Ms

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by StarSeed (here)
RA is benevolent entity. The ancient egyptians were helped by RA.

http://www.lawofone.info/

There have been "good" and "bad" contacts throughout the ages, because we actually were created by other civilizations. "God created man in his own image." Most of them want just good for us, others are neutral and only a very few races are really bad. However, planet Earth has been a long time in under control of the darkness. Illuminati actually originates from ancient Egypt. There were those who twisted the teachings of RA so that they could benefit themselves. It is called service to self... Then there is service to others.

Our history is so convoluted that it is nearly impossible to understand the big picture. When we will regain our past life memories through the shift or DNA upgrade we will remember and then we will understand.

Not Ra .. Horus-Ra. Completely different. Horus attached Ra to his name undeservingly, and deceivingly. He started Earth's fall from the last "Golden Age" -- the "structures" he created persist to this day. (I am referring to political and monetary structures -- not the pyramids -- they already existed then, built before or during the last "Golden Age")

[Wind]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Not Ra .. Horus-Ra. Completely different. Horus attached Ra to his name undeservingly, and deceivingly. He started Earth's fall from the last "Golden Age" -- the "structures" he created persist to this day.

So you mean that Horus was actually a malevolent "God"? A service to self entity, if you will.

[Godiam]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
I agree with you CS,and there is also the fact that when you are having your breakfast cup of tea my Dec 21 will be nearly over!

That is the trouble with date specific prophesy, it does not take the International Date Line into account!

The simple FACT that SPIRIT does not have a clock (or calender) makes any prediction hard to pin down to a certain day, let alone an hour!
It is my belief that this date is the center-point of a much larger window of opportunity that humanity is going through!

HUGS...........Godiam

[norman]

Posted by StarSeed (here)


So you mean that Horus was actually a malevolent "God"?

Anything that makes you passive in the face of encroaching tyranny is malevolent.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by StarSeed (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Not Ra .. Horus-Ra. Completely different. Horus attached Ra to his name undeservingly, and deceivingly. He started Earth's fall from the last "Golden Age" -- the "structures" he created persist to this day.

So you mean that Horus was actually a malevolent "God"? A service to self entity, if you will.

It appears that would be the case ... In ancient Times the addition of "Ra" as an extension of a name was to be reserved for the rightful heirs within the ancient Matriarch system that governed ancient Egypt. If you look at Egyptian art, all Kings and Queens previous to Horus have a specific stance where the left foot is slightly ahead of the right foot. This indicates emphasis of the divine feminine within them. If you look at any art of Horus, he has his right foot a giant step ahead and his left foot back -- this indicates a fully "masculine" emphasis which can be interpreted as STS compared to the rest of the ancient royalty in the Egyptian art. Also consider that previous art to this era always had a queen as the main royal figure with a "king" at her side, and after this period it was all about the Kings -- not the queens. This represents the switch from a matriarchal system to patriarchal system.

The video series "The Pyramid Code" from 2008 explains this all a little better, available here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post595659