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[Mark]

Here is a source for the decay rates: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/resea...enkinsDec.html

Purdue-Stanford team finds radioactive decay rates vary with the sun's rotation
August 30, 2010

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - Radioactive decay rates, thought to be unique physical constants and counted on in such fields as medicine and anthropology, may be more variable than once thought.

A team of scientists from Purdue and Stanford universities has found that the decay of radioactive isotopes fluctuates in synch with the rotation of the sun's core.

The fluctuations appear to be very small but could lead to predictive tools for solar flares and may have an impact on medical radiation treatments.

This adds to evidence of swings in decay rates in response to solar activity and the distance between the Earth and the sun that Purdue researchers Ephraim Fischbach, a professor of physics, and Jere Jenkins, a nuclear engineer, have been gathering for the last four years. The Purdue team previously reported observing a drop in the rate of decay that began a day and half before and peaked during the December 2006 solar flare and an annual fluctuation that appeared to be based on the Earth's orbit of, and changing distance from, the sun, Jenkins said.

"If the relationship between solar activity and decay rates proves to be true, it could lead to a method of predicting solar flares, which could help prevent damage to satellites and electric grids, as well as save the lives of astronauts in space," Jenkins said. "Finding that the decay rates fluctuate in a pattern that matches known and theoretical solar frequencies is compelling evidence for a solar influence on decay rates."

Jenkins and Fischbach collaborated with Peter Sturrock, a professor emeritus of applied physics at Stanford University and an expert on the inner workings of the sun, to examine data collected at Brookhaven National Laboratory on the rate of decay of the radioactive isotopes silicon-32 and chlorine-36. The team reported in the journal Astroparticle Physics that the decay rate for both isotopes varies in a 33-day recurring pattern, which they attribute to the rotation rate of the sun's core.

In general, the fluctuations that Jenkins and Fischbach have found are around a tenth of a percent from what is expected, as they've examined available published data and taken some measurements themselves.

The team has not yet examined isotopes used in medical radiation treatments or for dating of ancient artifacts.

"The fluctuations we're seeing are fractions of a percent and are not likely to radically alter any major anthropological findings," Fischbach said. "One of our next steps is to look into the isotopes used medically to see if there are any variations that would lead to overdosing or underdosing in radiation treatments, but there is no cause for alarm at this point. What is key here is that what was thought to be a constant actually varies and we've discovered a periodic oscillation where there shouldn't be one."

Jenkins and Fischbach suggest that the changes in the decay rates are due to interactions with solar neutrinos, nearly weightless particles created by nuclear reactions within the sun's core that travel almost at the speed of light.

It is estimated that about 60 billion solar neutrinos pass through a person's fingernail every second, but they are so weakly reactive that they pass right through the body without disturbing or changing anything, Jenkins said.

"We haven't known the solar neutrino to interact significantly with anything, but it fits with the evidence we've gathered as the likely source of these fluctuations," he said. "So, what we're suggesting is that something that can't interact with anything is changing something that can't be changed."

The Purdue team has ruled out the possibility of experimental error or an environmental influence on the detection systems that track the rate of decay as being responsible for the fluctuations and published a series of papers in the journals Astroparticle Physics, Nuclear Instruments and Methods in Physics Research, and Space Science Reviews.

Sturrock said it is an effect that no one yet understands and that if it is not neutrinos that are responsible, then perhaps there is an unknown particle interacting with the atoms.

"It would have to be something we don't know about - an unknown particle that is also emitted by the sun and has this effect - and that would be even more remarkable," he said.

[araucaria]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
And that is the debate. Science and Spirituality, which is where these two subjects are supposed to meet here at Avalon (See logo at top of page)

Thanks, Grip, for your excellent post (and there are many other excellent posts on this thread: all should be read carefully).

Just grabbing the talking stick here for just a moment to clarify -- especially to any new members reading this -- that I am very far indeed from being any kind of hardcore materialist.

For the umpteenth time to some reading this, I've seen an ET physically materialize in my room when I was wide awake, I very regularly experience psychic abilities in myself and others, and am under no illusion that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose (the famous quote from the great evolutionary biologist J B S Haldane). I suspect that the Truth is very strange indeed.

My point is that compared with that Truth, the variously prevalent New Age myths are extremely simplistic and are almost all based on wishful thinking... a dangerous habit when all our liberties, freedoms, consciousness, bodies and Planet Earth itself are all under attack from demonic agendas -- and this is the reality.

The Archons (and they certainly exist, whatever one would name them) are having a field day at all the naivete -- which disables many otherwise potentially very able people.

We're taking ourselves out via our own weaknesses. Ultimately, it's all about the necessary courage to confront the way things really are.

I look forward to the next Hitler parody when he is told, on 22 December, that nothing whatsoever of note happened the previous day.

Respectfully, Bill, I don't think naivety comes into it as much as you suggest, or that courage to face realities is lacking.

Also, I am intrigued that some people find so many things reducible to that Hitler bunker meme. It is beginning to take on a life of its own

[Mark]

This article from the NASA website was also used in the video in order to explain the "interstellar cloud" that we are entering into currently, according to NASA's Voyager research. This cloud is equated with the Photon Belt in the OP video.

Voyager Makes an Interstellar Discovery

The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist. In the Dec. 24th issue of Nature, a team of scientists reveal how NASA's Voyager spacecraft have solved the mystery.

"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system," explains lead author Merav Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University. "This magnetic field holds the interstellar cloud together and solves the long-standing puzzle of how it can exist at all."

Image above: Voyager flies through the outer bounds of the heliosphere en route to interstellar space. A strong magnetic field reported by Opher et al in the Dec. 24, 2009, issue of Nature is delineated in yellow. Image copyright 2009, The American Museum of Natural History.

The discovery has implications for the future when the solar system will eventually bump into other, similar clouds in our arm of the Milky Way galaxy.

Astronomers call the cloud we're running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" for short. It's about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

"The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the 'crushing action' of the hot gas around it," says Opher.

So how does the Fluff survive? The Voyagers have found an answer.

"Voyager data show that the Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected—between 4 and 5 microgauss*," says Opher. "This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction."

Image Above: An artist's concept of the Local Interstellar Cloud, also known as the "Local Fluff." Credit: Linda Huff (American Scientist) and Priscilla Frisch (University of Chicago)

NASA's two Voyager probes have been racing out of the solar system for more than 30 years. They are now beyond the orbit of Pluto and on the verge of entering interstellar space—but they are not there yet.

"The Voyagers are not actually inside the Local Fluff," says Opher. "But they are getting close and can sense what the cloud is like as they approach it."

The Fluff is held at bay just beyond the edge of the solar system by the sun's magnetic field, which is inflated by solar wind into a magnetic bubble more than 10 billion km wide. Called the "heliosphere," this bubble acts as a shield that helps protect the inner solar system from galactic cosmic rays and interstellar clouds. The two Voyagers are located in the outermost layer of the heliosphere, or "heliosheath," where the solar wind is slowed by the pressure of interstellar gas.

Voyager 1 entered the heliosheath in Dec. 2004; Voyager 2 followed almost 3 years later in Aug. 2007. These crossings were key to Opher et al's discovery.

Image Above: The anatomy of the heliosphere. Since this illustration was made, Voyager 2 has joined Voyager 1 inside the heliosheath, a thick outer layer where the solar wind is slowed by the pressure of interstellar gas. Credit: NASA/Walt Feimer.

The size of the heliosphere is determined by a balance of forces: Solar wind inflates the bubble from the inside while the Local Fluff compresses it from the outside. Voyager's crossings into the heliosheath revealed the approximate size of the heliosphere and, thus, how much pressure the Local Fluff exerts. A portion of that pressure is magnetic and corresponds to the ~5 microgauss Opher's team has reported in Nature.

The fact that the Fluff is strongly magnetized means that other clouds in the galactic neighborhood could be, too. Eventually, the solar system will run into some of them, and their strong magnetic fields could compress the heliosphere even more than it is compressed now. Additional compression could allow more cosmic rays to reach the inner solar system, possibly affecting terrestrial climate and the ability of astronauts to travel safely through space. On the other hand, astronauts wouldn't have to travel so far because interstellar space would be closer than ever. These events would play out on time scales of tens to hundreds of thousands of years, which is how long it takes for the solar system to move from one cloud to the next.

"There could be interesting times ahead!" says Opher.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I also recognize the need to remain grounded in 3D and face the hard issues each day which require us to be humane and interact with our fellow man in a humane and empathic way, but let’s be clear here about the deeper context being brushed aside in all the 2012 hoopla :

At its basic level, the universe is energy. All manifestation can be broken down to light particles, and the ability of these particles to coalesce based on their speed of oscillation and density. This “hard reality” of which you speak is malleable by the very thoughts we project into the matrix, and science is also malleable by the fact that the observer, just by observing, shifts the data.

So, I have a “hard time” sticking to the “hard reality” Newtonian Paradigm of the periodic chart of elements, and the basic combining of these elements and their properties based on heat or cooling. I’m more inclined, like the ancient Gnostics, to look at all things as energy, changeable, malleable, and influenced by the large masses of planets, by me (and the collective).

...

All of the symbols and archetypes we have created, the etymology of language, are all based on the different frequencies of energy. The Gnostics were summarily eliminated from the planet through genocide because they taught the basic tenets of energetics, and the Archon’s know quite well the basic nature of the universe and how to manipulate it. This is what I mean by; don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, the debate is all about energy, and astrology is the basic building block of the energy of the universe.

Good post, grip.

I suspect, from the vantage point of how I look at things, that a couple of things are being confused here.

My present, ever evolving and inadequately articulated, understanding of the physics of the Universe would sound to the casual observer more like what you describe above. I view Newtonian mechanics as a brilliantly oversimplified and quite useful model of one level of ordering of some of the larger masses and motions in our Universe, but a model that leaves out far, far more than it admits. There is plenty of room in my model for ET's and psychic awareness, even though my personal conscious awareness of such in this life approximates zilch. I am quite certain there is a city called Paris in France, even though I've not visited there. The physical Universe, across a very wide range of scales, can better be understood as electrified plasma than as masses in Newtonian motion. Astrology and alchemy have deep roots in an awareness of "how things are."

That's a thumbnail sketch of my present views ... they keep changing.

However ...

Even as my specific views in so many subjects keep changing, sometimes in quite radical ways over the years, I remain convinced that we can understand, with a disciplined consistency. Words have meanings, and those meanings, those concepts behind our words, deserve to be built with as much clarity and consistency as we can muster, even as we are well aware that those concepts, like the images in the artists mind, and those words, like the paints on his brush, are but pale and ever shifting facsimiles of what is.

I appreciate the fruits of the labors of such investigators as Joseph P. Farrell and Paul LaViolette, and I rail against what strikes me as the snake oil salesmanship of those such as Nassim Haramein (sorry, Nassim fans), who seems (to me) to choose his words to impress, rather than from an inner compulsion to be clear, consistent and true.

I look for (1) those who endeavor to be true to what is, as opposed to (2) those who would entertain themselves or the audience with impressions of some currently popular imaginings of how things are, or (3) those who would plant seeds of new confusions, for their own nefarious purposes.

My point ...

My point in this rambling is that this is not about new age physics versus old age physics. Bill in his studies and experiences, and myself in my studies, both, from what I can tell, are certain that there are truths in "new age" physics (e.g. - ET's, psychics, electric plasmas, astrology, alchemy, ...) that are beyond the reach of "old age" physics.

Rather this is about knowing in one's bones that there is an underlying truth, and remaining committed to seek out and act in accordance with that truth, even as we realize how flimsy our efforts might be at times.

I sense that some of the key instigating purveyors of 2012 apocalypticism lacked that commitment. Perhaps, as others have suggested, they were too stoned out of their gourds to spell such words.

I would urge others not to let an apparent, but superficial, endorsement of new age physics be a criteria by which one chooses what to consider further. Look beneath the surface, for the ceaseless striving for core structural integrity.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I have no meaning left to cling too. I now live a meaningless life. Maybe now I can let go of trying to figure out my purpose and just be happy living day to day.

Perhaps that is our purpose, our meaning ... to continue trying to figure this out.

That some old ideas have been discarded as meaningless ... that's good ... it is a sign that you're still in the hunt.

Sooner or later I suspect all our ideas get discarded as meaningless, even as they are the mental embodiment of that which is, our search for meaning.

[gripreaper]

Thank You Paul. Very articulate and erudite synopsis you have made in response. It is abundantly clear to me that you are true to your self and are always in the hunt for further clarification of truth, and I much appreciate your candor, grace and sensitivity to the discourse, no matter where it may lead, or to what context the viewer is perceiving it.

You are a rare gem in this age of so much information, and your ability to distill that information into a cohesive synthesis is always refreshing. I'm honored to sit at your feet and listen to your wisdom.

[Rocky_Shorz]

what are everyone's feelings about Mr X the archivist that read classified memos from ET's stating that 2012 they will be here whether we want them or not...

have we stopped them from coming?

has black ops gotten so sophisticated that we have better weapons than ET's millions of years more advanced than us?

have disasters been diverted, so they aren't sending the ARKs?

we'll always have unanswered questions...

[we-R-one]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
At its basic level, the universe is energy. All manifestation can be broken down to light particles, and the ability of these particles to coalesce based on their speed of oscillation and density. This “hard reality” of which you speak is malleable by the very thoughts we project into the matrix, and science is also malleable by the fact that the observer, just by observing, shifts the data.

So, I have a “hard time” sticking to the “hard reality” Newtonian Paradigm of the periodic chart of elements, and the basic combining of these elements and their properties based on heat or cooling. I’m more inclined, like the ancient Gnostics, to look at all things as energy, changeable, malleable, and influenced by the large masses of planets, by me (and the collective).

The Horus Ra thread discusses how the Archons manipulate energy to control the planet. The Wade Frazier thread discusses how to tap into the matrix and harness energy. Kimberly and we-R-one discuss how to be heart centered and focus energy towards a collective dream and a new paradigm based on individual power. Avalon is all about energy and how to preserve it, focus it, and emanate it towards an intentional manifestation.

All of the symbols and archetypes we have created, the etymology of language, are all based on the different frequencies of energy. The Gnostics were summarily eliminated from the planet through genocide because they taught the basic tenets of energetics, and the Archon’s know quite well the basic nature of the universe and how to manipulate it. This is what I mean by; don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, the debate is all about energy, and astrology is the basic building block of the energy of the universe.

Grip what a dy-NO-mite post- You sure have an excellent communication skill set which allows you to put ideas on paper in a way that just flows. It is about energy, the future is energy! And it's our belief systems that allow it to be malleable, but we as a human race have yet to grasp this understanding on a mass scale. You see I don't buy into the "I believe in nothing" mantra. Bottom line, beliefs shape realities, they go hand in hand.....at least in this universe , and the "new science" is there to prove it. So if you didn't believe in anything you wouldn't be down here. It's the same for those who say "manifestation" isn't possible in this reality. It's not possible because the core base of the population doesn't "believe" it's possible and therefore because the core base doesn't believe, it thereby effects the energy field which is responsible for shaping our reality. In time, the human race of this planet will have the ability to manipulate and harness energy on a mass scale, which in turn will catapult the evolution process to a level never before seen.

Currently we're experiencing the breakdown of belief systems, which is why several feel lost - They're realizing that many of these beliefs were based on false information that had been fed to them their entire lives and beyond. This breakdown is a good thing and needed if we're to move forward as a civilization. So Ernie, don't despair, this is just part of the process and you're headed in the right direction as this is how transformation takes place.

Most important to point out....we have to get our spirituality in line first! You do not want a civilization having the ability to both harness and manifest energy without the proper development of one's spiritual side. If this is overlooked it can spell disaster as it opens Pandora's box for the potential of abuse and misuse.

For those who haven't seen this definition below, it explains beautifully how dimensions are created. I know this definition is accurate as it follows what the scientific studies of Epigenetics have shown to be true. There is a shift happening, and for me, I don't need some explosive event to occur on Dec. 21, 2012 to identify what is taking shape before my very eyes. I can see for myself via my own personal experiences, the words of fellow poster's comments and the various topics covered from external sources, that suggest a change is on the horizon.

DIMENSION- A dimension is a state of consciousness. When you look at what we know about dimensions, what we find is that each is about a unique set of beliefs. Our current 3D consciousness was not established until enough people began to believe the same way. And the current 5D consciousness will not be established until enough of the people existing there figure out how to live in unity. So we see that when enough people live a set of beliefs they create a dimension.

Going further, a state of consciousness/dimension vibrates at a certain frequency just as all physical matter has a distinguishing vibration or frequency. In our universe, the closer we get to the integration point of Light and Dark, the faster we vibrate (compassion being the integration point with the fastest vibratory rate). So, if a whole group of people acquire a particular set of beliefs, in this case, the understanding of how to live at the integration point between Light and Dark, then they all begin to vibrate at that particular rate. This vibratory rate is also known as a frequency. Continuing on, this group vibration creates a new consciousness, a new reality, and a new dimension by the individuals in the group expressing themselves emotionally, creatively, etc.
Source: Jelaila Starr

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Astronomers call the cloud we're running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" for short. It's about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

"The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the 'crushing action' of the hot gas around it," says Opher.

So how does the Fluff survive? The Voyagers have found an answer.

"Voyager data show that the Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected—between 4 and 5 microgauss*," says Opher. "This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction."

Thanks for the informative post, Rahkyt.

They say this interstellar cloud contains hydrogen and helium atoms. They also say that it has a magnetic field. But magnetic fields mean moving charges. Hydrogen and helium are electrically neutral, not charged. So there is more than those atoms in that cloud. There's plasma -- moving charged matter and fascinating electromagnetic fields.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
This article from the NASA website was also used in the video in order to explain the "interstellar cloud" that we are entering into currently, according to NASA's Voyager research. This cloud is equated with the Photon Belt in the OP video.

uuugh, I just cringe when anything is posted from NASA. How can we be sure that what they state is even accurate? Please don't take it personal....I appreciate you taking the time to pull this up.....it's just a source I struggle to trust especially on this topic, as I know jack crap, lol. Help me out here..

[jagman]

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
This article from the NASA website was also used in the video in order to explain the "interstellar cloud" that we are entering into currently, according to NASA's Voyager research. This cloud is equated with the Photon Belt in the OP video.

uuugh, I just cringe when anything is posted from NASA. How can we be sure that what they state is even accurate? Please don't take it personal....I appreciate you taking the time to pull this up.....it's just a source I struggle to trust especially on this topic, as I know jack crap, lol. Help me out here..

Rahkyt was helping me out with a question I posed earlier in the thread. Everyone knows Nasa puts out alot of bogus info but For myself, When I investigate a topic
I try to look at has many sources has possible. Then I try to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I am going to have fun with this on December 22nd. I love humor!

I can't wait.

[we-R-one]

Posted by jagman (here)
Rahkyt was helping me out with a question I posed earlier in the thread. Everyone knows Nasa puts out alot of bogus info but For myself, When I investigate a topic I try to look at has many sources has possible. Then I try to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

Thanks Jagman, I was thinking that after I posted.....I guess that's the only way, but then again, unless you know anything about the source, it's hard to identify who's giving you truth and who's giving you fiction especially when the topic requires a scientific background at a level that most of us haven't acquired. I'm no astrologist there-by making the process of sifting through this type of information all the more challenging .

By the way, did you take out the trash today and recycle? Just checkin.........lmao

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I am going to have fun with this on December 22nd. I love humor!

I can't wait.

usually no one is excited about my birthday, it's always Christmas...

this year parties worldwide!!!

[jagman]

Im going to train my cat to take my trash out missy lol Then i will post it on youtube. here kitty kitty

[Wind]

I've been always been highly intuitive (both curse & gift) and for the last few days I've been feeling intense energy flow. I really can't say that what it is, but I do know that it feels good. It makes me feel joyous and tired at the same time. I know that I'm not the only one having these feelings. The Dark Brothers are trying to hold our energies down by bombarding us with really negative news. Well, it ain't working anymore. Their time is over, they just don't want to admit it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by StarSeed (here)
I've been always been highly intuitive (both curse & gift) and for the last few days I've been feeling intense energy flow. I really can't say that what it is, but I do know that it feels good. It makes me feel joyous and tired at the same time. I know that I'm not the only one having these feelings. The Dark Brothers are trying to hold our energies down by bombarding us with really negative news. Well, it ain't working anymore. Their time is over, they just don't want admit it.

it is overwelming...

I opened a beer thread because I feel almost drunk...

haven't been drinking in I don't remember...

the ancient Kings insights passed to me when my BOI passed making me King David, I suddenly had ancient knowing, and everywhere I looked it made sense...

I felt like this back then, was this the first level and there is a higher? are all of you at Avalon, joining me in this energy rise since our Spirits are connected?


we came here to "be" at this moment in time...


are we all on a spaceship called 5th Dimension, in Sleep chambers playing a reality game to keep our minds sharp...


The game comes to an end as we approach the planet...


what if in a few days this game ends and we walk into a virgin world...


no pollution, no oil, no weapons or wars no Bankers or Politicians...




(I just looked up and this was post 77 and I've been Thanked 13,333 times)


so many synchronicities hitting one after another...

[jagman]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by StarSeed (here)
I've been always been highly intuitive (both curse & gift) and for the last few days I've been feeling intense energy flow. I really can't say that what it is, but I do know that it feels good. It makes me feel joyous and tired at the same time. I know that I'm not the only one having these feelings. The Dark Brothers are trying to hold our energies down by bombarding us with really negative news. Well, it ain't working anymore. Their time is over, they just don't want admit it.

it is overwelming...

I opened a beer thread because I feel almost drunk...

haven't been drinking in I don't remember...

the ancient Kings insights passed to me when my BOI passed making me King David, I suddenly had ancient knowing, and everywhere I looked it made sense...

I felt like this back then, was this the first level and there is a higher? are all of you at Avalon, joining me in this energy rise since our Spirits are connected?


we came here to "be" at this moment in time...


are we all on a spaceship called 5th Dimension, in Sleep chambers playing a reality game to keep our minds sharp...


The game comes to an end as we approach the planet...


what if in a few days this game ends and we walk into a virgin world...


no pollution, no oil, no weapons or wars no Bankers or Politicians...




(I just looked up and this was post 77 and I've been Thanked 13,333 times)


so many synchronicities hitting one after another...

Spoiler alert: 13334 times. sorry back to topic

[Chester]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
but this does not negate the astrology or the energetic effects.

Well, the extent and nature of those energetic effects seems subject to some debate .

I have both feet rather firmly planted in the present 3D "seems real to me" physical world, so I'm biased that way. But from my view, the energetic effects are being substantially overplayed and/or misrepresented in much of what we read regarding 2012.

===

P.S. -- In other words, it seems (from the above) that Bill would say there are no such energetic effects that are of special interest for Dec 21, 2012, whereas I would say that there are no such effects that I've noticed (while admitting to be a bit thick skulled on such matters.)

Hi Paul, me thinks this is where Hollywood propaganda has grossly distorted this whole deal. A large part of that distortion is the extreme focus on this particular day, which is absurd. Whoever is going to feel the effects of this astrological event, (which is what I think may be the basis of David Icke's truth vibrations) will already have been "feeling" them for some time now. They will also be felt long after the 21st. There will be no difference on the 20th, from the 22nd, same as no one feels any different on the day before their birthday, than they do the day after. This is not a "lightning strike", to borrow from Carmody's post.

By the way Bill, I'm still talking to you too here brother. (LOL) Just singling Paul out for the quote. So let me see if I have this straight here. Because Hollywood, and the dancing around naked New Age movement have taken science, astronomy, and astrology, and turned this whole event into a freak show of disinformation, we're supposed to assume the whole lot is a load of steaming bullspit?

Most of us are not psychic, have not seen a reptilian, a worm hole, or a ghost, yet we do not disdain the ideas of these experiences, just because we have not had them ourselves. Now personally speaking, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt something is going on energetically, and so do a lot of others. A rapidly expanding field of consciousness is tough to ignore, whether the cause be individual, or something more general.

You know it's funny, because I'm not even a 2012 guy, yet I find myself here in the odd position of being it's defender, and possibly earning meself a 2012 stooge label. But I really do feel like I'm witnessing a very real, long term event, which is worthy of discussion here, being summarily dismissed based on what I think is an extremely effective disinformation campaign. We do have the baby/bathwater combination going here. Either that, or crazy old Uncle Freddie needs to be relegated to the channeling section.

Cheers,
Uncle Fred

I think you are very sensitive to others and that you are picking up on others energies... so I don't think you are goofy at all. If people get all wound up on hype, they are still wound up. I just think you are feeling it... and that we all (well most of us) want a big change and for the positive... and you are feeling it.

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Astronomers call the cloud we're running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" for short. It's about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

"The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the 'crushing action' of the hot gas around it," says Opher.

[...]

Thanks for the informative post, Rahkyt.

They say this interstellar cloud contains hydrogen and helium atoms. They also say that it has a magnetic field. But magnetic fields mean moving charges. Hydrogen and helium are electrically neutral, not charged. So there is more than those atoms in that cloud. There's plasma -- moving charged matter and fascinating electromagnetic fields.

The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

Me thinks they are considering a "closed" system whereas, in space, when astronauts "push" on something, the "something" goes in one direction and "they" get propelled in the opposite direction... the so-called "equal reaction." So, if "equal" pressure is applied from every side of the "Local Fluff," then the surrounding "supernova exhaust" pushes itself outward and keeps the "Local Fluff" integral.

The actual problem, then, becomes how that "supernova exhaust" managed to surround the "Local Fluff?"

the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" [...] contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C.

I don't know about you but, to me, that's "HOT." Which, in turns, means that atomic agitation is quite significant and, may be, significant enough to ionized these atomic particles and, therefore, generate an inherent magnetic field from "agitated" ionized particles?

Yet, "they" (NASA) say that this "Local Fluff" is composed of "neutral," uncharged particles... ???

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Of course, "they" (NASA) still have to integrate the "Electric Universe" in their models and which the above seems to belong to as well as "cold fusion" type of phenomena, as opposed to their "hot" stuff, to produce what's observed.