Have you ever met an MKULTRA victim or similar?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hello again.

I wanted to ask the above question: have you ever met a monarch or mkultra style government slave?

If so and if you feel comfortable speaking, did this person speak to you about the past? Any weird stuff come up? Childhood and military experience should be interesting.

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When I was a little girl, I lived on a farm in Kentucky. That comes with its own challenges.

My second cousin, who was a grown man, had not been given that privilege. He grew up in Ohio, neglected and tortured under the watch of the local police by his overbearing father. Every once in a while, this cousin would find a reason to visit the farm and see us kids. He seemed to enjoy nature and art, but nothing else except maybe hiking with us kids.

Well, when I grew up, I heard a little more about this chap.
Apparently my understanding of torture was insufficient to describe his experience.

When my cousin was not even 12 years old, his father heated a nail until it was nearly glowing, and please forgive me for saying this, but he put it up my cousin's nose. Let's just call this guy Bret. Bret's dad came up with a new torture and he ended up putting the hot nail up his own son's nose. This resulted in the complete loss of Bret's sense of smell, (smell is known to anchor people to places of childhood memory!).

Before that happened to Bret, I was told that he had been burned as a toddler too. His father made him aware of the dangers of gas heat by burning some of the skin off of Brets baby hands while the gas powered range was fired up. The only reason Bret knew about this was a baby picture showing bandages all over his hands.

edit: (bret was sodomized at college by a counselor also i forgot to mention)

This kind of torture, and lots of sick games like timed challenges, is what defined Bret's life -- until the shadow gov got ahold of him. He joined an agency somewhat unlike the other "alphabet" agencies we know of. It had no name. It had no number. His job was picking up dead drops, meeting spies for information drops, and providing escort to valuables, as far as I can tell. He also knew low light extreme depth diving and the like in order to be able to repair things -- what things, don't ask me -- you'd be better off looking at the Illuminati card deck than asking me what kind of machines Bret worked on down there in the dark.

I asked him if the local police knew or tried to stop the torture occurring at home.
He said that they were part of it, that the chief knew his father and didn't care.
Then Bret ended up being snatched up by special ops because of his talents.

He told me the reason was "his reaction are faster than normal people".
You can imagine I spent a lot of time thinking about that. What did he mean?
Does he mean, that he anticipates the movements of others, or he is just fast?
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But anyway, the conclusion: the evil dad died, the cousin was cut out of the living will, he still works odd high security jobs although no more spy stuff iirc. He lost his fortune trying to manufacture in China while playing Blackjack in USA.

But the point of it all was, do you know anyone who got snatched up out of unspeakable torture and put into a job NO one else could do?



Have you guys seen the movie HANNAH? about the little girl assassin?
I have not seen it yet but from what I heard it's a decent place to start for understanding how some people are raised.

For example, my own father took me hunting and we rarely bonded in other ways.
I've heard this has some ill effects psychically.

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p.s. did you know that NOAA facilitates exchanges between spies?

edit: what got me onto this: Kennedy assassinations, sleepwalking research and mind control, schizophrenia and ambulatory parasomnia, my cousin , current events, and a book that mentioned Sirhan Sirhan.

Also I've taken an interest in "isolation" cases like Loughner, Donovan, Brievik, Holmes, and other kids who played games then killed.

I wanna know more about SSRI killers also as this almost happened to me on a drug called Citalopram.

[Shade]

I was hitchhiking once in country NSW and I came across someone who appeared to be working for the military and had been 'messed with'. I was going through a town which had a huge military base in it and basically the whole town was made of soldiers. One of them picked me up hitchhiking and kindly gave me a very long ride. He went quite out of his way actually and we had a very interesting chat along the way. From what I remember, he had been specially trained out there for something or another, he spoke of mind control and had an obviously messed up perception of time. He was telling me about some training camp in South Africa as well and there was a military leader out there called Enki who had trained them all who he said had control over 'a billion' (people). It was really weird actually but at that point I wasn't too concerned with 'weird' as I am mighty 'weird' myself and hitching around country had upped my tolerance for it. He had an obviously distorted idea of time and I could read in him that his memory had been messed with and he had been programmed as well. Either that or he was a civilian who was in a psychotic state or amidst a mental illness - could have been either really.

The next person who gave me a ride along the way was my local member for parliament who was as far away from home as I was. He gave me $20 and shook my hand. A vote was bought that day ; ). No actually I appreciated it, I needed it : ) and he knew it.

Oh and how's this for funny - once on another trip I got picked up in the outback by a home travel butcher... he had a van and all his butchering cleavers and knives were hanging along the dash LOL. Meanwhile I'll just get a lift from him into the outback. He was a very nice man and I didn't feel scared at all. : D. He told me all about the business. He was just nice.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thanks for that!

Enki, hmm, wasn't the husband of the Queen of the Damned named Enkil?


In Anne Rice's book. And indeed the Queen had control over "a billion people" or more -- women!

But back to MKULTRA: yeah I suppose some of the people are LYING (even my cousin i guess).
I met a few homeless women who seemed to have been "gotten to" as you describe the man above.

Do you know what it means to be near someone who oraculates? I came across one homeless chick (older) who told different stories/secrets based on who was near her physically. This was a one-time experience, but the strange thing was, she used so many words that you guys and I would know, when I went near her, about the things we talk about on these sites, but she was not on the internet that i ever saw -- how could she know all this? She even knew things about my family (or at least what they talk about).

Have you met someone who knows too much about you or others, or someone who WANTS to know too much?
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edit: someone's CIA thread recently posted here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...137#post600137

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wallpaper used for research purposes, taken from Arkham City ads

wanted to add some links (if that doesn't break rules!!!!!!!!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
Wikipedia's entry on official project mkultra declassified (partly)

Project MKUltra was the code name for a covert research operation experimenting in the behavioral engineering of humans (mind control) through the CIA's Scientific Intelligence Division. The program began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967 and "officially halted" in 1973.[1] The program engaged in many illegal activities[2][3][4]; in particular it used unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy.[5][6][7][8] MKUltra involved the use of many methodologies to manipulate people's individual mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture.[9]

Kathy O'brien (you've heard of her somewhere -- story won't die because it's true):

Project Monarch

O'Brien claims to have been recruited against her will by the CIA and her abusive father as a child, through a network of child pornographers he was involved with, and forced to participate in a mind control program named Project Monarch, which is said to be a subsection of Project MKULTRA and Project ARTICHOKE.[2][3][4][5] Despite scholarly investigation of the MKULTRA program, there is no evidence for the existence of Project Monarch except for O'Brien's testimony.[5]

Cathleen Ann O'Brien (born December 4, 1957, Muskegon, Michigan[1]) is an American who claims to be a victim of Project MKULTRA, a program funded by the Central Intelligence Agency to research the use of drugs for intelligence purposes.[2][3][4][5][6] O'Brien made these claims in Trance Formation of America (1995) and Access Denied: For Reasons of National Security (2004) which she co-authored with her husband Mark Phillips.[6] O'Brien is one of many people publicly claiming to have survived "CIA mind control" programs.

Entertainment and the tracking of subjects:

James Holmes
Anders Brievik
Jared Loughner
Able Seaman Donovan

"faraway look"
"gaming addict"
"all he did was play games and listen to music"
"he had a detached look in his eyes as though he were playing a game and not shooting people"

Persons who have broken silence about mind control recently:
Sirhan Sirhan
James Holmes
persons involved in investigation re: psychowarfare against senators by military intelligence

etc.

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What is Monarch Programming?
Can someone please explain what Monarch Programing is in the simplest way possible? also explain what methods they use and how it relates to The Wizard of Oz. Anything will help, I've found a lot of things on it but i can't understand them. (This all started because I wanted to understand the song Brick By Boring Brick by Paramore)
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Monarch programming is a system of brainwashing created by the CIA in like the fifties. They use children's movies like the wizard of oz as triggers, and as an example of how they want their victim to think.
They want them to be thinking in a weird wonderland/oz way, because that way they're easier to control.

It doesn't actually have much to do with monarchy I don't think, it's because the symbol is the monarch butterfly. Because they transform their victim's personalities into something unrecognizable.

as for what methods they use, they use pain, unimaginable, unbearable pain, whether it's mental or physical. pain so bad, you have to dissociate with reality to survive it. Which is what you do when you step into that wonderland/oz mentality. but once you're there, you are very easy to program (like a computer)...and you won't remember after-wards, until you're triggered to do whatever it is they want.
Source(s):
Rhianna's Russian Roulette shows her going through the painful beginning part.
Kerli's Walking on Air shows an example of what it's like to undergo the programing.
Lady Gaga's telephone shows what it's like once you're fully programmed and you go on a mission.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2806

[Shade]

Ok you might be getting sick of my anecdotes right now.. lol I sound like an old fart before my time don't I...

But I think people in psychosis and other altered mind states can get like that sometimes (oractulatory). I was on a bus once and some guy was a few seats in front of me, the ones facing inwards at the front and he had full on tourettes as well as some kind of psychosis going on and he was just rambling to himself. And I'm like listening in and he starts going on about quartz crystals and when you press them electricity comes out. And I really wanted to like say out loud yeah mate that's right, it's piezoelectricity, and also to the rest of the bus who just thought he was talking nonsense. LOL like just turn around and support the tourettes man in front. "yeah so listen in and you might learn something, strangers on the bus" (nodding). And then just after he got off, he said hello to the man getting on, like they were well acquainted. This new man was wearing underpants and a singlet, carrying a squeegee and a small bucket of change. As he walked in he lifted up his singlet displaying his Y fronts for the entire bus to see, proclaiming "yeah I'm wearing underpants get a good look everyone, that's right (ladies)". I don't think my story had a point, did it. Maybe I am oraculating.

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Posted by Shade (here)
Ok you might be getting sick of my anecdotes right now.. lol I sound like an old fart before my time don't I...

But I think people in psychosis and other altered mind states can get like that sometimes (oractulatory). I was on a bus once and some guy was a few seats in front of me, the ones facing inwards at the front and he had full on tourettes as well as some kind of psychosis going on and he was just rambling to himself. And I'm like listening in and he starts going on about quartz crystals and when you press them electricity comes out. And I really wanted to like say out loud yeah mate that's right, it's piezoelectricity, and also to the rest of the bus who just thought he was talking nonsense. LOL like just turn around and support the tourettes man in front. "yeah so listen in and you might learn something, strangers on the bus" (nodding). And then just after he got off, he said hello to the man getting on, like they were well acquainted. This new man was wearing underpants and a singlet, carrying a squeegee and a small bucket of change. As he walked in he lifted up his singlet displaying his Y fronts for the entire bus to see, proclaiming "yeah I'm wearing underpants get a good look everyone, that's right (ladies)". I don't think my story had a point, did it. Maybe I am oraculating.

get them all in the same room and i guarantee some sort of strangeness will manifest lol

[Kari Lynn]

I'm not sure of all the programs out there, but I know there are a bunch. And, that many of them are sub named programs of many others. Such as the GMP' (genetically modified personnel) or perhaps better known, though inaccurately named, Super Soldiers. Monarch or MK Ultera are but one program of many these persons are placed into. As well a many agencies and countries as well. They get traded back and forth when and as needed.
I have known at least 3 persons, as well a myself that have been in these assorted progrsms their entire life, and military life as well. I have been verified only one of programs I've been in, which is Oak Tree program. I have memories of other milab incidents or programs, but not sure the name. It is much the same for the friends I know of also.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

thank you for sharing that!

i've wondered too about Supersoldier programs.
we have autism on the one hand, but what's on the other side that we don't get to see?

and what about alleles being activated by vaccines, etc.?

much too little on the public record for my taste

[Kari Lynn]

It's interesting you should mention alleles.
Though I have not had my dna tested to know my own, my aunt has, and she has an extra allele on her dna. (not quite sure how to explain that properly, so hope you understand what I'm getting at. Lol) She can't give blood to any one else or they will die. Like wise she will also if given any one elses blood but her own. Her blood is like poison to anyone else, and she herself wil die without that extra allele.

I also spoke with a young woman that was taken to a milab facility at ironton Mt, in northern Michigan. My family used to camp and go on mine tours there probably 15 to 20 years earlier. She said she was monarch, though I'm not sure if she has documented verification of that. (may be a verbal hunch by other members)
Any way, I found the coincidence interesting. And the fact that of the week stay while camping there as a youngster, I only remember one day and only the mine tour. I can't even remember setting up camp, tent, or sleeping...which is odd.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I saw a young man staring at me once in a thrift store -- he carried an XMEN origins comic toward me and set it in a place I eventually passed and looked at.
Too busy buying knick knacks for ebay to care about him, but the gesture was not wasted.

I kind of wonder sometimes -- beacon? Vibe? Chemistry?

the allele thing you mention, amazing!

i was concerned somewhat in the past about the 9-repeat allele (native american schizophrenia) because 25% of troops are natives or something.

[Snookie]

One odd occurrence I saw happened back around 2007. A couple of my co-workers were standing outside our office building on a break.

We saw this lady who looked dazed, confused & disheveled. Next thing I see is a cop going up to her. She wasn't doing anything wrong. He starts interrogating her. One of the first questions he asked her was "What day is it?" She didn't know. Then he asks her "What month is it"? She said "February" it was actually July. As soon as she said that, they pulled out their handcuffs and tried to take her in. She tried fighting and getting away, saying "why are you doing this to me?, what did I do"? They ended up handcuffing her & taking her away.

I just found it to be a very bizarre incident, and I remember wondering at the time if she could have been mind contoled. It seemed to me that they were looking for her, like she had been reported missing or something - very strange!

[torti]

Posted by Snookie (here)
I just found it to be a very bizarre incident, and I remember wondering at the time if she could have been mind contoled. It seemed to me that they were looking for her, like she had been reported missing or something - very strange!

It is a scary thought that we can be controlled. But if they have to set up special organizations, to "learn" to do these things, rest assured, there are those amongst us, who without training, can free us.

[thunder24]

I used to have a roomate that was part of the twin studies for MkUltra, 50's-60's, him and his brother would have electrodes put on head and brain waves monitored as one was given a drug and the other nothing.... brain waves would change of the one not given the drug in alignment with brain waves of the one that was giving a drug. They were adopted by an airforce family....they are from OHIO!

We've all heard of Cathy O'brein and know her story... She also went to charm school, I think it was in Youngstown Ohio according to her book, and interviews. I found her to be a very pleasant and caring person when we met...

peace

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

that is very creepy. to say the least!

anyone notice any "unauthorized testing" in elementary school?
or high school for that matter?

kids with frequent absences or medical needs?

interesting stuff @.@

[Flash]

Posted by Shade (here)
I was hitchhiking once in country NSW and I came across someone who appeared to be working for the military and had been 'messed with'. I was going through a town which had a huge military base in it and basically the whole town was made of soldiers. One of them picked me up hitchhiking and kindly gave me a very long ride. He went quite out of his way actually and we had a very interesting chat along the way. From what I remember, he had been specially trained out there for something or another, he spoke of mind control and had an obviously messed up perception of time. He was telling me about some training camp in South Africa as well and there was a military leader out there called Enki who had trained them all who he said had control over 'a billion' (people). It was really weird actually but at that point I wasn't too concerned with 'weird' as I am mighty 'weird' myself and hitching around country had upped my tolerance for it. He had an obviously distorted idea of time and I could read in him that his memory had been messed with and he had been programmed as well. Either that or he was a civilian who was in a psychotic state or amidst a mental illness - could have been either really.

The next person who gave me a ride along the way was my local member for parliament who was as far away from home as I was. He gave me $20 and shook my hand. A vote was bought that day ; ). No actually I appreciated it, I needed it : ) and he knew it.

Oh and how's this for funny - once on another trip I got picked up in the outback by a home travel butcher... he had a van and all his butchering cleavers and knives were hanging along the dash LOL. Meanwhile I'll just get a lift from him into the outback. He was a very nice man and I didn't feel scared at all. : D. He told me all about the business. He was just nice.

this story is very interesting. I correspond with what some say about Enki, who would have been playing with our genes, to make us subservient, some many thousands years ago, and could still be on earth. Controlling 1 billion people would probably be possible if the story of Enki has any truth in it. The place would correspond with potential Enki's place as well in Africa.

[thunder24]

My roomate said he was flown to the university of Miami, that he rememebers, but says there were other places they went but was so young doesn't remember. i would assume some were during school.

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
that is very creepy. to say the least!

anyone notice any "unauthorized testing" in elementary school?
or high school for that matter?

kids with frequent absences or medical needs?

interesting stuff @.@

[Kari Lynn]

anyone notice any "unauthorized testing" in elementary school?
or high school for that matter?

Bingo! Yes indeed! When I was in elementary school, a lady who said she was the school counselor removed me from school and took me to the dentist. He removed my tooth. I remember being upset that he pulled my new big grown up tooth.
Later in years I talked to my mom about the incident. She told me, "i took you to all your appointments. The counselor don t take kids to their appointments." I thought she was just forgetful for the longest time, until my mom became a foster parent and I became a parent myself.
Then when my two youngest boys were in elementary school, the teachers removed them from school with out my permission or knowledge to "buy them shoes" mind you these boys don't need or want for cloths. My mother gets cloths for them free. Plus I had just bought new shoes for them a month earlier.
Boys say that is what the teachers did. And show no signs of missing time, but they were young. If anything did happen, I suspect they wont come to realize it until later in life.

[witchy1]

Hi Kari Lynn, what did the teacher say when you approached him/her about allegedly buying shoes for your children??? Did the kids have new shoes?? Had other parents noticed similar activities with their children.
and how did your Mum not notice your tooth missing?

In the 60's and 70's those in authority could do anything without consequences. I know my Mum was too busy raising my siblings to check up on me at school. She never drove and we were rural. I took the bus to school. I guess I just fended for myself and did what I was told like a good girl. You learn quick!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thank you for sharing those stories.
It's not fun to talk about this and I hope no one feels bad!

[Kari Lynn]

I approached the principle about it. More in a manner of making sure that they knew that my boys had gotten 5 brand new shoes for school in the 4 months between September through the beginng of December. He assured me they didn't think my boys weren't provided for, that they did it to cheer my middle son. He had stepped in a mud puddle and was upset to tears he had gotten his shoes wet. I questioned my boys about where they went shopping with the teachers. If they wee taken any place else. But seems to appear they only went shopping. If any thing did happen, it may take years for memory to surface.
No other kids were taken out. Just my boys.


I don't recall my mom ever asking about the dentist visit. And when I got home at normal time, having rode the bus home, like typical kid, I ran off and played. No pain or discomfort. I didn't mention it to her until I was in high school.