Next Friday every Friday, the combining thread

[lookbeyond]

weeell i guess ill mention this here, i usually hav tinnitus in my left ear mostly at night but lately its more of a chorus of bells? Sorry, im not crazy but its really persistent in the past week-i certainly prefer the sound of bells than the other!

lb

[araucaria]

I’d just like to add a few things to my earlier post. While Bill’s 24/7 business as usual approach is the major ingredient of the mix, and the right one for a forum owner to be bringing to the table, flour is 99% of bread, but not without a little yeast I just don’t see us getting where we want to take this without a dose of yeast, and if not Friday some other time, some other way.

Another Hitler rant is not the answer. These can be funny, once or twice, but in an unfunny, kneejerk sort of way. To put supposed words of wisdom into the mouth of a raving, albeit defeated dictator, warmonger and mass murderer of the worst kind is a far cry from what Chaplin does in The Great Dictator, which is truly magical. This on the other hand is rather like jazzing up a funeral march and playing it as wedding music: it may sound great, but it also sends out horribly inappropriate signals.

The philosopher Henri Bergson defines laughter as being triggered when the mechanical is slapped onto the living, e.g. when someone slips on a banana skin. The laughter this provokes can be seen as a momentary lapse in human empathy. For me, the barking German corporal – ve have vays of making you laugh – falls into this category. Chaplin’s ‘rant’ is thus counter-intuitively the exact opposite of the comic effect since it is a momentary stirring of human empathy on what would be a vast scale in the real world, but was only the sweet daydreaming of a cinema clown. What I am looking for in some kind of ‘event’, I don’t care when, where, or who, is when this sort of mechanism is triggered in the real world.

Bill, from the Simon thread:

Thanks, Guys, for giving Simon such a warm welcome. His information (besides being challenging in every way!) is most important for everyone to try to understand.

Respectffully, given that this information includes a specific occurrence on a specific day (Friday) and at a specific time (12 noon), and that Cern is in the business of reducing the effect thereof, I should be interested to hear why it would be important for everyone not to try to understand that

[Mark]

My pleasure, Paul, great points you and AZ make. Take the article for what it is worth, WRO, I offer the information only for consideration, as it is pretty much standard now in mainstream and alternative science. Your concerns, given the history of NASA, are valid.

Since this topic was also mentioned in the OP video, the effects of magnetic fields and memory, I will post some research pertaining to it. There is a LOT of information out there on this topic. There was more on depression and suicide as well as using magnetic fields to treat certain disorders, but I concentrated primarily upon finding resources pertaining to the brain and memory specifically. According to the papers and articles below, the strength and position of magnetic fields can and does affect memory, spatial orientation and behavior.

Not only that, but, according to the last article - which I post in full due to its importance according to the OP and general statements about the shifting energetic orientation of this planet - magnetic fields can and do affect morality.

Changes in brain memory functions as affected by a constant magnetic field.
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psyc...earch.html#FSU

Abstract
Effects of CMF on memory processes in adult volunteers (non-sleep vs hypnotic condition) has been studied at laboratory and clinical conditions. The results point out that CMF changes the interhemispheric relations and result in memory malfunction. The malfunction of memory activity in volunteers after action of CMF was influenced by two factors: magnetic field position under different brain areas and functional status of volunteers: awake or hypnotic.

The effect of a 50 Hz magnetic field on cognitive function in humans.
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9798957

Abstract
OBJECTIVES:
To examine whether the power frequency magnetic field of 0.6mT applied to humans has an effect on cognitive function as has been suggested by animal studies. These fields are less than the suggested intervention level in the UK of 1.6mT and are similar to those found close to some domestic appliances.
METHOD AND MATERIALS:
A randomized three-way cross-over design using a battery of computerized cognitive function tests were used in the presence or absence of a 50Hz or static magnetic field. Sixteen healthy volunteers undertook two training and three test sessions with a 50Hz or static 0.6 mT magnetic field from a set of coils centred on the head.
RESULTS:
In response to the 50 Hz field, disruptions of accuracy were seen from an attentional task (the ability to correctly recognize words shown 20min previously and the ability to maintain a string of digits in working memory). There was no similar response to comparable levels of static magnetic field.
CONCLUSIONS:
These tests indicated at least temporary deterioration in attention, and working and secondary memory performance while a 50 Hz field is applied. There were no adverse effects on speed from any of the tasks. It was not possible in this study to be sure if these effects were persistent.

Biomagnetics: Considerations Relevant to Manned Space Flight, NASA Contract Report CR-889
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psyc...earch.html#FSU

Magnetic field reduction. In an early study to investigate the possible effects of reduced magnetic fields on astronauts as a result of space travel, mice were kept in mu-metal containers which greatly reduced exposure to the earth's magnetic field. "In contrast to the normally thriving control[s] ... the mice in the mu-metal cylinders have presented a characteristic, rather bizarre, picture." "At an early age, large numbers of mu-metal mice have become docile and inactive. Many mice exhibited the highly unusual behavior of lying on their back for prolonged periods of time."

Chronic exposure to 2.9 mT, 40 Hz magnetic field reduces melatonin concentrations in humans.
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psyc...earch.html#FSU

Abstract
Diurnal rhythm of serum melatonin concentrations was estimated in 12 men with low back pain syndrome before and after exposure to a very low-frequency magnetic field (2.9 mT, 40 Hz, square wave, bipolar). Patients were exposed to the magnetic field for 3 weeks (20 min per day, 5 days per week) either in the morning (at 10:00 hr) or in the late afternoon (at 18:00 hr). Significant depression in nocturnal melatonin rise was observed regardless of the time of exposure. This phenomenon was characteristic for all the subjects, although the percent of inhibition of melatonin secretion varied among the studied individuals.

Labyrinthectomy abolishes the behavioral and neural response of rats to a high-strength static magnetic field
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psyc...earch.html#FSU

Abstract
Vertigo is a commonly-reported side effect of exposure to the high magnetic fields found in magnetic resonance imaging machines. Although it has been hypothesized that high magnetic fields interact with the vestibular apparatus of the inner ear, there has been no direct evidence establishing its role in magnet-induced vertigo. Our laboratory has shown that following exposure to high magnetic fields, rats walk in circles, acquire a conditioned taste aversion (CTA), and express c-Fos in vestibular and visceral relays of the brainstem, consistent with vestibular stimulation and vertigo or motion sickness. To determine if the inner ear is required for these effects, rats were chemically labyrinthectomized with sodium arsanilate and tested for locomotor circling, CTA acquisition, and c-Fos induction after exposure within a 14.1 T magnet. Intact rats circled counterclockwise after 30-min exposure to 14.1 T, but labyrinthectomized rats showed no increase in circling after magnetic field exposure. After 3 pairings of 0.125% saccharin with 30-min exposure at 14.1 T, intact rats acquired a profound CTA that persisted for 14 days of extinction testing; labyrinthectomized rats, however, did not acquire a CTA and showed a high preference for saccharin similar to sham-exposed rats. Finally, significant c-Fos was induced in the brainstem of intact rats by 30-min exposure to 14.1 T, but magnetic field exposure did not elevate c-Fos in labyrinthectomized rats above sham-exposed levels. These results demonstrate that an intact inner ear is necessary for all the observed effects of exposure to high magnetic fields in rats.

Magnetic fields mimic the behavioral effects of REM sleep deprivation in humans.
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psyc...earch.html#FSU

Abstract
The discovery of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep by Aserinsky and Kleitman in 1953 initiated the impetus for sleep research and specifically the investigations of the effects of REM sleep deprivation (RSD) on animal and human behavior. The behavioral effects of RSD include the enhancement of motivational and "drive"-related behaviors. In laboratory animals, RSD has been reported to increase appetite, sexual behavior, aggressiveness, and locomotor activity. Moreover, RSD reportedly improves mood in patients with endogenous depression and heightens appetite and sexual interest in normal subjects. Since "drive"-related behaviors are thought to involve activation of limbic dopaminergic reward sites, RSD may enhance motivational behaviors through an action on limbic dopaminergic functions. In the present communication, we present two patients (one with multiple sclerosis and the other with Parkinson's disease) in whom treatment with magnetic fields produced behavioral effects which paralleled those observed in REM-sleep-deprived animals and humans. We propose, therefore, that the behavioral and mental effects of treatment with magnetic fields may be mediated via RSD and, by inference, involve activation of limbic dopaminergic reward sites.

Magnetic fields: Memory effects
Source: http://www.spectroscopynow.com/detai...html?tzcheck=1

Concerns about the effects on healthcare professional, maintenance and engineering staff and evening cleaners have been raised with regards to exposure to the strong magnetic fields generated by MRI instruments.

A small-scale study published in the journal Occupational and Environmental Medicine, published by the British Medical Journal group, looked at the effects on 31 healthy volunteers of exposure to a 7 Tesla MRI magnetic field. The researchers allowed the volunteers to make standard head movements while they exposed them to one of three electromagnetic field strengths from what is described as a heavy-duty MRI scanner. For such a machine the magnetic field is present even when the instrument is not in use.

The team of Hans Kromhout at the Institute for Risk Assessment Sciences, at Utrecht University in The Netherlands, and colleagues carried out exposure at levels of zero (sham), 0.5 (medium), and 1 (high) Tesla, in a random order, one week apart for the volunteers. The experiment was of a double-blind randomised crossover design. The volunteers apparently experienced temporarily lower concentration and spatial-visual awareness during the experiments as evaluated by tests carried out after each exposure level. The researchers set the volunteers twelve timed cognitive tasks, which were designed to assess the ability of the volunteers to carry out tasks associated with the sorts of skills needed by a surgeon or other healthcare professional working in the vicinity of an MRI scanner. The tests included visual tracking and movement, as well as more general functions, such as attention, concentration and working memory. The tests were neutral in that they didn't test intelligence nor were they dependents on practice for success.

Of the 31 volunteers, 30 completed all three sessions. When compared to the control group, with zero filed, the researchers observed that more general functions, such as attention and concentration and visuospatial awareness were significantly affected in those exposed to the magnetic fields while carrying out standard head movements. For complex mental tasks, reaction and disengagement times were longer, the team says, varying from 5 to 21% at the higher the level of Tesla exposure. The researchers suggest that complex tasks rely on the brain's working memory and that this is affected detrimentally during exposure to the strong magnetic field.

The team reports that non-verbal memory does not seem to be affected by exposure to the high magnetic field but there was temporary decline in verbal memory, although only at a borderline level of significance. The team reports that for those volunteers exposed to the strongest magnetic field several physical symptoms were also reported, such as a metallic taste in the mouth (12 people), dizziness (6), headache (5), and nausea (1).

MAGNETS CAN MANIPULATE MORALITY
Source: http://news.discovery.com/tech/magne...-morality.html

Magnets can alter a person's sense of morality, according to a new report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Using a powerful magnetic field, scientists from MIT, Harvard University and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center are able to scramble the moral center of the brain, making it more difficult for people to separate innocent intentions from harmful outcomes. The research could have big implications for not only neuroscientists, but also for judges and juries.

"It's one thing to 'know' that we'll find morality in the brain," said Liane Young, a scientist at MIT and co-author of the article. "It's another to 'knock out' that brain area and change people's moral judgments."

Before the scientists could alter the brain's moral center, they first had to find it.

Young and her colleagues used functional magnetic resonance imaging to locate an area of the brain known as the right temporo-parietal junction (RTPJ) which other studies had previously related to moral judgments. While muscle movement, language and even memory are found in the same place in each individual, the RTPJ, located behind and above the ear, resides in a slightly different location in each person.

For their experiment, the scientists had 20 subjects read several dozen different stories about people with good or bad intentions that resulted in a variety of outcomes.

One typical story was about a boyfriend who leads his girlfriend across a bridge. In some versions, the boyfriend harmlessly walked his girlfriend across the bridge with no ill effect. In other cases, the boyfriend intentionally led the girlfriend along so she would break her ankle. The subjects used a seven point scale -- one being forbidden and seven completely permissible -- to record whether they through the situation was morally acceptable or not.

While the subjects read the story, the scientists applied a magnetic field using a method known as transcranial magnetic stimulation. The magnetic fields created confusion in the neurons that make up the RTPJ, said Young, causing them to fire off electrical pulses chaotically.

The confusion in the brain made it harder for subjects to interpret the boyfriend's intent, said Young, and instead made the subjects focus solely on the situation's outcome. The effect was temporary and safe.

When no magnetic field was applied, the subjects focused more on the boyfriend's good intentions, rather than a bad outcome. When a magnetic field was applied to the RTPJ, the subjects consistently focused on a bad outcome, rather than the intention, and rated the story as more morally objectionable.

The scientists didn't permanently remove the subjects moral sensibilities. On the scientists' seven point scale, the difference was about one point and averaged out to about a 15 percent change. It's not much, said Young, "but it's still striking to see such a change in such high level behavior as moral decision-making." Young also points out that the study was correlation; their work only links the the RTJP, morality and magnetic fields, but doesn't definitively prove that one causes another.

The research could have powerful implications not just for neuroscientists, but for lawyers as well. Everyday jurors are asked to weigh a person's actions against their intentions. This new study won't transform the legal field, said Owen Jones, a professor of law and biology at Vanderbilt University, but it could "enable sophisticated judgments about responsibility, harm and appropriate punishment."

"This study, and other recent studies like it, are enabling us to peer into the very brain activity that underlies and enables legal judgments," said Jones. "Understanding how legal decisions actually work is a potentially important step toward helping decisions be as fair, just and effective as they can be."

What the new research won't do is allow a jury, or even an individual, to unwittingly manipulated to favor prosecutors or defendants. Because it was so obvious that the magnets were turned on, it is unlikely that a person or a group, like a jury, could be swayed to consider a criminal outcome instead of intent, said Young.

Magnetic fields made people judge outcomes more than intentions. Whether it's possible to do the opposite -- making people focus more on intentions than outcomes -- Young doesn't know.

[Flash]

The volunteers apparently experienced temporarily lower concentration and spatial-visual awareness during the experiments as evaluated by tests carried out after each exposure level. The researchers set the volunteers twelve timed cognitive tasks, which were designed to assess the ability of the volunteers to carry out tasks associated with

This seems to me very important in explaining the huge increase in ADD and hyperactivity in children and the general population in the last 10-20 years, since we are bathed in communication towers and the alike (micro wave oven emitting a magnetic field, lap tops, cell phones, even if the field is light).

A shifting magnetic orientation of the planet could also play a role in this. We know that the shif is about 40 km a year right now while it has been something like 2-4 km a year for the last 2000 years.

[Flash]

I truly like the direction this thread has taken.

• The scientific explaination against the 12-21-12 apocalypse predictions.
  
• The input of astrology, but seen as a science, to contradict the apocalypse talks while explaining the overall situation.
  
• The spiritual side of things that is coming out as well.
  
• The conclusion that Avalon is about science and spirituality, should I add TOGETHER
  
• And now, the impact of natural science on the human biology, which in turn may have an impact on behavior and on spiritual development.

Do you realise guys/gals, that we may be actually doing, in an open public ground and group undertaking, the first ever workable combination of new science, old science (astrology and alchemy), spirituality, behaviors and biology, all this for an overall understanding of change in humanity. (I am aware that some may have done it individually).

I do encourage everyone to continue to use this thread in this purpose, combining science, human abilities and spirituality in one place. And linking each of our posts together for a more complete understanding.

Thanks again for the great participation

Edit:

I wish to bring balance between what sciences discover, what people on the spiritual path know as much as science, in order to clear a path for global understanding and possible implementation for the laymen. I do not know if it is achievable, but it is worthwile to try imo.


This means this is a facts bringing thread on the above aspects with a particular effort on making links between the facts and the posts so that understanding of the human potential will be made easy.

[Flash]

So that every Friday could become our next Friday

Paul could we change the title of the thread to Next Friday every Friday, the combining thread

Thank you

[RMorgan]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
This article from the NASA website was also used in the video in order to explain the "interstellar cloud" that we are entering into currently, according to NASA's Voyager research. This cloud is equated with the Photon Belt in the OP video.

Hey Rahkyt,

Well, this electromagnetic cloud is really interesting, but I´m afraid it doesn´t equate to the so called "photon belt".

Capturing photons in order to form a "belt" is actually very improbable. The only force that actually have enough gravitational pull to capture photons are black holes.

So far, no one was able to observe or to offer scientific evidence of Paul Otto Hesse´s photon belt hypothesis.

Just a quick observation, anyway.

Raf.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
A randomized three-way cross-over design using a battery of computerized cognitive function tests were used in the presence or absence of a 50Hz or static magnetic field. Sixteen healthy volunteers undertook two training and three test sessions with a 50Hz or static 0.6 mT magnetic field from a set of coils centered on the head.
RESULTS:
In response to the 50 Hz field, disruptions of accuracy were seen from an attentional task (the ability to correctly recognize words shown 20min previously and the ability to maintain a string of digits in working memory). There was no similar response to comparable levels of static magnetic field.

Hmmm ... this is very interesting to me (though wandering a bit further off this thread's topic, unfortunately.)

"mT" is a milli-Tesla, a measure of magnetic field strength. Another common such measure is Gauss. The conversion is 1 mT == 10 Gauss.

Now search for the following paper:

Clinically significant magnetic interference of implanted cardiac
devices by portable headphones, by Sinjin Lee, MD, et al.

OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to evaluate the magnetic field strength of portable headphones and to determine if they can cause clinically relevant magnetic interference.
METHODS: Pacemaker (PM) and implantable cardioverter-defibrillators (ICD) function was assessed in 100 patients during exposure to eight different models of portable headphones to determine the incidence of clinically relevant magnetic interference.

Examining Table 2 in this paper, one sees that magnetic field strength 1 cm from the several headphone models listed typically varies between 10 and 20 Gauss, which would be 1 to 2 mT.

In the above study, they placed the headphone on the chest, near the PM or ICD, which is not how one normally uses a headphone.

However, combining the measurements of magnetic field strengths produced by ordinary headphones from this paper, with the mental disruption measured using a slightly weaker (0.6mT) field strength, applied to the head, in the paper you cited ... well ... this leaves me looking over at the headphones I use so much for audio, because I can understand Youtube speech better than with a room speaker.

Dang .

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Well, this electromagnetic cloud is really interesting, but I´m afraid it doesn´t equate to the so called "photon belt".

Well, I presume that the term "photon belt" is a misnomer, for the reasons you give.

That however does not preclude the possibility of a "dust" cloud (more likely plasma I presume) straight ahead in our solar systems path. It would not surprise me to see a band of plasma misnamed as a photon belt, since conventional astronomy is still under reporting the extent of plasma in our universe, and since the visual light affects of plasma are what we'd likely notice first.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
While the subjects read the story, the scientists applied a magnetic field using a method known as transcranial magnetic stimulation. The magnetic fields created confusion in the neurons that make up the RTPJ, said Young, causing them to fire off electrical pulses chaotically.

The confusion in the brain made it harder for subjects to interpret the boyfriend's intent, said Young, and instead made the subjects focus solely on the situation's outcome. The effect was temporary and safe.

When no magnetic field was applied, the subjects focused more on the boyfriend's good intentions, rather than a bad outcome. When a magnetic field was applied to the RTPJ, the subjects consistently focused on a bad outcome, rather than the intention, and rated the story as more morally objectionable.

I am envisioning computer gamers and combat operatives (such as drone "pilots") usually wearing headphones .

I am also recalling that I usually have to take off my headphones, before performing the more human interactive parts of forum moderation, or else it feels like I'm losing my "touch".

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Posted by Flash (here)
So that every Friday could become our next Friday

Paul could we change the title of the thread to Next Friday every Friday, the combining thread

Thank you

Ok - title changed.

[Carmody]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Here is a source for the decay rates: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/resea...enkinsDec.html

Purdue-Stanford team finds radioactive decay rates vary with the sun's rotation
August 30, 2010

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - Radioactive decay rates, thought to be unique physical constants and counted on in such fields as medicine and anthropology, may be more variable than once thought.

A team of scientists from Purdue and Stanford universities has found that the decay of radioactive isotopes fluctuates in synch with the rotation of the sun's core.

The fluctuations appear to be very small but could lead to predictive tools for solar flares and may have an impact on medical radiation treatments.

This adds to evidence of swings in decay rates in response to solar activity and the distance between the Earth and the sun that Purdue researchers Ephraim Fischbach, a professor of physics, and Jere Jenkins, a nuclear engineer, have been gathering for the last four years. The Purdue team previously reported observing a drop in the rate of decay that began a day and half before and peaked during the December 2006 solar flare and an annual fluctuation that appeared to be based on the Earth's orbit of, and changing distance from, the sun, Jenkins said.

"If the relationship between solar activity and decay rates proves to be true, it could lead to a method of predicting solar flares, which could help prevent damage to satellites and electric grids, as well as save the lives of astronauts in space," Jenkins said. "Finding that the decay rates fluctuate in a pattern that matches known and theoretical solar frequencies is compelling evidence for a solar influence on decay rates."

Jenkins and Fischbach collaborated with Peter Sturrock, a professor emeritus of applied physics at Stanford University and an expert on the inner workings of the sun, to examine data collected at Brookhaven National Laboratory on the rate of decay of the radioactive isotopes silicon-32 and chlorine-36. The team reported in the journal Astroparticle Physics that the decay rate for both isotopes varies in a 33-day recurring pattern, which they attribute to the rotation rate of the sun's core.

In general, the fluctuations that Jenkins and Fischbach have found are around a tenth of a percent from what is expected, as they've examined available published data and taken some measurements themselves.

The team has not yet examined isotopes used in medical radiation treatments or for dating of ancient artifacts.

"The fluctuations we're seeing are fractions of a percent and are not likely to radically alter any major anthropological findings," Fischbach said. "One of our next steps is to look into the isotopes used medically to see if there are any variations that would lead to overdosing or underdosing in radiation treatments, but there is no cause for alarm at this point. What is key here is that what was thought to be a constant actually varies and we've discovered a periodic oscillation where there shouldn't be one."

Jenkins and Fischbach suggest that the changes in the decay rates are due to interactions with solar neutrinos, nearly weightless particles created by nuclear reactions within the sun's core that travel almost at the speed of light.

It is estimated that about 60 billion solar neutrinos pass through a person's fingernail every second, but they are so weakly reactive that they pass right through the body without disturbing or changing anything, Jenkins said.

"We haven't known the solar neutrino to interact significantly with anything, but it fits with the evidence we've gathered as the likely source of these fluctuations," he said. "So, what we're suggesting is that something that can't interact with anything is changing something that can't be changed."

The Purdue team has ruled out the possibility of experimental error or an environmental influence on the detection systems that track the rate of decay as being responsible for the fluctuations and published a series of papers in the journals Astroparticle Physics, Nuclear Instruments and Methods in Physics Research, and Space Science Reviews.

Sturrock said it is an effect that no one yet understands and that if it is not neutrinos that are responsible, then perhaps there is an unknown particle interacting with the atoms.

"It would have to be something we don't know about - an unknown particle that is also emitted by the sun and has this effect - and that would be even more remarkable," he said.

This is tied directly to what i was speaking on, regarding voltage being the principle component behind time and gravity, and as well, dimensional barriers. Voltage, with regard to how we see and understand things.

and astrology is the basic building block of the energy of the universe.

Which is geometric function, as applied to oscillating standing waver interference patterns. those interference patterns have an origin, or, if you will... that they are interfered with. By planets. Planets both emanate and also interfere and integrate with the given 3d oscillations, in flow.

The 'vibrations' used by the different inventors, to overcome time, space, or gravity..are voltage differential based. Wave shape control, and field control are both key aspects. Everything is tied to voltage. And voltage is a differential across two points. A measurement of energetic transfer potential. As in 'available pressure in spot A..as compared to available pressure in that spot B'. This differential, is what voltage is.

That gravity and time are secondary functions, not primary.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

[sheddie]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

so is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Trying hard to keep up here, fasinating convo, just wish I could understand more of it.

[Hervé]

Reversing the phenomenon, then the ionization of the hydrogen an helium "neutral particles" of the "Local Fluff" via "agitation," thermal or otherwise, would indeed cogenerate the observed magnetic field that coheses the "Local Fluff" together...

[Carmody]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

Not the lost an electron joke... are you sure? - "Yes, I've lost an electron. I'm positive."

JUST read this:

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-gusty-s...urbulence.html

Study confirms 'gusty winds' in space turbulence (as an alternative to Ren and Stimpy's 'space madness')


A solar prominence erupts into the sun's atmosphere, or corona. Credit: NASA. A research team led by the University of Iowa reports to have directly measured a kind of turbulence that occurs in space plasma for the first time in the laboratory. Imagine riding in an airplane as the plane is jolted back and forth by gusts of wind that you can't prove exist but are there nonetheless. Similar turbulence exists in space, and a research team led by the University of Iowa reports to have directly measured it for the first time in the laboratory. "Turbulence is not restricted to environments here on Earth, but also arises pervasively throughout the solar system and beyond, driving chaotic motions in the ionized gas, or plasma, that fills the universe," says Gregory Howes, assistant professor of physics and astronomy at the UI and lead author of the paper to be published Dec. 17 in the online edition of Physical Review Letters, the journal of the American Physical Society. "It is thought to play a key role in heating the atmosphere of the sun, the solar corona, to temperatures of a million degrees Celsius, nearly a thousand times hotter than the surface of the sun."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-12-gusty-s...lence.html#jCp

[MargueriteBee]

I will be glad when the day has come and gone because I feel the tension and fear building up like boiling water.

[Flash]

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
I will be glad when the day has come and gone because I feel the tension and fear building up like boiling water.

Although your comment is somewhat funny, I do not see any fear build up here. They are just stating scientific facts and recent discoveries and having a discussion on it, which may mean, if the Sun's protections systems have problems, that we could be in boiling waters. lol Scientific presumptions.

Truly, those are discussed without much fear here, apart from what you have perceived in you. It is important to be able to discuss data without getting into fear MargueriteBee.

I would very much like being able to link this to human evolutionary path overall and overall human development. It will surely come, just waiting without fear.

I did like your comment though, it surprisingly lightens the day (paradox I know).

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

True that.

But then I wouldn't call the result a hydrogen atom any more. The positive nucleus (just a proton for the most common hydrogen isotope) and the negative electron move about on their own separate paths.

The way I use the words, the term "hydrogen atom" refers to the electrically neutral combination of an electron orbiting around a nucleus with one proton and zero or more neutrons.

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Posted by sheddie (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

so is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Hopefully it is a good thing, for it is certainly a common thing. If one finds Wal Thornhill's Electric Universe explanations credible, then it is a very common thing

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
The way I use the words, the term "hydrogen atom" refers to the electrically neutral combination of an electron orbiting around a nucleus with one proton and zero or more neutrons

Aha - Wikipedia uses the terms as you do, not I .

In Hydrogen atom (Wikipedia)

Ionized hydrogen without its electron, or free protons, are common in the interstellar medium, and solar wind.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Carmody (here)
JUST read this:

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-gusty-s...urbulence.html

Study confirms 'gusty winds' in space turbulence (as an alternative to Ren and Stimpy's 'space madness')

Nice ... hot off the press no less.

I'll try not to notice that acronym for the Large Plasma Device at UCLA reminds me of the Los Angeles Police Dept -- LAPD.

The LArge Plasma Device (LAPD)