Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Freed Fox]

Thanks Vivek for even more information, and lookbeyond for your kind encouragement.

Excuse me, Houman, as this may also seem rather off-topic, but seems pertinent to some of the threads of thought brought up here in recent posts... I will strive to be brief but a little background is necessary I believe.

Some of my best spiritual experiences have been through meditation, unsurprisingly. What is surprising is how easily they have come at certain times. I have yet to incorporate this practice habitually as is often recommended. Instead I engage in meditation irregularly, whenever I am inspired to do so.

My early attempts were little more than rituals of relaxation...at most a stress release. Thus I concluded for a good while that this was more or less what it was all about. But when I had my first truly spiritual experience with it, nearly three years ago, I felt as though I was being visited by an intelligent presence. There were no words or voices, nor even mental imagery. There was, however, a communication. I had never imagined communication without the use of words or images or smells or anything, but of pure energy.

For months I was left with an entirely inexplicable phenomenon, and by it's nature I did not discuss it with friends or family. It was however a major kick-starter in a quest of information and spirituality. Eventually this path lead me to Graham Hancock. If you are familiar with his work, you will surely know his thoughts regarding Ayahuasca, and the intelligent entity which he believes communicates to us through it.

Talk about resonating...wow. For the first time I heard someone describing the entity who had reached out to me. I followed up with further research on "Mother Ayahuasca" and came to conclude that this may very well be Gaia herself.

All of this is despite the fact that I have never tried DMT in any of its forms, nor was I under hallucinogenic influence at the time.

She felt as, first and foremost, an incredibly intelligent, warm, and loving soul. It is bizarre, because again I did not hear or see her, but a strong intuition indicated a feminine spirit. Even more bizarre (or perhaps not) is that intuitively I envisioned her as a gigantic, yet beautiful snake. It was only reinforced when I came to read and hear of dozens of accounts from ayahuasca practitioners who themselves encountered this entity. To this day, the most effective method that I personally have for meditation involves remembering her, and what her energy was like.

Most powerful to me was this sensation that she has given us everything we've needed to survive, and continues to do so despite the abuse she receives from some aspects of humanity. She cares so deeply for us, as she does for every other creature here because we are basically her children. Every breathtaking aspect of Earth; forests, mountains, rivers, beaches... all are a part of her. And despite this incredible beauty and power that she possesses, there is an unmistakable modesty about her. She humbles and amazes me. I felt unworthy of her time, actually, but in response to this thought the loving sensation increased, as if to reassure me that she makes time for each of us, if we are open.

So, to Vivek especially, how does this conception gel with your perception of Gnosticism. Your posts recently have made me realize that I know much less than I thought, and you make some very compelling observations and insights. My research has been admittedly scattered, so I have likely only read about the beliefs of certain sects. In regards to Archontic forces, I have since worried that these "encounters" are of a deeply clever parasitic nature. I hope that this is not the case, but would love to hear any pertinent responses from you all.

All the best

[lookbeyond]

Freed Fox, your post just now made me catch my breath re Gaias communication.
And sadly, yes then the worry of deception comes.
However i hav decided re my own experiences, that i trust my discernment/intuition,and only I can "know" as only I experienced those circumstances that led to that experience in my life.This is the conclusion i hav come to and interestingly it was my first intuition which was correct-trust yourself

lookbeyond

[Freed Fox]

Thank you lookbeyond! I am generally in agreement with you in that regard. Perhaps it makes my query/apprehension pointless, because I will ultimately fall back upon my inherent intuition. In this case it was very strong and entirely positive. If it was not indeed Gaia, I would then be inclined to think of it as one aspect of her, or an angel of some kind.

My questions may just be relics from my past, when I valued science more than faith. Still there are things I learn every day, and I have a certain knee-jerk modesty that makes me ask, "What do I know, really?"

I would none-the-less value input from anyone who has had similar experiences, or those who have researched related concepts and phenomena.

[lookbeyond]

Certainly Vivek your posts require rereading, ive always had an interest in gnosticism but found it too time consumingly symbolic,thankyou!, fascinating

lookbeyond

[Chester]

Hi, I am compelled to link to this post I just made because it has so much to do with my own experience as it relates to this thread -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...491#post602491

This is in great part inspired by Vivek's most recent explorations which I am finding are fascinating AND which I am following along in a strange sort of harmony I cannot relate in words. In fact, I was afraid to even say that in fear that any comment might derail his momentum!

Also - I will be making a post related to Houman's recent thread focusing materials as it is weighing heavily on my mind (Vivek's branch appears to be in quite an opposite direction yet actually is parallel but with a brighter tone!) Love to All - Chester

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

I caught this on youtube. I found it a decent portrayal of what I'm talking about above.

A girl around the age of puberty is walking into an area where a monster lives. The monster does not hide his presense and even has depictions on the walls of what he does to children.
The monster lies still and apparently asleep until a piece of food is eaten off the table.
The young girl is warned not to eat the fruit and told it will awake the monster, but she can't help it and eats the fruit anyway.

This to me atleast, symbolizes the shadow parasite lying dormant until our sexuality awakens and offers a temptation few are capable of resisting.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_V12O9kwNLQ

DNA, that's an excellent interpretation! Just so you know, that clip is from the film, "Pan's Labyrinth". It's a great movie, well worth a watch. Quite like a dark, semi-modern fairy tale.

I do agree that "Pan's Labyrinth" is a great film worth watching. I saw it when it was first released several years ago.

To me, the film juxtaposes the forces of evil in the physical world with the forces of evil in the metaphysical world, while the forces of good do all they can to defend themselves against the evil.

There is much symbolism and metaphors in this film. Different people have derived different meanings from it and while I am tempted to give my own conclusions, I won't, in case those of you who have not watched it, wish to do so, therefore I will not spoil it for you.

[Jeffrey]

I have some more ideas to share! This is all speculative and exploratory, but I haven't posted this without using reason and discernment. With that in mind -- begin thought experiment.

According to the Gnostic scriptures, there are distinctions between the Spirit and the Soul. Keep in mind the "as above, so below" motto here. The Spirit is the masculine Father principle of the universe, while the Soul is the feminine Mother principle. She is the field in which life arises.

[Side note: There is also the subtle body, which is examined in the addendum.]

From, The Apocryphon of John:

And I asked to know it, and he said to me, "The Monad is a monarchy with nothing above it. It is he who exists as God and Father of everything, the invisible One who is above everything, who exists as incorruption, which is in the pure light into which no eye can look.

"He is the invisible Spirit, of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him, since everything exists in him. For it is he who establishes himself. He is eternal, since he does not need anything. For he is total perfection. He did not lack anything, that he might be completed by it; rather he is always completely perfect in light. He is illimitable, since there is no one prior to him to set limits to him. He is unsearchable, since there exists no one prior to him to examine him. He is immeasurable, since there was no one prior to him to measure him. He is invisible, since no one saw him. He is eternal, since he exists eternally. He is ineffable, since no one was able to comprehend him to speak about him. He is unnameable, since there is no one prior to him to give him a name.

"He is immeasurable light, which is pure, holy (and) immaculate. He is ineffable, being perfect in incorruptibility. (He is) not in perfection, nor in blessedness, nor in divinity, but he is far superior. He is not corporeal nor is he incorporeal. He is neither large nor is he small. There is no way to say, 'What is his quantity?' or, 'What is his quality?', for no one can know him. He is not someone among (other) beings, rather he is far superior. Not that he is (simply) superior, but his essence does not partake in the aeons nor in time. For he who partakes in an aeon was prepared beforehand. Time was not apportioned to him, since he does not receive anything from another, for it would be received on loan. For he who precedes someone does not lack, that he may receive from him. For rather, it is the latter that looks expectantly at him in his light.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn.html

The invisible Spirit exists as a monad, a point of infinity -- the singularity. The feminine principle exists on a cosmic scale as Barbelo.

Continuing from the same codex:

"And his thought performed a deed and she came forth, namely she who had appeared before him in the shine of his light. This is the first power which was before all of them (and) which came forth from his mind, She is the forethought of the All - her light shines like his light - the perfect power which is the image of the invisible, virginal Spirit who is perfect. The first power, the glory of Barbelo, the perfect glory in the aeons, the glory of the revelation, she glorified the virginal Spirit and it was she who praised him, because thanks to him she had come forth. This is the first thought, his image; she became the womb of everything, for it is she who is prior to them all ... "

The first power, Barbelo, surrounds the virginal Spirit (masculine singularity). It is this power that "became the womb of everything." There is an emerging theory in science which proposes that the shape of our universe is toroidal.



The Father -- or the Spirit -- is the center.

The Mother -- or the womb -- is the field of space that surrounds it.

This is also indicative of the yoni and the lingam in the Vedic traditions. The yoni represents the feminine, creative aspect of nature (the womb) while the lingam represents the masculine, creative aspect of nature (the phallus). Macrocosm to microcosm.

The yoni is a circular object and the linga is in the center.



Consider this the template for the sub-systems that emerge in the cosmos.

As above, so below.

Now, consider a developing solar system. There is a star developing in the center.

This star creates a magnetic field.

[Side note: This field is gyrating, which creates vortices in the top and bottom -- the vortex is important too. I'll leave that for later.]

This magnetic field can be considered akin to a womb -- like a placenta.



Now, the star is also producing sounds. These sounds are extremely subtle.

The atomic processes within the atomic furnace of stars create sounds as a result of the high-energy collisions between atomic particles. These sounds cause the starlight to vary minutely, tiny modulations that can be detected by sensitive instrumentation, then demodulated, recreating the original sounds in the laboratory. Analysis of the star sounds can help asteroseismologists gain a better understanding of the atomic processes with a given star.

Source: http://www.cymascope.com/cyma_resear...rophysics.html

Extremely subtle sounds. This reminds me of the Logos -- the Word. Like the Om, or Aum.

Now there were also crystalline structures floating around in the swirling accretion disc. It could be that the location in which planets were "born" was influenced by the sounds coming from the sun. The dust began conglomerating in certain places, due to solar harmonics, and gravity took over from there.

Eventually, these developing planets produced a magnetic field of their own. They developed their own wombs.

The geomagnetic field of a particular planet contains a unique resonant frequency.

It also had some of these helical, crystalline dust particles inside is geomagnetic field. Over time, the planet grew, densified, and solidified. Some form of these helical, crystalline structures stayed in the atmosphere and eventually ended up in the primordial waters of Gaia.

The egg has been fertilized.

Based on the principles of Sheldrake's morphogentic fields, these helical, crystalline structures received the base signal of the planet and transmitted it out in a fashion unique to there structure -- creating a field for form to follow. DNA is sensitive to electromagnetic fields, especially EMFs classified as being extremely low frequency (such as the Shumann Resonance).

DNA is a fractal antenna in electromagnetic fields.

The wide frequency range of interaction with EMF is the functional characteristic of a fractal antenna, and DNA appears to possess the two structural characteristics of fractal antennas, electronic conduction and self symmetry. These properties contribute to greater reactivity of DNA with EMF in the environment [...] as well as variations in the rate of chemical evolution in early geologic history.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21457072

[Side note: DNA also produces it's own EM field: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...012.5166v1.pdf]

Due to the selection pressures of their environment, some helical structures persevered where others did not. Over time these helical structures came to be more complex. They contained a multitude of unique arrangements that broadcasted fields of variance to include the forms of the material structures that proved to be advantageous for survival.

A myriad of different species begins to flourish within the placenta of the planet.

Life begins to thrive and it's all due to the base signal being broadcasted by the planet. This is the gesticulation of Gaia.

This is Mother Nature.

Albeit these ideas are unorthodox, they are still in line with the principles of the theory of evolution. Yet, there are many problems with the theory of evolution.

So, since I am only drawing and not drawing conclusions, here's another sketch.

The earth is very old.

Let me rewind to the point were there was enough of a core to produce a magnetic field.

This core is crystalline (as described above). The matter of the core only takes up a small space compared to the cavity that it's field creates. Consider morphogenetic fields and helical, crystalline-like structures. Without producing material organisms these morphogenetic fields could have still been evolving without a full grown planet.

Imagine the crystalline core surrounded by a gigantic haze of dust. This is all enveloped in the magnetic field (i.e. the torus, the womb). The core is producing a resonant frequency and these helical, crystalline structures in the womb are receiving it, modulating it based on their individual structures, and projecting morphogenetic fields. This is an enclosed system. Within this system there are changes and interactions between developing sub-systems. An adaptive process is taking place before the planet even grows to maturity (i.e. grows in size, gains weight by gravitational processes -- pregnant women do gain weight, just an observation).

Complex adaptive systems are special cases of complex systems, often defined as a 'complex macroscopic collection' of relatively 'similar and partially connected micro-structures' – formed in order to adapt to the changing environment, and increase its survivability as a macro-structure.

They are complex; in that they are dynamic networks of interactions, and their relationships are not aggregations of the individual static entities. They are adaptive; in that the individual and collective behavior mutate and self-organize corresponding to the change-provoking micro-event or collection of events.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_adaptive_system

Eventually, an order is reached. A harmony if you will. A stable holoarchy has emerged within this field and learned to dance in harmony with the music of the sphere.

The morphogenetic constructs that persevered would be the templates for organic life (when the planet settles in to it's current size, and cools enough to allow the genesis of organic life).

These morphogenetic constructs can be likened to subtle bodies.* They would have some degree of conscious capacity and some level of will; but more than likely they would act as energetic programs, consciously playing their part in the harmony that had developed. They are entities of existence; there is little friction between them and the Source.

Now, fast forward. The planet reaches it's current size and cools enough for life to begin to develop. Very primitive life though -- I'm talking single-celled organisms. The morphological constructs might be there, but the bricks aren't going to be all in one spot. A fire is built with a little bit of tinder at first, then you can start putting sticks on it, and eventually logs.

Organic life begins to evolve.

So, the organisms with the the least complexity (DNA-wise) would have developed first. Progressively, as the necessity for complexity grew, morphological constructs that were similar in complexity were drawn in (i.e. the organism had the right bricks and mortar to build the appropriate house).

Driven at first by environmental selection pressures, organisms begin to adapt differently ... after reaching a new threshold of complexity the more appropriate morphogenetic construct is attracted to it and the phylogenetic tree begins to branch out.

Time marches on. Eventually, intricacy meets it's threshold.

Enter hominids.

Here is where the story takes a twist.

The Gnostics describe Sophia concocting a preemptive plan for humanity.

Then the authorities received the knowledge (gnosis) necessary to create man. Sophia Zoe - she who is with Sabaoth - had anticipated them. And she laughed at their decision. For they are blind: against their own interests they ignorantly created him. And they do not realize what they are about to do. The reason she anticipated them and made her own man first, was in order that he might instruct their modelled form how to despise them, and thus to escape from them.

Source: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

Sophia created her own man first. This was the first Adam. It was a morphological construct that had come about in the proto-planetary womb of Gaia.

From, On the Origin of the World, regarding the first Adam:

When they came to him, they said, "Is this not the god who ruined our work?" He answered and said, "Yes. If you do not want him [the first Adam] to be able to ruin our work, come let us create a man out of earth, according to the image of our body and according to the likeness of this being, to serve us; so that when he sees his likeness, he might become enamored of it. No longer will he ruin our work; rather,we shall make those who are born out of the light our servants for all the duration of this eternal realm." Now all of this came to pass according to the forethought of Pistis, in order that man should appear after his likeness, and should condemn them because of their modelled form. And their modelled form became an enclosure of the light.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

Okay, picture the crystalline core and the proto-planetary womb. Remember the haze of dust with helical, crystalline-like structures inside this womb (that is between the crystalline core and the magnetic field).

Imagine there is also foreign, inorganic, helical-like structures from a cloud of interstellar dust. I think this represents the "aborted fetus" attributed to the archons. The lion-faced serpent is symbolic of the morphological construct that developed out of these fetal-like, crystalline dust particles.

Some line of species begins to develop humanoid characteristics on the material earth. This species makes a suitable candidate for the morphological construct of the first Adam to "descend upon."

Instead, these early humans (maybe neanderthal-like) were exposed to the morphological construct of the archons. They then began to influence this early hominid to develop according to the image of their body, but according to the likeness (i.e. the morphological construct) of the first Adam.

From, On the Origin of the World:

And at that time, the prime parent then rendered an opinion concerning man to those who were with him. Then each of them cast his sperm into the midst of the navel of the earth. Since that day, the seven rulers have fashioned man with his body resembling their body, but his likeness resembling the man that had appeared to them. His modelling took place by parts, one at a time. And their leader fashioned the brain and the nervous system. Afterwards, he appeared as prior to him. He became a soul-endowed man. And he was called Adam, that is, "father", according to the name of the one that existed before him.

[B]And when they had finished Adam, he abandoned him as an inanimate vessel, since he had taken form like an abortion, in that no spirit was in him.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

[Side note: The seven rulers maybe alluding to the seven chakras. This also has connotations that nod to the seven "demons" that preside over the seven chakras.]

The chief archon "fashioned the brain and the nervous system."

This correlation is almost too strong to ignore (see also the latter half of post #2358):






The archon's morphological construct had abandoned the vessel (i.e. the physical body of the new human) once it finished influencing it's development (re-modeling the hominid). The archontic subtle body left the humanoid body (now Homo sapien).

From, Hypostasis of the Archons and The Apocryphon of John:

They had taken some soil from the earth and modeled their man after their body and after the image of God that had appeared to them in the waters. They said, "Come, let us lay hold of it by means of the form that we have modeled, so that it may see its male counterpart [...], and we may seize it with the form that we have modeled" - not understanding the force of God, because of their powerlessness. And he breathed into his face; and the man came to have a soul (and remained) upon the ground many days. But they could not make him arise because of their powerlessness. Like storm winds they persisted (in blowing), that they might try to capture that image, which had appeared to them in the waters. And they did not know the identity of its power.

Now all these things came to pass by the will of the father of the entirety. Afterwards, the spirit saw the soul-endowed man upon the ground. And the spirit came forth from the Adamantine Land; it descended and came to dwell within him, and that man became a living soul. It called his name Adam, since he was found moving upon the ground.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html

And when the mother wanted to retrieve the power which she had given to the chief archon, she petitioned the Mother-Father of the All, who is most merciful.

[...]

They advised him that they should bring forth the power of the mother. And they said to Yaltabaoth, 'Blow into his face something of your spirit and his body will arise.' And he blew into his face the spirit which is the power of his mother; he did not know (this), for he exists in ignorance. And the power of the mother went out of Yaltabaoth into the natural body, which they had fashioned after the image of the one who exists from the beginning. The body moved and gained strength, and it was luminous.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn.html

I think the chief archons spirit is how his morphogenetic construct has concentrated the underlying field of the Spirit.*

Because of the field of the the feminine aspect of creation these fetal, crystalline, helical-like structures in space produced a morphogenetic construct. In other words, these foreign structures picked up a signal (similar to an EMF in physics) and projected in into a form (representative of a lion-faced serpent). This form, or morphogenetic construct, channeled the underlying masculine aspect of creation in a particular fashion. Symbolically this looks like a snake. This is the Spirit of the chief archon (read the addendum at the bottom of this post, and then re-read this paragraph). The Spirit (different from the soul), in any arrangement, is pure and cannot be tainted by any deviancy.

If the subtle body acts as a conduit for the Spirit, then the morphological construct of the chief archon has modulated the Spirit with the semblance of a snake.

This is the Kundalini -- the serpent power.

This brings me to my next post.

* The Gnostics make delineations between the Soul and the Spirit. There are different interpretations and speculations about how they differ.

Maybe the Spirit is the pervasive field that underlies all of reality (similar to the Higgs field in physics). When morphological constructs (i.e. subtle bodies) develop they modulate the flux of this field in certain respects. They divert the field in different ways; these morphogenetic constructs are akin to the Nadis in Yoga and/or the Meridians in Chinese medicine (see also: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/21850638/What-are-Nadis).

As these morphogenetic constructs evolve in complexity they direct and concentrate this underlying field of Spirit in varying degrees. Some constructs condense the field to a diluted solvency. While others condense it more potently.

There could be one pattern above all that proves to have the most efficacy at doing this -- it's morphogenetic field could be humanoid in nature. This may be the template for intelligent, self-aware beings in the cosmos.

Different types of "subtle bodies" would have dispersive amounts of Spirit moving in them. There is one type of morphogenetic construct in particular that is able to focus this universally pervasive field into a concentrated point. It's subtle design directs the dissipative Spirit like water through little canals, and guides it to a point of convergence -- the Spirit comes to light within the subtle body construct.

This point of convergence creates the Monad, like the one above on a cosmic level. This Monad in turn creates a toroidal field around it -- this is the Soul.

They all interact, but not necessarily in a hierarchical fashion. Rather, it is like a holoarchy.

Symbolically the Monad, or Spirit, would represent a tiny flame or a dense point of light. Which brings me back to the macrocosmic aspect of the Father. The cosmic lingam. The center of the torus.

This also makes me think about the symbology of the sacred heart with a flame inside of it.


See also: http://www.smeddum.net/images/articles/aura.jpg

The implications of the ideas suggested here have applications to a variety of topics.

Maybe some bells went off in your head while reading this.

[Freed Fox]

Vivek, I know you aren't quite finished here, but if I may...

First, I'm sure you're aware of this but I thought I'd point it out since you didn't seem to mention it. The "Beast" which you identify as the eagle, said; "Do not be afraid. In death you shall not die. For he knows that when you eat from it, your intellect will become sober and you will come to be like gods, recognizing the difference that obtains between evil men and good ones. Indeed, it was in jealousy that he said this to you, so that you would not eat from it."
Well, in the Bible this it is explicitly stated that the serpent says this. Personally, I've only ever heard of the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life. This tree whose "branches are death" is completely unfamiliar to me. Unless it is referring to the lie that the Biblical "God" told Adam & Eve (above). Also, if I'm not mistaken, don't Gnostics believe the Biblical God to actually be 'the demiurge' (Yaldabaoth)?

Also, I don't know if you're planning to elaborate on this specifically, but could you go into further detail about the serpent, eagle, and kundalini? I would speculate myself at this point but I feel like I might be stepping on your toes...

[Houman]

from http://www.parstimes.com/library/yalda_back.html

" 'Shab-e Yalda', celebrated on 21 December is the eve of the birth of Mithra, the Sun God, who symbolized light, goodness and strength on earth. It is also the origin of Christmas & Hanukkah.

Yalda is a Syriac word meaning birth. Mithra-worshippers used the term 'yalda' specifically with reference to the birth of Mithra. As the longest night of the year, the Eve of Yalda (Shab-e Yalda) is also a turning point, after which the days grow longer. In ancient times it symbolised the triumph of the Sun God over the powers of darkness...
The Cult of the Sun was first introduced to Iran thousands of years ago by migrant Aryans. Mithra, the Sun God remained a potent symbol of worship throughout the following centuries. Centuries later, during the Achaemenid era, Mithra became a principal deity, equal in rank to Ahura Mazda (the god of all goodness) and Anahita (goddess of water and fertility)...

Over the centuries Mithraism spread to Greece and Ancient Rome via Asia Minor, gaining popularity within the ranks of the Roman army. In the 4th century AD as a result of errors made in calculating leap years and dates, the birthday of Mithra was transferred to 25 December. Until then Christ's birthday had been celebrated on 6 January by all branches of the Christian Church. But with the cult of Mithra still popular in Roman Europe, the Christian Church adopted many of the Mithraic rituals and proclaimed 25 December as the official birthday of Christ. Today the Armenian and Eastern Orthodox Churches continue to celebrate 6 January as Christ's birthday.

It was said that Mithra was born out of the light that came from within the Alborz mountains. Ancient Iranians would gather in caves along the mountain range throughout the night to witness this miracle together at dawn...

Because Shab-e Yalda is the longest and darkest night, it has come to symbolise many things in Persian poetry; separation from a loved one, loneliness and waiting. After Shab-e Yalda a transformation takes place - the waiting is over, light shines and goodness prevails..."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s_YLFln-Zmc

[Jeffrey]

This is a follow up on post #2367 --->

I have to break this into three posts (maybe two). There are many references to trees in the Nag Hammadi. They are probably allusions. Keep in mind my last couple of posts.

From, On the Origin of the World:

After that Eros, the grapevine sprouted up out of that blood, which had been shed over the earth. Because of this, those who drink of it conceive the desire of sexual union. After the grapevine, a fig tree and a pomegranate tree sprouted up from the earth, together with the rest of the trees, all species, having with them their seed from the seed of the authorities and their angels.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

Imagine the blood being symbolic of panspermia. Remember in the story from the last post:

It [the womb of the earth] also had some of these helical, crystalline dust particles inside is geomagnetic field. Over time, the planet grew, densified, and solidified. Some form of these helical, crystalline structures stayed in the atmosphere and eventually ended up in the primordial waters of Gaia.

Imagine the structures eventually ending up on land. Similar to red rain (blood red). It doesn't have to be exactly like I described.

Now, the "grapevine sprouted out of that blood." One of the first systems to develop in the human embryo is the nervous system. The grapevine could be a metaphor for the peripheral nervous system.



The vines are the nerves. The grapes could possibly represent the cell bodies of the nerve fibers.

On the other hand, the grapevine could represent the lymphatic system. The vines are the lymphatic vessels and the grapes are the lymph nodes. This metaphor may be more appropriate.



Then, after the grapevine, a fig tree and a pomegranate tree sprouted up.

The fig tree represents the circulatory system. The branches are the blood vessels that meander throughout the body, and the fig itself is symbolic of the heart.



Now, the pomegranate tree represents the lungs -- the respiratory tree. The lungs branch out into bronchi and bronchioles. The fruit of the lungs are the alveoli (sacs). These resemble pomegranates.



The rest of the "species of trees" is a metaphor alluding to the rest of the body's biological systems.

The next post will be about the Tree of Knowledge, the Tree of (eternal) Life, and the archontic tree of life.

[Jeffrey]

Continuing from, On the Origin of the World:

Then Justice created Paradise, being beautiful and being outside the orbit of the moon and the orbit of the sun in the Land of Wantonness, in the East in the midst of the stones. And desire is in the midst of the beautiful, appetizing trees. And the tree of eternal life is as it appeared by God's will, to the north of Paradise, so that it might make eternal the souls of the pure, who shall come forth from the modelled forms of poverty at the consummation of the age. Now the color of the tree of life is like the sun. And its branches are beautiful. Its leaves are like those of the cypress. Its fruit is like a bunch of grapes when it is white. Its height goes as far as heaven. And next to it (is) the tree of knowledge (gnosis), having the strength of God. Its glory is like the moon when fully radiant. And its branches are beautiful. Its leaves are like fig leaves. Its fruit is like a good appetizing date. And this tree is to the north of Paradise, so that it might arouse the souls from the torpor of the demons, in order that they might approach the tree of life and eat of its fruit, and so condemn the authorities and their angels. The effect of this tree is described in the Sacred Book, to wit: "It is you who are the tree of knowledge, which is in Paradise, from which the first man ate and which opened his mind; and he loved his female counterpart and condemned the other, alien likenesses and loathed them."

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

The Tree of eternal Life represents the higher functioning brain. Paradise is in the brain (but I think it may be the lower functioning brain) and the morphogenetic construct of the mind.

The neurons of the brain branch out like a tree and like the veins of a leaf.

A typical neuron possesses a cell body (often called the soma), dendrites, and an axon. Dendrites are thin structures that arise from the cell body, often extending for hundreds of micrometres and branching multiple times, giving rise to a complex "dendritic tree".

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

The branches of the Tree of Life represent the scaffolding of the neocortex (which is latin for "new bark"). The neocortex is dominated by "neuronal cell bodies and unmyelinated fibers" while the archontic tree of life ends with the axonal projections of the thalamus and the corpus callosum. The dendritic trees of neuronal cell bodies in the neocortex are analogous to cyprus leaves (referencing the Tree of eternal Life). The images shown below are the neuronal dendrites and cypress leaves (bottom).







From, The Apocryphon of John:

And the archons took him and placed him in paradise. And they said to him, 'Eat, that is at leisure,' for their luxury is bitter and their beauty is depraved. And their luxury is deception and their trees are godlessness and their fruit is deadly poison and their promise is death. And the tree of their life they had placed in the midst of paradise.

And I shall teach you (pl.) what is the mystery of their life, which is the plan which they made together, which is the likeness of their spirit. The root of this (tree) is bitter and its branches are death, its shadow is hate and deception is in its leaves, and its blossom is the ointment of evil, and its fruit is death and desire is its seed, and it sprouts in darkness. The dwelling place of those who taste from it is Hades, and the darkness is their place of rest.

Source: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn.html

This is different from the Tree of (eternal) Life because it is of the counterfeit spirit.

[Side note: to really appreciate the content of this post, I recommend reading post #2348 and post #2360.]

The tree being described here could be the equivalent of the subtle body of the demiurge. Which corresponds physically to the reptile-like brain stem and the spinal cord.

Together, these parts—the brain stem, cerebellum, and basal ganglia—are casually referred to as your “lizard brain.”

[...]

The human brain includes many regions that evolved long ago. Our older “lizard brain” parts keep our bodies working and provide basic survival motivations ...

Source: http://www-v1.amnh.org/exhibitions/b...izardbrain.php

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain

So, the head of the demiurge represents the thalamus. The lion's mane and the crown (or the corona of the sun in another depiction) is symbolic of the axonal projections of the thalamus and the corpus callosum. The serpentine body is indicative of the spinal cord.



In a diffusion MRI of the lower brain, the nerve fibers of the thalamus and corpus callosum project outwardly. This represents the lion's mane and crown. The axonal projections also represent the branches of the tree top of the archontic tree of life (the top of a tree is known as the crown).

The roots of the tree represent the root of the spinal cord and the coccygeal nerves (in the tailbone).



Now, the Tree of Knowledge and the archontic tree of life are nearly synonymous with respects to location, but quite the opposite terms of meaning.

The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge is an allusion that references a gland.

That gland "is like a good appetizing date."



This, I believe, is describing the pineal gland.

Now, the fruit of the archontic life is an apple (the reference to an apple isn't in the Nag Hammadi).

The apple could represent the pituitary gland. Notice how the pituitary gland resembles an apple.



This gland hangs from a stalk connected to the hypothalamus. Just like the apple hangs from "their" tree of life.



The pituitary gland is also known as the master gland of the body.

This gland also controls the thyroid gland, which is closely associated with the anatomical "Adam's Apple."

The secretion of this gland (it's "seed") is one of the primary drivers that maintains our sexual differentiation -- the biological male and female. Consequentially, the physiology of this gland corresponds to our sexual desire.

Hormones are powerful chemical substances manufactured by the endocrine glands and secreted directly into the bloodstream.

[...]

The most important sex hormones are testosterone (one of a group of hormones called androgens) and estrogens and progesterone. The thyroid, the adrenals, and the pituitary are examples of endocrine glands.

[...]

The pituitary gland and a closely related region of the brain, the hypothalamus, are also important, because the hypothalamus regulates the pituitary, which regulates the other glands, in particular the testes and ovaries. Because of its importance, the pituitary has been called the master gland of the endocrine system.

Source: http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/site...86360_ch05.pdf

This intrigues me because certain codices describe the first beings as having androgynous characteristics, and the pineal gland (the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge) secretes melatonin, which at high levels is known to inhibit sexual development. After Adam and Eve ate the from the apple they realized they were naked. In other words, they had developed male and female genitalia.

After the fall, the seed of desire was sown in mankind ---> the seeds of the apple being the secretions of the pituitary gland. Two houses are created. The biological male and female. Copulation is now a requisite for reproduction.

There is a lot more that can come of these connections.

“There is a thinking in primordial images, in symbols which are older than the historical man, which are inborn in him from the earliest times, eternally living, outlasting all generations, still make up the groundwork of the human psyche. It is only possible to live the fullest life when we are in harmony with these symbols; wisdom is a return to them.” – Carl Jung

The next post will tie in the Kundalini... I think the direction this will go may be for a new thread concerning the last 10 or so posts I've made.

[Houman]

from Rima E. Laibow on the drugging of our children...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AHlQlWhHg2c

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Houman (here)
from Rima E. Laibow on the drugging of our children...

She's awesome.

The website www.healthfreedomusa.org, where her material most often appears, is down.

Here is the text of her video "I Am Adam Lanza’s Doctor", from the Google cache of http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=13703:

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I Am Adam Lanza’s Doctor

I posted this in response to the “I Am Adam Lanza’s Mother” article that has been making the Internet rounds. In this time of horrific tragedy, let your voice be heard by decision makers: http://tinyurl.com/PsychDrugsKill.

I Am “Adam Lanza’s” Doctor

I have treated “Adam Lanza”, male and female, young and old, for decades.

I am a Child, Adolescent and Adult Psychiatrist. I did my psychiatric residency at Lincoln Hospital and, along with my child psychology residency, also at St. Luke’s Hospital of Columbia University.

I have worked with Autistic people of all ages, the Asberger’s Syndrome people, Schrizophrenic people, BiPolar people, Multiple Personality Disorder people, OCD, ADD, ADHD, and pretty much every other type of labeled person in my 42+ year career since graduating from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City.

And I have never written a prescription for a psychiatric drug. Or any other type of drug, for that matter.

I have, while serving as the Acting Director for a Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Ward of a large hospital not very far from Newtown, CT, looked at the drugged, disoriented, drooling and dangerous children in my care ranging from age 4 to 16 and take ALL of them off all psychiatric medication, weaning them carefully, of course, because I simply could not tell what we were dealing with other than drug-damaged brains and bodies of the young and very young kids I had under my care.

The nurses told me I could not do that because they could not contain the children. I asked them how they knew that since the children who were violent, homicidal and suicidal were ALL on drugs known to make them violent, homicidal and suicidal.

They told me that I could not do that and that they would go to the union to prevent me from taking the kids off their meds. I replied that the meds were not the kids’ meds. They were the staff’s meds since they kept the staff comfortable and feeling safe.

They went to the Union. I had my physician’s license in CT, a Union Card that trumped theirs.

The 4 year old on 11 different psychiatric medications who was toe walking (a sign of neurological damage in a 4 year old) and who wanted to die stopped drooling and spinning around in circles when she came off the meds.

I was the first person to ask he why she had plunged a knife into Mommy’s boyfriend’s leg when he was asleep. She told me “He was hurting me down there [pointing to her vagina] every night and Mommy would not stop him”. When the event occurred, she was medicated without a single person taking a moment to ask why the act had taken place.

You see, I am old enough to have learned my craft and art BEFORE the advent of untested, highly profitable, and totally unconscionable psychiatric drugs. I read the literature on these neurological poisons and saw that the long terms studies were absent, that the pediatric studies were absent and that the advertising-supported “impartial” journals were nothing more than paper prostitutes all dressed up in paper dresses and glossy ads.

I watched in horror as younger and younger children were placed on stronger and stronger drugs for less and less indication (although, admittedly, in my mind there is no justification for the use of any psychiatric drug).

I learned orthomolecular medicine and psychiatry. That works. I learned how to listen and move people toward emotional health. That works too. I learned how to employ NeuroBioFeedback to teach the brain how to regulate itself and the body in harmony with its capacity and needs. That works fantastically well. I learned how to use frequency medicine, homeopathy, herbal medicine, intravenous nutrition and a variety of other modalities which actually support healing. They work.

I learned how to use nutrition, diet and detoxification, for which I studied Environmental Medicine. That works.

What does not work is drugging the brain with toxins which create the very symptoms for which the drugs are given in the first place.

I have met and held “Adam Lanza’s” mother in my arms as she wept in fear and exhausted despair. And I have held her in my arms as she wept for the joy of having her child clear eyed and of sound mind not in moments of quick hope, but continually and consistently.

I have held “Adam Lanza’s” mother’s hand in court as we pressured his school to give him the education he needed, not the one that they made money on from destructive State subsidies for the correct diagnosis and another drugged kid.

I have sat with “Adam’s” brothers and sisters helping them to undo the trauma that Adam-on-drugs has brought to their lives.

“Adam Lanza” and I have spent hours together as he climbed out of the pit of his own psychosis, without drugs, confinement or violence, but not necessarily smoothly, either.

And I have attended the funeral of more than 1 “Adam Lanza” whose family pressured his mom, or whose divorced parent pressured the custodial parent through the Court, to put “Adam” on drugs – and then did not even have the good grace or decency to accept responsibility for his death.

We know of absolutely no chemical imbalance to account for mental and emotional illness. We know that genes are disrupted so function is distorted by a host of causes, chief among which are heavy metals like mercury and industrial poisons like formaldehyde, fluoride and foreign DNA and proteins which call forth an auto immune reaction and cause neurological disruption.

This is a type of expression of a larger cause of disability I have called “Genome Disruption Syndrome” or GDS (www.GDS-Therapy.com). It, not a psuedo-science “genetic drift”, accounts for the changes in the human genome which are linked to increased cancer rates, autism, increased diabetes rates and the other chronic, degenerative diseases which were virtually unknown in our grandparents and parents childhoods. The genome is the same. The genomic disruption is by no means the same.

I must presume that this Adam Lanza was not only medicated (or had recently discontinued his medications) with psychiatric meds, but was also vaccinated.

So this Adam Lanza was toxic with thimerosol (49.6% mercury by weight), formaldehyde, fluoride, MSG, foreign DNA, diploid cells, foreign protein, Polysorbate 80 (or “TWEEN”) and other systemic toxins injected into his body regardless of their toxicity and regardless of his ability to remove them from his body.

So this Adam was, if my supposition is correct, neurotoxic. A victim of Genome Disruption.

His mother, I must also presume, had no intent to harm him when she allowed his genome to be repeatedly overwhelmed with unnecessary and dangerous vaccines and then, similarly, with dangerous and unnecessary psychiatric medications. No, I am sure that she followed the perhaps-well-intentioned advice of experts who themselves have suspended their capacity to evaluate data and instead rely on the herd’s belief that since it is said so often, the safety and efficacy of the drugs and vaccines purveyed so beautifully in the journals and ads, seminars and trainings (complete with pizza and salad during a busy lunch in a windowless conference room in the clinic or hospital) must be safe and effective.

They are neither and the “Adam Lanza’s” and their mothers, sisters, brothers, fathers, neighbors and, today, his grieving neighbors in Newton, CT. can testify to that.

There is a time to say NO. That time has arrived. No to psychiatric drugs. There is ALWAYS a better way. More than half of the people who kill themselves are on psychiatric drugs.

No to vaccines. There could not be a worse way. Virtually every modern outbreak and epidemic takes place in the fully vaccinated, to which the vaccine pusher’s retort is, “Well, give people more vaccine doses since 2 (or 3, or 4 or more) did not work. Call them boosters!” I call them Genome Disruption.

No to GMOs which are likewise altering our very genome.

Psychiatric drugs kill both those who take them and those they turn on.

They are unnecessary and dangerous, but oh, so profitable.

See my video, blog and take action here now:
http://tinyurl.com/PsychDrugsKill

Let your voice be heard by decision makers:
http://tinyurl.com/PsychDrugsKill

All of our children are Adam Lanzas; all of them are his victims.

Yours in health and freedom,
Dr. Rima
Rima E. Laibow, MD
Medical Director
Natural Solutions Foundation
www.SaveMyLifeDrRima.com

This entry was posted on Tuesday, December 18th, 2012 at 10:26 pm and is filed under The Law & CODEX . You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Responses are currently closed, but you can trackback from your own site.

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Dr Laibow's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/SaveMeDrRima
A longer talk by Dr Laibow: https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=V3cvqrNvcR8
Dr Laibow speaking from her office in Volcan, Chiriqui; Panama: https://youtube.com/watch?v=U9cR_j0PP1U

[Chester]

Posted by Vivek (here)
The next post will tie in the Kundalini... I think the direction this will go may be for a new thread concerning the last 10 or so posts I've made.

Notice I have not posted any responses, Vivek... and that is because I want you to stay on track... keep going. This is outstanding investigation and the questions you are raising along the way are equally outstanding.

go go go...

to Houman and Paul - Thanks for the last two posts

[Chester]

The only difference between me and an Adam Lanza was that I always directed the insanity at myself.

I do not know why I was different... since early in my life when I accepted that I loved everyone and in fact loved all life.

I can actually laugh now... as it was only a battle with a Horus-Ra possession all along.

If it were not for this forum and this thread, I may still have never figured it out.

Today... less than one year after attempting suicide twice, spending 8 days in a mental facility in Ciudad de Panama, Panama where anti-psychotic drugs were administered (and did assist me in achieving rapid relief from the strongest psychosis I had ever experienced (well over 15 or so)), and then enduring the gravest depression one could ever imagine founded by the fact that I was unable to kill myself because it would break my promise to my sons that I would never do what my Dad did... then to discover this thread on April 26th.

It is now only 8 months from that date and I have never, ever in my life been so utterly down to earth, dependable, an excellent father and husband and a top, dependable employee at a reasonably sizable organization... I am now someone who spends each and every day living life to the fullest, giving in every way opportunity provides - all with not one single drug since I left that facility in Panama on January 16th of this year.

If I can do this, anyone can. ANYONE.

The paradigm must shift. It is shifting.

The tables must turn. They are being turned as I type.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
She's awesome.

The website www.healthfreedomusa.org, where her material most often appears, is down.

Here is the text of her video "I Am Adam Lanza’s Doctor", from the Google cache of http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=13703

We're also discussing the work of Dr. Rima Laibow over here, including whether she meant to say that Adam Lanza was her actual patient, or a metaphorical example of many of her patients. She's the partner of General Stubblebine, and they live in Panama.

[Finefeather]

removed to avoid controversy

[Chester]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
She's awesome.

The website www.healthfreedomusa.org, where her material most often appears, is down.

Here is the text of her video "I Am Adam Lanza’s Doctor", from the Google cache of http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=13703

We're also discussing the work of Dr. Rima Laibow over here, including whether she meant to say that Adam Lanza was her actual patient, or a metaphorical example of many of her patients. She's the partner of General Stubblebine, and they live in Panama.

WoW! How is that for synchronicity? Thanks Paul

[Chester]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi Vivek
This is an excellent bit of research and I would like to encourage you to continue with this field...and, as I mentioned to you elsewhere a PDF of this would assist many in their understanding. These posts almost seem lost and out of place here...they need a better 'stage' IMO.
I do not wish to upset your thought patterns but this stood out to me as something you might want to consider...in connection with this statement you made:

Posted by Vivek (here)
Maybe the Spirit is the pervasive field that underlies all of reality (similar to the Higgs field in physics). When morphological constructs (i.e. subtle bodies) develop they modulate the flux of this field in certain respects. They divert the field in different ways; these morphogenetic constructs are akin to the Nadis in Yoga and/or the Meridians in Chinese medicine (see also: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/21850638/What-are-Nadis).

The Spirit is indeed the pervasive field that underlies all of reality, this is also known as Fohat in Tibetan esoteric writings, it manifests as the connection between dimensional levels and transforms or steps down and energizes each manifestation...7 of them...down to the physical dimension. In other words it is like a carrier wave in which many frequencies can exist at the same time. It is described sometimes as 3 aspects...Electrical Fire...Solar Fire...and Fire by friction...but we should not forget that the 3rd aspect, Fire by friction has 4 additional divisions. So I would have felt quite comfortable if you had left out the 'Maybe' in your statement because you have not really gone into much detail at that point...just a thought...

In another place you have stated that, “This Monad in turn creates a toroidal field around it -- this is the Soul.”
This is indeed so and can be seen in our auras. There are in fact 3 of these “Monads”, I prefer to call them Permanent Atoms, at the causal level of our existence, the one is at the bottom chakra, the other at the heart and the third in the head. So we have a multidimensional link to the inner planes and is not quite as simply represented as a single toroid all though that is what the 3 permanent atoms in fact are. This should also give some the understanding why a Soul cannot be separated from a Monad because a Soul cannot exist without a Monad.
The Soul is the quality of the Monad.

Much Love
Ray

Great Post ... I can understand why a separate thread and yet, I can also understand why it makes perfect sense for Vivek's investigation to be here - that being the consideration by some that some "agency" has somehow intervened within these various levels of our being and created the circumstance where some amongst us have had direct and seemingly unwanted (not consciously or knowingly consented to) interactions with the forces associated with this "agency."

I would believe it is Houman's call whether this material should remain. His last post does seem to shift the focus of the pathway Vivek's posts have taken.... I really don't have a place to make this call - but there's my thoughts anyways.

Back to your post, Ray - I truly close my mind to nothing. I prefer to have the foundational view that any possibility is... possible. Self admittedly it has concerned me that your expressions of the way it is are unsupportable from a physical reality sense and so when you say things like -

it manifests as the connection between dimensional levels and transforms or steps down and energizes each manifestation...7 of them...down to the physical dimension.

- that is where I begin to have a hard time.

I would need science to prove that to me OR, I need to remain within my (proven to myself to be true) belief that when it comes to the "other than physical reality" there are as many "versions" of reality as individual Spirit beings and/or collectives of these Spirit beings might care to derive.

That is how I see reality - it is a constantly unfolding creation and that each of us creates their own reality (which constantly changes) OR they sink into an acceptance of a reality that has been generated by one or more other Spirit beings OR artificial intelligences who have gained a strength over some Spirit beings.

Each and every day I create a whole new version of reality - a.) in my waking world... a much denser and thus less malleable revision of my reality as it changes moment to moment, but b.) in my dream world, it is becoming mind blowing as to how I can actually become a part of that "reality" that unfolds there.

Anyways - to the focus of this thread, how can we generate an acceleration of resolution to the problems brought forth here? Yes, understanding what we are dealing with can only help us find resolution, but at some point, we have to go to the next step and get proactive.

[lookbeyond]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi Vivek
This is an excellent bit of research and I would like to encourage you to continue with this field...and, as I mentioned to you elsewhere a PDF of this would assist many in their understanding. These posts almost seem lost and out of place here...they need a better 'stage' IMO.
I do not wish to upset your thought patterns but this stood out to me as something you might want to consider...in connection with this statement you made:

Posted by Vivek (here)
Maybe the Spirit is the pervasive field that underlies all of reality (similar to the Higgs field in physics). When morphological constructs (i.e. subtle bodies) develop they modulate the flux of this field in certain respects. They divert the field in different ways; these morphogenetic constructs are akin to the Nadis in Yoga and/or the Meridians in Chinese medicine (see also: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/21850638/What-are-Nadis).

The Spirit is indeed the pervasive field that underlies all of reality, this is also known as Fohat in Tibetan esoteric writings, it manifests as the connection between dimensional levels and transforms or steps down and energizes each manifestation...7 of them...down to the physical dimension. In other words it is like a carrier wave in which many frequencies can exist at the same time. It is described sometimes as 3 aspects...Electrical Fire...Solar Fire...and Fire by friction...but we should not forget that the 3rd aspect, Fire by friction has 4 additional divisions. So I would have felt quite comfortable if you had left out the 'Maybe' in your statement because you have not really gone into much detail at that point...just a thought...

In another place you have stated that, “This Monad in turn creates a toroidal field around it -- this is the Soul.”
This is indeed so and can be seen in our auras. There are in fact 3 of these “Monads”, I prefer to call them Permanent Atoms, at the causal level of our existence, the one is at the bottom chakra, the other at the heart and the third in the head. So we have a multidimensional link to the inner planes and is not quite as simply represented as a single toroid all though that is what the 3 permanent atoms in fact are. This should also give some the understanding why a Soul cannot be separated from a Monad because a Soul cannot exist without a Monad.
The Soul is the quality of the Monad.

Much Love
Ray

Ray, thankyou for this post, i actually felt trembly reading it.
Could you pls clarify something for me if possible. About 3 months after my Mother passed i felt her touch my face (it happened as i was falling asleep) this i hav assumed was her soul as i recognised her as my Mother.After the physical touch she passed right through/ into me, by this stage i was crying as this was "real" i was awake.
My question is, was this her soul or spirit?

Kind Reguards lookbeyond