The effect of Doubt (and after post #9, Jake asks to be unsubscribed)

[Tony]

The effect of Doubt.

The cell door is open: there is corridor with a door at the end
open to the light and we can leave and be free at any time...and yet we doubt.
We are so familiar with our cell that we have locked 'ourselves' in.

All we have to do is look, see, drop, be free. (“see” means be aware.)

Everything is a mere appearance is our awareness-mirror.
The words and images on this screen are also merely appearances.
What is important is the awareness of these images - dropping any comment....now!

There you are. 'You' is a description of a unique awareness.

Don't doubt that awareness.
That uncontaminated awareness, is pure you.

There appear to be 'things' happening out there,
but none of it affects this pure uncontaminated awareness.

We may read on the screen that low caste women in Delhi and children in
parts of South Africa are raped because of beliefs, but, horrific as that is,
it does not change the awareness. Unless we are go to India to do something
about it, it is still an appearance in the mind, to which we react.
Remember: there is always something to react to!

Yes, we want to do something about it, but find we cannot.
All we can do is be aware.
This may make us feel guilty, but that is only the mind consciousness
playing with the appearance, which we do all the time.
All we can actually do is be aware that we are not 'raping' others' minds.

You Know, but the thinking mind wants to know something.
That is precisely what keeps us in the cell.
We play with our ideas, we play with predictions, we play with anything we direct
our consciousness to.
This involvement creates doubt about our true being, because we are always distracted.
Doubt means not being sure, and lacking confidence.
That is the prison.

Not doubting is to do with intuition – the inner teacher.
The inner teacher is not our thinking mind: that is just the chatter box!

Even when we look, see, drop, the chattering will still go on like a self winding radio.
But the chattering is only a residue from the past programmes,
which we tune into and get distracted.

All we have to do is be aware and recognise.
So there is no actual doing involved!

It is so simple, so don't doubt.
Doubt is just a habit.

Be aware that there are people playing with our minds,
creating doubt and distracting us with entertainment (even on forums!),
to which we react.
Can you hear the key in the lock?

Don't believe anything, but trust pure, uncontaminated awareness.
This does not mean fear everything - they are mere appearances.
Of course, we want to do something about all this suffering,
but we can only do what we can do.
Sometimes we just do not have enough data..so again we can only do what we can do.

If we feel we are the body, we will have body awareness
If we think we are the mind, we will have mind awareness.
If we know we are pure awareness, we will be pure awareness awareness.

These words are not the experience of awareness.
'Your' awareness is the experience.

This pure awareness is not sterile.
It is full of love and compassion.

In merely being aware - in recognising pure awareness - we find 'ourselves' outside,
free and in the clear light.






All the best for the new year,
Tony

[binemaya]

Hi,
I´ve learned that 97 % of the dreams and ideas we have die in the first 10 seconds and this dying always starts with "BUT".

[Tony]

Posted by binemaya (here)
Hi,
I´ve learned that 97 % of the dreams and ideas we have die in the first 10 seconds and this dying always starts with "BUT".

It looks like we carry our dreams and idea around 100% of the time.
We just do not recognise we are locked in the Brave New World!

Talking about freedom, is dreaming of being awake.


All the best,
Tony

[binemaya]

How about changing from BUT to WHY NOT? or NOW or THX for the idea, let´s make it happen.....?
thx,

[Jake]

Yes we manifest our fears and doubts first. Thank you, Tony. I would disagree regarding 'nnot being able to do something' about attrocities!! I would greatly appreciate if you could explain a bit about the buhddist concept of 'balance through inactivity'. In another discussion, you insinuated that those of us who were discussing the ET enigma were being 'lofty' and turning a blind eye to rape!!! I would suggest that inactivity is BLINDNESS, and (just like christianity) you have justified a way for you to sit on you hands and do nothing. Tony,,, why dont you get off yer arss and go to Africa, and help these children out? Of course you can!!! There can be no awareness gained by sitting on your hands and watching the world burn around you!!! That is a copout!!

So you advise is to sit lotus style, close my eyes, and pretend nothing bad is happening, and even if there was, i cant do anything about it??????

Yes, thank you, very helpful.

[Tony]

Posted by Jake (here)
Yes we manifest our fears and doubts first. Thank you, Tony. I would disagree regarding 'nnot being able to do something' about attrocities!! I would greatly appreciate if you could explain a bit about the buhddist concept of 'balance through inactivity'. In another discussion, you insinuated that those of us who were discussing the ET enigma were being 'lofty' and turning a blind eye to rape!!! I would suggest that inactivity is BLINDNESS, and (just like christianity) you have justified a way for you to sit on you hands and do nothing. Tony,,, why dont you get off yer arss and go to Africa, and help these children out? Of course you can!!! There can be no awareness gained by sitting on your hands and watching the world burn around you!!! That is a copout!!

So you advise is to sit lotus style, close my eyes, and pretend nothing bad is happening, and even if there was, i cant do anything about it??????

Yes, thank you, very helpful.

Ah, I see you are choosing to misunderstand again Jake.
There is a relative reality, which is the temporary comings and goings in the world,
and there is absolute reality, our never changing essence,

If one muddles them up in a topic one will get confused.



All the best,
Tony

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by Jake (here)
Yes we manifest our fears and doubts first. Thank you, Tony. I would disagree regarding 'nnot being able to do something' about attrocities!! I would greatly appreciate if you could explain a bit about the buhddist concept of 'balance through inactivity'. In another discussion, you insinuated that those of us who were discussing the ET enigma were being 'lofty' and turning a blind eye to rape!!! I would suggest that inactivity is BLINDNESS, and (just like christianity) you have justified a way for you to sit on you hands and do nothing. Tony,,, why dont you get off yer arss and go to Africa, and help these children out? Of course you can!!! There can be no awareness gained by sitting on your hands and watching the world burn around you!!! That is a copout!!

So you advise is to sit lotus style, close my eyes, and pretend nothing bad is happening, and even if there was, i cant do anything about it??????

Yes, thank you, very helpful.

Dear Jake

When reading your post, I was reminded of how we know absolutely nothing of the day-to- day lives and actions of the person whom we are judging, and often base our opinions upon our own blinkered assumptions.

Thanks for the timely reminder.

Kathie

[gooty64]

This pure awareness

he-the OP-said something about.

I have this pure awareness for about 30-90 seconds +or- upon awakening from sleep.

Why is it so fleeting? Within just seconds it fades and the story and the personal problems, daily details all emerge to fill the space that just moments before had been so empty and pure.

Is it just me or does anyone else's mind race with trivial junk and endless details and thoughts of the past/future etc?

Time to clean house

[Jake]

I love you dearly, tony. My judjements are regarding the words, not the person.

I engage in,perhaps a different style. I do not apologize.

I do apologize for the derailement of your discussion!!

Tarka,,, there are heroes everywhere...

[Flash]

Posted by binemaya (here)
How about changing from BUT to WHY NOT? or NOW or THX for the idea, let´s make it happen.....?
thx,

or changing the but for AND... try it AND see what it gives, I have tried it thousands of times

[Dorjezigzag]

We cannot 'know' everything

do not fear doubt

If we know everything there is nothing left to learn
Be courageous and throw yourself into the unknown

Is life a mystery to be lived or a problem to be solved?

Even the universe is constantly learning and newly experiencing

[Flash]

Another trick is to try the "what if" system - part of reframing

And what if it works? And what if it were different? And what if i would end up liking it?....

We are here getting into the positive usage of NLP

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends,

Shortly after his last post above, Jake asked Paul by private message to unsubscribe him from the forum immediately. Paul did so, assuring him by e-mail that he would be more than welcome to return at any time.

The e-mail bounced. As best I know, we have no way of communicating with him now, and so I very much hope that he will notice and read this post.

Jake was a credit to the forum, and was a great friend of many. He cared deeply about people's personal suffering. New members may not know that he was also a loved and respected member of the moderators team for quite a while.

My view of what has happened is this.

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Dear Jake

When reading your post, I was reminded of how we know absolutely nothing of the day-to- day lives and actions of the person whom we are judging, and often base our opinions upon our own blinkered assumptions.

Thanks for the timely reminder.

Kathie

This post by Kathie is covertly hostile, carefully disguised, and was responsible for prompting Jake to leave. It had the effect of a carefully-wielded stiletto that kills but barely leaves a visible entry wound.

Members may be noticing that Tony (pie'n'eal) and Kathie (Tarka the Duck, who is his wife) often operate as a kind of tag team on threads. The way they work issues they have decided to promote is very borderline as far as forum protocols are concerned -- in my opinion. It's close to sockpuppetting each other's posts with an agreed agenda.

This has been clear for a while, and I have drawn the moderators' attention to this. Meanwhile, pie'n'eal is, also in my opinion, arrogant and over-intellectual, knows rather less than he believes he does, and misuses the forum to grandstand as a kind of self-appointed teacher. I feel strongly that the forum has lost out through this silly incident.

[Freed Fox]

Thanks for your input, Mr. Ryan.

I do not wish to fan any flames here, but perhaps now we have seen 'The effect of Certainty'.

If Jake is indeed reading, I would add my voice to yours in encouraging his return. There have been some strange negative energies about recently, which I am ashamed to admit that I contributed to today.

Here's to moving forward with compassion, love, and open-mindedness.

[RunningDeer]

Dear Jake,
I will miss your grounding and supportive energies.
I do hope you will return.
We need folks like you even more so now.

With heart,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer xo

[ulli]

Please Jake, do come back. Love you lots and lots.
And your post, Bill...all I can say is thank you.
I've had that stiletto directed at me several times...
each time puzzled by the ferocity with which it was wielded.
All I did was point out some not so wholesome aspects of Buddhism,
which is after all an ancient religion full of ancient traditions and an all male hierarchy.
Dialogue about this was squashed by Tarka each time I tried to open a discussion.

[Deneon]

As a new member here I can't comment on what has happened here, nor do I want to.

After having read Jake's eBook, the prospect of interacting with him on this forum was one of the main reasons for finally registering instead of just reading. His reply to my first post helped me out alot and I am really sad to hear he is gone now.

Add me to the list of people who want to see you return sooner rather than later, Jake.

[RunningDeer]

This is the Jake, I know. He's supportive and caring and loving:

It's from his "Happy New Year" thread.

"Happy Galactic new year! I am grinning from ear to ear!!! I am excited for the next 28,000 years,,, May they be peaceful and prosperous!!! May we all here at Avalon lead the way! Love you all!

Jake..."

[DNA]

Posted by Jake (here)
Yes we manifest our fears and doubts first. Thank you, Tony. I would disagree regarding 'nnot being able to do something' about attrocities!! I would greatly appreciate if you could explain a bit about the buhddist concept of 'balance through inactivity'. In another discussion, you insinuated that those of us who were discussing the ET enigma were being 'lofty' and turning a blind eye to rape!!! I would suggest that inactivity is BLINDNESS, and (just like christianity) you have justified a way for you to sit on you hands and do nothing. Tony,,, why dont you get off yer arss and go to Africa, and help these children out? Of course you can!!! There can be no awareness gained by sitting on your hands and watching the world burn around you!!! That is a copout!!

So you advise is to sit lotus style, close my eyes, and pretend nothing bad is happening, and even if there was, i cant do anything about it??????

Yes, thank you, very helpful.

I think what Tony is trying to illustrate is the power of prayer. And how doubts about our self worth, our intentions and even who we are praying to impede our ability to bring about change in this manner.

[music]

This is a difficult time. Quite apart from the fact there are some very intense energies right now, there are some of us who are severely let down by the lack of fireworks on the 21st, and some of us who are gloating over the lack of fireworks on the 21st. What we must remember is that nothing else matters but love, and when we relate to each from outside of this sacred space, things may be misconstrued (or not), intentionally (or not), insults may be intended (or not), insults may be taken (or not), etc. This is, and should be, a robust forum because nothing teaches us more than looking at the root of our disagreement with each other, and searching for the common ground of truth. When we disagree without a foot on the home-base of love however, we stray from the realm of growing awareness and become mired in labyrinth of the ego.

Love. It's easy.