Toronto Police raided my house 2 minutes ago

[Selene]

If I may say so, friends, a 911 call is difficult to prank or fake.

1) When you call from a land line, most modern urban 911 call centers automatically show the originating address of the call on their heads-up display. When you call 911 using a modern cell phone, it displays the geo-coordinates and nearest intersection/address for the call. This can save precious moments when dispatching emergency police/fire/ambulance to the site. But they know exactly where you are calling from. This is a matter of safety.

2) They will ask the caller for their name/address merely to confirm the two are the same. Hah!

3) Dispatchers push a button to alert police/fire/ambulance – and that will automatically link these into the ongoing call, even as they scramble to respond. The dispatcher and others will stay on the line, asking you for further information while the response vehicles are speeding to the site.

4) The dispatchers deal with real emergencies for breakfast. They know what panic/fear sounds like. They know what teenage pranksters do. They’ve been there. They are the best.

Believe me; if you’ve ever had a real emergency you’ll be eternally grateful for the very cool and experienced head of that 911 dispatcher at the other end of the line. They are the best.

Most common false alarm? The 911 button on your speedial gets “pocket dialed”. Ooops. They know that. But they are also trained so that if they get a call and “no sound” is on the other end: Is the caller a heart attack? Stroke? Medical emergency? Fire? Gunshot wound? They will always send a responder to a ‘silent’ call. Always answer and apologize profusely when/if you pocket dial…

Cheers,

Selene

[bram]

Posted by Selene (here)
Battered women rarely identify their husbands as their assailants if the husband is hovering over them saying: “It’s fine; she’s just hysterical. A little misunderstanding....”

Sadly, we now know better.

Four officers? I’ll bet two were women, trained domestic violence therapists. They asked your religion and origin to discern what your possible prior beliefs about (religiously) beating wives and children might be and how best to handle this. They were trying to protect your loved ones under Canadian human rights laws.

Can I just say that you are lucky to have this level of protection. In many places in the world, men can knock their women and children around with complete impunity, and the violence can reach horrific proportions such as the acid attacks common in Pakistan, and the gang rape by police of women or children who complain about domestic violence.

In Saudi Arabia, men are sanctioned under law to slap their wives if they get uppity, or if they spend money without permission etc..... Goes to show that Canada is a civilized country.

[Flash]

Posted by bram (here)

Posted by Selene (here)
Battered women rarely identify their husbands as their assailants if the husband is hovering over them saying: “It’s fine; she’s just hysterical. A little misunderstanding....”

Sadly, we now know better.

Four officers? I’ll bet two were women, trained domestic violence therapists. They asked your religion and origin to discern what your possible prior beliefs about (religiously) beating wives and children might be and how best to handle this. They were trying to protect your loved ones under Canadian human rights laws.

Can I just say that you are lucky to have this level of protection. In many places in the world, men can knock their women and children around with complete impunity, and the violence can reach horrific proportions such as the acid attacks common in Pakistan, and the gang rape by police of women or children who complain about domestic violence.

In Saudi Arabia, men are sanctioned under law to slap their wives if they get uppity, or if they spend money without permission etc..... Goes to show that Canada is a civilized country.

For women, Canada is probably the best place in the world, and i have traveled, I do know. Men are not too macho (although still protecting their power through glass ceilings in corporations), laws are protecting us, we can have decent jobs, we do have a say where we live.

And we can report beating and harassment and rape in order to be protected. Unless you are in the very rich milieu with tons of money where you can buy anything, money will have little impact on lawyers, judges, judicial psychiatrist, to help a women and her children (in other words, they are difficult to buy, not for business - there they are easily bought, but for sheer beating and abuse, they are hard to buy).

In other countries, women get easily in real big difficulties whenever they demand anything. Canada is even better than France where women have to be young, sexy and somewhat intelligent to get a decent job and where men are still quite macho.

Canada is a nice country. Where rules and laws are often abused by people coming from elsewhere (they profit from and often screw a socialistic human oriented system using all the ways they have learned in their countries - ways we did not know and for which we have no protection - which is actually braking the system apart). Do not forget that the Sharia law almost got implemented in Ontario and was stopped through international outcry. That would have made all Muslim women in Canada having a different law to be judged upon, and slowly having other customs contrary to ours implemented in our country.

[Mulder]

I have a policy of NOT answering my door to any stranger who knocks and I usually don't answer my phone. The Police ARE not your friends & I have no more patience for them. Since I'm renting, the landlord can get repair costs from them.

PS. I have had the Police come with a search warrant and they have searched my house, but it was on a patently false complaint - that I was the only person to know some guy's name:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1_hj_WB27fU

[Dennis Jonathan]

Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved?

If so I would have some private communication with an admin.

Hope you and the family are keeping your chins up about this.

Must have been difficult for them :/

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Dennis Jonathan (here)
Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved?

If so I would have some private communication with an admin.

It's not clear to which post, or poster, you're responding. It usually works better to "Reply With Quote", so that's clear, and so the poster gets notified that someone is replying to them.

If you're replying to this thread's original post, by Levent tonga, then I and apparently others were under the impression that this Toronto Police raid occurred at Levent tonga's very own residence. If my guesses are right so far in this reply, then it's entirely unclear to me what you would suggest Levent tonga discuss with an admin .

[Billy]

Posted by Dennis Jonathan (here)
Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved?

If so I would have some private communication with an admin.

Hope you and the family are keeping your chins up about this.

Must have been difficult for them :/

Are you asking this because of this comment

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
PS to whom concern
I know you , who are the initiators. But I am warning you,your effort will make a rebound effect in some way.
No peace any more

I was also not sure if this was directed to an Avalon member or just a general statement to someone else out there.

peace

[Dennis Jonathan]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by Dennis Jonathan (here)
Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved?

If so I would have some private communication with an admin.

Hope you and the family are keeping your chins up about this.

Must have been difficult for them :/

Are you asking this because of this comment

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
PS to whom concern
I know you , who are the initiators. But I am warning you,your effort will make a rebound effect in some way.
No peace any more

I was also not sure if this was directed to an Avalon member or just a general statement to someone else out there.

peace

Yes I was responding to the OP's comment to the "initiators" quotes above.

[Tangri]

Posted by Vitalux (here)
So let see if I understand this correctly
The police receive a 911 complaint relating to domestic violence at your home.
They go there to investigate.
They talk to everyone until they are convinced there is not domestic violence occurring. Then they leave.

What again is the problem? I am confused ?

I would hope that if a woman was being beat or any other violence was occurring and the police were called.
I certainly would hope that they would respond.

I think the OP has left out some details

What again is the problem? I am confused ?

So what I understand is, you do not have family or any child to protect.
Problem is , It happened 3.00 am they forced to woke up my daughter.
Even if they were doing their job , it is not my concern, I do not care. My concern is violation of my peace in the middle of the night or morning.
Ok, they probably would save someone in their opinion, what about our suffering when they satisfied their concern. They didn't care about our shock and caused terror on us. They just left without saying a sorry for breaking peace in my house.
My daughter still having anxiety and shaking memory of woke up with uniformed polices on her door step.

[Tangri]

Posted by Dennis Jonathan (here)

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by Dennis Jonathan (here)
Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved?

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
PS to whom concern
I know you , who are the initiators. But I am warning you,your effort will make a rebound effect in some way.
No peace any more

I was also not sure if this was directed to an Avalon member or just a general statement to someone else out there.

peace

Yes I was responding to the OP's comment to the "initiators" quotes above.

Do not get be offended with PS to whom concern
I know you , who are the initiators. But I am warning you,your effort will make a rebound effect in some way.
As I wrote, it addressed that, what I did suspect at first moment. It is not your concern, do not worry.
Initiators are people or creatures who send these nightmares in my home.
Also you said Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved? I am a forum member. Is it not enough important to post this event ,for you?

[Tangri]

Thank you sigma6,

You are the one of the few people caught the point.

I do not have a 24/7 paid lawyer, I had to wait until today to get some responds.

Claiming a report from 911 records is not easy as we witnessed at TV serials.
What they said .It was a concern neighbor call, which he reported, he heard broken windows , glasses and screaming.(his name under protection at the moment)
Now I have to pay to the lawyer for this no help info.
Also I contacted with some of my old associates , they assured me ,this incidence was not related what I said or will say.
I feel like being raped. (by pranks or by system)

Making false common sense is propaganda for old and new world orders.
They show us the death and make us accept the malaria.
Mass are accepting the harassment, bullying in sake of made up common sense.
At home I use my words ,instead of my voice volume.
I use my hugs instead of my threats.

The Generalization is a big mistake which put the victims in silence.

I know in Saudi Arabia men hit their wives then lets put all Arabs in dangerous offender status.

I heard that British Royals like flash meat, lets put all British in Cannibal tribe's list.

I heard that French eat snails and frog legs. let put all francophone frog eater's list

I heard that Jews are in banking business, then all Jews are rich and wealthy.

This is dead end common senses.
I am very sad and tired now.
Sincerely,

[sigma6]

Do Everything You Can To Learn About Your Rights


And here, the line of thinking may be good, but the source is not lack of education (some uneducated people are good with good heart and would not hurt a fly), but drugs, which are imported, I will admit, by CIA and Bush family.

Funny (scary) how you are so readily flew past this as almost 'normal' - to me that is the kind of 'brainwashing' I am talking about. Crime syndicates running the government is not normal, and an education might make people aware of this. That you acknowledge its existence is a start, but it is clear there is a underlying 'acceptance' of this. Like there is "nothing we can do about it" or "they are raising funds to help save America" or "it just is..." who knows, but it is NOT normal, or acceptable in any way shape or form under any circumstances. It only exists because people are truly ignorant of it existence and the ones who are aware think nothing can be done about it (which is a form of acceptance)

Then lauding how the police are good guys for 'protecting' a girl from crime they have created in the first place... is ludicrous. The "comfy prison planet" scenario. People are becoming conditioned into buying this kind of thinking without seeing the blind spots in their own reasoning.

A friend asked his lawyer friend, to explain what his rights were. So he asked "So what are my rights?" The lawyer replied "I don't know, what rights do you have?"

There are two jurisdictions (statutory and non-statutory) The only person who can exercise your rights is you, and people who have no clue what their rights are, or don't know what they are, or don't want to make the effort to even consider what they are don't have any or won't be able to invoke them when they need to.

When everything is going great that's wonderful, but what stops abusers from abusing the system? Just them being 'good guys'? Where is the system of control for them? Winston told me once "the government is my servant" I thought he was just being cocky. Now I realize he was talking about something that is lost on everyone, just as it was lost on me once. He was talking about a different trust relationship existing.

In the statutory system you are a corporate employee in a corporate system, ie a corporate slave. You are then offered "benefits and privileges" This is clearly for the purpose of control. As they can now be taken away from you at any time. And will never be a substitute for the God given rights you already had in the first place! But decided to forget what they were and take the pablum instead. In a trust based system, such as a republic, the government is your servant and fiduciary trustee. Everything the government does we the people can do. In a statutory system you are a "person" (surety for a title that they are controlling) In a non -statutory system you are a people, with rights that can't be taken away, and they are the servant (that is why they are getting paid with taxes) People have got it completely backwards. Not having knowledge or any desire to exercise your rights is like being in a boat without a sail, you can count on good weather and sunshine when it's out, but if you don't acquire and learn how to use a sail before the weather gets rough, its too late...

I guess I shouldn't despair I have seen people walk into hotels and restaurants and get manhandled by the staff, and if they can't figure out who is the client/customer and who is the service provider in that environment, how on earth are they ever going to figure out what their rights are in the public system. And I have seen that a lot of people actually like being told what to do by their service providers, where to sit, whether they can move a table or a chair, etc. All the while it is you paying their tip and paycheck and providing the means for the existence of the entire restaurant in the first place. It's all subtle because the service provider is very skilled. But it is laughable. And you better believe it that the owner, if he is worth his salt, understands this principle... like his life depends on it. If push came to shove there are two choices: give me my money back and I go to the next restaurant or serve me. I see the same thing in how people get so frustrated with customer service call centers. So yes, there is a real skill required and an understanding, but I couldn't imagine functioning, without that understanding and knowledge and the control that it brings into your life.

I am the manager of my own life. We should all be taking responsibility for our own safety and although we should have every expectation that the police are going to bend over backwards to serve us like we are the true source of their paychecks and standard of living, I believe it is our individual responsibility to make sure they do so because of our knowledge of what our rights are, and educating them if and when necessary. And they do recognize and respect you when it is apparent you are aware. (preferring easier targets) Everyone here who is playing the "politically correct" angle that you're supposed to allow the police in your house are kidding themselves imo, and proof of the extent of "television" thinking. It tells me they are substituting doing a little homework in exchange for having other people run their lives, the nanny state.

A newfie has a hole in his roof, when I ask him why doesn't he fix it, he says "no need to, it's not causing any problem, and when it's raining I say again "well why don't you fix it now?" and he say's "I can't, it's too slippery on the roof"

I would have thought that people would have rejoiced at the idea their is hope and that there is a solution, and there is a way to exercise our power and take back our rights. I didn't think everyone would try to convince themselves that it's perfectly fine to allow the police in your home, and that it is OK because there are few good ones that will help you out once in a while from crimes that they are the underlying source of, that is brilliant. People eating up the fear-security soup... mmmm... yummy... Even on the tv shows they show you how they play good guy/bad guy... come on people.

In my whole life I have never had any problem that I couldn't deal with, without the police. When ever I have gone to them to report anything, I don't recall them ever doing anything about it, EVER. If I could count the biggest problems I have ever had, would be the police or the government. Especially when you start to ask questions (apparently it's against their policy) I know they are lying, manipulating and using us to their advantage and I finally have proof that this is true, and I can see why they do it, and how they get away with it.

And now my conscience tells me that I must take responsibility and do something about it. Even if it is only starting by identifying the problem, asking more questions, studying, researching, seeking others on the same path. I am so glad I don't watch tv. You have no idea.

I hope this resonates with Levent Tonga, if he is thinking long term he will be taking this to heart. This gets down to short term vs long term thinking... and I will say this, if it can happen once, I can assure you it will happen again. I am not waiting till they are at my door. And if and when they arrive I want to be ready.

I was once told the reason for the criminal code isn't for us, but was to protect us from government employees... I am not a government employee. regardless the use of SSN card, or driver's license.

I am sovereign sentient living soul, and live in this body, and the holder of evidence of proof that the Crown is holding this NAME for public purpose. And you are a servant of that same government sworn to protect the public, and I accept your oath of office, Do YOU understand?

(translated to mean that YOU are under jurisdiction to your statutory system, and as the holder with superior claim to the title, that the Crown is holding, and you are sworn to protect, you have to look after MY interests) Which also makes me the creditor source in their statutory system. Have I perfected it? Not yet, but it is becoming clearer and clearer... It is just a matter of time now... and I never care how long it will take...

How do you want to live your life?


Links for my own reference:

previous:
Russia Tells US To Back Off
Matrix In A Nutshell


following:
David Wynn Miller
What I think of Miller & My Court Experience

[sigma6]

after reading alot of the posts above, it is sad to see a lot of people trying to take the focus away with side issues, what I call the "politically correct" crap, it sounds legitimate on the surface, but it's more about distracting the main issue imo... and it does make me wonder sometimes (ok, very often)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

They are colating information on which groups go to which lists.

It is a hugemovement to identify possible internal groups forming that would oppose govt austerity.

Whats important more than ever is to have a handycam ready and film the event. It completely changes their behaviour when you do.

Most the time they are doing their job. Sometimes they can get a little over zelous in their duties. Giving authority to people can be a mistake when they are not properly mentally acessed.

Im so sorry you had to go through that. Its important to have a good barrier between you and your activities. Wether they be on here or out there. They are watching and colating everything to asess who is a threat to their agenda in particular groups capable of violence.

If you get on forums and state violent or retributive comments you should expect a knock onthe door. It is best to communicate here in a peaceful manner so not to draw attention to your self. I know we can get angry, you have a right to be angry, just be mindful of your audience :-)

I say this to all our alternative community now more than ever we have to watch our pees and ques, just to maintain our own safety.

One thing i was told by a friend who works deep within these agentcies. He said, do not draw attention to your self and you will be left alone.

Bit hard with so much going on but theremare other ways :-)

Levent, dont give in to the fear or hate this can generate. I know its a violation, im so sorry this happened to you. Be calm and think of how to document and make an official complaint. Do not take the law ( not that it really exists anymore ) into your own hands. Because for what e er reason you have come up on their radar.

Naniu :-)

[sigma6]

Study The Anomalies

One thing I was told by a friend who works deep within these agencies. He said, do not draw attention to your self and you will be left alone.

People are still not getting it...

Tasting more of that 'yummy soupy' stuff again... I am not into protesting, etc, especially now that media refuses to televise it or report on it. But if you are completely ignorant I would 'stay low' for sure. Don't jump into something you don't understand, don't flag yourself until you can stand on your own two feet. (They WILL make an example of you to scare the other sheeple, cause they know some are starting to figure it out)

But once you know your rights that's a whole different ball game. What I am talking about is probably not known outside courts, legal circles, maybe certain freemason levels, and only a few of the too many freedom movements (most are horribly lost, but not all!) So don't be surprised if 99% of people don't 'git it' But we have to start somewhere, and this is just as good as any place. (I have resigned myself to the fact)

David Clarence said to study the anomalies (in court and legal procedures) ie weird things that happen, that don't initially "make sense" - when something unusual happens, either through your efforts or by you stumbling onto something, and it is strange and bizarre, or when they are trying to pretend it didn't happen, or they are trying to cover something up, it is something that must be to your advantage, but they will do anything to keep it from you. And they try to get away from it as fast as possible. It is something that they don't want you to know. I have a handful of stories, one I experienced first hand myself. So I don't blame others for not 'getting it' I had an experience that took me over a year to figure out what happened!

I call them "supernatural events" that happen in the court room, (lol) it is almost like seeing a UFO. Because it is so hard to believe unless you understand what is going on or you have seen it for yourself... and of course it is even harder for others to believe.

1. What makes the police release someone after receiving certified notarized copies in triplicate (no longer think certifying is necessary) of Birth Certificate documents in the case of a man jailed for selling raw milk? That and criminal code definitions of the word "person" and a copy of a letter from the Deputy Registrar General stating that the Registrar General does not register people, but events (didn't say persons, since they do register persons, but NOT people)


2. What causes a judge to be red faced and threatening someone with contempt in one minute and when the guy responds "I don't take orders from servants" The judge goes pale, then as the bailiff is coming to grab the guy, he jumps out of his seat and goes to the side, still shell shocked waving his arms to the bailiff saying "Let him do whatever he wants!" ??


3. I have entered some docs including copies of my B.C. Drivers, and Original SIN application all, accepted for value.
I walked into court and said in a criminal jurisdiction, "Do you understand that I am the trustee, and grantor in fact with special interest in the NAME?" The Judge got up like he was getting away from a vampire and bee-lined to his exit door. No explanation, no signal, almost like it was automatic and he didn't have control of himself. Why? Then he came back again in 5 seconds. Why?


4. Another man after 17 appearances, loses it and says "what the f*** are you f***ers doing with my f***in NAME!!" the long and short of it, his case gets dismissed.


5. Another man deliver his BC to the landlord tenant office before his hearing and signs in as the alleged tenant, during judgement a lawyer walks into the court and tells the arbitrator they have no jurisdiction over this man. To this day he is not the one paying the rental fee anymore. (I have met him at meetings) Why?

6. My friend makes an appt with a JP, the JP immediately started a recording device.
(but will tell you that you can't record...huh?) Then requested that "X"
present a driver's license. "X" presents his driver's license...
JP: "is this your driver's license"
X: "No it is the Province Of Ontario's Driver's License"
JP: "State for the record your address of residency"
X: "Only legal entities can have a residency..."
JP: "Well aren't you "John Doe"?"
X: "No I am not a legal entity"
JP: "So why are you in possession of these documents?"
X: "Because I am the legal holder of them, and they were issued to me by the Province of Ontario... and they were issued because of the BC, ("X" pulls out his BC...)
"This is a certificate of the registration of that Name by the Province of Ontario,
and here is the registration number, the registration date, and the date of issuance, when it was issued to me... I am nothing more then the holder of these documents..."
JP: "Are you not consenting then to your parents forming that contract?"
X: "No I didn't consent to my parents forming that contract"
JP: "Well then who are you?"
X: "I am a child and heir of God"
JP: (speechless...)
JP: "What can I do for you"
(note: then stated he couldn't do anything because he didn't have any jurisdiction! - it's like they know when it suits them)

Now I am not saying these guys, including myself were 100% accurate, but they hit some buttons and made that big "Operating System" call forth some "functions" So yes, it is very much like there is a matrix (or operating system) And one can sometimes get results, but this is hard evidence, that something is going on out there... I think you are getting the picture... and you don't really know what is go on there do you? (nor I completely... yet)

If you are a seeker of truth, there should be something stirring in your soul right now hankering to know the truth of each and every one of these "occurrences"

So I don't buy your buddies advice other then that is how they dog train us...
there is some knowledge out there, and it's worth pursuing, and something tells me y'all don't want to be waiting for the next few years....
I just added the link in the my post above...
I am going to link all the related posts on anything related to this topic from now on to make sure it is as easy to find for myself and others as possible...

ps. I do like the video camera idea, that evidence can be used as a witness in court, sure..



links for my own reference:

previous:
Russia Tells US To Back Off
Matrix In A Nutshell


following:
David Wynn Miller
What I think of Miller & My Court Experience

[Carmody]

When you have a camera in hand or in house, yes, use that. In the case of using a camera, try and have one that is Bluetooth or wireless connected in some fashion. so that the video is being sent wirelessly to some remote place, during filming or just slightly after. In this way, nothing can be done to destroy the video evidence, as it is not local to the camera or local to any computer in the house, or in the case of being out in the world, not local to your cell phone. Just a thought...

[Tangri]

Posted by Carmody (here)
When you have a camera in hand or in house, yes, use that. In the case of using a camera, try and have one that is Bluetooth or wireless connected in some fashion. so that the video is being sent wirelessly to some remote place, during filming or just slightly after. In this way, nothing can be done to destroy the video evidence, as it is not local to the camera or local to any computer in the house, or in the case of being out in the world, not local to your cell phone. Just a thought...

Dear Carmody,

It is like watching same picture but seeing different things.
Try to feel empathy for me. Some one knocking your door like trying to break up.
You can only ask their identity and their purpose(in some case it is not working)
Because of my professional background , I always expect someone calling me for help, my automatic respond is not to refuse the call.
Remembering the camera , cell phone, remote access video safety were only fantasy at that moment. (It was 3.00 am)

Any way, today I received a phone call from little higher rank of the officers and heard that case closed and an apology for any inconveniences.
I forgive the 4 male gorillas for jumping around and messing my house.
I hope also I will forget someday but not yet, it was a very traumatic experience for everyone around me.

Only one disappointment left with me, some of comments almost blamed me and tried to reasoning my rape case. even one of them tried to blame me cause of disrupting their perfect socialist system. IT WAS VERY BITTER shame and sadness what kind of trauma that person experienced with my kind in her past which push her to attack the victims instead of perpetrators.
Everybody needs Peace

[sigma6]

I agree the video, camera thing is a general topic only. But there is a lesson to be learned here. Don't wait till they are knocking at your door like what happened to Tonga. If you haven't prepared in advance you won't know what to do. This is all part of how they manipulate people.

I will tell you the next time the police are knocking at your door. Don't answer it, they can't enter, I have seen them knocking on someone's door, and flashing lights, that lit up the whole neighbourhood like a street rock concert, or carnival night, and banging on this guy's door. It reminded me of how the US military was blasting rock music at Noreaga, when he was holed up in that Church in Panama. It shows how sophisticated they are, and what lengths they will go to sucker people into not exercising their rights.

Just think, if they could just make up some 'politically correct' health and safety BS excuse, why didn't they bash this guys door down??? Why the circus, why the psyops? - because they are skirting the laws. They are getting YOU to open the door. Unlike in TV land (where you are being programmed by watching police breaking down everyone doors) in the REAL world - They can't without committing a criminal act that they wouldn't be able to deny. (ie. the damaged door, witnessess)

It's all mind control psyche techniques. To get the programmed 'television watchers' to run to the door to invite them in. They can only knock louder and feed you a bunch of BS from the other side of the door. Evidence of break and enter, and trespassing, is a serious charge if you stick to it, and very hard for them to defend against.

And unfortunately, since they are trained how to lie, cheat, manipulate, and abuse the law when they know they can get away with it. I will have nothing to do with them, and I would never open my door to them. I would call and arrange an interview with witnesses present if they want to talk with me.

As soon as you open the door, they can and will use it to construe an agreement to enter, unless you are really well versed, but I am still blown away by all the bizarre, "let the police into your home" responses" that was a real eye opener. Not what I was expecting from this forum at all. I suggest people take their TVs and throw them out the nearest window of your home. There is some misinformation leeching into your diet somewhere.

This is embarrassing as even mainstream knows this... I don't even get where people are coming up with this "invite them in" stuff. Tonga is speaking from experience, I think other people are just projecting stuff they have seen on TV.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vZuqHC2rJkk

[Flash]

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
Dear Carmody,

It is like watching same picture but seeing different things.
Try to feel empathy for me. Some one knocking your door like trying to break up.
You can only ask their identity and their purpose(in some case it is not working)
Because of my professional background , I always expect someone calling me for help, my automatic respond is not to refuse the call.
Remembering the camera , cell phone, remote access video safety were only fantasy at that moment. (It was 3.00 am)

Any way, today I received a phone call from little higher rank of the officers and heard that case closed and an apology for any inconveniences.
I forgive the 4 male gorillas for jumping around and messing my house.
I hope also I will forget someday but not yet, it was a very traumatic experience for everyone around me.

Only one disappointment left with me, some of comments almost blamed me and tried to reasoning my rape case. even one of them tried to blame me cause of disrupting their perfect socialist system. IT WAS VERY BITTER shame and sadness what kind of trauma that person experienced with my kind in her past which push her to attack the victims instead of perpetrators.
Everybody needs Peace

Since I am directly targeted, I will answer.

First:
You have all my empathy for what you felt. You have all my empathy, you and your family, for the nightmare. Definitely not fun. However, they even called you to apologise, which is more than regular people would get. It does not take away your rape of your living space, but it definitely put away the tendency they may have had to try again.

Second: My socialist country is just that. Quite quiet on average, but I agree, it may change. You have lived elsewhere, most probably when it was a dictatorship, do not tell me that this did not happen frequently then. It was as traumatizing then for your countrymen, may be more because they would be brought God knows where for indefinite periods of time, family not knowing what to do. Although I know it is infinitely much better now.

Third: Comparing the invasion of your apartment, with a rape of your living space, with the invasion of ones own body with rape, (naming rape without specifying makes us make this association) shows how little you understand about physical rape. There is simply no comparison. This amazes me still more because if I am right, you are in the mental health care department professionnally. If you do such a comparison now, how do you react for physical rape, a physical rape victim cannot do otherwise than understand that you do not understand. Multiply your actual feeling by 1000.

Fourth: The comments on the Canadian society and immigrants in my post were not targeting you at all. They were there to explain to the general Avalon public the differences occuring in this same society were we are becoming more and more like those societies that are dictatorship or similar. How fragile is freedom and respect of one owns space, body, life.

Fifth: You know very well that the family will follow on the step of the parents in emotional terms. If you take it so bad, they will too. If you explain to your kids what happen without emotional reactivity, they will get pass it easier. Your choice. If it is too difficult, do get help.

Sixth: adressed to Sigma 6 :

Tonga is speaking from experience, I think other people are just projecting stuff they have seen on TV.

Dead wrong, I most probably have much more experience than Levent Tonga can ever imagine. And maybe even more than yours.

I have seen policeman, in Canada, - yes I precise, in some countries they would be the last ones I want in front of me, in Canada the last ones are pimps and drug lords/mafia lords - policeman being just plain jerks, mostly when they are part of "special teams", and I have seen policeman being very helpful and caring. I have seen some saving lifes and taking the bullets for it. I did live in very tough neighborhoods. I did have my life saved by them, with their big boots and huge body coming in unanounced.

They may be all working for higher up were corruption is rampant and still higher up the ladder, for the ones who are instillating the nightmares of this culture/society, it does not mean that they know them personnally and are all bad at the bottom or even at the middle, and some rare ones at the top. Your discourse has no grey zone, when in life there is in fact lots of grey zones.

In fact, somewhere, as long as your are working and getting a paycheck, you are working for the illuminatis, which is in fact the real drama. It does not mean we are all bad.

You are definitely judging as stupid and "projectors" those that do not entirely agree with you. To tell the truth, I would very much like to know more about our real rights, but the black and white cut off that you present makes it more repulsive than attractive to me. I do not believe that those cops were bad, they did what was thaught to them (which does bring in some problems though), and their personal intention were to save lives.

• Was it alright to invade a home: NO
• Was is traumatizing to the family: YES
• Will it leave marks: MOST PROBABLY
• Were the cops, 4 giants, impressive and not empathetics: MOST PROBABLY
• Could they have done otherwise: YES, mostly if there is no emergency
• Were they ill intentioned on individual basis: NO

Finally, I am sorry for what happened XXX, I am mostly sorry for the trauma you felt on a personal basis. You do have to come back from it for the sake and health of your family and yourself. Get help if needed.

[sigma6]

Well I don't want to be too hard on you Flash, as I see that you get enough criticisms, but I think you may be over reaching in your interpretations, your opinions always come off like psychic readings to me... I am reminded of your post 134 in the Sandy Hook Newtown massacre in particular... https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post601602 where you were essentially saying the guy was faking it, reading from a script, aware of the camera, but his 'micromovements' were all completely normal? ... to me that is double speak... (lol)

Since I am directly targeted, I will answer.

but the quote starts as "Dear Carmody" ?? and he said he was also speaking generally in other parts? so you are taking alot on yourself here

However, they even called you to apologise, which is more than regular people would get.

this means absolutely nothing, and could be nothing more then more politically correct bs to cover themselves...

It was as traumatizing then for your countrymen, may be more because they would be brought God knows where for indefinite periods of time, family not knowing what to do. Although I know it is infinitely much better now.

the same pattern again, the "comfy prison cell" argument...

Comparing the invasion of your apartment, with a rape of your living space, with the invasion of ones own body with rape, (naming rape without specifying makes us make this association) shows how little you understand about physical rape. There is simply no comparison. This amazes me still more because if I am right, you are in the mental health care department professionnally. If you do such a comparison now, how do you react for physical rape, a physical rape victim cannot do otherwise than understand that you do not understand.

that's like saying "Hey don't feel so bad, actually your lucky you didn't get raped" WTF???
Having your rights violated is fundamentally the same as being raped in my opinion, one is psychological and the other is both psychological and physical. But both are fundamentally violations of your human dignity. There you go again projecting your interpretations on others, you don't know how traumatized he was, you can't tell someone because you think cops are wonderful and like inviting them into your home, others shouldn't feel bad, because, at least they weren't raped, and therefore they don't know what they are talking about... this make no sense to me whatsoever...

And it doesn't feel like you understand Canada that well either... you have made some very stereotypical comments, all coloured from your personal experience no doubt. I have lived in this corporation my whole life, in at least 15 different cities in Southern Ontario. I used to joke long before I realized I was prescient (or maybe 'intuitive') I used to say things to my friends like "you know Canada isn't a country, I think it's more like a corporation..." many years before I even knew what I was talking about... (lol)

You know very well that the family will follow on the step of the parents in emotional terms. If you take it so bad, they will too. If you explain to your kids what happen without emotional reactivity, they will get pass it easier. Your choice. If it is too difficult, do get help.

By all means educate your kids, cops are parasites, pretend you are looking up to them if you think it will feed their ego then get away from them AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Otherwise avoid them at all costs. They are only going to become more parasitical and abusive with time. Educate yourself on your rights and learn how to protect yourself from their predatory practices. Start now and make it a lifetime commitment. Your children will thank you someday.

I have seen some saving lifes and taking the bullets for it. I did live in very tough neighborhoods. I did have my life saved by them, with their big boots and huge body coming in unanounced.
I am not saying they don't actually do their jobs sometimes, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars per day, you would expect something, yeah? But you are also clearly biased because some policeman with "big boots" and a "huge body coming in unanounced" saved you? I won't even bother going into the Freudian analysis here. A cop taking a bullet for someone?... ahhh highly unlikely, that it totally cheap television. I can see them planting a bullet in someone, shooting people in the back, or shooting mentally compromised people because they feel 'threatened'. But taking a bullet? Come on get real. And even if you saw something like this once, consider it a spontaneous reaction or fluke, that might happen to anyone.

Were they ill intentioned on individual basis: NO

Again how would you know? but we could add another
Did they give a sh**: NO
Do they have to give a sh**: NO, (unless you can make them...)

Tonga will be fine, because in the long haul his eyes have been opened, he no longer has any misconceptions or illusions.

Let's put it this way, if judges and cops tell you not to open your doors to cops, take the hint, what more do you need? an anvil to drop on your head? I like these guys that can make it through the system, and still come out the other end, with their full set of faculties and personal belief systems still intact. In fact I admire people who can do that, it just speaks the truth all the more loudly...

Ex Cop Barry Cooper - Simple Logic

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7QQkY85YCeI