Validity of underground bases and tunnels in particular.

[Ross]

As many here have researched underground bases and tunnelling systems from many sources, Phil Schnider comes to mind, have raised some questions.

The monumental task involved in these constructions need looking at. Phil, from memory said they used high tech laser cutting equipment allowing them to carve through enormous amounts of rock, liquefying material along the way, I cannot remember all the details…

Here is an example of known methods of tunnelling as detailed with the newly connected Swiss tunnel.

SEDRUN , Switzerland.

A giant drilling machine punched its way through a final section of Alpine rock on Friday to complete the world's longest tunnel, after 15 years of sometimes lethal construction work.

15 years, 2500 workers. Cost so far estimated at 15 Billion.

The 57 kilometre highspeed rail link, which will open in 2017, will form the lynchpin of a new rail network between northern and southeastern Europe and help ease congestion and pollution in the Swiss Alps.
It is the third tunnel to be built through the snowbound St Gotthard area but it is much the longest and three kilometres longer than a rail link between two Japanese islands , the current record holder at 53.8-km . Passengers will ultimately be able to speed from the Italian city of Milan to Zurich in less than three hours and further north into Germany, cutting the journey time by an hour.

To see the work in progress, it is necessary to travel two kilometres underground, to the construction site between the southern Swiss towns of Faido and Biasca.

The scale of the work going on is enormous: 2,500 people are working on the tunnel, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Besides the two main railway tubes, the construction workers have to dig access tunnels for people and equipment.
Huge fans ensure a fresh supply of air and cool things down. Yet the temperature is above 30C.
"We've got two-and-a-half kilometres of Alps above us," explains engineer Albert Schmid. "That means millions and millions of cubic metres of earth pressing down on us, that increases the pressure and the temperature."

This above, gives us some idea as to what is involved with this type of engineering.

So…these alleged tunnels systems connecting many underground bases using high speed travel systems becomes hard to believe and worthy of discussion.

How on earth do you keep so many workers quiet, to sign disclosure agreements, years of construction, accidents, deaths along the way?

Regards

Ross.

[Dale]

I've wondered the same thing, myself.

Basic geology is quite clear in stating that the temperature of the Earth's crust begins to increase after around one mile, leading to some pretty steamy temperatures at depths of five or six miles. I've heard interviews where researchers, or whistleblowers, claimed to have worked in bases several miles deep, but I do wonder if that's even plausible, as the surrounding ground would be quite hot.

It's possible that there are alternative, high technologies being used; and it could also be possible that the bases are only about a mile or so deep; as even whistleblowers are subject to gossip and exaggeration.

As for the construction of these tunnels and bases, I would assume that most of the tunnels, and likely many of the bases, utilize preexisting cavernous sites. I'm a bit skeptical of claims of vast tunnels leading across the country and city-sized underground bases; but I wouldn't doubt there are some tunnel systems being used, possibly carved out of preexisting cave systems, and many underground bases in operation, likely not as large as a city, though.

[Ross]

The enormity of these type of constructions are baffling...

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Just my 2cents worth. With todays very sophisticated TBMs I would imagine tunnels are no longer a problem, not timewise nor financially. Look at the tube, subway systems under many major cities, the channel tunnel too, all civilian in nature but Military have edge on technology so large tunnels would prove very little problem. I know they exist but thats my personal statement, I cannot prove 100% to anyone else unless I took them to one.

[observer]

Posted by Ross (here)
[....]So…these alleged tunnels systems connecting many underground bases using high speed travel systems becomes hard to believe and worthy of discussion.

How on earth do you keep so many workers quiet, to sign disclosure agreements, years of construction, accidents, deaths along the way?

Regards

Ross.

Ross,

One must keep in mind, the project in Switzerland, and other projects like it (the 'big dig' in Boston comes to mind) are all 'public works' projects. The cost of these projects is artificially kept high to further drive the Masses into 'financial slavery'.

In contrast, the 'black op' underground systems are all being created with a minimum of participants - in many cases with off-planet cooperation. When one has technology like the following, one needs little outside participation:



This is an actual photo of the nuclear powered tunneling 'shield' that Phil Schneider spoke of before his untimely death. This will melt the rock (deflagration) and plaster the walls of the tunnel with the residue. If I recall Phil said they can tunnel at a rate of several miles per day with this technology.

There is a big difference between what the public is allowed to 'see', and what secrets lay hidden behind the smoke-and-mirrors.

Thanks to Fredkc for first posting this photo to which I have used his original link in order to show it here.

[Ross]

one needs little outside participation:

agree on most points.

The tunnelling is one thing but the construction of bases, materials, wiring, systems of all kinds, is huge and would still require a large contingent of workers? If we knew the logisitics of this type of endevour and the silencing of said workers must be a mammoth undertaking...again baffling...to me anyway.

Regards

Ross

[jack]

I guess it seems when we look at these things with 21st century eyes that building thousands of miles worth of networked tunnels all around the world seems a little bit far fetched. But lets look at it in respect to the history of technology. Just ten years ago the most powerful computer on the market would be considered useless trash by todays standards. We've reached a huge peak in our technological advancement but the public never gets even a glimpse of that. Private corporations, the ones who have all the money, them guys have the means and the ways to create any kind of toy they want.

What we see in technology, is absolutely nothing to the true technology that is kept secret. When they started building things by the atom... I mean cmon, could you imagine the things you could create if you were working at the subatomic level.

Thats just some food for thought. Just like there is free energy technology thats been suppressed from us for a hundred years. It doesnt mean they stopped toying with that free energy technology by the way, they just kept it all to themselves and im sure they have refined it to a level that would seem utterly mindblowing to us everyday people. One of the biggest handicaps behind any great technological feat is power. You can call it manpower, electrical power, horsepower, it all comes down to one thing. Energy. They have energy so unlimited in scope and refined to such a level that we couldnt possibly imagine.

[kalimistik]

Ross has a point though regarding silencing the workforce that is used, which would have to be considerable even when you have an over unit energy source. Imagine all the miles of cable to be laid and ventilation, water piping and all the rest of it. A large workforce would definately be needed. Just a wild guess but maybe they have the tech to just grow clones at a super accelerated pace to use just for these kind of situations?

[Lost Soul]

Our gubmint is not sharing our secret tunneling machine and we hope that the one we have is as advance as the one the Russians probably have.

[ponda]

Posted by Ross (here)
agree on most points.

The tunnelling is one thing but the construction of bases, materials, wiring, systems of all kinds, is huge and would still require a large contingent of workers? If we knew the logisitics of this type of endevour and the silencing of said workers must be a mammoth undertaking...again baffling...to me anyway.

Regards

Ross

Very valid point Ross

Why don't more people come forward with info about all of these black operatiions that have been and still are i imagine going on ? There have been a few people that have blown the whistle but not that many when you consider that there must of been literally thousands and thousands of people involved.This is one of the arguments that the 911,JFK etc debunkers use when confronted with the claim of government involvement.The same goes for insiders coming forward from supposed secret societies and hidden elite groups etc.....it virtually never happens.Why is this?

There must be a good reason for this but what could it be?

One possible reason could be that all of the workers and people involved are incredibly loyal and can keep a secret.This is possible but highly unlikely.

They were probably made to sign non-disclosure contracts and were paid good money.This is probable but still you would have to think that more people would of come forward regardless.

Some of them might of been under threat of violence or worse if they said anything.This is likely for some of them but you would think that it would not deter everyone.

So i suspect that there must be a deeper reason for the perpetual silence from the people involved.What are the possibilities ?

I suspect that the forces involved with the secret societies including the ones that involve occult practices and the forces involved with the black ops etc are connected.This connection would possibly also be at a higher level than and as well as 3d humans.This implies an alien involvement.

So how do they do it ? How do they keep everyone quiet ?

Well the possibilities might include implants,mind control,surveillance and monitoring etc.Also remember that if aliens are involved then they would most likely have advanced technology that could prevent people from speaking out.

I don't think that surveillance and monitoring would be sufficient enough unless they could get inside peoples heads and monitor and influence them 24/7 that way.It might be possible with their tech.This might imply some type of implant device that could passively control people through some type of mind control.To monitor so many people on a permanent basis for so long might imply something else besides an implant device.This might have to do with logging into peoples consciousness and watching/influencing them that way.They might not need an implant device for this but some type of tech that cold do it remotely.It might also be possible that there is a much higher dimensional being or beings involved that could monitor and influence large numbers of humans at the same time.This or these beings might also be in alliance with or influencing the lower dimensional aliens that might be involved.

Well it's all conjecture but if the secret societies,occult worshipers and black ops are all true then how do they keep it so quiet?That's a good question.

[Carmody]

Inside vs outside.

Inside the mob vs the outside.

Inside congress vs outside of it.

Inside the oil industry vs outside of it.

inside the prison system (guards/staff) vs outside of it.

Inside the Police and legal systems vs outside of it.

Inside the nuclear deterrent system vs outside of it.

Inside the military system vs outside of it.

Inside the CIA vs outside of it.

Inside the Federal Reserve vs outside of it.

Secrets can be kept....obviously. Well enough, at the least.

Now take that..and transpose it into the situation regarding tunnels, bases and what is inside of them....and have actual death squads (ready to go at a second's notice) that go out and make very pointed examples of those who break the silence. As well as actual alien intervention (regarding speaking out of class) and the weight of the whole alien situation. Add in the huge distance that being inside that system puts on a person, vs their being outside of it --and everyone else outside of it.

Now take all of the above situations and note that all we ever really get is hints. And as far as the sheer weight and power ready to go against anyone who should speak out or step out of line and..you end up where we are today, which is....Very little hard information.

You'd have to get a mob of a few thousand people .... Then get down in there ...and... force it, in an very overt fashion. Basically, do whatever it takes.

even then the reports would be highly edited and everyone would doubt it. The same way you have death camps right in the middle of countries. Nazi Germany. Or Pol Pot's death squads and killing fields. Too many lies, too much media control, too much spin. and too many people caught up in their little tiny worlds.

[Ross]

Thanks all,

Certainly does make one think of how they do it?

Ok, lets say there were/are several hundred, thousands even, workers doing their specialized work...we are talking of alleged hundreds-thousands of miles of construction. The people involved, are they single? married, in relationships? family members, friends and all that know these ppls...if mind control is being used that can mask over any oddities of their normal behaviour then thats some really powerful tech.

Same applies if severe methods of 'keep ya mouth shut or else' are used, and Im sure they do, you would think more than a tiny few would let something out of the bag? Im my experience with Human beings the most hardest thing for them to do is to keep silent...keep the trap shut, not tell the partner, not tell anyone...so...cloned workers, single, with no friends or interest in the 'above world' is a plausable 'way' of keeping it under wraps...?

Nasa and many other 'not what it seems' work places are deeply compartmentalized and easier to keep tabs on but these underground types of endevours are another story.

Perhaps when they leave and return to work they pass through some kind of 'memory wipe' and said memory is replaced with some viable story they can use to explain their day, week , months, years to others...along with their possible large paychecks.

Also Im not dismissing such things exist, I have other reasons to believe that these underground areas are real enough, but how do they do it?

Wheres the entrance? I want a 'look' see for myself...

Regards

Ross

[Operator]

Posted by Ross (here)
Wheres the entrance? I want a 'look' see for myself...

Very healthy attitude Ross ... (maybe until you find one).
I wonder if this is the same thing as with NASA ... there is something to show to the public (Swiss tunnel) and we've another department with some real stuff ?

I don't know about the tunnels and bases, still an obscure subject. But with NASA we have more evidence/indication that based on the compartmentalization
they are capable of hiding things. In case of tunneling it would even be easier so I guess it's safe to say that there must be something.
But it remains speculation on how extensive these tunnel networks would be ...

[Ross]

Very healthy attitude Ross ... (maybe until you find one).

Anyone got a rep suit? a grey suit...must be at least big enough to fit 6 ft...fake ID...let me know

[xbusymom]

you may be forgetting the most obvious and well-established and proven method... our consent...

convince the workers that the compartmentalized "don't ask-don't tell" policy is best for the sheeples who CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH ... (give them extra privileges- treat them SPECIAL) and they will worship your brilliant ideas to save the masses from needless panic, chaos and personal ridicule because they don't want their pampered status to be taken away...

[ponda]

Carmody

Yes your inside/outside hypothesis makes sense.Most people would keep quiet for economic reasons and peer pressure.But as we have seen with wikileaks , people who speak out and disclose inside information in the military do it for moral reasons and they do it at the risk of imprisonment.Most people turn a blind eye but not all.

[Kari Lynn]

I watched a show about this particular tunneling machine. They were making a subway underground in a city. It didn't melt the sand or rock, but dug it out of the way, or pushed/packed it as it drilled, behind the machine they put concrete forms and bolted together in place to finish the tunnel.
The largest one that they showed, was 40 foot in diameter. Most that were used for subways were only about 20 or 30 foot though.

Basic geology is quite clear in stating that the temperature of the Earth's crust begins to increase after around one mile, leading to some pretty steamy temperatures at depths of five or six miles. I've heard interviews where researchers, or whistleblowers, claimed to have worked in bases several miles deep, but I do wonder if that's even plausible, as the surrounding ground would be quite hot.

Curious as to where you learned this, as I was 2 miles underground in an iron ore mine, and it wasn't hot. Typical cave temp of cooler than outside summer time air. (needed a jacket)
Learned for scouting project 2 weeks ago (for geology badge, lol)
That the crust is 65 miles thick, beneath the tectonic plates is the molten lava. (can't remember how many miles thick that is.) then the outer core starts to solidify again, and the inner core is supposed to be solid Iron. Which is how, they say, our Earth gets its magnetism.

[bettye198]

John Lear gave an interview with Camelot; a 2008 interview just released. He made the claim that the story about Phil Schneider and the shoot out underground was a completely different story. Something about rules around the Zeta's they establish. A meeting/seminar was going on with the Zeta's and it was known that no weapons would be in their proximity or the Greys would make the humans pay a price. The story goes that a messenger came in urgently and still had a gun/weapon on his person and all hell broke loose. 60 humans dead. zero Zetas.

[Luke]

Posted by Kari Lynn (here)
Curious as to where you learned this, as I was 2 miles underground in an iron ore mine, and it wasn't hot. Typical cave temp of cooler than outside summer time air. (needed a jacket)
Learned for scouting project 2 weeks ago (for geology badge, lol)
That the crust is 65 miles thick, beneath the tectonic plates is the molten lava. (can't remember how many miles thick that is.) then the outer core starts to solidify again, and the inner core is supposed to be solid Iron. Which is how, they say, our Earth gets its magnetism.

As presented here: The Temperature Of The Earth As Shown By Deep Mines temperature rise is not uniform. There are very hot deep mines, but also those, in which temperature falls back. This is because crust is not uniform.
As for thickness:

The oceanic crust is 5 km (3 mi) to 10 km (6 mi) thick[1] and is composed primarily of basalt, diabase, and gabbro. The continental crust is typically from 30 km (20 mi) to 50 km (30 mi) thick, and is mostly composed of slightly less dense rocks than those of the oceanic crust

source: Wiki
Then there is upper mantle, but it's semi-liquid.
As for core "common knowledge" says its iron because "this is only way we could have magnetic field" ... but only liquid outer core is proven (via studying seismic waves), rest is model. One need to add that we have planets and moons too light to have iron core , yet having strong magnetic field. That questions validity of "our core is iron" theory.

From what I gather from many reports, it seem to me that technologies employed in deep bases are beyond our understanding matter and space .. just to mention walking one corridor in California (IIRC) and ending up in Pine Gap, just to quote one witness.

[Ross]

Here are parts of Phils lectures..as a refresher,

"They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since the early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than that. These bases are basically large cities underground connected by high-speed magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one of them. Richard Souder, a Ph.D architect*, has risked his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where you live, in Idaho, there are 11 of them.


"The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are basically whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. They have laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day. The Black Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is depending on these bases. If I had known at the time I was working on them that the NWO was involved, I would not have done it. I was lied to rather extensively.

Ok...so this info was released around 1995...15 years ago. If this info is correct then what do they now have?

Regards

Ross