Just in from Duncan, for those who follow his work. "2013 ... A New Year, or a Nightmare ...pt 1 "

[sleepy]

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[9eagle9]

Fred care to share your 'baring of soul' 'could you do it' thread here?

Posted by sleepy (here)
"I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’. "

9eagle9,

May I ask what thread Fred started inviting people to make an agreement to soul harvesting?

[sleepy]

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[Kitty]

Just a short comment on the idea of selling one's soul for others. I've done this one in a past life and it's not a very good idea. I'm working through it, but it isn't the heroic and altruistic move that it seems like at the time.

[9eagle9]

I know you didn't see it Sleepy. Fred himself is probably not AWARE of what he's doing. I hope.

And the sad thing is..you can't tell people.

That's how they operate. That is how they get a strangle hold on people. This is what makes people angry because otherwise they'd fall into the depths of despair over it all--people's failure to SEE, to be AWAKE, and aware to how they operate on a psyche level. And you can't tell them because if you do 'you're mean'.

That is what we are trying to wake people up to. That is what Duncan is trying to wake people up to. How they get us to make agreement.

But no one is supposed to say anything about it, or get angry about. That too is part of the psy-ops.

Forgiveness is a sacred agreement. It's made only with the sacred not the corrupt, or empty constructs, images, imaginations, false idols, or anything else that is not sacred. Like any other contract you have to see the fine print.

Posted by sleepy (here)
I read that thread and I didn’t see Fred inviting anyone to make an agreement to have his or her soul harvested. We disagree on that but it is O.K. I don’t have a dog in this fight and I am not looking for anyone to save my soul. I am good. I will say that I enjoy Fred’s threads and that he asks some interesting and hard questions and makes me think. I enjoy some of your threads too. I am changing my original question to include the word allegedly.

To the OP, sorry for going off topic.

[RUSirius]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

It seems the best course of action is to go crazy?

...the path I'm on lately, it seems...

[sleepy]

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[Carmody]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

How many of us succumbed to fear, anger or grief from the Sandy Hook massacre?

I'm not sure that I even changed the expression on my face. Response ....being part of the problem. And that it was natural, not even the slightest bit forced, this non-reaction.

For..... I have learned..through time, as we call it.

As for his message..the time I've always felt for any full motion to occur toward 'open fascism', is that it is going to have to be early spring.

They would need time to get it all rolling and functional, and in that case, they need, they require... a long term unified single weather block, regarding mobility and control of said ground-space.

The most indicative or 'dangerous' time period in a multi-seasonal weather climate within a given theater, is the spring. Indications, or murmurs would be in the pre-spring.

Thus February through April are key months to watch, for Europe or North America.

Reference battle and sequence planning for Europe, in WWII, Korea in the 50's, or the civil war of the US.

There..you will see the pattern of inevitable and necessary weather based planning of battles and their set up or preconditions, logistics and so on. Recall Moscow, for Napoleon and Hitler. That Hitler's initial advance toward Moscow..happened in July. Which is, frankly, idiotic. Way too late in the season for beginnings.

Watch for the signs of such in North American politics, business, military, and government.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I do think the thread should stay focused on the message, so please indulge me while I have one last word about the medium.

One of the first things I learned when I first traveled abroad is that the medium IS more important than the message. The reason for this is that if no one can hear you, it doesn't matter what you are saying. At the age of 18, I had long hair half way down my back and was teaching English in a culture that associated my hair with disrespect for authority, disrespect for the law and tradition, and basically being a shady character. I loved my long hair, but it was getting in the way of my mission. The teenager response would be to insist on my individual expression. Since my goals were more important than what I wanted for myself, I cut my hair and got on with my goals.

Duncan's method of communication comes across as unstable and bordering on psychosis. He really needs to ask himself who his message is going to reach and how it will affect them. What kind of person will respond to this shrill, panicked rage and how will they respond? Is his message more important than his insistence on "being who he is"? That's his call, I guess.

I'm not down on Duncan at all. He's worked hard to educate, instruct, and I'm sure he's done lots of unsung work that we will never know about.

I just think he needs to take a step back and think strategically about his presentation. Is it in line with his stated goals?

"To master people takes force,
but to master yourself takes strength."

-Lao Tzu

Whatever comes, I will face it with calm serenity, judge the best course of action, and then move decisively. Unchecked emotional reactions will leave us open to manipulation on many levels. Have passion, but do not let passion have you. Ok, enough Yoda talk. Thank you for listening.

[blake]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Yeah, I do agree that Duncan could use a chill pill. A lot of us can see something's been long brewing too, and is quite possibly upon us now, but no need to keep running around with our hair on fire and insulting people. Anyway, I did find his following comment of paramount importance. This should be rule #1.

If you must die, then die with your soul intact!

Hello Fred,

Indeed, the above is a very nice quote. But words have different meanings to different people. Do you think you interpret that sentence in the same way that Duncon meant it? I am wondering how you define a soul, and what you mean by being able to die with it intact?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Carmody]

Posted by intruth (here)
I think Duncan is relaying what TPTW have planned to implement. I don't think it's going to go down the way they wanted. Hey, we were supposed to be going to FEMA camps by now. There's too much positive energy flowing in and we are getting much needed assistance from our ET/ED friends.

You might be getting all the help in the universe, but one thing remains: that it is still, irredeemably and unstoppably--- all on your head and within your acts.

[Dorjezigzag]

There is some I don't agree with Duncan, but I actually appreciate that he speaks with little filter.

There is a lot of talk on this forum about being more diplomatic and I guess that has its place, but be careful that in being diplomatic you do not become something you are not. The deepest concern should not be the style of presentation but its authenticity.

A video clip to ponder

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TbudOHdtAPM

[Carmody]

Posted by RUSirius (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

It seems the best course of action is to go crazy?

...the path I'm on lately, it seems...

'Tis a prerequisite for finding sanity.

Empty the box so it can be re-organized along the new lines, with new data.

something that is not specifically related, but can't be bothered to make a new post to make it appear separate, as comments go. something that just flew in out of the wind:

Isn't it interesting, that as we grow, we grow out of emulating others and becoming our authentic selves?

And that when others see this....they emulate it?

[humanalien]

In response to 9eagle9 post, you can warn people about
what they are doing wrong and if they choose not to listen,
then you simple wash your hands of them.

Jesus sort of says the same thing when he tells us to wipe
the dust off of our feet and walk away from the unbelievers.
Not an exact quote but something to that affect.

Duncan is right though, to many of you are just all to willing
to follow the likes of david wilcock, john kettler, david icke,
bob dean and many many more. They fill your heads with
wishes and rainbows and a lot of you swallow this stuff right
up. These are the guru's that most of you choose to follow
and by doing that, you give up your souls to them.

Is duncans message to us true? Who knows. I have no idea
where he gets his information but if his godmother is an alien
in human form then i choose not to believe a word he says
either. In my belief, all aliens are fallen angels and i have no
need for them.

[Selene]

Setting aside the form or format of Duncan’s comments here - and our own personal emotional reactions to his style of communicating - we might perhaps pay some more careful attention to the content of his message.

To dismiss his message as ‘fear porn’ is one way of ducking the tough issues he raises, buffering them with a soft blanket of blind denial. Not all bad news is intended merely for effect. Sometimes it’s true, and must be dealt with accordingly.

To say “I wouldn’t have phrased it that way…” without examining the message itself is another form of deflecting a more meaningful discussion. (And I do respect that such comments are intended as a sincere effort to support Duncan at some level.)

But willful blindness will not help you when TSHTF. And at some point style becomes a luxury when issues of life and death are at the fore.

Duncan is nobody’s fool. He’s pointing out a critical issue for Avalonians: It ain’t over yet. We haven’t “won” anything. No one else is going to rescue us. Fluffy thoughts will not feed you for breakfast, nor keep your family safe. (I respect what many have said here, that personal death is incidental, but like many I do feel some responsibility for the safety and continuity of humanity at large, especially the children.)

And everything “out there” still indicates that:

• We aren’t out of the woods yet,

• That many dark (human) forces are still attempting to further enslave humanity, and

• That these forces are clever, well-equipped and dominant.

• They are largely amoral, criminal, and not restrained by moral or ethical concerns.

• They have succeeded in implementing the vast majority of their agenda to date.

• We are at a critical juncture,

• And there’s no cavalry coming to rescue our earth or its inhabitants. We will have to do this ourselves.


And before you moan ”But what do you expect me to do about this?”, I refer us all to Kerry Cassidy’s reply:

“Do whatever you can.”

Sorry to be so blunt. But 2013 looks to be another long and interesting year.

Cheers,

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Carmody (here)
That Hitler's initial advance toward Moscow..happened in July. Which is, frankly, idiotic.

Especially Moscow of all places, where the winter weather strongly favors the home team.

[enfoldedblue]

I have always liked Duncan. I like his no BS style. I do not know if what he says will occur will, but I certainly think it possible. However I think that Duncan makes the mistake of assuming that everyone has to play in the same vein he does. Let's face it we are not all super-soldiers, and if we do not feel that our mission at this stage in the game is to go to battle, then what he presents here can be fear inducing. Personally I believe that being aware is very important, but that there are different ways to deal with this awareness. I believe that as the hell Duncan describes begins to unfold un Earth, there will be contrasting pockets where real love and human spirit prevail. I believe that if we do our inner work and stop fearing our own darkness, then we will find ourselves exactly where we need to be, doing exactly what we need to be doing. I like his final recommendations. For me this is the real key is to reach out and connect with those around us.

[Selene]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
... Let's face it we are not all super-soldiers, .....Personally I believe that being aware is very important, but that there are different ways to deal with this awareness. I believe that as the hell Duncan describes begins to unfold un Earth, there will be contrasting pockets where real love and human spirit prevail. I believe that if we do our inner work and stop fearing our own darkness, then we will find ourselves exactly where we need to be, doing exactly what we need to be doing. I like his final recommendations. For me this is the real key is to reach out and connect with those around us.

EnfoldedBlue, your comments are wise, as always.

Yes, that’s exactly what Duncan means, what Kerry means, what I’d like to support:

Real change, real growth, real inner (and therefore external) strength can come only from inner change. Individual change. We must become that which we wish to behold: true exemplars of truth, love and compassion.

Begin from where you are now. That’s all each of us can ever do. But none of us can predict how far this individual action will carry us all – and it will - toward our mutual goal.

It is this simple – and this challenging.

Cheers,

Selene

[Gekko]

Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

Is it simply being submissive to TPTB? Actively engaging in deception and abuse? At what specific point does one "cash the check" and cross over to the dark side? If there are definite and severe consequences either way, there needs to be a specific explanation of the mechanism. Otherwise it's just floundering in obscurity.

[jjjones]

9eagle9 & pa friends, no answer, just a definition, "Hell" is dying & taking ones last breath & knowing you lied to yourself. this reply may seem to make no sense, but in essence it says alot and no disrespect intended to anyone. namaste, peace and love universally!