Just in from Duncan, for those who follow his work. "2013 ... A New Year, or a Nightmare ...pt 1 "

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks for the heads up Duncan. They can try to take my soul, but there gonna have to pry it from my cold dead bodily cavity first. And then i still aint giving up that easily. You thought a bear was very protective over her cubs. It aint happening captain. You haven't seen me in action. Im well equipped for my cub family of 5. When hulk gets mad, then hulk will smash puny soul stealers.

[music]

9eagle9: I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.

One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Gekko (here)
Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

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To me selling one's soul is doing work for profit that you know hurts others or the mother earth with full awareness of the fact. Its as simple as that. This could include complacent going along with the agenda because its too difficult or your too lazy to do otherwise. You can sell your soul, but you can also buy it back though redemptive acts

Duncan has a lot of predictions for the future and he makes the next year or two look grim. First he mocks those that look for dates then he says 2013 will be the worst. Whats he gonna do if nothing really big pans out as it didn't pan out for Geryl or Pane Andov. He says we have to fight it but he gives no recommendation of how to do that. He says to take care of each other and your neighbors.... well thats a no brainer, if I ever heard one. In that long diatribe he said absolutley nothing new, nothing really helpful to stand up to the forces that he says stand against us.

All in all Im not to impressed with him. He's like all the rest.

If you get into the negativity and anger that he projects thats a pretty crappy last year or two of life.... you sacrifice your worldly experience on the alter of yet more fear mongering, more intimidation, more listening to someone else rather than yourself.

My son spent about an hour the other day reviewing all the lives lost in all the recorded wars.. naming the wars and the number of people killed.
This **** has been going on forever and it will continue to go on as long as people buy into the war game. Everytime you kill to perpetuate your myth it takes 7 generations to undo the damage... if it can be undone at all.

So after listening to the summary of all the wars and all the dead over the course of 3,000 years or so, I would say, that yes, when I heard about the kids killed in Newtown, I understood, this is the way of humanity. I do not indulge in emotions that have nothing to do promoting my own evolution, nothing to do with change, nothing to do with anything really except levels of insanity that Im not personally participating in.

Do you know who killed the most people? Genghis Khan and and he and his forces did it with swords in the 13th century. It is estimated that one in 200 people today carry the DNA of Khan, due to all the woman he took and the dramatic reduction of population that he caused.

TPTB have always been around and the NWO has had a thousand incarnations.
And no, I dont believe that they are going to take away the guns of US citizens in the near future

Possesion of guns, statistically it has shown not to decrease crime. I just put up a post about that today.
Once emotions cool down a bit people will come to their senses. Already I doubt there is enough
pressure to actually disarm us. Most people do see the falacy of it. What they really do need to do is
get people off of psychoactive drugs and get them real help, like good nutrition,
We will see more and more of this type of crime as our food sources continue to degrade through
modern agricultural practices... couple that with vaccinations and you have a hells fire buring in the minds
of too many people

[Freed Fox]

I personally do not believe the military will turn against the citizens of the country. The military will always be more powerful than any grassroots militia (automatic weapons or not). There may be a small percentage who would go along with some kind of oppressive plan for the sake of the government, but I believe most go into service in order to serve their friends, family, and community (to preserve that way of life). The Nazis did not fall without teaching us a lesson. Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I sincerely believe that Hitler will not rise again (nor anything comparable).

IF I am wrong, however, I will not go in fear or hate. If we see that we're going down, we can at least make sure that we are not brought down to their level.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, the simple fact that the military > militia (at least in the U.S.) is due to the level of citizen surveillance and tapping of telecommunications. If anything significant starts to form officially, it will unfortunately be nipped in the bud very early on. These individuals would then be made to look like would-be terrorists, prevented from harming the innocents by good ol' Homeland Security.

I digress; I prefer to focus on more positive potentialities of the future, and things which I can influence in a more tangible manner.

[Selene]

Posted by music (here)

9eagle9: I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.

One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

Well, no, not from me at any rate.

But I do have to ask (publically): Music, are you always this mean spirited, or does something in your headset/meds need adjusting at the moment? I cannot thank or properly acknowledge this kind of malicious and self-congratulatory attack on another member. So I will publically 'unthank you' for these malicious remarks.

You are out of line; I'm sorry. Get over it.

I will never be a Mod, thankfully.

[Gekko]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
I personally do not believe the military will turn against the citizens of the country. The military will always be more powerful than any grassroots militia (automatic weapons or not). There may be a small percentage who would go along with some kind of oppressive plan for the sake of the government, but I believe most go into service in order to serve their friends, family, and community (to preserve that way of life).

Perhaps that is where Problem, Reaction, Solution would come into play. Create a desperately chaotic situation so that it appears rounding up citizens is the lesser of two evils. No one has to know the real intentions behind it.

[Gardener]

Music your post was ascerbic and presumptious and divisive; do not include me in your presumtions.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

[Kristin]

Posted by music (here)

9eagle9: I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.

One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

Music and 9eagle9... there are more constructive ways to get your points across. Goading is not one of them. Please conduct yourselves with respect to other members. Please, let's get back to topic.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Freed Fox]

Selene: It would seem that there has been a lot of negativity lately, and some are working through more than others. I would agree that personal attacks are not desirable, but I hesitate to say that they are never ultimately constructive.

For my personal example; I sort-of attacked RMorgan on one of his threads about a week ago. This lead to a heartfelt apology on my part which also allowed me to air some of my personal grievances with the world and my situation. The discourse didn't really suffer, and I believe it helped me (at least).

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Selene: It would seem that there has been a lot of negativity lately, and some are working through more than others. I would agree that personal attacks are not desirable, but I hesitate to say that they are never ultimately constructive.

For my personal example; I sort-of attacked RMorgan on one of his threads about a week ago. This lead to a heartfelt apology on my part which also allowed me to air some of my personal grievances with the world and my situation. The discourse didn't really suffer, and I believe it helped me (at least).

I too was guilty of attacking one of our members. Felt some inner healing after I posted this Thread below.
I'm Sorry

[Kristin]

This part is interesting:

9eagle9, "It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them. "

I personally feel that comment is worth discussing and looking into.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by music (here)

One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

I won't openly thank you, but I will openly tell you that you are way out of line. 9eagle9 was not attempting to offend, attack, or label Fred as anything. She was using a posting of his to make a point. On the other hand, you are blatantly attacking her on a personal level. The poison tongue is yours. YOU do not get to decide who is welcome here at Avalon and who is not. Please stop derailing threads with obvious bating and distraction before someone accuses you of being an agent. We wouldn't want that now, would we?

[Freed Fox]

Kristin re: 9eagle9;

I agree that it's an interesting concept, certainly. I have heard of it before, but I always thought that the consent actually served to empower the vampire. As in, it is not sought as a simple assurance but rather a prerequisite to action. I could be wrong, of course.

[Kristin]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Kristin re: 9eagle9;

I agree that it's an interesting concept, certainly. I have heard of it before, but I always thought that the consent actually served to empower the vampire. As in, it is not sought as a simple assurance but rather a prerequisite to action. I could be wrong, of course.

Actually, I believe that is exactly the point she was trying to make!
From the Heart,
Kristin

[norman]

Posted by RUSirius (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

It seems the best course of action is to go crazy?

...the path I'm on lately, it seems...

Yea, it seems there are people, my type ( and maybe yours ) , who only can get through stuff this pivotal by experiencing the crazies.

If it was the very first time it was happening to me, I wouldn't fancy my chances much, but, I've obviously been through stuff I've previously been through, just to get me through this, in spirit, if not in body.

[Flash]

Posted by music (here)

9eagle9: I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.

One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

I am sorry Music, this is unbeliveably arrogant, this post of yours, whatever the previous story you had with 9Eagle9. I do not withdraw from threads that 9Eagle9 is on because I do not see any need for it. She did not insult Fred, just stated what she think she saw. Yes she is affirmative, it is her personality and so what? The other aspect is that she wants more for people than people want for themselves and she cannot let go, even when these people let go on themselves. I have seen much worse on this forum. And I do admire those holding their ground as she does. In spite of spitfullness.

Right now the poison dipped tongue came from your post above. And believe me, with all my love to you Music, this is not said in an vindictive intentions, just saying what I saw.

Edit: I just saw your subsequent post. Music you are hanging yourself there, you are doing exactly what you reproach 9Eagle9, this is called projections, namely accusing Duncan to be under unconscious control, which you reproached 9Eagle9 to have written against Fred, accusing Duncan of serving a martial law agenda (or PTB one), which 9Eagle9 wrote that Fred may unconscioulsy do, and then discrediting 9Eagle9 and Duncan altogether by stating that the battle of souls is a distraction. If it is the case, why do you take your time discrediting anyone talking about it? Just don't bother, it would be much more simple and healthy.

I would say that Duncan thinks he is straight up and down, but I definitely don't rule out that he (as many others are) is under unconscious control. If I had to choose whether to take his words as gospel or not, I would choose not to. His postings serve the martial law agenda certainly, and for me, the whole "battle for souls" issue is distraction.

[norman]

This the second thread I've seen in as many months ( think ) that has got overly seriously bogged down in the mud wresting in pool of it that I personally don't think O'Fininan deserves.

If any one of you had been through the **** he's been through, I bet you'd be holding up less well than he is.


Please, this thread gives me the creeps. Avalon get's like this at times, and it's not a strength, it's a great time for others from outside this 'community' to really give us a whack up side the head from nowhere.

With SO much falling into place right now, that's a very strong possibility.

[Kristin]

Let's start on this page anew and back on topic! There are some serious issues here at hand that are being flushed out. It would serve humanity best if we could concentrate on those currently.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Gekko]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Gekko (here)
Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

.

To me selling one's soul is doing work for profit that you know hurts others or the mother earth with full awareness of the fact. Its as simple as that. This could include complacent going along with the agenda because its too difficult or your too lazy to do otherwise. You can sell your soul, but you can also buy it back though redemptive acts

But where are the dividers? Is the awakening 18 year old working the cash register at Market Basket selling his soul because some of the bananas in the produce section are genetically modified? Are people who work with computers selling their souls because of the small amount of Coltan needed for the production of capacitors (a metal which drives civil war in Africa)?

Let's put it to the test. In this scenario it seems like it would be better to remain completely unaware and oblivious and continue working at McDonalds - you might be doomed to a life of unhappiness and slavery, but at least you didn't do it knowingly, and thereby your soul is safe.

This is why these kinds of things frustrate me. Public figures like this Duncan fellow throwing around very sensitive terms like "soul" and the damnation thereof in a very arbitrary fashion. It feels like emotional blackmail. It sounds like either he doesn't understand what he's talking about or he doesn't take care to explain it responsibly.

There's a dangerous hook here. By saying this:

Hate to break the news to ya but, you're lost, gone. Once you give your soul to another via your own free will, that contract is binding!
You might want to read that several more times, all of you who are sitting on the fence with your soul.

he's offering you an ultimatum based solely on fear. These are very strong words. It's a subtle "I know what the deal is, and you better listen to me because I know what's going on, and if you don't you may just go to hell for eternity".

If this hook catches the reader, it turns off all of the balanced and rational faculties and the rest of the message comes in unfiltered and unchallenged. Never a good thing since even the most knowledgeable people get things wrong sometimes. And there's the more insidious seed of fear that is planted in the back of the mind, with nothing to regulate it. Just an inchoate foreboding that feeds on guilt.

Of course, the whole thing could just be hyperbole in the heat of the moment. But my point still stands...

[Arrowwind]

and now we know why the world is in the disorder that it's in.

Tart tongues and critical emotions.