Just in from Duncan, for those who follow his work. "2013 ... A New Year, or a Nightmare ...pt 1 "

[markpierre]

This is great. The grist that's left when the airy-fairy chaff has blown off. Now we can get down to some serious milling.

I did everything I could think of. After the personal blessing of a safe and gentle passage into the New Age I just got angry. The fraud of Xmas 'cheer' was
the worst. Surrounded by drunks and escapist fools that represented everything mindless I hate about this world.

And so I lit the tea lights on the shrine, thanked the four directions and smudged myself, did my prana exercises and took my happy nirvana herbs. To no avail.

I love it that you guys are so willing to reflect so perfectly, whatever I'm feeling. So I publicly rebuke myself, and my self serving, aggrandizing, grandstanding, hypocritical opinionated mind,
and you can all thank me publicly or privately for it. We're all pissed off. Not at each other. Just pissed off.
Let the vampire feed where he will. But not on me. He had a go at me and he lost.

I think this all means it's working really well. The OP is brilliant. The reactions are true and conflictual, and that's exactly what's needing to be met in us all. We found the grist.
Back to the millstone. Lets grind us some flour.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Gekko (here)
Let's put it to the test. In this scenario it seems like it would be better to remain completely unaware and oblivious and continue working at McDonalds - you might be doomed to a life of unhappiness and slavery, but at least you didn't do it knowingly, and thereby your soul is safe.

This is why these kinds of things frustrate me.

Of course, the whole thing could just be hyperbole in the heat of the moment. But my point still stands...

Well much of it is hyperbole...

Duncan is using a fear tactic to try to get people to comply... and comply with exacly what I can say for sure

Fact of the matter is that IMHO you cant really sell your soul. You make trade offs that hinder its progress. There is always a lesson to learn there and people will keep doing it if they see a monetary or other kind of benefit, but they pay in the long run... simply by having to repeat the lesson until they get it right.

If you work at McDonalds as you say in your example, your soul is not safe it is in stagnation.

Some people are so in the dark they don't even realize that they have a soul. They do stuff out of fear, manipulation, money, guilt, or perceived need. I would say that if you do bad things to help others there may be some redemption but one must always ask, does the ends justify the means. For very selfish people if often does. Selfish people are people who do not understand how to create so the accumulate all that they can at whatever cost. They are in perpetual fears or senstions of loss and inadquacy.

[jackovesk]

Good onya Duncan...

As with anything you wish to absorb through the internet, the (real message) is really there for those that need to hear it...

If Duncan's message upset you......move on because you are not the audience he is trying to reach...

Thanks Astrid, wishing You and (All Avalonians & Our Guests) a Happy New Year...

Jackovesk...

[Flash]

Posted by Gekko (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Gekko (here)
Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

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To me selling one's soul is doing work for profit that you know hurts others or the mother earth with full awareness of the fact. Its as simple as that. This could include complacent going along with the agenda because its too difficult or your too lazy to do otherwise. You can sell your soul, but you can also buy it back though redemptive acts

But where are the dividers? Is the awakening 18 year old working the cash register at Market Basket selling his soul because some of the bananas in the produce section are genetically modified? Are people who work with computers selling their souls because of the small amount of Coltan needed for the production of capacitors (a metal which drives civil war in Africa)?

Let's put it to the test. In this scenario it seems like it would be better to remain completely unaware and oblivious and continue working at McDonalds - you might be doomed to a life of unhappiness and slavery, but at least you didn't do it knowingly, and thereby your soul is safe.

This is why these kinds of things frustrate me. Public figures like this Duncan fellow throwing around very sensitive terms like "soul" and the damnation thereof in a very arbitrary fashion. It feels like emotional blackmail. It sounds like either he doesn't understand what he's talking about or he doesn't take care to explain it responsibly.

There's a dangerous hook here. By saying this:

Hate to break the news to ya but, you're lost, gone. Once you give your soul to another via your own free will, that contract is binding!
You might want to read that several more times, all of you who are sitting on the fence with your soul.

he's offering you an ultimatum based solely on fear. These are very strong words. It's a subtle "I know what the deal is, and you better listen to me because I know what's going on, and if you don't you may just go to hell for eternity".

If this hook catches the reader, it turns off all of the balanced and rational faculties and the rest of the message comes in unfiltered and unchallenged. Never a good thing since even the most knowledgeable people get things wrong sometimes. And there's the more insidious seed of fear that is planted in the back of the mind, with nothing to regulate it. Just an inchoate foreboding that feeds on guilt.

Of course, the whole thing could just be hyperbole in the heat of the moment. But my point still stands...

Gekko,

Out of curiosity I did listened to parts of the taped conversation he had, stating those sentences.

When reading, they seem emotionally charged, but when listening, Duncan has a very poised voice, speak calmly and does not carry the heavy loaded emotions the written words seems to have.

My bet: this guy is a verbal communicator nor a written one. The message verbally goes much better. My second bet, he is culturally from an environment that is tough, speak directly and spit out words some do not want to hear. This makes it difficult at times for our frail egos.

However, if you just listen to the content, I personnally would not exprapolate very much on what he meant, because it is quite clear although not elaborate with words (that he would surely call useless).

the "hate to brake the new but once you gave your soul the contract is binding" may be just that, if you consciouly give your soul, the contract is binding.

This could happen with RFIDing people where people accept or with conscously making plans and taking action to harm people and destroy. Very few of us take those actions or make those plans willfully.

Not even service military in wars do it willfully. They just do a job they are caught to do. They do not plan killings and destruction nor enjoy it, for most of them.

However, haven't you seen those videos where singers or actors state that they have sold their soul to have success? This would be a case, and yet, here, by doing it, they may not have planned and destroyed directly. But they did agree to the plan.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Kristin (here)

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Kristin re: 9eagle9;

I agree that it's an interesting concept, certainly. I have heard of it before, but I always thought that the consent actually served to empower the vampire. As in, it is not sought as a simple assurance but rather a prerequisite to action. I could be wrong, of course.

Actually, I believe that is exactly the point she was trying to make!
From the Heart,
Kristin

We give consent not only through our words and conscious intention, but also through our choices, action, and inaction.

[ghostrider]

Duncan as far as I remember has never been wrong. You may not like the message but it's his truth. Remember your dealing with an Mk Ultra surviour that was tortured , you think he will have many happy thoughts ?? The war is coming , hell he was one of their soldiers to be used against us. I am glad he is on our side. the ptb can't stop him, he knows their tricks, and has a few friends in high places. we are gonna need that soon ... look at his seminars, combat training and unity, training everyone to be leaders not followers... always giving the cold hard truth...

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Flash (here)

My bet: this guy is a verbal communicator nor a written one. The message verbally goes much better. My second bet, he is culturally from an environment that is tough, speak directly and spit out words some do not want to hear. This makes it difficult at times for our frail egos.

so you are saying that this guy does not know what kind of impact he makes in the written word? after all he did send this out by email. If he is not aware I would say that is a signficant lack of awareness on his part. Personally, I do think he knows what he is saying and writing and its impact. This is his work you know.

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Posted by ghostrider (here)
. the ptb can't stop him,...

I find that a little hard to believe

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by markpierre (here)
Surrounded by drunks and escapist fools that represented everything mindless I hate about this world.

You say "drunks" like it's a bad thing.



I hear what you are saying. The shallow world is frustrating. Duncan says "See ANY changes for the good? You won't." That's not true. That's just how Duncan chooses to see the world. I see beauty everywhere I look. And I'm not high. And I don't subscribe to the same "The world has gone to ****" view. The world is full of horrors. And the world is full of beauty. And even if everything about the human experience is pure hell, which it is not, the wind still blows. The grass still grows. Dogs and grandmas still love unconditionally. The human heart is still full of wonder.

I'm no hippy, boys and girls. I keep my powder dry. But love still rules. Go love.

[Kristin]

If one HAD consciously given their soul, a teenager or a child for example... I would like to believe that in their maturity they could break that agreement. It would be interesting to hear thoughts on how that could be accomplished. There are clearing methods that I've heard of, however, I'm going to look for people who have accomplished this to see what these methods could be.

I would imagine that the idea that "it could be done" would be a powerful force that would be necessary to begin to break the programming. The strong belief that such a contract could not be broken would be counter productive. It's an interesting thing to bind one's own soul, to realize it, and to want out. What would the options be? It's interesting, but I can not believe that a kid who didn't know any better would have this choice taken away in latter life when he understood the ramifications.

I tend to shy away from absolutes, but that's just me.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Freed Fox]

Right on Bill Mur--... I mean, Whiskey_Mystic!

[ghostrider]

Posted by humanalien (here)
I like duncan. He shoots from the hip and he doesn't
care if he offends anyone. He calls it as he sees it.

How-ever, i do wish that he would make a full disclosure
of what he knows. I'm sure there is more, that he is not
telling us.

Concerning his Godmother, i thought he once disclosed
that she wasn't human. Does anyone else remember this
or am i remembering wrong?

If it's true, would it endanger her if her species was revealed?

I remember Kerry met her or saw her at an event and asked her age and she replied infinity... laylani.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by norman (here)
If any one of you had been through the **** he's been through, I bet you'd be holding up less well than he is.

How do you know we haven't? Let's not make assumptions. :-)

There's a lot of support for Duncan here. There's also a lot of good feedback. Part of discerning Duncan's message and implications thereof, which is what Avalon does, will involve discerning Duncan himself. Personally, I have never met Duncan, so I have to use his writings and patterns of behavior to assess who I think he is. I know that Bill is friends with him and thinks highly of him. It's no insult to Duncan that we want to figure him out, especially given the number of frauds, misguided do-gooders, and disinfo agents we encounter.

[Kristin]

Hey Norman, I have been trough some of what Duncan has been through, sorry to say. I happen to communicate with him and Miranda personally on occasion. I think these are legitimate inquiries, it's healthy to keep an open mind IMO. Everyone is different and has differing ways of communication. Some more soothing then others, not better, it's just that we are all unique. I do not agree with the way that Duncan expresses himself at times, and yet we seem to get along just fine. He's an interesting character.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[9eagle9]

Here i'll let my venom tipped tongue expand on it a little.

It's a very complex thing, it had to be made that way because its actually very easy to see through. Made complex because our inner selves are actually very good at seeing through this crap. The conscious mind and the emotional body are not. The ego likes complexities, it keeps the mind tied up and away from what is really occurring.

We often do have to reduce it down to potato chips and hot dogs, but there are a number of threads about parastical energies that go in depth.

Let my venom tipped tongue give you some things to consider. Take what Selene said and really know it.

Our work has hardly just begun. If I were to clump us all together statistically we’ve all just woken up and have not yet gotten out of bed. We’re waking up, but we have not yet really DONE anything with that. Waking up is great. Would it do you any good if you never got out of bed. And you just comforted yourself with the knowledge that you were awake. The thought of being ‘awake’ then takes on more importance than ‘being’ awake, living breathing, doing awake. You have to get out of bed and do something with your awake state.

And the moment you get out of bed to 'do' and someone, another awake person lounging in their bed still, gets angry at you and orders you back in bed because how dare you disturb them....that's when the game starts rolling.

Why I say this is that topics like this are VERY important to people ..as conversation pieces. the internet version of a coffee book table.

They want to talk about it on a mental level , as the idea of doing something. When someone actually does something they are angry or the person who did something is angry.

This is selling one’s self out.

It’s called crazy making **** too. That is setting a condition of sell out to have a zillion sheep bleeting 'do something, help us' and then when you do they turn on you...lol. Because you took it from a place of light conversation where they are comfortable and put the reality of it in their face. Not so comfortable.



Before we sell our souls in a manner of speaking, we first sell ourselves out by showing the entire cosmos how easy it is to sell ourselves out. We put ourselves up for bid first. We put ourselves on the auction table and they just come in like the smart consumers they are and start bidding.

They can’t just come in with a Hoover and suck it out. We have to make our willingness known first. The things that operate on this level are very weak. They don’t have much substance , they of course need what we have to give them what they crave. Otherwise they could come take a Hoover and just vacuum us out if they were 'all powerful'

So you take a very weak parasitical energy and present it with two scenarios

A person who pulls a knife, stands their ground and says you aren’t taking me down I know how you operate. I know what you are I see you for what you are.

Or someone who whimpers oh, I forgive you. To not sell out to you puts me in a moral quandary with my belief system that is all about shining light and forgiveness. I won’t say anything bad about you or even think about what you are doing to me. . So even though I’m priming myself to create conditions to sell my soul out, I love you, I forgive you I’ll even pray for you as long as I look like a nice person and saint to everyone as you are sucking my soul out.


Which person do YOU personally think is going to become an easy target for soul harvesting. Scrap soul harvesting . Which person would be an easy target for a common 3d burglar.

If you are smart enough to ask the question you are probably intelligent enough to know the answer.

Believe me you a lot of people won’t ask the question.

Setting pre-existing conditions and entrenching yourself there is selling your soul.

Like the 12-21 fiasco. People have invested not only their souls, but their futures in that creating division not only within themselves but in others. People literally going to the mat over fairy tales. GROWN ups., Adults.

When WE start his psychological warfare not only with ourselves but with each other, playing the victim, squealing that "I'm hurt' over this kind of conversation we not only sell ourselves out, we sell each other out. This is not personal it potentially can touch everyone of us. You may as well just get your CIA card or get your pension check from MK Ultra then.

Conditioning your-self with beliefs, modalities, and getting stuck there is selling your sell out to a thought, an idea, something that is not real or even worthy of who you really are.

Cutting and pasting someone else’s solutions, words, wisdoms, teaching s and instructions as if these were your own inner knowing is selling your soul. You deprive not only yourself of you but everyone else of you as well.

Not using the thousands of tools available to self-excavate, really know yourself, your wisdom, you deprive yourself, of yourself, and OTHER people of your SELF. You sold yourself out.

People who engage only in the positive don't realize that they only delivering the negative to others when that is a artificial positive. You've sold yourself out.

The moment you can’t manage yourself, your emotions, your behaviors, you have to pull back and ask yourself am I selling myself out ?

We are all deprived of each other by selling our souls and assuming masks. Here’s my soul, I’ll take the victim mask please as a replacement.

Piddling around with thing things that one is not well versed in and distorting and creating conditions and pitfalls for others based on a need for this condition.

On an individual level we can keep our souls, clean our souls, clear our souls, and keep them sacred, for ourselves and not contribute the matrix. But not if we are selling it out. That creates a future condition.

There all sorts of unseen things in the world that watch us get up to these behaviors and see how easily we sell our own selves out and figure we are easy marks.

And we are

Till we stop selling ourselves out.

There are some very smart people in the world. Your own inner self is a thousand times as smart. If we can’t listen to people who have the inside scoop on how this works…and they are speaking very loudly, plainly and intelligently. If we can’t hear what they have to say on the matter…. How are we going to have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing that knows even more?

That too is selling ourselves out.

My forebears knew about this thousands of years ago. This is not new. Granted they thought the moon was eating souls but I like to think we've learned something since then. But with all the rumors about the moon not being what it really is maybe they were not that far off target.

Posted by Gekko (here)
Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

Is it simply being submissive to TPTB? Actively engaging in deception and abuse? At what specific point does one "cash the check" and cross over to the dark side? If there are definite and severe consequences either way, there needs to be a specific explanation of the mechanism. Otherwise it's just floundering in obscurity.

[norman]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by norman (here)
If any one of you had been through the **** he's been through, I bet you'd be holding up less well than he is.

How do you know we haven't? Let's not make assumptions. :-)

There's a lot of support for Duncan here. There's also a lot of good feedback. Part of discerning Duncan's message and implications thereof, which is what Avalon does, will involve discerning Duncan himself. Personally, I have never met Duncan, so I have to use his writings and patterns of behavior to assess who I think he is. I know that Bill is friends with him and thinks highly of him. It's no insult to Duncan that we want to figure him out, especially given the number of frauds, misguided do-gooders, and disinfo agents we encounter.

I don't ACTUALLY know anything about any of you Whistic

I'm very sorry to have "obviously" junked into something that others see value in that I have so far failed to see.

and Yes... you or others may very well have been through such stuff... ok, I jumped the "gun"....


Can anyone participating in this thread release me from this stuffy smelly personally meaningful horniness ambience that gives me the 'chuck-up'.

Life IS dirty and messy. Duncan is spinning around in that like a 'crazy' guy. Is he over indulging in something he should have over come by now, or is he still in "credit" for a 'reach-out' for all our clasp in arms?

This conversation, as I read it, isn't even dealing with that.

[Kristin]

Beautifully stated and worth repeating:

9eagle9: "There are some very smart people in the world. Your own inner self is a thousand times as smart. If we can’t listen to people who have the inside scoop on how this works…and they are speaking very loudly, plainly and intelligently. If we can’t hear what they have to say on the matter…. How are we going to have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing that knows even more?

That too is selling ourselves out."

[Kristin]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by norman (here)
If any one of you had been through the **** he's been through, I bet you'd be holding up less well than he is.

How do you know we haven't? Let's not make assumptions. :-)

There's a lot of support for Duncan here. There's also a lot of good feedback. Part of discerning Duncan's message and implications thereof, which is what Avalon does, will involve discerning Duncan himself. Personally, I have never met Duncan, so I have to use his writings and patterns of behavior to assess who I think he is. I know that Bill is friends with him and thinks highly of him. It's no insult to Duncan that we want to figure him out, especially given the number of frauds, misguided do-gooders, and disinfo agents we encounter.

I don't ACTUALLY know anything about any of you Whistic

I'm very sorry to have "obviously" junked into something that others see value in that I have so far failed to see.

and Yes... you or others may very well have been through such stuff... ok, I jumped the "gun"....


Can anyone participating in this thread release me from this stuffy smelly personally meaningful horniness ambience that gives me the 'chuck-up'.

Life IS dirty and messy. Duncan is spinning around in that like a 'crazy' guy. Is he over indulging in something he should have over come by now, or is he still in "credit" for a 'reach-out' for all our clasp in arms?

This conversation, as I read it, isn't even dealing with that.

Well, if Duncan is damaged in some way... does that make what he's experienced and his message any less valid?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Kristin (here)
Beautifully stated and worth repeating:

9eagle9: "There are some very smart people in the world. Your own inner self is a thousand times as smart. If we can’t listen to people who have the inside scoop on how this works…and they are speaking very loudly, plainly and intelligently. If we can’t hear what they have to say on the matter…. How are we going to have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing that knows even more?

That too is selling ourselves out."

I'd like to invite everyone who skipped 9eagle9's post because it was too long to go back and read it. It's relevant.

[Gardener]

Every time we are manipulated into doing something which we don't want to do, a bit of soul energy runs off into hiding. We have the power to say no, and yet often don't because its easier more comfortable.

Believing a 'lie' because it fits some other 'lie' and 'sits' well within the comfort zone, nice n fluffy, then going on to propogate that 'lie' (belief) to make someone else feel good............off and running goes a nother bit of the soul energy.

Just another perspective.

[mosquito]

Sometimes there really is no need to get too wordy about defining things. "Selling your soul" is surely a very extreme sounding idea, isn't it ? To me, this means doing something which you totally, 100% know to be WRONG and harmful to others, you know there are consequenses to your actions and you act anyway. Rape comes to mind. Stealing a packet of biscuits doesn't. Nor does working as a prostitute in order to feed your child, sacrificing your needs in order to help others, or doing something with less than 100% awareness.