Who are the 24 Elders, A revelation

[Billy]

Posted by araucaria (here)
@billyjl, please do not take my remarks as spoken in ignorance without reading your thread.

Thank you, I appreciate that you have taken the time and effort.

Posted by araucaria (here)
My issue stands: what you call the universe is at best our galactic backyard, and I feel uncomfortable enough with that kind of confusion to withdraw from this discussion without further ado.
Peace to you

Understanding you have withdrawn from the discussion, not only our back yard but all of the created universes. and after humanity has lifted the blockage within themselves to expand. also those universes that have yet to be created. as explained in the thread.

I would like to have understood what brings confusion to you.

peace be with you

[TOTHE]

New perspective on quantum physics and metaphysics. Five hours of workshop videos. Watch out about the “illusion”, the way it can be misinterpreted and confuse personal relationships if taken out of context to become a “belief” instead of a “perception”.
http://www.holographicuniverseworkshops.com/

Now for the Lords Prayer: original 2,000 year old translation is a lesson in quantum physics, metaphysics and spiced with spirituality to show a perception. In the source link below you will see the evolution (distortion?) of the Lords Prayer through the centuries to reflect a belief system expression in violation from the original simple expression of perception. You can hear the faint echo down through the centuries of the wisdom of the Elohim.

The Prayer To Our Father
(translated into first century Aramaic)

Abwûn
"Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,

d'bwaschmâja
who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.

Nethkâdasch schmach
May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.

Têtê malkuthach.
Your Heavenly Domain approaches.

Nehwê tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
just as on earth (that is material and dense).

Hawvlân lachma d'sûnkanân jaomâna.
Give us wisdom (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,

Waschboklân chaubên wachtahên aikâna
daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabên.
detach the fetters of faults that bind us, (karma)
like we let go the guilt of others.

Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

ela patzân min bischa.
but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.

Amên.
Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
(I confirm with my entire being)


Source:
http://www.thenazareneway.com/lords_prayer.htm


Offical website of Bruce Fraser MacDonald, PhD.
http://www.thomastwin.com/Index.html

Research into A Course in Miracles (ACIM) which in itself is a belief system of an illusion universe and explains the danger.
http://www.thomastwin.com/26%20A%20R...reactions.html

[AwakeInADream]

I've just made a rather strange observation with regards to 'The Only Planet of Choice',
which I've just got around to start reading from the beginning.

I had a sudden impulse to check out the numerological value for the name 'Tom' (A=1 to Z=26), and I got 48 the double of 24. To me coming from a musical background I see doubled numbers as having essentially the same 'vibration', because in music when you double a frequency you get the same note only an octave higher. So 'Tom' having a value of 48 was quite a happy coincidence for me given the title of this thread.

Then I looked further into the other names Tom gave for himself, and 'Harmarkos' jumped out straight away as 86. 86 is also the value in Hebrew Gematria as 'Elohim', so I started to think that maybe 'The Nine' were the Elohim of Genesis.

I only had to read a few more paragraphs on to get confirmation that indeed Tom did equate 'The Nine' with 'The Elohim':

We are what is identified [in the Hebraic tradition] as the Elohim. We wish you to know we are not God. We are collective and become one. We wish you to know that we are you as you are we. You created us, and out of that creation you were created. Do not underestimate who you are, and your ability.

The name 'Harmarkos' I think was the name of The Sphinx(I may have misunderstood this part), and some of the imagery Tom uses to describe The Nine seems to me rather Pyramid like with a point of light at the top, so it was also of interest to me to discover that the word 'Pyramid' in English is also 86.
So maybe the Pyramids of Egypt are really symbolic of 'The Elohim' and thus 'The Nine'.

I think being that Tom and The Nine are super-intelligent it seems reasonable to assume, that they also encoded their messages with numerology (and more besides). They do say that human kind will need to evolve in consciousness before we can truly ever understand who they are. So I think they may have left many hidden clues under the surface of the text.

(Just a few initial thoughts, I'm still only reading Chapter 1, )

[araucaria]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
@billyjl, please do not take my remarks as spoken in ignorance without reading your thread.

Thank you, I appreciate that you have taken the time and effort.

Posted by araucaria (here)
My issue stands: what you call the universe is at best our galactic backyard, and I feel uncomfortable enough with that kind of confusion to withdraw from this discussion without further ado.
Peace to you

Understanding you have withdrawn from the discussion, not only our back yard but all of the created universes. and after humanity has lifted the blockage within themselves to expand. also those universes that have yet to be created. as explained in the thread.

I would like to have understood what brings confusion to you.

peace be with you

I wasn't going to answer this.

I detect confusion and now it is me who is confused.

Over and out

[TOTHE]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I've just made a rather strange observation with regards to 'The Only Planet of Choice',
which I've just got around to start reading from the beginning.

I had a sudden impulse to check out the numerological value for the name 'Tom' (A=1 to Z=26), and I got 48 the double of 24. To me coming from a musical background I see doubled numbers as having essentially the same 'vibration', because in music when you double a frequency you get the same note only an octave higher. So 'Tom' having a value of 48 was quite a happy coincidence for me given the title of this thread.

Then I looked further into the other names Tom gave for himself, and 'Harmarkos' jumped out straight away as 86. 86 is also the value in Hebrew Gematria as 'Elohim', so I started to think that maybe 'The Nine' were the Elohim of Genesis.

I only had to read a few more paragraphs on to get confirmation that indeed Tom did equate 'The Nine' with 'The Elohim':

We are what is identified [in the Hebraic tradition] as the Elohim. We wish you to know we are not God. We are collective and become one. We wish you to know that we are you as you are we. You created us, and out of that creation you were created. Do not underestimate who you are, and your ability.

The name 'Harmarkos' I think was the name of The Sphinx(I may have misunderstood this part), and some of the imagery Tom uses to describe The Nine seems to me rather Pyramid like with a point of light at the top, so it was also of interest to me to discover that the word 'Pyramid' in English is also 86.
So maybe the Pyramids of Egypt are really symbolic of 'The Elohim' and thus 'The Nine'.

I think being that Tom and The Nine are super-intelligent it seems reasonable to assume, that they also encoded their messages with numerology (and more besides). They do say that human kind will need to evolve in consciousness before we can truly ever understand who they are. So I think they may have left many hidden clues under the surface of the text.

(Just a few initial thoughts, I'm still only reading Chapter 1, )

Bingo! You made the connection. You are waaay ahead of me on personal consiousness too.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by TOTHE (here)
Bingo! You made the connection. You are waaay ahead of me on personal consiousness too.

Thank's! You're too kind, but I'm just obsessed with numbers that's all.
Another connection to numbers, as you said "Bingo!", lot's of numbers there.(An example of just how daft I really am)

It is odd though that as I started reading "The Only Planet of Choice", my unconscious mind should lead me to
information that I would only minuets later read.

I wonder does understanding channeled material require the reader to be in a slightly altered state also,
and therefore more in touch with what is being communicated unconsciously?

[TOTHE]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
It is odd though that as I started reading "The Only Planet of Choice", my unconscious mind should lead me to
information that I would only minuets later read.

I wonder does understanding channeled material require the reader to be in a slightly altered state also,
and therefore more in touch with what is being communicated unconsciously?

I don’t know if it is a ‘slightly altered state’, you and I have been doing this all our lives. The ‘Nine’ are probably watching us now on this forum thread as we wade through our discoveries in The Only Planet of Choice. Of course our opinions and reactions are from our 3-D ego body-mind filtered by our perceptions, beliefs, judgments and prejudices. Case in point: araucaria’s confusion with the concepts presented here...he may be right, maybe we should run from this thread like our pants is on fire.

My perceptions:
Tom was very clear that Phyllis Schlemmer was not a channeler but a ‘transceiver’ from a group within a very high dimension of consciousness. That means bypassing all the chatter and distortions from the positive & negative lower etheric bands and possible artificial EMR induced mind control devices..no possible filtering of the transcribed text, therefore the words are “power words” for us to deduce hidden meanings. It’s a game that they love for us to play for they are an appreciative, very loving audience and are on a learning curve too.

Our conscious souls, by agreement, allowed themselves to become entrapped within the 3-D Earth density to experience the majesty of life in a biological Human body-mind. The audience is the Universe. Each and every one of us are “Devine Receiver/ Transmitters” directing our focus allow the sub-quantum energy to flow in the creation of matter from light energy. We all walk in our divinity.

You, AwakeInADream , have a gift. I imagine the Nine by agreement with your soul, from as far back as 1972, allowed the weight of numbers to be revealed in the text today by you. I am in awe.

I know you won’t freak out when you see them for the first time in your dreams. Tell them: “It’s about time you guys showed up”.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by TOTHE (here)
I know you won’t freak out when you see them for the first time in your dreams. Tell them: “It’s about time you guys showed up”.

Now you come to mention it, I have seen an indescribably bright light in a dream (well over a year ago) that I took to be the tri-une light of God, and this is just how Tom described The Nine as looking(I think). That was an experience I would like to repeat.

It involved mind to mind communication of an absolute knowledge of the nature of God, but this knowing wasn't accessible to my every day consciousness when I awoke, I could only remember how it felt. I'm hoping that it's just a matter of time before this knowledge filters through...

[Billy]

Sorry guys but again i have no internet connection, it will be this way until I house/pet sit again at the end of Jan. Thank you TOTHE and Awake. Keep going.

Today i would like to thank everyone for their input into this thread "Who are the 24 Elders". Starting with the OP where i shared some of my personal experiences, I will say now that trying to express what has been churning inside of me for almost 40yrs now, and putting into a written format was for me a massive undertaking. Many thanks to mod Marriane for her assistance.

Then onto what others have said about the Universal Elders including the book. " The only planet of choice" and after that a scientific look at our DNA and extratterestrial connections.

From there we have talked about, The Twelve Tribes, DNA, Yahweh, Enoch, J.J Hurtack's Keys of Enoch. Sumarian, Mauro Biglino's Literal translation of the OT, Mother Mary, Hidden hand, Twelve Magickal Worlds, TOTHE's magical pendant, Numerology, And more. WOW..

And in my opinion all debated with respect towards each other. I say only on Avalon could this have happened.

Therefore I thank Bill Ryan, Mods, Admin and Avalonians for this forum where space has been created where souls can express topics that would not normally be discussed.

Today is the last day of 2012. And here we all are, as i expressed we would be, still standing. Knocking on the door of 2013.

Have a Blessed new year everyone. May this be the year that Peace comes to planet earth through our own intentions and actions.

Peace be with you all.

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's BillyJ!)

I'd buy you your own Internet Cafe If I could!
I hope you get 'hooked up' again very soon, I will pray to that effect(if it be God's will)...

Have a Happy and Very Blessed New Year!

[ulli]

I so regret that I didn't follow this thread from the beginning. I only now realize what it is about.
Actually, it deals with all my personal core beliefs, and dot-connecting I've done over the years.
I really think you are onto something here.
I found that book the Only Planet of Choice more than twelve years ago, when it was online for free, and printed it out.
Pages and pages...somewhere inside a box now.
I was blown away at the time that Gene Roddenberry had gotten so many ideas for the Star Trek series from his sessions with Phyllis Schlemmer.
But also that idea of a Council of Nine...it explained to me the message which the Bahai Faith brought to humanity...to establish in every municipality a council (assembly) of nine community members, elected by the whole community...
with a secret ballot election process...with no political campaigning allowed. A totally new governmental system for the planet...and totally grassroots and democratic.

The other idea...of why planet earth was so unique was dealt with in the Wingmakers interviews....
This planet has more diversity than any inhabited planet in our galaxy.
The ETs call us the Galactic Zoo.
That's why some come here and help themselves to our DNA. The diversity here is something we take for granted, but it also means we have a vast spectrum of variety of thought, with no one person able to see the overall picture....and hardly ever are two on the same page.
This is the cause of so many clashes, this extraordinary diversity.
The Bahai message, to form councils of nine all over the planet, with the challenge to consult on local issues until a consensus can be reached and appropriate action to solve local problems can be taken, is still in my opinion the best way to get matters back on track. Not participating in that process, as I believe the organization was hijacked.
So when later I found The Nine, as channeled by Phyllis Schlemmer, I thought,
hey, this could be that spirit who was behind Baha'u'llah
when he wrote his message back in the nineteenth century.
Religious revelation and channeling are very similar, and only vary in degree.
The truth then has to be discerned by the listeners.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Thank's BillyJ!)

I'd buy you your own Internet Cafe If I could!
I hope you get 'hooked up' again very soon, I will pray to that effect(if it be God's will)...

Have a Happy and Very Blessed New Year!

I heard George Carlin pose a question the other day while watching some of his great comedy.
"If it be god's will why do we have to pray?"

[Swan]

Happy New Year Bilyji, and everybody else!

This thread is providing me with some puzzle pieces.

Thank You.

[TOTHE]

Posted by ulli (here)
I so regret that I didn't follow this thread from the beginning. I only now realize what it is about.

Dear Ulli;
I am overjoyed you finally made it here. You were the only one who showed an interest in June, 2011 when I first posted a quote of the Nine someplace on the Avalon Forum. I knew you would make it here eventually and our orbits would again intersect.

About the Wingmakers: I had to move away from them. As I understand they are ED’s with a temporal sight ability and are attempting to change their past at our expense. Their images caused me discomfort..and the same with Aleshia Dean’s information. Imposition of a “belief system” upon mankind to achieve something or an agenda? I got confused, my perceptions are based on physical science, metaphysics, experience, intuition and one lonely spirit guide...just like everyone else here.

About the Baha'i Faith: I had to work along side a Mensa Baathist for six years in the late 1960's! He was instrumental in opening my eyes to the New Age. I was a great listener and was the only one who knew what the hell he was talking about. I was into the study of philosophy and he was the mentalist (the only true one I have ever met too).

Welcome Ulli, I am seriously thinking about asking and paying you for a reading.

[lookbeyond]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Thank's BillyJ!)

I'd buy you your own Internet Cafe If I could!
I hope you get 'hooked up' again very soon, I will pray to that effect(if it be God's will)...

Have a Happy and Very Blessed New Year!

Ditto from me too,
Thankyou Billyji and All

love lookbeyond

[ulli]

Posted by TOTHE (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
I so regret that I didn't follow this thread from the beginning. I only now realize what it is about.

Dear Ulli;
I am overjoyed you finally made it here. You were the only one who showed an interest in June, 2011 when I first posted a quote of the Nine someplace on the Avalon Forum. I knew you would make it here eventually and our orbits would again intersect.

About the Wingmakers: I had to move away from them. As I understand they are ED’s with a temporal sight ability and are attempting to change their past at our expense. Their images caused me discomfort..and the same with Aleshia Dean’s information. Imposition of a “belief system” upon mankind to achieve something or an agenda? I got confused, my perceptions are based on physical science, metaphysics, experience, intuition and one lonely spirit guide...just like everyone else here.

About the Baha'i Faith: I had to work along side a Mensa Baathist for six years in the late 1960's! He was instrumental in opening my eyes to the New Age. I was a great listener and was the only one who knew what the hell he was talking about. I was into the study of philosophy and he was the mentalist (the only true one I have ever met too).

Welcome Ulli, I am seriously thinking about asking and paying you for a reading.

Wow. What a friendly welcome! Thank you for making me feel at home.
Can't dedicate much time right now, but just wanted to say how interesting that you actually found an explanation for what is wrong with the Wingmakers materials.
They grabbed me for a couple of years, then I drifted away...
however, I could never quite figure out what the flaw was. All I knew deep inside was that yes, there was something wrong.
I took from it what I found to be true and forgot the rest.
Anyway, happy New Year, everyone here.

[TOTHE]

The quote below is from: TEXT, CHAPTER TWELVE, CURRENT AND NEAR FUTURE EARTH STATUS SUMMARY, page 156, SPIRITUAL RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
http://3108.info/text/textc12.htm

YOUR BASIC SPIRITUAL RIGHTS IN THE UNIVERSES OF GOD

You have the right to all of the things which GOD has provided for you. Things like your planet, designed to sustain life in your particular physical form. You have the right to all the normal needs that people need in order to live and grow such as adequate food, the knowledge to be comfortable against the elements of nature, good air and water and the like. You have the right to ALL knowledge stored in the CC-1 data base on the Mental Plane (cosmic consciousness). You have the right to choose to have a mate IF you are willing to accept the karmas that this situation generates.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to use any of the knowledge and abilities that you may learn to violate the laws of GOD by hurting other people for no legitimate reason or trying to make other people your slave or exploiting them because they know less than you do.

You, as well as all other life forms, have the right to life. You have the right to defend yourself using any power at your command if threatened with extinction by another life form. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to over react to non threatening situations or because your feelings are hurt or you feel scared because you are personally inadequate to deal with some situation.

Source & index of TEXT: please read the entry “text.htm” to shed some light on new info. What a rabbit hole this is turning out to be.

http://3108.info/text/

[AwakeInADream]

That's some intruiging information there TOTHE!

The introduction say's that Satan's real name is 'Kal', which makes me wonder was the fictional character Superman named after Satan?
It is a possibility being that his Kryptonian name is 'Kal-El' (which may mean 'Satan-God' since 'El' means God).
Is this the real reason why Superman has a big 'S' on his chest? S for Satan?

I hope it's not true because I love the Superman films!

(*Note* This is mere speculation/dot connecting on my part, the text itself doesn't slander Superman in any way)

[TOTHE]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
That's some intruiging information there TOTHE!

The introduction say's that Satan's real name is 'Kal', which makes me wonder was the fictional character Superman named after Satan?
It is a possibility being that his Kryptonian name is 'Kal-El' (which may mean 'Satan-God' since 'El' means God).
Is this the real reason why Superman has a big 'S' on his chest? S for Satan?

I hope it's not true because I love the Superman films!

(*Note* This is mere speculation/dot connecting on my part, the text itself doesn't slander Superman in any way)

I am holding on my answer to you. I am attempting to find answers (dots) in the Vedas, Bible, Sumerian, Gospels, etc., etc..

*Note* This is mere speculation: It looks like there are 3 different Gods in the Bible.

So far I am into chapter “TWENTY-NINE – Exodus” of The Greatest Story Never Told to find out who is what from my $106 printed copy. You are welcome to look in the sources below with me (my computer gives me eyestrain to read on it).

Printed version, but you cannot copy.
http://www.hyksos.org/index.php?titl...Never_Told#2-1
Scribed version, cannot copy.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59684072/T...rrine-Cantrell
Source &search of pdf, this you can copy, also put on a USB disk to bring to Office Max ($106.00 including 600 page 3 ring binder).
http://archive.org/details/The_Great..._Lana_Cantrell

[AwakeInADream]

I've been meaning to start that book(The Greatest Story Never Told), I think RomanWKT gave a link to it on another thread. It looks good!

Are the 3 different God's you are referring to Elohim,YHVH and EHIH?

It's interesting to note that when Abraham met the mysterious being Melchizedek, that Melchizedek already had his own God that he called El Elyon (God Most High).

I'd like to think (as the Kabbalah states) that all of those God's mentioned in the Bible are one and the same,
but what if they are not? What if the 'real' God isn't even mentioned in the Bible at all?

This worries and confuses me, because I wouldn't like to think that by praying towards one particular name,
that I might inadvertantly praying to Lucifer or Satan or any other 'lesser' God's.

Maybe it's best not to give God a name at all, and to think of God as The Nine do, as the ultimate yet indescribeable
source of, and sum of all that is.