Metaphysics:Where Science and Spirituality Meet

[Ultima Thule]

Posted by modwiz (here)
This is not so much about dogma, right/wrong. The written word is what we have in this forum and it is the medium for idea conveyance. Written in stone is a corny idea anyway.LOL I treat my organic knowledge base like a hard drive. I write, copy, paste and of equal importance, I delete. It stays while it works and gets edited or deleted as needed.

A big problem that has revealed itself is thinking with the emotional body. Apparently, this simple concept is jibberish to many. This is working very well for certain people. The tower of babble serves those who benefit from confusion. This thread is no more than the equivalent of knowing poisonous snakes from non-poisonous ones. That is, useful information to help one navigate safely. No metaphor here. Proper thinking requires a cool head with a minimum of hormonal releases. The emotional body is a hormone producing one. Hormonal cascades do not help clear thinking and the varying neuro chemical shifts produces effects bordering on multiple personalities. In the end we not only disagree with each other, we disagree with other parts of our selves. I consider that not productive. The results are in the world, friends and family surrounding us. Dysfunction is the norm. It is accepted as the norm. This is not a good thing.

The hormonal release threshold has been what I´ve figured out to be the main difference - again in chinese medicine concept - between the feelings that inner organs produce on their own when for example in malfunction and feelings that trigger no such activity, being related to the persons Shen, the spiritual aspect that is of "heavenly" origin. This I have thought to be one key thing in all of those meditative practices where you detach from your feelings and thoughts - discovering your true self, non-hormonal self? Now don´t get me wrong, I like hormones as well as the next fellow!
How good of you to bring that up!

UT

[modwiz]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
This is not so much about dogma, right/wrong. The written word is what we have in this forum and it is the medium for idea conveyance. Written in stone is a corny idea anyway.LOL I treat my organic knowledge base like a hard drive. I write, copy, paste and of equal importance, I delete. It stays while it works and gets edited or deleted as needed.

A big problem that has revealed itself is thinking with the emotional body. Apparently, this simple concept is jibberish to many. This is working very well for certain people. The tower of babble serves those who benefit from confusion. This thread is no more than the equivalent of knowing poisonous snakes from non-poisonous ones. That is, useful information to help one navigate safely. No metaphor here. Proper thinking requires a cool head with a minimum of hormonal releases. The emotional body is a hormone producing one. Hormonal cascades do not help clear thinking and the varying neuro chemical shifts produces effects bordering on multiple personalities. In the end we not only disagree with each other, we disagree with other parts of our selves. I consider that not productive. The results are in the world, friends and family surrounding us. Dysfunction is the norm. It is accepted as the norm. This is not a good thing.

The hormonal release threshold has been what I´ve figured out to be the main difference - again in chinese medicine concept - between the feelings that inner organs produce on their own when for example in malfunction and feelings that trigger no such activity, being related to the persons Shen, the spiritual aspect that is of "heavenly" origin. This I have thought to be one key thing in all of those meditative practices where you detach from your feelings and thoughts - discovering your true self?
How good of you to bring that up!

UT

Your contributions are understood by me. I have a cursury education in TMC (traditional Chinese medicine). In order for me to keep a focus on basic subtle anatomy, I will let you fill in any information that you think is useful. For myself, the path will be as narrow as my kind of circular/horizontal thinking will allow. The richness of TCM is shown in the many poetic names for acupuncture points. I love the name, "bubbling spring" for the Kidney1 point. There is so much in these two words, especially when the element and organ function is understood. The consciousness contained in the organ system is very disorienting to Western thought raised on the body as a machine with a binary concept of health. Well or sick, nothing in between. The nuance of TCM includes the many variables of light between night, dawn, day, midday, afternoon, dusk, twilight and then night again. These qualities are also part of everything. Including the subtle bodies. The emotional one no different.

[DNA]

You mention the emotional body quite a bit. The emotional body is always going to be involved in group settings because of the energy exchange taking place. This takes place on a medium even such as this with all of us being great distances from one another. I'm sure someone more adept could give a quantum physics lesson in why this is. The trick is in determining the agenda of those who would profess to offer their insights. Is it out of the true philanthropic desire to help others,,,, or is their payment in the quantum particles we call attention?

[modwiz]

Posted by DNA (here)
You mention the emotional body quite a bit. The emotional body is always going to be involved in group settings because of the energy exchange taking place. This takes place on a medium even such as this with all of us being great distances from one another. I'm sure someone more adept could give a quantum physics lesson in why this is. The trick is in determining the agenda of those who would profess to offer their insights. Is it out of the true philanthropic desire to help others,,,, or is their payment in the quantum particles we call attention.

I mentioned in an earlier post here in reply to Rahkyt that I would rather let someone else handle this. The emotional wreckage in the world today guarantees that any attention will come with grief. I hope that will allow you to drop your agenda agenda.

The emotional body is the impetus behind this thread, philanthropy the fuel.

Carmody speaks on this, adeptly, at length and in many ways. This is yet another approach.

[modwiz]

An old thread from a member who made 6 posts. Worth a look, IMO.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post76078

[DNA]

Agenda? I'm all for brevity of posts and I would love to think this could speak volumes to me, is this my agenda? Is it someone else's agenda I've unknowingly adopted? Since it's an agenda agenda does that make it an agenda within an agenda?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

The emotional body produces either a fight or flight response, so it is much less complex than the intellectual body.
Because of this simplicity it is also much faster than the intellect. It only needs to decide between like and dislike.

The variety in between those responses are endless btw, the flight from and flight to, just as there is fighting for and fightinging off and or take a few steps back to check out the opponent what or whoever this is ( sizing it up).

The flight one is way more interesting imo, i see this every day, especcially where love is involved, take for instance the borderline personality who is bassically experiencing lack off love and can be a bottomless emotional pit ( no offense here, these are observations i make every day) they flee from this one to the next in the hope their expectations of what and how they should be or deserve to be loved will finally be met, usually creating havoc in many many lives, the love addiction is a dangerous one, possibly the most dangerous one of all, we all want it and we all need it, but to what extent is the question, digging a hole in front of you to fill the one behind you is not the solution, you are still always and forever left with some hole behind you, not smart when the moment arrives that you have to take step back,hormones are the people breeder but can be the absolute mind killer, check out your own relationships/friendships/jobs where you made the wrong decision by going for what the body needed instead of using your brain and put you needs on hold.


I think this is a very interesting thread, if i am on the wrong trail here just kick me out, i am only trying to learn something here.

I will keep reading here though.

[spiritwind]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by D-DAY (here)
Excellent!

Finally some subject matter worth paying attention to... I'm al ears..

Thank you. I hope all are aware of the thread by Vivek here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post606382

This is an opus that is a parallel to this discussion. It is rich in science that can be used for metaphysics. It is an excellent balance for right brained thinking because it is presented in a way that the pieces marry together. It is Olympic strength intellectual swimming. It is also getting some excellent contributions from some of Avalons' other treasures.
There is also Carmody's The Question of Lithium thread for the very intrepid. Plenty of gold there, except it requires Olympic strength intellectual swimming in shark infested waters. Metaphorically speaking, of course. A Bachelors in various sciences would help too.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post192251

Thank you for continuing to point out jewels that I had previously overlooked here. I had started looking at Vivek's thread but not this one started by Carmody. I haven't even got past the first post and am greatly intrigued. Love the idea of bringing all this knowledge together to make some sense of it. Seems this is a current trend on Avalon that I like very much. Lots of great contributors here too. I really want to be able to make sense of the bigger picture and am glad to see I am in such great company.

[PurpleLama]

I also see that from within the state of calm, confident apprehension of what is, veils dropped, there also comes a chemical shift within the body, as much as fear creates a chemical change within the body we associate with the coresponding forces of a hormonal nature, so to does the operation of faith change the chemical forces within the body, perhaps more subtly than our scientific understandings can reach. Such is born from the top down, incubated from the spirit, the direct connection that may be sought, stands in turn to effect us from the physical, through the emotional and mental, rejoining itself in the form of the subtle, or spiritual body.

Many of us speak to the importance of a calm mind, calm emotions, not panicing, but these are a state that engenders and is engendered by the subtle body, by our very own Self. I have made various references to the purple pill, and some see this as a matrix reference, as some middle path between the red and blue, but this is incorrect to the context I'm speaking to. It is seen as an inner knowing of "everything is ok", a knowing that brings healing and peace to me, and after many years of meditation and progressive magical research, this purple pill arrived through the medium of a dream. In and of itself, it is a profound emotional experience, an activity of the emotional body, and is the antidote to all of the adrenaline inducing animalistic emotions we so know and love. The best words I have to point to it, for another to grasp what I'm referring to, is as one seeks the internal sensations, those from the solar plexus down, one finds many myriad knots of emotional tension, little tight places each formed from ever excitable moment one has ever had, and I suspect from other experiences (lifetimes). As one seeks out these little knots within, and directs the mental energy to relax each of these, whether one is consciously seeing and clearing the underlying aspect/event, or whether one deals with it purely with the sensation of tightness, and likewise untying with the sensation of relaxation or release. One goes deeper and deeper into a dark place, a place of no conscious form, from there may spring this certainty that I refer to as the purple pill.

The energy of attention, I think, is an important topic, and the discerning of another's intent when this other "captures" our attention. A topic that might serve to derail this thread early on, yet is important to touch on once the groundwork here is laid a little further. IMO.

[spiritwind]

Posted by DNA (here)
You mention the emotional body quite a bit. The emotional body is always going to be involved in group settings because of the energy exchange taking place. This takes place on a medium even such as this with all of us being great distances from one another. I'm sure someone more adept could give a quantum physics lesson in why this is. The trick is in determining the agenda of those who would profess to offer their insights. Is it out of the true philanthropic desire to help others,,,, or is their payment in the quantum particles we call attention?

Not wanting to derail this thread in any way but just wanted to add a little aside to this idea of the emotional body. I may be wrong on this but I tend to think the emotional body is also related to the pain body that Eckhart Tolle talks about and that many people have an emotional body full of pain accumulated throughout their life as a response to challenging or traumatic experiences. They often don’t know this. I say this because of an experience I had with my daughter when she was about 15. I had her attend a program for a week that, among other things, led up to an exercise that allowed each of the participants let go/release their accumulated pain body, as in clear it out. It was quite the traumatic experience for her. But when she came back she was like an entirely different person. No more baggage (hers or anyone else’s she had accumulated) and I was in complete awe of her. No kidding. She just beamed on a whole new level I had not experienced from her before. She was confident and loving and no longer exuded such anger towards the world and self loathing (I think this is our natural un-tampered state). It didn’t last but I think the whole emotional issue is rather a big one and is part of the reason for some of the reactivity I occasionally see on the forum. Our society barely recognizes this issue but it causes so many problems and the current trend of drugging everyone who doesn’t feel life is just wonderful is actually part of the problem. Plus, in a roundabout way I also think it ties in to how we have been so easily manipulated as a species by these archonic forces. Sorry if I have gone off topic too much. Please, carry on folks.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Modwiz glad to see you are back in the 'White council' your looking more like Gandalph in your avatar photo ..LOL..

I've never been into the 'New Age' material and now I am myself reaching middle age ( wheres the years gone!)...

I am finding this whole 'meatsack' experiance more enlightening epecially the last 5 years, good thoughtfull thread

cheers from 'middle earth'........

[DNA]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
I think the dichotomy you are describing is between those who have done the work and those who are repeating the results of people who have done the work and think it is the same thing. Spiritual advancement is a solitary undertaking with gains being made through subtraction.

I do not see a dichotomy where there is a lack, unless there isn't.

Ignorance is reasonable without information. Willful ignorance is something that cannot be enabled and is best seen for the ballast it is.

Okay, how about this. For most folks spiritual information will do nothing until they have gone through the painfull route of self exploration. Removing and ecxising parental and societal planted false values. I ussually refer to this as an elongated stage of personal introspection, where one questions and pursues the answers to what is real and what is not real in terms of autonomy. Until this is done, spiritual truths and wisdoms are of little value.

Once folks do this, synchronicity can lead them to information in regards to where they are at in their devolopment. And by sychronicity I mean the spiritual administration of angelic social workers who are watching over you and out for you.

The reason I say this is because folks want to argue for and against creating their own reality. I absolutely agree we are creating our own realities, but there are depths to this few people want to acknowledge or take responcibility for.

[soleil]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
I think the dichotomy you are describing is between those who have done the work and those who are repeating the results of people who have done the work and think it is the same thing. Spiritual advancement is a solitary undertaking with gains being made through subtraction.

I do not see a dichotomy where there is a lack, unless there isn't.

Ignorance is reasonable without information. Willful ignorance is something that cannot be enabled and is best seen for the ballast it is.

Okay, how about this. For most folks spiritual information will do nothing until they have gone through the painfull route of self exploration. Removing and ecxising parental and societal planted false values. I ussually refer to this as an elongated stage of personal introspection, where one questions and pursues the answers to what is real and what is not real in terms of autonomy. Until this is done, spiritual truths and wisdoms are of little value.

Once folks do this, synchronicity can lead them to information in regards to where they are at in their devolopment. And by sychronicity I mean the spiritual administration of angelic social workers who are watching over you and out for you.

The reason I say this is because folks want to argue for and against creating their own reality. I absolutely agree we are creating our own realities, but there are depths to this few people want to acknowledge or take responcibility for.

dna, i want to add that this has been happening to me everyday. im long past being astounded by the syncronicity. i'm actually quite glad everytime, because i feel as though i am on the right track. and im pretty happy that i get days off if i will and request them.
modwiz, i am delving more and more into metaphysics in that my solitary journey wants to learn more.
where do i begin?
i have been looking online at mystery schools to find out what the course outline is, so that i can just do some learning on my own. i suppose this is where i can ask for assistance?

many thanks to you all - thank you modwiz for starting this thread. i have been working hard to be balance, without polarity. it was sure challenging during that time of pure hormones...

LOL

[9eagle9]

If the mind could grow, cultivate or have an ego imposed on them, then the emo body could create a pain body. Both are defense mechanisms that run out of control eventually. Unfortunately the ego starts a relationship with the pain body that is based mostly on sadism.

Posted by spiritwind (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
You mention the emotional body quite a bit. The emotional body is always going to be involved in group settings because of the energy exchange taking place. This takes place on a medium even such as this with all of us being great distances from one another. I'm sure someone more adept could give a quantum physics lesson in why this is. The trick is in determining the agenda of those who would profess to offer their insights. Is it out of the true philanthropic desire to help others,,,, or is their payment in the quantum particles we call attention?

Not wanting to derail this thread in any way but just wanted to add a little aside to this idea of the emotional body. I may be wrong on this but I tend to think the emotional body is also related to the pain body that Eckhart Tolle talks about and that many people have an emotional body full of pain accumulated throughout their life as a response to challenging or traumatic experiences. They often don’t know this. I say this because of an experience I had with my daughter when she was about 15. I had her attend a program for a week that, among other things, led up to an exercise that allowed each of the participants let go/release their accumulated pain body, as in clear it out. It was quite the traumatic experience for her. But when she came back she was like an entirely different person. No more baggage (hers or anyone else’s she had accumulated) and I was in complete awe of her. No kidding. She just beamed on a whole new level I had not experienced from her before. She was confident and loving and no longer exuded such anger towards the world and self loathing (I think this is our natural un-tampered state). It didn’t last but I think the whole emotional issue is rather a big one and is part of the reason for some of the reactivity I occasionally see on the forum. Our society barely recognizes this issue but it causes so many problems and the current trend of drugging everyone who doesn’t feel life is just wonderful is actually part of the problem. Plus, in a roundabout way I also think it ties in to how we have been so easily manipulated as a species by these archonic forces. Sorry if I have gone off topic too much. Please, carry on folks.

[9eagle9]

I would pick a discipline you are interested or drawn to. We are often drawn to cultural plumb bobbing, disciplines that come from our culture.

If you were to start with tarot which composites quite a lot towards the foundation of mystery school teachings as they are about the evolving archetypes we travel through on life's journey. Then you'd begin by studying the cards, the imagery, what planets and numbers they relate to and why. You will go through a lot of opinions and tarot books. . The mystery is actually inside of us.

Learn the correct ways to interpret their place, reversed, and their positive and negative aspects. People and their out of control emos tend to not look at reversed or negative aspects. One means clearing often times and negative only means deficient, not evil or dark.

Then you read for yourself. At this point these are not divination tools they are tools for self reflection. The problem is when people practice tarot they want to immediately skip over the self exploration aspects of divining the inner realms and read for other people. The first hundred readings should be of ones self to give an arbitrary number.

why am I doing this.
What is driving me.
What influences do I have
What work lies ahead of me.
What am I
Where is my purpose most strongly focused at

Tarot doesn't work optimally without sister or companion disciplines but one always starts somewhere. . No one has to become an expert or an adept, these are tools, with more practice adeptness comes. Practice makes perfection.

Posted by teradactyl (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
I think the dichotomy you are describing is between those who have done the work and those who are repeating the results of people who have done the work and think it is the same thing. Spiritual advancement is a solitary undertaking with gains being made through subtraction.

I do not see a dichotomy where there is a lack, unless there isn't.

Ignorance is reasonable without information. Willful ignorance is something that cannot be enabled and is best seen for the ballast it is.

Okay, how about this. For most folks spiritual information will do nothing until they have gone through the painfull route of self exploration. Removing and ecxising parental and societal planted false values. I ussually refer to this as an elongated stage of personal introspection, where one questions and pursues the answers to what is real and what is not real in terms of autonomy. Until this is done, spiritual truths and wisdoms are of little value.

Once folks do this, synchronicity can lead them to information in regards to where they are at in their devolopment. And by sychronicity I mean the spiritual administration of angelic social workers who are watching over you and out for you.

The reason I say this is because folks want to argue for and against creating their own reality. I absolutely agree we are creating our own realities, but there are depths to this few people want to acknowledge or take responcibility for.

dna, i want to add that this has been happening to me everyday. im long past being astounded by the syncronicity. i'm actually quite glad everytime, because i feel as though i am on the right track. and im pretty happy that i get days off if i will and request them.
modwiz, i am delving more and more into metaphysics in that my solitary journey wants to learn more.
where do i begin?
i have been looking online at mystery schools to find out what the course outline is, so that i can just do some learning on my own. i suppose this is where i can ask for assistance?

many thanks to you all - thank you modwiz for starting this thread. i have been working hard to be balance, without polarity. it was sure challenging during that time of pure hormones...

LOL

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Gekko (here)
Looking forward to the next post. Was thinking about this today. I'm listening.

Sexy hat.

And hair cut? Nice picture. Great thread.

[Carmody]

Posted by Anchor (here)
There are some interesting problems facing us with both physics and/or meta-physics:

1) We don't know everything because we have finite brains, finite processing capacity, in an infinite universe - the best we can do is tune in to a set of truth

2) No matter how hard we all try, we each have different understandings (meant in a literal sense)

3) Someone who thinks they know something, cannot always easily communicate it to someone else who they think does not - and they may not be correct anyway.

Thus there are gaps in understanding, ripe for some to exploit in the unwary - hence the saying that "knowledge is power".

In the midst of all this:

a) we all, in some degree or other, seek truth

b) we serve/love either ourselves or other-selves and the ratio between how much we do of each defines us and our future path

1) We don't know everything because we have finite brains, finite processing capacity, in an infinite universe - the best we can do is tune in to a set of truth

This is a hyper-critical point. Let me explain why.

Finite brain and perception. Infinite truth.

This combination means that to the finite brain and perception, that infinite truth can be found in any path.

It is the level of meandering that is up to the given individual, regarding the directions and episodes of that given path; which infinity as an idea on/in...the finite mind, says that this given path.. can change..at any time.

Organized matter, or energies, in the form of intelligence, requires differentials (energy, ie differences in state) at the most fundamental level, in order to 'be'. This inherently means that all shades of grey and black and white, all exist, they or it exists...to the finite organized energies that are calling themselves 'intelligence', or 'recognition of self', is a potentially better way to describe 'intelligence'. (this leads directly to the idea of one being a unit of perception within the mind-reality of 'god', which, from the finite viewpoint, is that of 'all' or infinity. since this is taken as an image from inside of a box, even that act or position can be and is self limiting)(this leads to my statement that (re-iterated) "judgement is a fool's game, it limits one to the lies to self that cascade from the self's past.... and are projected into the given future")

The LEVEL, or capacity in breadth and depth of the capacity to define self, ALSO forms the parameters of capacity to cognate within the matrix of energetics that can be encompassed by the given finite 'self'.

Thus, increasing self growth, also defines more area to search in, at the same time that the size of the search bites and the size of the strides.... increase.

Does the given one desire to 'get there' faster and/or more correctly? Increase the scope of the self. Simple enough.


Of course, Eagle was in my back yard this morning. If such a thing is questioned (what does that mean?), then I posit to the being, "Define reality". What is connection, what is formation, what is flow..if all..'is'?

If the being defines 'reality' they are defining borders. Borders of 'being', thus they form the boundaries that limit or hold the scope of reach. No matter how one expands or contracts, it is still a box, a limit. One might then consider limits with a sliding parameter, where limits can be changed, limits of the self boundary can be changed. Ergo and eg... Religion: by the act of enforced rigid definition, is a circular and self limiting exercise in defining a box, that reflects only back into itself. Humans so love their capacity to define. Methinks, perhaps...too much.

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As an aside: The logic is simple once it is defined, and cognated. That religion can be dismissed as a boxed limit, And clearly seen as such in as little as 5 or 10 sentences spoken on the subject of logic and perception....may illustrate that it's position in the realm of human existence..... may be at an end. that the relative capacity in the given average being on this forum is enlarged enough that their box is big enough to be larger than the box of religion and ..clearly see the borders and definitions of the box of religion. The next question being, of course...'if that is a box..then..what else is a box...?'-answer, even this limited view of 'god' remains a box)
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What creates limits in most human avatars? The emotional body. And it possesses only rudimentary intelligence, thus it might be considered to require a bit of concern and rumination upon what it may say or attempt to define as a limit.

And the hold on the doorway of perception in the human avatar realm can be slid to a fairly wide aperture and fairly complex and layered depth. (complex and layered, from the vantage point of the given box) This, via the means of addressing the emotional body so it relaxes and allows one to occupy the avatar with less restrictive motion and less restrictive perception.

To trigger the avatar to opening the perceptive base, instead of closing it, instead of pulling in perception. One of the easier ways to observe this in action, is in the realm of astral projection, at the onset of astral projection. In those moments, the body is informed, by the reflection of perception by the occupant of the avatar...that they have escaped the fleshly self. but the reflection remains, and this refection causes a fear response to occur in the emotional body....and then the being is snapped back into being in the avatar and no longer is astrally projected.

[Carmody]

PS, I'll write this down before I loose it. busy, busy, busy brain. Much gets lost, and then rediscovered 10 years yon.

I believe I've found the temporal sensitivity and how it propagates in "dreams."

Eric Dollard speaks on it, in his videos. It is the SECONDARY speed limit, the one ABOVE light speed (292,000 Miles per second). It is the pre-wave of and within linear time - unidirectional time. That this is found in the mind as a snapshot of a reversed image, from reversed time. Which is why the space is black, you see, the seen scope of the space, the bubble is small, one of being tuned to our perception. We repair (re-compute, reorganize, decipher or whatnot) this in the body components that convert imagery in the mind. All this can be changed via enlarging the given box of perception.

The pre wave of FTL wave applies to plasmas, it is an MHD characteristic of the complex field function of quantum structure.. understand that we, as solids, are the odd man out in the universe. 99% of the universe is not solid, it is plasma.

To clarify. I DO DIRECTLY know of a man who owned an high technology firm, and was it's primary inventive force. He had over 120 patents in the realm of telecommunication. He made working and finished systems for the telecommunications industry. He was a CORE developer of RF and microwave digital communications systems.

He made a finished and fully worked out engineered and manufacturable (all work was done, ready to be built, in all parameters, today, kinda thing)..communications system ..that worked at 300x the speed of light.

I can name the man. I can name the company, and it's location. I can also tell you that he died, of cancer, a short time later. I stress, personal story, not some remote bit of internet 'stories'. Remember my claim though, I can only prove something to people - once. Proof, in the existing environment, is very costly. We are being blocked.

Your clue, if you should choose to accept it..is an electronic technology item. One might say that nothing in the multi-dimensional realm of even quantum existence..exists ...without sidebands to the given peak.

[modwiz]

Posted by DNA (here)
The reason I say this is because folks want to argue for and against creating their own reality. I absolutely agree we are creating our own realities, but there are depths to this few people want to acknowledge or take responsibility for.

I am in full agreement with you here. I will refrain from stating why I think this abdication of personal responsibility takes place, because it is a personal one for each. However, become aware of the subtle bodies and their management and balance is sort of a primer for our reality creation.
Getting in charge of ones energetic state is required for any meaningful creation of ones own reality. We cast out, create, our reality in front of our selves as me move forward through time. Creating or recreating the past is also part of this. The recreation of the past is very helpful around emotional wounds. These wounds are the equivalent of physical wounds except the are in/on the emotional rather than physical body. The physcial body is bound in time and space in its' healing abilities. The emotional body is under no such limitations and can heal at the speed of desire. The desire to heal is paramount. The role of forgiveness in this process cannot be overstated. Especially where the wounding cause is no longer active/operative.

[Carmody]

Yes, our given body does not know any better. One has to forgive one's self and then love the body, love the self. Opening has to be enabled. Otherwise the circular closed pattern will remain.