Metaphysics:Where Science and Spirituality Meet

[modwiz]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
modwiz, i am delving more and more into metaphysics in that my solitary journey wants to learn more.
where do i begin?
i have been looking online at mystery schools to find out what the course outline is, so that i can just do some learning on my own. i suppose this is where i can ask for assistance?

many thanks to you all - thank you modwiz for starting this thread. i have been working hard to be balance, without polarity. it was sure challenging during that time of pure hormones...

LOL

9eagle has given you the deeper reply to your answer. I will answer the shorter question about the subtle anatomy. I say the shorter answer becuase once you have the basic layout of of the subtle anatomy ther is just the care a feeding of it after that. The divinatory/revelatory tools of tarot, numerology, astrology and tree of life are how you make the information of the subtle bodies dynamic and useful.

Some of the best books on this subject for me are no longer in print. They can be found used. The few New editions are in the hundreds of dollars. They are "Gem Elixirs and Vibrational Healing Vol1 and Vol.2 and Flower Essences and Vibrational Healing. These books address the subtle anatomy in some considerable depth because gem elixirs and flower essences address this part of our anatomy. The early chapters lay the groundwork so that the later information on gem elixirs and flower essences can be understood. These books are very metaphysical but not difficult reading. Amazon carries used versions of them.

[GloriousPoetry]

Excellent thread Modwiz. In 2004 I had a spiritual awakening that literally kicked my ass. It's from this spiritual experience that I have also concluded that spiritual advancement is a solitary undertaking, however I am grateful to be part of a community like Avalon where I can express my sincere and personal revelations. I have not written about this 2004 experience mainly because my linear intellect still can't fully wrap its mind around what happened in my body, or perhaps because words are too limited , or perhaps because I still have not reached the level of synthesis to express it , or perhaps because my ignorance of the energetic realms has not permitted me to move forward with this information. Therefore I intuitively wrote this poem for myself a while back.

In the center of this world where life exudes all of the secrets of its soul and where creation conceives all of the facets of its role, three overtures of an eminent nature redeem the demarcation of what becomes seen between the generation of physical formation and the regeneration of spiritual sensation.....

[CD7]

In the general population, the ones we are wont to remark about often, I can understand not knowing about emotional bodies. In a forum where UFO's, channeling, and conversations of dimensions and energies are regularly had, ignorance of the subtle anatomy and how it affects us is not OK. We have a situation where an opposing force with bad intent is a focus of many a conversation. The main warlocks amongst them are well versed in all of this. Does anyone think ignorance of the energetic realms they work in will help move our cause forward? They work where we live. Always at all times. They live to manipulate your emotional body, loosh or no loosh. (google loosh, it's right there).

Is there anyone among us who truly KNOWS wht goes on with our emotional bodies and how everything is operating underneath the surface?

Any education on such matters ive heard about emotional bodies were in NEW AGE books- philosophies...etc etc-- And yes i believe the new age is another dogma dressed in different 'religious' clothing...so wht real knowledge is there to offer or gain about emotional bodies/realms? To me-not much

HORMONES seems to be the biggest pain in the arse in respect to curt tailing--taming human emotions.....hormones in conjunction with other things i feel. To me, hormones, are not natural at all---So to me it seems to really break through the manipulations (from many arenas) would be to have an adept ability to alter/control ones bodies from a cellular level <-----------------this education would be difficult to find (or right under our nose?)---if it truly exists at all?

OR even better endoctrine system transformed for the physical aspect...dreams yes i know...dreams

[WhiteFeather]

Several years before my so called awakening moment i was deeply involved in religion. I guess this is where most of us all start im sure. The next step of my journey was New Age material. After going through much of this material the next stop was free spirituality. I believe I utilized New Age to slingshot my way from religion to free spirituality, I had a problem with the program that we were born with sin. As I Couldn't swallow that bitter pill with sugar or honey. It seems to me know that religion may have sort of trapped me, and The New Age material freed me and expanded my awareness/consciousness from this so called trap. So in response i have to give slight gratitude or credence to (some) of the New Age material. As For myself, It was a stepping stone much like religion was. New Age material seemed to catapult me into the multiverse thereby connecting spirit with the natural law of life. Today im starting to look at New Age differently since i have become more aware of its hidden deceptions like you have mentioned in your original posting. Im looking forward to exploring my next lesson whatever that may be. I agree, the new age stuff is becoming more and more deceptive and brainwashing it seems. Great thread Rad. As the train conductor shouts......... Next Stop, The Multiverse!!!

We are all from 1 tribe........

W.f.

[9eagle9]

One doesn't have to have a hundred percent certainy one just needs a basic understanding.

" New Age" didn't create the emotional body. I agree its BS is superficial bandaids.

If all the methods you have found are in new age slush books, look elsewhere.

Processing and self reflection are not BS, there's a variety of methods for clearing the inner landscape, that require self reflection and understand WHY its there.

Some work better for other people. It's hard, painful, and sometimes tedious work. Slushy stuff usually isn't.

Learning how one's psyche works is not new agey or bs, until the bs got hold of it. The integrity of the core values still remain out there.

[9eagle9]

Here's a non new agey approach.

Pick one thing in your life that keeps re-occuring. Usually unpleasant.

Frex, you constantly struggle with keeping a job, finances, etc.

You keep getting in relationships with seemingly the same person over and over again.

the same circumstances keep happening over and over again.

First realizing this and then pinpointing back to where that all start is initiating in self clearing process.

New Agey floof will say wave some sage around.

[PurpleLama]

HEY, I like waving sage around! It fun to add the element of risk of burning the house down when clearing out the nasty juju. Almost poetic, just ask Astrid. :D

[CD7]

Processing and self reflection are not BS, there's a variety of methods for clearing the inner landscape, that require self reflection and understand WHY its there.

Id say the best method for self reflection was LIFE, lol There's nothing like all the observations, patterns, symbols, noise tht let me know about all the BS hahahaha....

[Beren]

All depends from the starting point.
A soul one or body one.

If we start from body one, then all this is growing into Himalaya of possibilities of "how to"- usually overcome the body itself and move as freely as soul is.
Carmody ,the thing you wrote about this patented tech and its owner who dies very soon after that is a telling one. A telling one about the ultimate desire of body to overcome itself and be free as soul is.

Remember Tesla?

He did things that are centuries ahead this time and many other, still he is almost forgotten.
Which leads me to your thread which Modwiz linked here.
There is a force of angelic nature (spirit-sheer intelligent energy) which is meddling in our existence from the day one.
Which is injecting in our mind the thought of being inferior, weak.

Hence our fear and a desire to overcome weakness of body.

Truth is that this force since spiritual -can change shape and bend time and space in small way.
Problem is that we bought or swallowed its hook and bate.

But we`re not alone or left out.
That angelic force is but a caretaker who wants to usurp our place.

Why?

We are the original template, the soul spark of Source. And caretakers were created to leads us into growing up into Source or multiply Source in and out of eternity.
They got carried away (some of caretakers, like some kindergarten caretakers can abuse children).

Real power is in us.

And we go back to the beginning.
If we look from soul`s stance-we have all that we need. How,why,when???

We are of God-Source,hence we hold the flame imperishable that cannot ever be taken out and misused because we are never separated from God. Invisible links even for those Angelic forces (who cannot see all in their pride and ego fall).

Why Christ said to Love God with all your heart,soul,mind and strength?
It`s because to do this means actively be united with Source so nothing can affect you because you`re one with Source.

Heart-our core emotional universe
Soul-our essence
Mind-thought power
Strength-matter (body and all possibilities of physical strength)

Hence what should one soul do:

1.direct your will power towards Source-God (a choice)
2.this will generate the mind
3.engage the direction of your emotion center (heart) towards the prime emotion-Source.
4.this will generate the inner spark or flame to enlighten
5.essence or soul will turn its total attention towards its origin-Source-God
6.this will open up understanding of materiality of universe and our particular role
7.upon understanding the material or physical of ours - all is actively united with Source with this holy link.

Seven steps towards release from bondage.
When completed ,then we don`t need any technology in all realms and spheres.We are above all existing or possible tech in all times. We are aware that WE are Source-God and also we are unique individuals aswell- we are Christed.

Everything then happens by single thought. Stars are born by a single thought and there is no possible or existing technology to accomplish this in the existing universes (if they approach all their existence from body stance). NO ONE can do this...unless they ARE Source-God.

So again, Modwiz thanks for this great thread and all other folk too with awesome contributions.
It`s all a choice.
To trust the Angelic forces with various agendas (ones we discuss here pretending to be Archons or reps or grays or entities)...
or to trust God-Source of life and Love itself.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by christinedream7 (here)

In the general population, the ones we are wont to remark about often, I can understand not knowing about emotional bodies. In a forum where UFO's, channeling, and conversations of dimensions and energies are regularly had, ignorance of the subtle anatomy and how it affects us is not OK. We have a situation where an opposing force with bad intent is a focus of many a conversation. The main warlocks amongst them are well versed in all of this. Does anyone think ignorance of the energetic realms they work in will help move our cause forward? They work where we live. Always at all times. They live to manipulate your emotional body, loosh or no loosh. (google loosh, it's right there).

Is there anyone among us who truly KNOWS wht goes on with our emotional bodies and how everything is operating underneath the surface?

Any education on such matters ive heard about emotional bodies were in NEW AGE books- philosophies...etc etc-- And yes i believe the new age is another dogma dressed in different 'religious' clothing...so wht real knowledge is there to offer or gain about emotional bodies/realms? To me-not much

HORMONES seems to be the biggest pain in the arse in respect to curt tailing--taming human emotions.....hormones in conjunction with other things i feel. To me, hormones, are not natural at all---So to me it seems to really break through the manipulations (from many arenas) would be to have an adept ability to alter/control ones bodies from a cellular level <-----------------this education would be difficult to find (or right under our nose?)---if it truly exists at all?

OR even better endoctrine system transformed for the physical aspect...dreams yes i know...dreams

From a physics-based, scientific standpoint, the entire universe is energy.

Also, from a spirituality based, metaphysical standpoint, the entire universe is energy.

It's all connected, this isn't supposed to be some esoteric cliche. It really is all connected (each layer influences another and so on, it's a complex system but the concepts aren't all that complicated).

This energy is present in varying degrees and gradients of manifestation. Science breaks this up into the electromagnetic spectrum. I'd say it's safe to assume (uh oh) the gradient goes beyond gamma rays and radio waves. Those pillars were erected because of the shortcomings of our own scientific instruments of measurement.

Matter interacts with other matter based on their energetic structures. This basically corresponds to their properties of charge, magnetism, and geometry -- these are characteristics based on how the energy in that matter behaves. This is a very non-technical view, which I find it easier to be creative and exploratory when I'm not caged in by technicalities. Those come later. It's a conceptual thing.



The radicular cause of matter may be related to how energy (at an indistinct, fine, basal level) interacts with the very geometry of space. Here we have two important, rudimentary factors -- pure energy and the geometry of space.

If there is an alpha -- it would be pure energy, beyond any description of power or vibrancy. I'd imagine this is a well of energetic, simultaneous inhalation and exhalation. The very geometry of space interferes with this absolute energy upon it's release or radiation from it's point of origin. It becomes spread into a spectrum. Complex systems of interaction begin to take place. Matter begins to form. The intricacy continues to develop.

The laws of physics begin to manifest themselves -- these are just the inherent manner in which these systems interact. They don't follow rules. They just are.

Science has detected all that it's methods and gadgets will allow. It's gadgets are becoming more refined, and I think that's exciting.

Think of a speck of dust landing on your arm. You can't feel it, but it's there. The body's method of measuring physical sensations of pressure aren't nearly fine enough to detect something so subtle. Similarly, science has yet to fully uncover and explore any energy beyond the range of it's instruments. They have begun their journey of gaining understanding about the nature of the cosmos from a gross perspective. There are other scientists that have begun their journey of gaining understanding about the way of things from a subtle, refined vantage point. These are the ancient yogis, the seers, the shamans, and the modern wizards.

The question a lot of people have is how something so subtle can have any consequential effects on our materiality, and why should it matter?

To say that it is subtle isn't to imply that it's inconsequential. Gravity is the weakest of the fundamental forces of nature (according to how science has labelled and categorized them). Just look at it's effects! It is not a force we can physically see, we measure it indirectly through observing it's effects. It is in this way we know it is there.

[Side note: Our eyes aren't sensitive enough to directly observe many things, and maybe our perception isn't developed enough to observe many things we can't perceive with our eyes. This being the case, we can still observe it's effects (i.e. physical manifestations). To understand it and perceive it may require some practice, and a willingness to learn in order to know. Nullus in verba.]

Take atoms for example; they seem inconsequentially small, but that doesn't negate there importance on a larger scale.

Atoms are basal, and very important.

Similarly, regarding energy, it's subtlest aspects are basal -- or causal.

The system is structured in layers. I don't think it's hierarchical though. The interconnectedness of it all resembles more of a holarchy. The gradients are still there, but this isn't an "above and below" type of thing, it's more of a "zoom in, zoom out" type of deal -- like fractals.

Anything that matters has a field.

Atoms have fields.

Chemistry is based on how these fields interact.

Biology is based on chemistry.

Fields affect the body, emotions affect the fields.

Emotions are physiologically linked to chemicals. They can be viewed as carriers of an emotion.

Is the emotion in the carrier, or in the field?

Zooming in, on a rudimentary level, it boils down to how the energy is behaving.

Fields affect fields in varying degrees. The body produces a field, as do atoms, chemicals, thoughts, and emotions (at least the electrochemical aspect of them).

The very DNA in our bodies produce a field. Biology is just beginning to discover a whole system of communication with in the body based on extremely low frequencies (also, google biophotonics).

The concept of the subtle affecting the gross is akin to the concept of the butterfly effect.

From Wikipedia:

In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions, where a small change at one place in a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences to a later state. The name of the effect, coined by Edward Lorenz, is derived from the theoretical example of a hurricane's formation being contingent on whether or not a distant butterfly had flapped its wings several weeks before.

Although the butterfly effect may appear to be an esoteric and unlikely behavior, it is exhibited by very simple systems: for example, a ball placed at the crest of a hill may roll into any of several valleys depending on, among other things, slight differences in initial position.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

Tesla also claimed that he could do some very big things, by very small means.

Here is a summary of the story of his little mechanical oscillator.

Nikola Tesla revealed that an earthquake which drew police and ambulances to the region of his laboratory at 48 E. Houston St., New York, in 1898, was the result of a little machine he was experimenting with at the time which "you could put in your overcoat pocket."

The bewildered newspapermen pounced upon this as at least one thing they could understand and "the father of modern electricity" told what had happened as follows:

"I was experimenting with vibrations. I had one of my machines going and I wanted to see if I could get it in tune with the vibration of the building. I put it up notch after notch. There was a peculiar cracking sound.

"I asked my assistants where did the sound come from. They did not know. I put the machine up a few more notches. There was a louder cracking sound. I knew I was approaching the vibration of the steel building. I pushed the machine a little higher. "Suddenly all the heavy machinery in the place was flying around. I grabbed a hammer and broke the machine. The building would have been about our ears in another few minutes. Outside in the street there was pandemonium.

"The police and ambulances arrived. I told my assistants to say nothing. We told the police it must have been an earthquake. That's all they ever knew about it."

Some shrewd reporter asked Dr. Tesla at this point what he would need to destroy the Empire State Building and the doctor replied: "Vibration will do anything. It would only be necessary to step up the vibrations of the machine to fit the natural vibration of the building and the building would come crashing down. That's why soldiers break step crossing a bridge."

In another interview, he boasted that, "With this principle one could split the earth in half like an apple".

Source: http://www.rexresearch.com/teslamos/tmosc.htm

I love that story.

To answer your first question ---> No, I honestly have no idea, but that isn't to say that I don't have ideas!

This is a summary based on what I've read, and how I've made sense of it.

[CD7]

Why do we continue to hash over the same things? We keep parroting...rehashing...reshape info and spew it back out...but humanity at its core does not seem to go anywhere??? Our ideas and notions make no advance towards transformation/changes whtsoever?

Hummm major reflection just happened here.....wht am i to do if i feel like this now?...good god im not even in my eighties yet!!!

Everything just goes around and around-- its like realizing LIFE is a merry go round seemingly stuck in a vacuum!

Its difficult

[CD7]

Vivek i appreciate ur response from a scientific standpoint...and i know there are those who enjoy scientific inquiry/academics....

I have already gone through a phase of study through academics---however i have been turned off by it immensely....full of partial notions tht have no real bearing (aside from confusing us) on humanity when taken in their pieces and the study of us and our world is still IGNORANT to who and what we are---TRULY in all aspects

The blind leading the blind and setting up OUR standards before anything is really ever seen/known...............

[AwakeInADream]

I'm all for a more practical and intellectual approach to spirituality.
I had a dream that basically said 'You must get smarter! You must understand Carmody's post's! They are important!',

I have a few questions. I could be accused of being 'new agey' but really I am not, it's just that I feel(lol),
I mean I understand that 'Love' is the most powerful tool/weapon I have. In fact until I can get smarter,
it may be the only thing I do have going for myself.

Could it be that Love is not an emotion at all, and as such has nothing to do with the emotional body?
(maybe it's more of a force...)

Also. Is there a way that we can modify our perceptions of time by some experiment or exercise?

Modwiz, I remember you mentioned that you were doing research into rythem,
so I'm wondering if there might be just the right rythem at just the right tempo
that might have the effect of changing our perceptions of time.
When I listen to 'Dark Side of the Moon' for instance, I'm sure that time slows down a little...(in a good way I mean)

Great Thread Modwiz! Thank's too for providing links to other important threads.
We need to be more orginazized for 2013!(deliberate spelling error)
I'm ready for the fight, I just need the tools to fight with!

[Hervé]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Here's a non new agey approach.

Pick one thing in your life that keeps re-occuring. Usually unpleasant.

Frex, you constantly struggle with keeping a job, finances, etc.

You keep getting in relationships with seemingly the same person over and over again.

the same circumstances keep happening over and over again.

First realizing this and then pinpointing back to where that all start is initiating in self clearing process.

New Agey floof will say wave some sage around.

Totally workable and usually very succesful approach and one of the fastest in achieving "problem" resolutions.

In the same vein is the approach followed by Truman Cash and the best book that explains the mechanics of that approach is given in "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health" provided one has a partner one can trust to do it with. Also, it's best to find a copy of that book in editions from before the 80s. Used book stores should have plenty of them.

One just needs to translate "emotional" and "pain" bodies into compartments of the "mind" to pick one's way through semantics meanders. Especially when "emotional" and "pain" bodies get all mixed up when pains are due to flagrant injustices leading one into the "victim" frame of "mind."

[modwiz]

A quick clarification about the New Age. There were some early pioneers in what became the New Age. Like a corporation that starts out to just make good products that serve their customers with great integrity the New Age began with good intentions and great information that represented the uncloaking of old knowledge brought to light again. Many a good practice that is now common came from the New Age. Hippies burned incense to create atmosphere and cover other odors. Incense and sage are now more often used for energy management and clearing. I am referring to the New Age industry when I speak disparagingly. Medicine and doctors were once highly respected. Doctors were people of integrity. We live in a world where once a "brand" is created in any field the sharks come in for the kill. Profit becomes everything. A good idea that is making a living is corrupted into an industry designed for making a killing. The success and true value of the New Age was an early target. Not only was there plenty of money to be pulled out of peoples pockets, there was energy and control. New Age became a religion. What else needs to be said after that statement? So my condemnation of the New Age is of what it is. What is has become. Many of us are old enough to have begun the path before it became inherently corrupted.

I thought clarifying that point was important. Whitefeather made me think of that with his post.

[modwiz]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Here's a non new agey approach.

Pick one thing in your life that keeps re-occuring. Usually unpleasant.

Frex, you constantly struggle with keeping a job, finances, etc.

You keep getting in relationships with seemingly the same person over and over again.

the same circumstances keep happening over and over again.

First realizing this and then pinpointing back to where that all start is initiating in self clearing process.

New Agey floof will say wave some sage around.

Totally workable and usually very succesful approach and one of the fastest in achieving "problem" resolutions.

In the same vein is the approach followed by Truman Cash and the best book that explains the mechanics of that approach is given in "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health" provided one has a partner one can trust to do it with. Also, it's best to find a copy of that book in editions from before the 80s. Used book stores should have plenty of them.

One just needs to translate "emotional" and "pain" bodies into compartments of the "mind" to pick one's way through semantics meanders. Especially when "emotional" and "pain" bodies get all mixed up when pains are due to flagrant injustices leading one into the "victim" frame of "mind."

The engram, from Dianetics was where I began working on myself before the subtle anatomy was known to me. Understanding of the engram concept allows one to dig in and find "the crazy" LOL. Pain body is a subset, and contained, within the emotional body. The emotional body is just a part of our subtle anatomy. I cannot emphasize it importance enough. In an above post I speak to the coldness that is present in the absence of an emotional body or where one is atrophied. The pain body is an unsettled, energetic pathology of the emotional body. It represents unclosed wounds. I have spoken of the wound metaphor before and will again in my larger post coming a little later.

[AwakeInADream]

Modwiz, did you ever achieve what was termed 'revery' in the Dianetics book?
(I read that it was the engrams that stopped a person from achieving full clarity of vision and hence a perfect photographic memory)
Or did you unravel your engrams with the inner eye only?
(I could never get that 'revery' thing to work, but then maybe the inner eye will suffice...)

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Here's a non new agey approach.

Pick one thing in your life that keeps re-occuring. Usually unpleasant.

Frex, you constantly struggle with keeping a job, finances, etc.

You keep getting in relationships with seemingly the same person over and over again.

the same circumstances keep happening over and over again.

First realizing this and then pinpointing back to where that all start is initiating in self clearing process.

New Agey floof will say wave some sage around.

I will add this: correcting things requires what may be considered a psychological "shift" in the masses. As far as I see things, this is the only way, but the effects will be manifold. Thanks for the thread Modwiz.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Vivek (here)
From a physics-based, scientific standpoint, the entire universe is energy.

Also, from a spirituality based, metaphysical standpoint, the entire universe is energy.

It's all connected, this isn't supposed to be some esoteric cliche. It really is all connected (each layer influences another and so on, it's a complex system but the concepts aren't all that complicated).

[...]

The radicular cause of matter may be related to how energy (at an indistinct, fine, basal level) interacts with the very geometry of space. Here we have two important, rudimentary factors -- pure energy and the geometry of space [which may be torsional, or gyred].

[...]

Science has detected all that it's methods and gadgets will allow. It's gadgets are becoming more refined, and I think that's exciting.

Think of a speck of dust landing on your arm. You can't feel it, but it's there. The body's method of measuring physical sensations of pressure aren't nearly fine enough to detect something so subtle. Similarly, science has yet to fully uncover and explore any energy beyond the range of it's instruments. They have begun their journey of gaining understanding about the nature of the cosmos from a gross perspective. There are other scientists that have begun their journey of gaining understanding about the way of things from a subtle, refined vantage point. These are the ancient yogis, the seers, the shamans, and the modern wizards.

[...]

Anything that matters has a field.

Atoms have fields.

Chemistry is based on how these fields interact.

Biology is based on chemistry.

Fields affect the body, emotions affect the fields.

Emotions are physiologically linked to chemicals. They can be viewed as carriers of an emotion.

Is the emotion in the carrier, or in the field?

Zooming in, on a rudimentary level, it boils down to how the energy is behaving.

Fields affect fields in varying degrees. The body produces a field, as do atoms, chemicals, thoughts, and emotions (at least the electrochemical aspect of them).

I'm cross posting.



I feel like this video bears merit in this thread. I am currently working on a commentary for it which I will add to a post in another thread.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FvSOR0hvHrk

[There is overlapping dialogue around 9:30 to 11:00 minutes but it goes away.]

[CD7]

A quick clarification about the New Age. There were some early pioneers in what became the New Age. Like a corporation that starts out to just make good products that serve their customers with great integrity the New Age began with good intentions and great information that represented the uncloaking of old knowledge brought to light again. Many a good practice that is now common came from the New Age. Hippies burned incense to create atmosphere and cover other odors.

Glad u brought this up....it is true tht alot of different practices sprouted out of the "new age" movement tht had/have a great deal of benefit to the community...individual.