How to Break the Backs of Corporations

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Lost Soul (here)
Gerald Celente said it. Buy from the chains and be a slave of the chains. Buy local products produced locally. That's a start.

I totally agree but so often for so many nothing local is available.

[Arrowwind]

Ok, Dennis I will proceed.

What Im looking for now it a group of about 10 to 15 people to take on certain tasks to complitment the posting of this on the gov. page.

Im looking for folks to take on certain divisions of labor regarding puting up posts in stratigic places on the internet.

There are several categories.

Media Comment areas

Forums

Blogs

Facebook


Media comment areas should include comment areas on
CNN, MSNBC, Young Turks, Al Jezerra

Forums can include any forums you know. Acutally several people could do this.
I feel that we should have placement on at least 20 forums I would like to have a list of the forums where posts go up.
We dont want to be redundant and I think it might be of some benefit to watch reactions.
But the peittion is good and up and running for 30 days and requires 25,000 signatures to get to be read. In thirty days we may want to post to these forums and media sites once every couple of days to keep directing people to the gov site.
Facebook... this would include posting to all your friends, on your wall and to organizational groups that allow posting without befriending.
Acutally everyone can participate in this... if we each take on 5 to 10 sites each and we have maybe 5 people doing it could it possibly go viral?

I will work on the message for this part of the release over the next day or so. Im planning on the message to be uniform and to direct all readers to the gov. peitition site.

Im hoping we can get at least 15 or 20 people involved and they certainly dont have to be avelon people but I would like to know what their intent is.. even though name isnt necessary.

We need to think of a way to get Alex Jones involved. Does anyone have any other ideas?

So who is game? you can pm me.

[Dennis Leahy]

Just in case anyone thinks that the concept of slave labor being used to produce goods is hyperbole, check this out:

Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/woman-finds-note-from-chinese-labor-camp-prisoner-kmart-decorations

Dennis

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I know they really dont like it when you take your cash and close your account.

Why do people keep money in a bank anyway?

N

[steveofengland]

What a brilliant thread this is I would have thought more people would jump on this? Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a UK version of the reset button, I would have a go if I thought I was smart enough.
For this to work well it really needs to be a worldwide thing, look at this way; if you were a big corporation (pick any huge one) and your stake in the control of the government wwas severed and you no longer had any influence what would you do?
You would up sticks and move somewhere where you could still excert your will, power and influence.
where does that leave things? Good in one way as the big bad wolf has left the country, or bad in the respect that they are operating as before, buying politicians, building armies, financing wars.

An example of this recently, I was talking to someone who told me that a large car manufacturer that had built cars in the north of England (supporting 1000s of jobs) had an offer from the government of another country (Hungary I think?) whereby the factory would be built and paid for by government money, there would be no rent to pay and all the cheap labour they could use would be supplied, all they needed was training.

This is why it needs to be a worldwide thing, I hate to say it but it would take "a new world order" type thing?

Just my 2 cents / pence

[steveofengland]

Finding a corporation that is not "a bad guy" I've been looking into one here in the UK. The Co-operative group, which claims to be ethically correct and its shareholders "the people" are the ones who benefit.
Here is their charter of ethics as of 2011

Group Chief Executive Peter Marks said:
"Our ambition is to build a better society and this Plan will stimulate and reinforce the unique benefit of the consumer co-operative model.
“At a time when UK society is picking up the pieces from a recession exacerbated by corporate greed and speculation, we are seeking to show that there is another way. The plc model is not the only game in town. It is possible for business to embrace the efficiencies of the market economy and also the need for robust legislation to ensure that progress is sustainable and just.   
“Taken together, we believe the measures and pledges set out in our Ethical Plan raise the bar on corporate sustainability. Over the next 10 years working with our customers, members, suppliers, staff and communities we believe we really can make Britain even better.

Leading environmentalist Jonathon Porritt said:
“By launching this Ethical Plan, the Co-operative is taking corporate sustainability into a new era. Other businesses will now be seeking to benchmark themselves against this Plan”.
Harriet Lamb, Executive Director of the Fairtrade Foundation said:
“Always a pioneer of Fairtrade, The Co-operative’s commitment to ensuring that virtually all primary commodities that can be Fairtrade will be Fairtrade sets the bar anew for the corporate world.
”This commitment will be greeted by producers as a real lifeline in these tough economic times. This could herald a gear change for Fairtrade which chimes with the public mood and predictions that the public want to buy more Fairtrade in the future.”

In total there are 47 distinct targets within The Co-operative’s Ethical Plan, which will be reported on each year within The Group’s sustainability report, a globally recognised leader in terms of transparency, materiality and independent audit. 
Every year, the Plan will be considered within the Group’s democratic structures and renewed in parallel to the standard three year rolling business plan.
Key targets set out in the Plan include:
Democratic control and reward
Co-operative Group membership to grow to 20 million by 2020 and to be opened up to the under 16s as soon as legally possible
Dividend scheme to be amended to reward ethical consumerism
Ethical Finance

The Introduction of the world’s first ethically screened general insurance products, which will support over two million policies
Double financial support for renewable energy and energy efficiency projects from £400 million to £1 billion by 2013
Protecting the environment

Having reduced its own operational carbon emissions by 20% since 2006, the  target will now increase to 35% by 2017 – the most progressive of any major UK business
We will enhance our market leading pesticides policy further, and seek to ban chemicals such as endosulfan and paraquat
Leading biodiversity work in areas such as wood and fish to be matched with new targets on palm oil and soya
On top of the 15% weight reductions achieved in packaging, we will reduce the environmental impact by a further 10% by 2012 and increase carrier bag reduction target to 75% by 2013
The construction by 2012 of a head office that will set new standards in sustainable design, construction and operation in the UK
Building a fairer and better society
Co-operative enterprise will be more heavily supported through the investment of £11m by 2013 and the launch a new £20m international Co-operative Development Loan Fund
 
The Co-operative’s community investment, already amongst the most generous in the UK, will be expanded to include £5m a year to help tackle  poverty around our stores and branches
The Co-operative will spearhead a cultural shift in youth perception and opportunity through a £30m programme that will support an Apprenticeship Academy, a Green Schools programme and the creation of 200 Co-operative Schools by 2013   
Tackling Global Poverty
Going forward, if it can be Fairtrade, it will be Fairtrade. By 2013, some 90% of the primary commodities sourced from the developing world will be certified to Fairtrade standards

Furthermore, The Co-operative will develop a unique range of projects and initiatives that benefit producers and take us beyond Fairtrade 
Responsible retailing
Healthier Choice products will be no more expensive than standard equivalent lines and the nutritional content of Simply Value products will be at least as good as standard equivalent lines







So, are they a good corporation? There's a lot of carbon reduction talk and 2012 saw a new chief executive Euan Sutherland, who in the co-op's own words "is currently Group Chief Operating Officer, Kingfisher plc. Prior to that he was Chairman of B&Q and CEO of Kingfisher UK & Ireland. Mr Sutherland is also a non-executive director of The Co-operative Group’s Food Board, and a non-executive director of SuperGroup"

I've not researched much on this, just litterally the past couple of hours, but I have a feeling its all BS and that at the heart of it, its just spin. I'll keep digging on this.......

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by steveofengland (here)
What a brilliant thread this is I would have thought more people would jump on this? Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a UK version of the reset button, I would have a go if I thought I was smart enough.
For this to work well it really needs to be a worldwide thing, look at this way; if you were a big corporation (pick any huge one) and your stake in the control of the government wwas severed and you no longer had any influence what would you do?
You would up sticks and move somewhere where you could still excert your will, power and influence.
where does that leave things? Good in one way as the big bad wolf has left the country, or bad in the respect that they are operating as before, buying politicians, building armies, financing wars.

An example of this recently, I was talking to someone who told me that a large car manufacturer that had built cars in the north of England (supporting 1000s of jobs) had an offer from the government of another country (Hungary I think?) whereby the factory would be built and paid for by government money, there would be no rent to pay and all the cheap labour they could use would be supplied, all they needed was training.

This is why it needs to be a worldwide thing, I hate to say it but it would take "a new world order" type thing?

Just my 2 cents / pence

"Think globally, act locally..."

When I started researching, I realized pretty quickly that I had to pick a scope.
change myself
change my family
change my neighborhood
change my city
change my county
change my state
change my national region
change my nation
change my continent
change my planet

At the same time I am working on me, my family gets the benefit of those changes, as (to a lesser and lesser, but still meaningful extent) so does my neighborhood through my planet. I take the "be the change you want to see" quite literally.

There are some things that work well locally (some that require physical presence, and thus only work locally) such as a community gardening program. I get that, and I do that.

One thing that jumped out at me was the fact that there are a lot of activists who have been actively working on problems for decades, with no success whatsoever. A good example are US anti-war activists. US war/"defense" policy and practice is a national concern, handled at the federal level by the US government. It doesn't help if I make logical and passionate pleas in my city government, and it doesn't matter if a citizen of a foreign country reprimands the US government. The appropriate venue is the US Congress, and they (theoretically) listen to US citizens. So, even though I love my friends that hold up anti-war signs in my city so passing cars can honk horns in approval, and even though there is a group that is spending its activism energy getting city councils to vote on referenda to cut Pentagon spending, I know their efforts are not even mosquitoes to Godzilla. Nothing will come of their efforts - they do not understand scope.

In picking an appropriate scope, one has to be careful not to be:
a.) too narrow (for example, only work on myself, or only work on positively changing my local community), because I want to make the largest positive impact on my planet that I possibly can

b.) too wide (for example, try to make all of my efforts on a global scale) because almost none of us are able to directly affect things on a global scale, and our efforts could become rather meaningless, and our efforts feel futile - especially if done solo. I cannot put out a forest fire by myself with a bucket.

In my research, I kept coming to the conclusion that the largest scope I could affect, and the most important to affect, is at the national level. My nation happens to be the US because I was born here. As it turns out, at this time the US is the most ecologically destructive, most terroristic, most violent, most imperialistic, least compassionate nation on this planet. Almost all of this nefarious behavior emanates from the federal government. That portion of nefarious behavior that emanates from international bankers and mega-corporations is (largely) headquartered in the US (for protection.)

Although I do applaud the efforts of activists that have picked a local scope and are giving all of their energy to their local community, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't try to stop the nefarious activities of my federal government. I know my federal government cannot be "repaired"; they must be "replaced." This is a monumental task, and I cannot even imagine trying to take on any larger scope. Once this task is completed, the entire planet will shiver with delight, so, in a way, this task has many global ramifications.

I do highly recommend that some people take up the task of creating something like the Reset Button for the UK, Canada, Australia...Germany, France, Japan, Brazil, Italy, Russia, India... (probably impossible in China unless there is a revolution) You know your own country, your own national laws, your own legislature, your own voting laws and voting paradigm. It is unique to your country, and if you want the citizens of your country to control their own governance rather than be handed corporate-aligned candidates by International Banking and Corporate Elite or your Financial Elite that have gamed your system, you will need to create a movement something like the Reset Button.

Dennis

[steveofengland]

Dennis, your posts are always uplifting I have been posting links to The Reset Button to the occupy London Facebook page with a quick post about how we in the UK should try this too.


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I just wanted to add that MSM over here in the UK are hyping the "your not buying enough stuff" strategy.
It made headline news that the future of the British economy relies on us "consumers" continuing to plow every penny we have buying new "stuff"
Without that the outlook is bleak for "the highstreet"

They were banging on about how Christmas 2012 was disappointing for revenue, then showing us people pushing and shoving each other to get the new year "bargains" from selfridges.

It sickened me to watch those so well trained sheep, penned in and chased through to go and buy buy buy!

And all the time the news is, "if you don't buy stuff, you will all lose your jobs and have your houses repossessed!"
And "its not corporations fault, its yours for not buying stuff! Throw out your old stuf, you need new stuff!"

I listened to a program on BBC radio 2, wwhere they were discussing websites where people put their old stuff on to get rid of for free, one woman had furnished her house explaining she had saved over £70k in five years. And doing that has afforded her to travel the world and do volunteer work.

While someone else came on to say that because of sites like that, the economy will suffer!

The question is HOW do we wake up such people to get them to understand what the reset button can do?
I can explain things to work colleagues till I'm blue in the face, but they just won't have it. They love they're walmart

[steveofengland]

Looking into the only general strike there has been in the UK which didn't end well, its hard to imagine a high enough percent would get involved?
From here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1926_...general_strike

The 1926 British general strike organised by the TUC of 1.2 million miners which lasted for nine days and included transport strikers (which would be imperative in a general strike now) and brought the country to a halt.

Although the government had reached a kind of agreement some nine months before in response to a threat of general strike, which gave the sneaky government timme to prepare, and bring in acts that wold see the army and volunteers take over various roles.

Propaganda was huge part too in demoralising the strikers and making them "the bad guys"

Fast forward to a general strike now in the USA and I really do think they would use all the power they have to quickly dispense of "economic terrorists" which we would become known as. Once they have put a few into detention camps the many would submit and the cause would be lost I fear.

[donk]

I finally caved and read the OP, though not anything else, so forgive if this has been said:

They need our money.

This is the fundamental flaw, the thinking that needs to change for anything to change.

MONEY needs our faith in it to have value.

Corporations are thought-forms, another faith-based entity we give energy just bey believing in, not to mention feeding them HUMAN RESOURCES, to quote Ricky Watters "...for who? for what?"

As long as we accept the slavery that comes from the monetary "ownership society" we choose to live in (cuz "they" made it near impossible not to), we ain't "breaking any backs". corporations don't have backs...just "owners". And they ain't you. Though we were conditioned to protect and perpetuate them...

[gripreaper]

Here is a fairly good synopsis of the public trust and the private trust:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fp-mnivAPTM

Since we have voluntarily given all of our assets, and our labor and energy to the public trust, we are employees and subject to all the rules and regulations of the corporate entity. How can employees tell the corporation what to do?

Until we start acting as the creditors we are in the private trust, I'm not sure how we will compel the corporatocracy to change their ways, even if we get a mass movement going of aware and awake people, to attempt to change the bylaws (amend) the corporate charter. Employees do not have voting rights within a corporation, as the board of directors (grantors) decides how the corporation is to be run, and who the executors (trustees, president, congress, etc.) are to be is decided by the board of directors.

Until we OWN and take responsibility for who we are and how we have abdicated our sovereignty to the corporatocracy, petitioning this corporatocracy for redress of grievances on how they are running it, as an employee of the corporation, seems fallacious to me.

Although, within the context of living and breathing creditors who have control of the private trust, without abdicating it to the public trust, there is merit to the Reset Button. The context and structure of how the current trust is set up leaves no room for such redress.

Am I off base here?

[Arrowwind]

All I know is that Ecquador threw out the World Bank and other corporations.
Boliva threw out Bechtel and their "ownership" of water rights.
Then there is Ice Land.

Really, if enough people are behind it we can throw anyone out.
Remember, this petition at this point of time has the main purpose to awaken people further.

[Deega]

Thanks Arrowwind for the Tread, in searching the Web on the Tread subject, I came about the journalist Olbermann with a special presentation, ''Break the Banks, Bust the Trust!'', very interesting!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N2Ys2pYDEEs

All the best to you!

[Arrowwind]

Im watching the video gripreaper posted now. I knew a little of this stuff but this is helpful.
but in the end if we refuse to play the game as Ecquador is, as Ice Land did it all goes up in smoke
for it really is all only smoke and mirrors which we have bought into on a national scale.

Due to this trust type of stituation this is how Brazil forfieted half of the Amazon forest to pay the World Bank for debts.
They could have just told the world bank to piss up a tree.

[Arrowwind]

Hey, where is Keith Olbermann these days anyway? anyone have a current link?

[gripreaper]

Please understand Arrowwind, that I am not advocating lethargy or inaction. I am just trying to create a context from which to proceed.

As employees of the corporation, they don't hear us. Using other corporate structures as an example, employees banded together and formed unions, and these unions went on strike and their grievances were redressed within the structure of the corporation. For example, the hamsters got fluffier pillows, warmer blankets, and shining lights on their hamster wheels, but the corporate structure stayed the same.

Since the corporation cannot hear flesh and blood beings, there is no nexus between the private trust and the beneficiaries of the public trust, and we stand mute within the existing corporate structure. Sure, you can site examples of where other corporate countries have laid claim to the equitable title to certain assets, and have made inroads into how their equitable interest will be "possessed", but that did not change the legal title or the structure of the corporate trust.

This is an important distinction, as the implication is that we can go to congress (the corporate trustees) or that we get to choose who the trustees are, and get them to amend the constitution and add provisions for who gets to be the trustees, when if fact, there is no constitution, there is no congress, and there is no government. Only the corporate trust.

I'm certainly not against anything which helps to wake the people up, but let us also be mindful that rattling our sabres and shouting at the castle walls will only rearrange the location of the public debt instruments which we use and give power to, and does not shift or change the legal title or the bankruptcy provisions of the estate.

[Arrowwind]

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Posted by gripreaper (here)
I'm certainly not against anything which helps to wake the people up, but let us also be mindful that rattling our sabres and shouting at the castle walls will only rearrange the location of the public debt instruments which we use and give power to, and does not shift or change the legal title or the bankruptcy provisions of the estate.

Except in Ice Land and Ecquador.
why not us?

[Arrowwind]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I'm certainly not against anything which helps to wake the people up, but let us also be mindful that rattling our sabres and shouting at the castle walls will only rearrange the location of the public debt instruments which we use and give power to, and does not shift or change the legal title or the bankruptcy provisions of the estate.

Except in Ice Land and Ecquador.

I understand you are trying to show us what we are contending with. I have no illusions about how big they are and how immesed we are. Why should we allow international contracts to stop us? We just need to throw them all out... after all it is only a belief system... smoke and mirrors. You got yourself off the wheel. The whole nations could do it if, we, they wanted to.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Except in Ice Land and Ecuador.

Could you please provide links as to how Iceland and Ecuador defaulted on their debt to the global trust, how the people regained their sovereign status, how they dissolved the corporate trust, how they transferred legal title and merged it back with equitable title and back into the hands of the organic private trust of the people, and how these people operate in commerce internationally without being any part of the international centralized system of commerce of the global elite banksters.

I'd love to know how they did it so we can use this as an example here in the US.

[blufire]

Something that has helped me greatly in the past couple years to put topics as this thread in to a more ‘workable’ solution is to look hard and from every angle not only my personal views and desires but that of the ‘other’ side . . . . . and more importantly from the viewpoint of all others that would be involved.

So with the topic of the OP, breaking the backs of corporations, let’s say we could somehow magically take down and destroy all the major corporations that most seem to despise. Basically it seems to be any corporation that makes large amounts of money and have highly paid CEO’s.

So all the oil companies are poof gone and all corporations that then are in existence because they use oil by-products . . . anything made of plastic, automobiles, sources of heating or power for your home, all manufacturing, production of food (fuel, fertilizers chemicals on and on,

Monsanto poof gone . . . and so would be billions of tons of food that is shipped all over the world and especially to impoverished countries. As well as all products made from soy beans or corn . . . . read the label on all packages, there is soy or fructose corn by-products in nearly everything. People can hardly pay for their food as it is, if factory farming is eliminated without replacement farming then the price of food would be outrageous and only available to ultra rich.

All the high tech corporations poof gone. . . broken . . . . so are the computers, cell phones, fancy tv’s, music, games. More than this all the technology that is involved in the medical field, all the technology that keeps people alive or able to live better lives. . . . . on and on.

So when we narrow mindedly (imo) desire or wish something such as eliminating all corporations and subsidiaries, we fail to acknowledge exactly what that means to most of humanity. The absolute horrible consequences of desires that are not fully thought through.

I see these type threads pop-up quite often and more than the threads are whenever (what we call) the elite, tptb, controllers, cabal etc; discussed it is more often than not with vile hatred. This hatred serves no purpose other than to cause irrational knee jerk reactions and blind thought patterns.

Activism (imo) is rarely successful because of this very thing. Meaning, a lack of complete and thorough evaluation and understanding of the whole concept or reason for the way things are done or their existence.

So much energy and thought are put into how to eliminate ideals such as big corporations or the elite but little to no thought or energy are put into what to put in their place to either continue on with the things they provide or even if they should truly be eliminated.

A couple months back Cjay started this thread.
http://http://projectavalon.net/foru...pair-The-Earth

I respect and honor his endeavor in everyway and truly wish him great success. I am sure many feel I threw cold water on his project when I brought up the fact the Biochar is technology created by Monsanto and subsidiaries and Cjay even admitted that he was aware of this fact. But any discussion stopped there, because (I suppose) that most can’t even fathom why Monsanto would be behind this technology and the only discussion was that Monsanto was trying to ‘take over’ and squelch the further advancement of the Biochar Initiative. This is not true by the way, but I’m fairly certain that trying to expand on the truth of Monsanto’s involvement would be met with great resistance and outrage. So I don’t pursue.

Perhaps someday we can stop having knee jerk reactions and illogical proposals, but apparently it won’t be anytime soon.



P.S. I am not including Dennis’ Reset Button idea in my assessment. Largely because I first greatly respect Dennis and know he has given great thought and consideration to his philosophy and also because I have not read or studied his document.