Tap on, Tap off, the tapper.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
It was indeed Paul LaViolette. He anticipates that the superwave from a big explosion our galactic core would first arrive here as a gravity wave, followed perhaps a day later by the gamma (and other electromagnetic frequencies, aka light) burst.

He speculates that the December 26, 2004 Indonesian earthquake (magnitude 9.0) provided such an example of this, when a gamma ray burst hit earth about a day later. By this speculation, the quake itself was not caused by our earthly black ops guys blowing up nukes off the Indonesian island of Sumatra, but rather by a gravity wave that arrived ahead of the associated electromagnetic burst.

As a result of LaViolette's speculations on this, if two or more massive (9.0+) earthquakes happen at the same time on this planet, I am seriously considering

• Unplugging my main computer, disconnecting all wires from it, and going to one of my older, less valuable computers, and then
• Making a toilet paper, rice and beans run to my local big box store.

A major gamma ray burst, as might come a day or two later by his speculations, could do major damage to the electrical grid and electrical equipment. Equipment encased in metal with no wires attached would have a better chance of surviving undamaged. If even that equipment gets taken out, then I will share my rice and beans with my neighbors, cooked over an outdoor fire, and filter water from the nearby pond for us, using my Berkey water filter.

[Hervé]

Following Paul LaViolette hypothesis of attributing a difference in time between the arrival of a gravity disturbance and the arrival of a gamma ray burst, and from the point of view of my approach in the above debate, then gravity can be considered a special case of electromagnetism of highest known frequency and shortest wavelength and therefore fastest speed in any medium (or non-medium -- would make sense in an "electric"/electromagnetic plasma universe) followed by gamma rays, then X-rays and then the visible portion of the electromagnetic spectrum... QED!

Hence, although the difference in propagation speed is infinitesimally small from one end of the visible spectrum to the other end, the question "Which light" to take as the constant "C" for the speed of light, stands. Which means that, to be observable with, say, supernovas, the event would have to be recorded at super high speed similar to the speed needed to catch a bullet coming out of an apple...

On the other hand, and still following LaViolette's hypothesis, it makes me wonder if these blue-shift galaxies would turn green then yellow one day? Or if the red-shift ones would start emitting microwaves or radio waves?

On another tangent, LaViolette hypothesis lends credence to Laura Knight's "Cs" claim that "It's all gravity" meaning that all other electro-magnetic phenomena are derived from gravity... weird! But would give some explanations for all these electromagnetic anomalies accompanying some UFO activities.

All right, enough speculations for today!

[eaglespirit]

Hi Adam...Wishing You Well and Thank You Again!

Could an 'upgrade/customizing' of this run a 5000 watt portable generator?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GEUyhhMEs7U

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Following Paul LaViolette hypothesis of attributing a difference in time between the arrival of a gravity disturbance and the arrival of a gamma ray burst, and from the point of view of my approach in the above debate, then gravity can be considered a special case of electromagnetism of highest known frequency and shortest wavelength and therefore fastest speed in any medium (or non-medium -- would make sense in an "electric"/electromagnetic plasma universe) followed by gamma rays, then X-rays and then the visible portion of the electromagnetic spectrum... QED!

Well, gosh dang. The Grand Unified Theory of Everything which physicists have sought for a century ... born right before our eyes .

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
On another tangent, LaViolette hypothesis lends credence to Laura Knight's "Cs" claim that "It's all gravity"

If by "Laura Knight" you refer to Laura Knight Jadczyk, then ... let's just say I value the physics work of LaViolette more than that of Laura Knight Jadczyk .

[Gardener]

I have not finished reading this thread but I want to second what Sandy is saying here. I wish to include teser act in this as well even though he is not a moderator, but because he is assuming an arrogant stance which is not healthy for other posters in this and other threads.
We would all be forgiven if we wrongly thought that the pair of you Paul and Teser act are saboutaging the subject of FE deliberately.
Either way I will be watching.

Posted by sandy (here)
Hi Paul,

To be honest with you i do not like the way you are handling this thread and your sarcastic humor does nothing for you as a moderator and or a human being with compassion and empathy for your fellow human being.

I do not know Adam or have any concept of what he is attempting to inform us of but I check in with hopes one day someone will be able to decipher his knowledge into an everyday comprehension that the lay person can grasp, such as Dennis Suggested in his post. Until that time I see no need for put downs from anyone including Adam.

It will be sad if Adam has left for good because it will just be one more experience and example of intellectual bullying in my opinion and something not of value or befitting to such a wonderful forum as Avalon.

[Gardener]

Paul, you need to know that Laura's husband is a Physicist, his level of experience is such that he is one of the people who 'peer review' for publication. A lot of Laura's research is in collaboration with him and other high level theoretical and quantum physisists.
Please take care who you are putting in an inferior position to suit your own agenda.

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Following Paul LaViolette hypothesis of attributing a difference in time between the arrival of a gravity disturbance and the arrival of a gamma ray burst, and from the point of view of my approach in the above debate, then gravity can be considered a special case of electromagnetism of highest known frequency and shortest wavelength and therefore fastest speed in any medium (or non-medium -- would make sense in an "electric"/electromagnetic plasma universe) followed by gamma rays, then X-rays and then the visible portion of the electromagnetic spectrum... QED!

Well, gosh dang. The Grand Unified Theory of Everything which physicists have sought for a century ... born right before our eyes .

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
On another tangent, LaViolette hypothesis lends credence to Laura Knight's "Cs" claim that "It's all gravity"

If by "Laura Knight" you refer to Laura Knight Jadczyk, then ... let's just say I value the physics work of LaViolette more than that of Laura Knight Jadczyk .

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Gardener (here)
We would all be forgiven if we wrongly thought that the pair of you Paul and Teser act are sabotaging the subject of FE deliberately. Either way I will be watching.

I am confident that none of us currently participating here are deliberately sabotaging this thread, or the subject of free energy.

There is however a difference between discussing an important topic, and discussing it successfully.

Do keep watching ...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Gardener (here)
Paul, you need to know that Laura's husband is a Physicist, his level of experience is such that he is one of the people who 'peer review' for publication. A lot of Laura's research is in collaboration with him and other high level theoretical and quantum physicists. Please take care who you are putting in an inferior position to suit your own agenda.

I trust the physics work of LaViolette more highly, regardless of any "agenda" you might insinuate. That is not an unreasonable choice on my part.

[Tesseract]

Gardener, please lay your cards on the table with regard to your allegations that I am a saboteur; when you provide the relevant quotes I will respond to them point by point. Until then I will let the allegation hang.

Regarding my posts, I may write a loose comment on occasion, but the majority of the time I try to compose reasoned comments. I made a number of fair points in this thread, which I stand by entirely. Further, attempts at emotional extortion which are intended to force me into a form of self-censorship will not work. I am not afraid of unpopularity, I see no reason to line-dance with the rest of the room if I don’t like the music. The OP makes his own choices, his faithful followers in this thread far outnumbered his inquisitors and while I questioned what the OP wrote I did not take away his audience – leaving was his choice.

So, Gardener, I am going to keep posting here at Avalon. If I feel that utterly unsubstantiated claims are being made then I will inquire. I may even step it up a notch, because frankly I have been holding back.

[SnowyOwl]

Posted by Simonm (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Simonm (here)
Yet yourself and others are unable to prove what Adam claims to be fact and namecall / deride his inability to prove his theories. Neither side is able to prove to the great unwashed their respective "facts"

As I have asked Adam to prove to us his ideas, I also ask you and others of knowledge to do the same. Prove him wrong. Lets not allow ths thread to degenerate to a point it becomes locked. such a fascinating subject should not be allowed to degenerate to a ridiculous point of no return!!

The subject may be fascinating, but this thread has made no useful contribution to our understanding of the subject. Moreover I claim this is so not because we're too ignorant or close minded (or too well educated in and locked into conventional physics), but rather because 7redorbs has not learned a manner of presentation and discussion which supports shared gains in understanding.

Apparently you are confusing what 7redorbs has been doing with presenting theory, facts or experimental results in a manner amenable to discussion, agreement or refutation, and then berating others, myself in particular, for not engaging with him in such. He hasn't been doing so.

As with the infamous case of Russell's Teapot, 7redorbs has not provided enough coherent substance to be falsifiable, outside of the relatively non-controversial slams of conventional physics. Rather he's mixed (a) annoyance at our alleged closed mindedness, (b) various plausible observations of flaws in conventional physics (which flaws I don't dispute) and (c) claims to theory or experiment supporting a better physics, which he has not developed sufficiently to enable any useful discussion or understanding by others.

Unfortunately, despite expending considerable energy in an apparent effort to advance our shared understanding, 7redorbs has not been able to do so in his present manner of participating. This is unfortunate, as his energy, interest, and persistence in this important topic is obviously very substantial.

We do develop our ideas on this forum, in the context of other more productive threads.

which is why I have asked for both sides to prove their own theories, which NEITHER have done so far. Far from berating "sides" I am asking for both parties to post "proof" of their theories other than just "theories". Disprove one another. All I see from this thread is 7Redorbs providing data and then others haranguing him for being closed minded. Of the figures and data he has produced I see no counter argument, corroborated by further data dis-proving what 7Redorb provides initially.

Salutations Paul,

Paul, remember Galileo ''Event'', he had not the methodology to present his views accordingly to the accepted methodology of that time.

And I would like you to ponder on this post that I have made few years ago in the most authoritative and notorious Epidemiology site on the Web.

Despite the fact that the leader of the site whose alias was Revere in memory of Revere whom with his light of his lantern warned sovereignist of the english colony of US of the incoming of the British armada and soldiers, he was and his a sommity in his field having tought Epidemiology for decades at Boston University and has made quite a lot of Peer Reviews.

Was it because he was going old, (around 70yrs old) or maybe because his experiences has thought him to be humble and receptive despite of a different methodology ??? Still, he had always granth me the privilege to express myself as a Medicine Man and I think all Putative authority person should follow his example coz not doing so is condescendent, arrogant and frankly irrespectfull,

So here's the post
Snowy Owl November 22, 2009
http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasur...ermonette-179/
Snowy Owl Sunday Bells

Owl Train to Shaking Temples Station November 22nd, 2009

When I got out of the Owl Train,
With the usual Regional Express Journal under my arm,
Seeing this Station where I thought No Owls have gone before
The vision before me was astonishing...

Made of very old rocks, the Station seems to have been hit by many earthquakes Over and over trough Milleniums and not so long ago.

In fact there was an Earthquake few seconds after I put my Claws on its Ground
And a Huge one,
Of Course all Avians Fly up High Until the Earthquake was over

Carved in Rocks in many languages, some problably extinct, it is written;
All Authorities Dragging Minds Temples Are doomed by Transcendence

A Dove welcome me and invite me to a Hall,
He invite me with a soft sign of his Wings to Perch,
He then say;
Welcome to Shaking Temple Snowy Owl,
We haven’t seen one of you since around two Centuries And as your Ancestor told us, I will share with you what your Ancestor Oopik Told us to tell the next time a Snowy Owl comes here.

Hi Dear Descendant my name is Oopik
I came here at the end of the 1700′s
At the Time when the Religions Mind Magnets Swing into the hands of Sciences
As usual, Scientist will be speaking an unknown language by the People
Having in their Hands the Book of Temporal Truth,
Doctors and Scientists will become the Temporal Real Knower of Truth And,
as usual, they will affirm that they Know what is Good for People

I am sharing you what I have Witness from 1750 to 1850
That was the Time where People swing their Religions Progressively to Knowledge, And the motto Will probably be
Knowledge is Power

Dear descendant
As it was First described to me by the Pir of India,
And as He he Reiterated this trough Centuries Since the end of the 1500′s Century
He told me; 0opik,
Humanity Driving Force, Humanity Authority, Is on a Journey,
From Instinctive inclination to Political Civility,
Then via Transcendence Forces,
The Political imposed Behaviors, Swing from Politics submission to Religious inclination

Then Religious Authorities and People inclinations Via Transcendence
Religious Authority Swang to Science

The Shaking Khand got swing by earthquakes provoqued by Sciences
And if you are Here Descendant
It is because the Time arrived
That Sciences Authorities is swinging to the Intelligence of the Hearth
Via the Driving Force of Transcendance
Indeed Humanism transcend Sciences, Religious, Instincts
Humanism is now the rising Consciousness
Among the People With the Intelligence of One’s Hearth
Each and ones of Humans Will know Within,
what is Right and what is Wrong
And will act accordingly, discretely,
In Respect of Self and the Other
Despite the remainders of; Political, Religions and Sciences ruins
Called Eroding Enshrined Truths

A new Behaviour is now unfolding,
That Shall set Free Humanity From unnecessary deaths, fears, doubts and hesitations.

This is a new Leap for Mankind
Copyright Snowy Owl 2009 __________________

La vérité est en marche et rien ne l’arrêtera. [Emile Zola]

Re: Hints & Tips from Shamans & Medicine Men for Dec 22nd 2012

I wish to thank Revere at Effect Measure a sommity at Boston University teaching Epidemiology for many decades.

Despite his highly respected Medical Authority and Humanism he has always granth me the Freedom to express myself since 2004 as an Ojibwa Algonquin Medicine Men.

Revere is an Authentic Honorable Man and I Love him much.

Snowy

Revere is retired since about 2 years now

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Un pour Tous, Tous pour Un
One for All, All for One

Re: Hints & Tips from Shamans & Medicine Men for Dec 22nd 2012

I wish to thank Revere at Effect Measure a sommity at Boston University teaching Epidemiology for many decades.

Despite his highly respected Medical Authority and Humanism he has always granth me the Freedom to express myself since 2004 as an Ojibwa Algonquin Medicine Men.

Revere is an Authentic Honorable Man and I Love him much.

Snowy

Revere is retired since about 2 years now

Parent Post

Un pour Tous, Tous pour Un
One for All, All for One

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Tesseract (here)
... The OP makes his own choices, his faithful followers in this thread far outnumbered his inquisitors and while I questioned what the OP wrote I did not take away his audience – leaving was his choice.

...

C'm,on now, the term "faithful followers" is pejorative and demeaning.

Looking back over the thread, you won't actually find any faithful followers, but there are some folks that are interested to see if there is something of substance here, or not.

If you know a handful of extremely bright people, I'll bet at least one of them is scattered and poor at conveying ideas, but yet, you know they have some brilliance.

I'd say, at this point, that a couple of members have raised red flags high and waved them quite visibly - calling bullsh!t. This should be enough. Warning delivered. Let Adam try to express his thoughts - you can't save acolytes from worshipping a false deity (if that is the equivalent of what this is.) Adding more at this point is "piling on."

If anyone starts a cult or forms a suicide pact then step in again, but until then, give him a chance to fully present his material, and then (if so inclined) shine a light on untrue assertions.

Dennis

[SnowyOwl]

Posted by Flash (here)
I am going for one week, no internet access I think, but ski slopes yahou

So I will follow up when I am back,

Flash

If ever you come-up to Shaking Mount in Upper Laurentides, remember, when the speed reach a certain point everything seems to be shaking dont stay in that speed zone, go forward and you shall break the sounds wall amd deaf ears will hear ya. The first pilot reaching that shaking zone stayed there and their plane b roke apart until one decide to go faster and thus broke the sound wall. I shall watch ya since I reside beside the shaking mountain. No Fear, no temerity, enjoy

Snowy Owl

[Tesseract]

Dennis,

I didn't ask the OP to leave, nor did I try to covertly facilitate or instigate his departure. The OP does not need my permission to post more material in this thread or any other. No one here, including the OP and myself, needs an imprimatur from any other member to post what they wish.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by SnowyOwl (here)
Was it because he was going old, (around 70yrs old) or maybe because his experiences has thought him to be humble and receptive despite of a different methodology ??? Still, he had always granth me the privilege to express myself as a Medicine Man and I think all Putative authority person should follow his example coz not doing so is condescendent, arrogant and frankly irrespectfull,

Not all that is criticized is "a different methodology" worthy as such to be humbly received without criticism.

Not all criticism is condescendant, arrogant and disrespectful.

We have not denied 7redorbs the privilege to express himself here.

[mosquito]

Can we find a way to bring the 2 rapidly developing "sides" on this thread together ?

1) Adam - You clearly have a good deal to offer, but equally clearly are not exactly adept at presenting information, That IS NOT meant to be a criticism, just an observation. There are plenty of people in our world who are extremely intelligent, gifted, creative thinkers who are also lousy writers. As already suggested - find someone you can explain your work to who is then able to present your findings to the outside world in a coherent way, in a way that will stand up to the scrutiny of the critical, logical thinkers.

2) "Scientists" - Critical, logical thinking is necessary to sort the wheat from the chaff. But if we want the sum total of human knowledge to move forward, we need the ability to accept that what we studied at university n years ago might by now be questionable. Physics was violently shaken within a relatively short time frame, from the end of the 19th century to the years pre WWII. Decisions made at that time were no doubt made with a view to reaching a consensus, but there are obvious flaws in our understanding which, in my opinion, warrent far more than a little tweak here and there. Just as an illustration: about 15 years ago, I remember watching a documentary on the Hubble constant. Basically it was 60 minutes of the top scientists from the top universities all arguing that the value they'd derived for this constant was right, while everyone else was wrong. There are only 2 explanations for how this could possibly happen - firstly, the Hubble constant is in fact a variable; secondly, and far more likely, is that one of the parameters they were using in their calculations, which they assumed to be a constant, ISN'T. How often do we see his in science ? The (supposedly) greatest minds unable to make any progress because they're too busy defending their own position to notice the blindingly obvious.

Anyway ....... Can I invite ALL those concerned to sit round a metaphorical table, to put your credentials/experience/damaged egos to one side, and to work together in order to move forward constructively and cooperatively.

Thank you.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by mariposafe (here)
2) "Scientists" - Critical, logical thinking is necessary to sort the wheat from the chaff. But if we want the sum total of human knowledge to move forward, we need the ability to accept that what we studied at university n years ago might by now be questionable.

I like your advice to Adam, mariposafe, but I disagree with the premise (what I quote) to your second point. You're implying that some of us on this thread are unwilling to question what we studied at university years ago. That is simply not so.

[mosquito]

Sorry Paul, I'm not necessarily saying you or anyone else on this thread is unable to question what they've previously learned, it was meant to be more general, I've met plenty of people who profess to be "scientists" and whose beliefs remain firmly rooted in their education, however far back it may have been. From your other posts here, it's clear you do accept that our current knowledge base falls short.

[SnowyOwl]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by SnowyOwl (here)
Was it because he was going old, (around 70yrs old) or maybe because his experiences has thought him to be humble and receptive despite of a different methodology ??? Still, he had always granth me the privilege to express myself as a Medicine Man and I think all Putative authority person should follow his example coz not doing so is condescendent, arrogant and frankly irrespectfull,

Not all that is criticized is "a different methodology" worthy as such to be humbly received without criticism.

Not all criticism is condescendant, arrogant and disrespectful.

We have not denied 7redorbs the privilege to express himself here.

I agree with all the above Paul but you have to admit that you, dennis and teaseract knowcked on the same nail one after another, this can not be consider fair nor Fair Tribune expression. Please do not come on the admin problems of managing a thread I have been an administrator of few forum of wich two where Vanilla. Such convergence of conceptual opposition is indeed coercive bullying. If you are not objective enough to recognised this as a fact, I REALLY WONDER WTF I AM DOING HERE. Therefore please reread the coerced assault, if you still in Denial please say so Snowy Owl

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by SnowyOwl (here)
I agree with all the above Paul but you have to admit that you, dennis and teaseract knowcked on the same nail one after another, this can not be consider fair nor Fair Tribune expression. Please do not come on the admin problems of managing a thread I have been an administrator of few forum of wich two where Vanilla. Such convergence of conceptual opposition is indeed coercive bullying. If you are not objective enough to recognised this as a fact, I REALLY WONDER WTF I AM DOING HERE. Therefore please reread the coerced assault, if you still in Denial please say so Snowy Owl

I have just reviewed the last few pages of this thread.

I am still in denial that what you describe is what has been transpiring here .

[SnowyOwl]

To become truly great, one has to stand with people, not above them.

Charles de Montesquieu