The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[Deneon]

TraineeHuman,

I just want to let you know that I am still reading and thinking about your posts on a daily basis, even if I haven’t posted in a while. I sincerely thank you for your comments on my posts. The same goes for everybody else’s posts. I really enjoy reading about the experience of others. One member asked me to give an update, so here it is:

Nothing much has changed for me. I’ve been reading books, articles and forums to read about what is happening. I still feel the sensations in my feet and lower legs. They seem to be less intense, but as soon as I focus on them they grow stronger. I have tried to get in the state where my whole body has these energy waves through them a couple more times, but it seems more difficult. I feel the energy in my very fast, I feel the flutter in my heart area, but I have trouble moving the sensations through my whole body. Back when it first started it felt like a switch I could turn on and off. I have willingly not worked on meditation or OBE techniques for a while, because I had trouble sleeping every time that I did do them. But now I kind of wish I had kept at it because I feel like it is harder for me to get to that state. I’m confident I will get there with practice though. One thing I have noticed though, my dream recall has increased so so much. I haven’t even begun writing them down but I remember so many more dreams than before. Jake advised me to lie still when I first wake up and think about the dream. That trick really works! (Before all this I had almost no recall at all.)

The posts about grounding yourself really helped me. I feel like the exercises mentioned by WakyTweaky and TraineeHuman are really helping me. It might be just my imagination, but I don’t feel ’too full’ of energy flows after I do them. I have read about Kundalini awakening, but from the various descriptions I have read, I am pretty sure that’s not what happened to me. I was just in a trance state for the first time in my life, with energy flowing through me. The only thing that I find weird is that I keep feeling them, 24/7.

I’m sorry if I talk too much about energy. My goal is still to go out-of-body, so I think it’s still ok to post here. Please let me know if I should post this somewhere else. TraineeHuman, I believe it was you who posted somewhere on this thread (paraphrasing): Yu can think about it all you want, you can read about it, you can conceptualize it, but ultimately, you just have to do it. That’s what I intend to do. I will try every day and you will be the first to know when I have succeeded. (I say ’when’, not ’if’ )

[AwakeInADream]

I think most of you have seen this post of RMorgan's fascinating recent spontanius OBE experience, but I think it's worth linking to here for anyone that hasn't:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post612666

It brings a question to my mind.

As well as travelling through space during an OBE, can you also travel in time?

I mean, can you go back in time without it necessarily being a past life memory?
(or forward?)

[TraineeHuman]

OB reality looks very different from the physical world – except for the “earthbound” level of 4D where the experiencer consciously or unconsciously has their blinkers on against seeing, if not feeling, anything that doesn’t look “normal”, for which read “physical”. It seems to be the experience of all beginners and many post-beginners that their mind continually overlays pictures from the physical world, which it tries to cling to in spite of the reality being experienced.

I consider it’s totally important to strive to see more. There are a number of practical reasons for this (quite apart from reasons such as that truth is in itself very important and very valuable).

Several are to do with being able to handle our physical death the way we were meant to. If we can tune in even partly to what the dying process truly is in its essence, I happen to know for a fact we will have the most joyful and transcendent experience of our entire life, so to speak. There are two big downers that this wonderful experience was meant to overcome.

One is that of all the suffering we experience over the first day or two (or maybe three) after death, as a result of the life review. That review involves our experiencing all the suffering we knowingly or unknowingly caused anyone else at any point.

The second downer occurs if the individual has any negative beliefs regarding the afterlife. Although my mother was extremely psychic, she believed there was no survival after death, in apparent strong contradiction to some phenomena she had vividly and clearly experienced. As a result she had a very uncomfortable time for over two weeks after her death. Some individuals will subconsciously believe in an eternal hell, or a purgatory, and that they deserve to go there. So, they will create that out of thin air, or co-create it with like-minded others, and spend a period in pure masochism, until they wake up to it.

Another practical reason is the benefit that comes if we manage to even glimpse what a wonderful, joyous thing OB reality is like even at the level (right at the middle level of 4D) where everybody initially goes at death. Firstly, this should be more than enough to get rid of any fear or depression regarding death, or its imminent approach. Secondly, it will make the OB world not something totally strange or hard to understand. As the Tibetans say, try to learn to meditate or OB travel. Even if you’re very bad at learning and you don’t get past the beginner stage, you’ll still have a very easy death compared to others.

I’ll continue in my next post. I’ll also comment on some recent posts in the next few days.

[TraineeHuman]

Another point regarding easy death. Until we die, a great deal of our mind and energy is devoted just to keeping the body alive and healthy – keeping the lungs breathing, the heart beating, the digestive system going through its processes, and so on. All this takes up much of our mind-energy and our subconscious attention. At death, that mind-energy and attention are freed. That’s why many – most -- individuals see many things in the OB worlds quite clearly after death. It’s also one major reason why we struggle so much to see those things while we still possess a physical body.

Another reason why I consider it’s very advantageous for us all to get even glimpses of real OB reality is in answer to a certain question. That question is, what do we gain out of going to the lengths of incarnating in a body – given that after death we just reflect on it all OB anyway? I’m sure the answer has something to do with getting greater understanding when we can see and internalize the contrast between the physical world and the OB world more clearly. The answer also has something to do with moving ourselves closer to reintegration of the unconscious/conscious split. If we can see our experiences in this world from the point of view of that world as well as of this one, well… it makes things easier for many of whatever the reasons are that we choose to incarnate in this world in the first place.

In post #200 I mentioned that some of my OB experiences have had some resemblance to a sequence in 2001: A Space Odyssey that some claimed resembled some peoples’ LSD experiences. But I don’t advocate drugs of any kind because that would be interfering in an unnatural way. For example, I understand that the suicide rate for LSD users even today is over 2% within some months of having taken LSD. Presumably, life in this vale of tears is too depressing for such people, having seen some kind of glimpse of an alternative, higher-level world.

I suspect that the reason why astral travel is so hard to learn and often takes a long time to grasp is kind of similar. What I mean is, people need to make themselves ready in an integrated way to handle the broadened experience of reality that OB experiences can bring. Namely, it means one has substantially deepened and broadened one’s awareness to reach the level required. Equally, though, I believe that’s one reason why learning to OB travel reliably can be such a valuable thing

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Deneon (here)
... I have tried to get in the state where my whole body has these energy waves through them a couple more times, but it seems more difficult. I feel the energy in my very fast, I feel the flutter in my heart area, but I have trouble moving the sensations through my whole body. Back when it first started it felt like a switch I could turn on and off.

As any individual becomes accustomed to having a certain ability or skill, they either no longer notice they are using it, or else they no longer feel so different when they use it, like they did initially. This is because the ability or skill is no longer new, and has become to some degree second nature.

I have willingly not worked on meditation or OBE techniques for a while, because I had trouble sleeping every time that I did do them. But now I kind of wish I had kept at it because I feel like it is harder for me to get to that state.

Ditto.

... I’m confident I will get there with practice though. One thing I have noticed though, my dream recall has increased so so much. I haven’t even begun writing them down but I remember so many more dreams than before. Jake advised me to lie still when I first wake up and think about the dream. That trick really works! (Before all this I had almost no recall at all.)

Still sounding like you're a natural to me.
Admittedly, for me a remembered dream wasn't necessarily an OBE at all unless most of the scenery in it was different from normal physical world scenery. Everybody has dreams. Everybody can remember at least some details of their last dream at the time they wake up. Still, the more details even of just the last dream that a person can remember, the more control and understanding they're starting to gain of something related to the OB worlds. So, it's all good. And your ability to remember without even needing to write anything down is unusual, in a very good way.

... I have read about Kundalini awakening, but from the various descriptions I have read, I am pretty sure that’s not what happened to me.

Unfortunately, the whole topic of kundalini has been enormously mythologised, and its importance has been considerably exaggerated. (Think of certain phenomena in Christianity, and you'll probably get the idea. In Hinduism, kundalini is made into the holiest of holies.) In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in India, if a person experienced a kundalini awakening even once, they would immediately be revered as a guru for the rest of their lives. For this reason, in India anybody who ever had a kundalini awakening would make a huge deal of it, and would exaggerate what they experienced. That's not to deny that it's always a life-changing psychological breakthrough.

Actually, the less emotional/psychological baggage an individual is carrying, the more quiet and subtle a kundalini awakening experience will be. Also, it makes a huge difference if the individual is properly grounded at the beginning. In that case the energy begins from half a meter or so below the person's feet, and it lingers there for at least minutes or longer. While it does, it gets greatly purified and made more subtle by the crystalline Earth energies. I know, because, I have to confess, I can sometimes induce such an experience in some people who are ready and who have already done lots of work on their spiritual growth. I watch the energy as it moves up their body, and I work to help it get unstuck when it stops at certain points, until it has moved to the oversoul chakra above the head. I watch the energy all the way.

I happen to speak Lithuanian, which is an older language than Sanskrit, and closely similar to it. In Lithuanian, "kun" is the root of the word for "body", while "dalin" is the root of the word for "allocate". So, from my knowledge of Lithuanian (and also because every other time I've translated a spiritual phrase from Sanskrit to Lithuanian the meaning in the two languages has been precisely identical), kundalini energy is simply the energy allocated to the body. In other words, it's the energy that the body was meant to have activated and working within it. So, I believe the root meaning of the word is that the kundalini energy is the (liberated) life-energy. That also ties in with my own experience. It's really all just life-energy, but flowing fully.

I was just in a trance state for the first time in my life, with energy flowing through me. The only thing that I find weird is that I keep feeling them, 24/7.

Where you use the word "trance", I would prefer to use a word like "spirit" or "the real you". You get used to it. That it's the real you, I mean. And with time you get used to the idea that Fred Nurk isn't the real you at all.

... You can think about it all you want, you can read about it, you can conceptualize it, but ultimately, you just have to do it. That’s what I intend to do. I will try every day ...

It won't happen overnight, but it will happen. It takes considerable time, even for highly motivated and capable individuals. It's really a type of rebirth, into a more expanded version of the world, as I see it. It's great to hear that you'll work on it every day, Deneon, and that you're not discouraged. You're doing great so far anyway.

[Eram]

Thank you for yout interpretations TraineeHuman.

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
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I tried to learn going astral from about June till half October and then stopped with a sort of astral burn out.
I tried too hard and found out that I lost the will to do it in the process.

Now I am slowly building up again...

I began dreaming of swimming in the ocean. I realised that I could not see the shore and I panicked a little bit.
...
For as long as 20 yeas also, I have dreams about flying in air planes which are about to crash down, or I dream about being in a neighbourhood where planes start crashing down.
I had lots and lots of those dreams when I started to learn to go astral.
After such a dream, I wake up, feeling very connected with my emotions, feelings and loved ones.
It seems that these dreams are about grounding wouldn't you say?
And that my attempts to go astral are leading my to more of these dreams, because I need to get more grounded in order to master this astral thing.

Hi again, Wakytweaky. As far as I understand, dreaming of a plane that you are in, or that is yours, crashing means making a plane wreck of your life. Fortunately, your dreams have been about planes which are about to crash down but actually never do. That suggests to me that for 20 years you've had fears that you might be making a plane crash of your life, but it seems this has never happened, so far. Well, apart from when you had the dream that you swam so far out you nearly drowned.

What I also get is that recently, after 20 years, you're overcoming your fear of making a disaster of your life. I take it you had at least one parent who had very high standards and expected -- or should I say almost kind of demanded? -- that you meet those standards of success and achievement. Anyway, your dreams suggest you've been making a major breakthrough on overcoming fear in general. That's impressive, and congratulations. I don't know if grounding yourself necessarily had so much to do with it, or not on its own.

It's certainly true that for the past 20 years and maybe all my life, I was afraid to 'step' into my life and live it fully as in, standing in my power with my vulnerabilities exposed. This has changed considerable during the past year.

What I don't get though, is that in the days after such a dream... I feel so connected with my life, which would imply to me that these dreams about plane crashing s have some sort of healing quality in them also. That would also explain why these dreams appeared several times when I started to train for OBE's last June, like this being more grounded or connected was a necessary step to get to the point where OBE's where possible.

My father is certainly someone who had and has high standards in the spiritual field and professional field.
I take it that you saw the cord that it stuck into my back?
funny thing is, that the same day that I read your reply, I went to do an OB exercise and after some time I could feel that there was something going to happen.
Then the phone rang and I had to quit what I was doing.
It was my dad and in that conversation he started to explain about al the talents that he sees in me (which he does often).
The problem with my dad is... He isn't aware of his expectations toward me. He convinced himself that they are not there, where in fact... he just suppressed them real hard, like he does with so many things. This makes it difficult for me to see through them and talk with him about it.

Yes, there is and has been a major breakthrough in my attitude toward life and dealing with my fears, which seem to cease to exist when one just steps into them and over them.

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
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The other night I tried to go astral and I felt like some people explain when on LSD (I never tried). There was a great sense of speed and there where lots of colours, shapes and forms. I was aware of the 3D body, so I don't know how to interpret this exactly. It felt nice though.

At the very least you were travelling fast and with confidence, and in a higher D than the fourth.

For as long as 20 years minimum, I dream a good percentage of my dreams being in a house. Mostly my house, or my grandparents. But it is always a house that feels like I am staying there, not as a guest, but as a resident.
There are 2 things that are always present in those dreams.
1) In the course of the dream, I discover new rooms that I wasn't aware of. This always feels kind of exciting and in the dream I start planning how to make use of the extra space.
2) There are always people intruding in my private space in those dreams.
-rooms that suddenly connect to rooms of neighbours that walk in freely
-people that just barge in my house with an attitude that they have every right to do so, leaving me unsure what my rights are.
-rooms that where mine before in the dream, now suddenly belong to someone else, who made claim with furniture etc. of his.

You keep discovering new "rooms" in your mind. Great. You keep expanding your horizons, and you never lose your curiosity.
People just barge into your house, without respecting you. I think your dreams are saying you're too nice or polite a person. Sometimes you should probably be more willing to be tough. But they've been saying that for 20 years, and still you've evidently stayed too nice at times.

The part where you explain about people bargin in and that it is a representation of my 'over' politeness... this makes perfect sense to me and I'll take this as a reminder for the future. I made some changes here in the recent months already, but there is work to be done still.
I'm a Libra and my survival technique from childhood on, was to make people like me. This learned skill has enabled me to always know what people want and what would tick them off, which can be of great help when used in a constructive way, but it has indeed also disabled me to be firm about my boundaries, because being firm about it would create situations where people might get upset with me (that has been my fear anyway).
I know this and I also know how to step into the 'me' that is firm, but I don't do it often enough yet.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
What I don't get though, is that in the days after such a dream... I feel so connected with my life, which would imply to me that these dreams about plane crashing s have some sort of healing quality in them also. That would also explain why these dreams appeared several times when I started to train for OBE's last June, like this being more grounded or connected was a necessary step to get to the point where OBE's where possible.
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Yes, there is and has been a major breakthrough in my attitude toward life and dealing with my fears, which seem to cease to exist when one just steps into them and over them. …

Because OB experiences usually integrate a person more, it doesn't surprise me that they help you feel more connected with your life -- or, as I might put it, with the real you, which is after all the OB you.

I'm also impressed that you'e willing to simply accept the things your HS was saying in the above dreams. Critical thinking is good, but in my understanding your dreams are always about whatever you don't want to accept about yourself. So it's not a matter of criticising that message from one's own HS, but humbly accepting it. Which you have done.

Dreams also have a wish-fulfilment side to them, and a psychodrama side. By "psychodrama" I just mean acting out possible scenarios, such as what is the worst that might happen if you faced your fears.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
As well as travelling through space during an OBE, can you also travel in time?

I mean, can you go back in time without it necessarily being a past life memory?
(or forward?)

Yes, to both questions.

I’ve had some experience of time-travel OB, but certainly haven’t learnt how to control it, except half by accident, and only on rare occasions.

What I have learnt to control, however, is the ability to see how anyone will look in the future, or has looked in the past.

I’m afraid it seems to take loads of practice – and probably, prior to such practice, loads of release of stuck emotions/attitudes plus deep meditation -- before I’d expect you can control anything like this. But I have had plenty of practice of using this ability while conducting counselling or psychotherapy. When I work with someone, I like to look at their best possible self. Everybody has a particular face and mindset and inner energy that is precisely the best possible person they could be right now. (I guess their spirit has it, even though the person doesn’t consciously know about it.) I keep looking at that, partly because they then start turning their attention to working to become the best possible them, even though they don’t consciously realize why.

Getting back to your questions, AIAD, you’re talking about space and time as physical concepts, and, as I read you, apparently pretty much only in the very narrow ways that physicists know them. As I’ve been emphasizing, though, the 4D world and higher worlds are not physical, strictly speaking. Instead, what you have in the 4D and 5D worlds is pictures of the physical. Though you do admittedly have capabilities from there to affect the physical world and to find information from it.

In addition to the reasons I’ve mentioned in some of my last few posts, I do have some further motives for wanting to shoo astral travelers away from focusing on what’s closest to or most similar to the physical world. One of the biggest of these additional motives can be described as follows.

If you concentrate on the physical world when you’re in 4D, you’ll immediately sink to the lowest levels of 4D, where you may also find many earthbound spirits – dead people many of whom were alcoholics or drug addicts, and who refuse to believe there is any reality beyond the pictures of the physical world that they see in this part of 4D. The problem is, there in the depths of the lower astral you are potentially in danger of meeting the nasties and, indeed, being deceived by the nasties. If you’re really psychically protecting yourself throughout as I’ve described earlier in this thread, you won’t be in danger at all. But still, it’s not a good place to go exploring. It’s a very rough neighborhood.

In fact, it’s the roughest neighborhood of all. It’s even worse than the worst neighborhoods anywhere in the physical world. You absolutely don’t want to be a stranger there wandering around at night, even if you are equipped with proper protection. And the nasty beings always put on a very attractive and clever mask, which is what you initially see. Why would you risk trying to talk to any of the locals in that neighborhood? Why run the risk of being influenced in a way that could get you trapped after you’ve returned into your physical body – because some of the nasties are masterful con artists. As I’ve mentioned, when people die they initially come in at the exact middle levels of 4D, which are far more (relatively) pleasant.

By the way, even if in 4D you unfortunately do try only to see things from 3D, one example of how they’re different is that if you look carefully enough, you’ll notice they’re always fuzzy-edged.

I believe Leonardo da Vinci was an extraordinarily enlightened being. One way his paintings were different from any other painter before the late nineteenth century was that he painted surfaces as fuzzy-edged. Particularly the important surfaces, such as that there was no line where Mona Lisa’s nose ended, nor her cheek or eye or mouth. Da Vinci used many different shades of dark and light, whereas all the others used pretty much two shades and that was it. He also used many layers of paint and relied on the refraction of light to create the fuzzy-edgedness. He also delighted in making his paintings as ambiguous and unresolved as possible – which is heading in the direction of the formlessness of 6D, even though he certainly wasn’t an abstract expressionist. I guess the Mona Lisa is the most famous painting in the world. But that’s probably because da Vinci left Italy for good with it and didn’t give it to the customer who had commissioned it. As a result he kept working on it longer than with any of his other paintings. But in a nutshell, its appeal could be described as coming from the fact that it presents 4D and even 6D features to the painting’s observer. And deep inside everyone there is some kind of knowledge that they are ultimately a being from some higher dimension.

[AwakeInADream]

I love Leonardo! He practiced 'wall gazing' rather like looking at the clouds to see what pictures would appear,
and he kept the 'Mona Lisa' with him at all times. I suspect that he had a spiritual connection to the work and that perhaps
the face was channeled(a Goddess?), the blurred edges maybe creating the illusion that she was alive and in motion perhaps even speaking to him.
I bet he had many ways and means of communicating with his higher self.

I think that artists have a slight advantage in this respect because of their ability to tap into the mysterious realm of inspiration.
I find my self, when I paint that sometimes I go into a light trance and that the brush strokes seem to place themselves.
I think Picasso once said 'I don't seek, I find', which I think is describing a similar process, that the artists inspiration is really the higher self coming through.

[AuCo]

Please, anyone doing OBE lately notice a total evacuation of any places in the nearby realm?

Also, if anyone share the following experience:
I, from time to time would do surface skimming, in the dream that is. And that would tell me that I was dreaming. But once and only, in this physical 3D, I was doing it fast backward about 7 feet and landed softly like a feather.

[TraineeHuman]

“The nearby realm” hasn’t been totally evacuated, but there was certainly some kind of gigantic cleanup “above us” around the second half of December, Au Co. So yes, I suppose I’d say quite a few of the inhabitants of the lower astral seem to have been moved out. But not the demonic (human) demigods, as far as I can tell. When I ask my intuition, it says they’re still in prison there. My intuition may be wrong, but I’m not going to visit the prison to check whether or not it’s right. I just don’t have anything to do with them. (As far as I’m aware they were put into prison there around three thousand to six thousand years ago – some earlier than others. And almost the only way they can have any effect on us is through someone performing black magic rituals, primarily.) If anybody knows otherwise from their own direct experience (not through “channeling”), we’d all love to hear from you.

You implicitly raise the very broad question of whether there is any substance to the claim that humankind or whoever was going to “ascend”, probably around late December last year, or starting from that time. Many of the accounts of what “ascension” means are of course not credible to any sensible person who accepts metaphysical phenomena. At least, they’re not credible until there’s a level of evidence for them which so far seems to be fully lacking.

Unfortunately, I have my own reasons for not letting go of the “ascension of mankind” notion, however repugnant it seems to my reason at present. Let me explain. Around ten years ago I had some communications with a being whom – believe it or not -- I consider to have been the most highly evolved human being ever on this planet. I didn’t believe it at the time, either. That being wasn’t Yeshua or Judas, though I have very briefly encountered them and they’re almost at the same level too, but not quite. (But they’re not in charge of Christianity, of course.)

My conversations with that being didn’t involve “channeling”, but what is traditionally called “visions”. Visions occur while one is wide awake, and are very precise and clear, and in fact look much more “real” than ordinary waking experience – in a way, rather like watching a 3D movie with those special glasses makes the movie look more real.

This being devoted two whole visions of about a quarter of an hour to patiently trying to explain to me what dimensions were and why they were important. Although I’d had plenty of direct experience of many different dimensions at that time, through meditation or OB “travel”, up till then I hadn’t thought of them in those particular terms. The being kept saying they were like glass ceilings. Although one could get higher and higher within each dimension, breaking through to the next dimension up was always harder.

This being also told me that to be free of having to reincarnate in the physical world and be otherwise freed of the responsibilities I had taken on, I would need to break through three glass ceilings that lie above the physical world. Then he qualified that by saying that things would change and by the time I died, only two glass ceilings would be necessary – not just for me, but for every human being on the planet.

I didn’t believe many of the things this being told me, even though this seemed to be the most proactive being I had ever met, and the most totally free of any hint of negativity. And the one who had said more in fewer word/ideas than anybody else, ever. But everything this being predicted would happen to me in the future did happen, on the exact days predicted.

This leads me to the hypothesis that maybe when humans die on this planet, it’ll soon be the case that they’ll normally go straight to 5D.

I’m still doing what I can to research this whole big question.

[AwakeInADream]

Those Demons sound scarey(I hope they're still caged), I wonder did that black magic ritual they called the London Olympics have any major negative effects in the Astral world?

And what about all of those ritualistic mass murders we had last year?



Thank's for sharing your wonderful insights and experiences TH!

The 3 glass ceilings thing just reminded me of a 'spiritual/lucid' dream I had a few years back (I can tell when they are 'special') with my white robed guide(1 of only 3 I've ever had with him), in which he showed me a list of 5 things (I took to be fears), and of this list two were crossed off leaving only three left.
I had the distinct impression that the 3 remaining things(fears or types of fear) on this list were the challenges I would later face in this life(or the next), and that my guide was giving me a progress report, so to speak.
I wonder if overcoming one of the fears on this list might be like breaking a glass ceiling?

Anyway, as yet 3 remain...

Awake

[TraineeHuman]

There are various intelligent beings around at a microscopic level. That’s one thing I have discovered directly, and therefore kind of undeniably, through OB “travel”. The Greeks quite clearly claimed that the atoms were all gods. (Whyever would the original creators of atomic theory say that? Democritus and co. were hard-headed philosophers. They weren’t superstitious nuts.) Well, my clear experience has been that atoms and subatomic “particles” at least seem to be probably more intelligent than humans.

That’s not all. Physics, and modern science, dogmatically assumes – completely without proof -- that all reality is reducible, to ever simpler and simpler components. But I have to say my experience of atomic and subatomic reality strongly suggests that atoms, etc actively put physical reality together. It’s really the other way around. Atoms, etc. act more like subjects than like objects. This is a synthetic instead of a reductionist approach. As such, it lies wholly outside of science, because science won’t accept any approach that’s different from the particular blinkered one that it dogmatically proclaims, without proof or reason, to be the only reality. (Quantum theory involves some very, very small concessions to using synthetic concepts rather than pure reductionism. But this is done very grudgingly, and such subject matter is always labeled as “paradoxical”. The implication being that one day all such “paradoxes” will be eliminated through purely reductionist explanations.)

If you allow for now that what I’m saying may be the truth, that opens up the question of whether atoms and subatomic phenomena are physical or whether they are in fact 4D or 5D. Maybe physical reality just isn’t reducible to anything, but rather the whole of physical reality is a continuing project that keeps being recreated and even developed further by something or some beings that lie “above”.

In my next post I’ll present some discoveries from nuclear physics that seem to fit very well with this explanation. But that subject matter’s a little technical, so I’ll save it for a post of its own.

[TraineeHuman]

Physics knows certain facts about what crosses the 4D/3D border. Not many, but some. I’m referring to the area of conventional physics known as “strange particle physics”. A particle is considered “strange” when it violates the most basic laws of physics. For instance, if it has an electric charge, it’s considered “strange” as long as it behaves as if it had the opposite charge (such as negative instead of positive), or as if it had no electric charge.

It’s been proved that more than 80% of all subatomic particles – from the size of an electron/positron/neutrino/photon, and smaller – are being “strange” at any given time. And that’s not counting the ones that have temporarily popped out of the physical universe at the time. You see, another type of strangeness is the ability to pop in or out of existence in the physical universe at any time. Physicists are completely unable to predict when such “popping” will occur, or when it will get undone. They are also totally unable to understand why it occurs.

Another interesting feature of strange particles is that at any time close to exactly 50% of them prefer to travel backwards in time – from the future to the past. This is in complete violation of the principle in physics that the past causes the future (supposedly). You can find a description of these and some more details in The Dancing Wu-Li Masters, by Gary Zukav. (Incidentally, Zukav has gone on to discover and write books about person-centred psychology, or what he would call “soul stories” or maybe “soul psychology”. I don’t like his exercises but he’s really grasped the importance of the core principles, such as how centrally important it is for a person to genuinely like themselves.)

I first learned about strange particles in the early 80s, from a physicist who was a Fellow of the Royal Society (the most prestigious group in the world to be a member of, for scientists). He pointed out that there is an element – mercury – which is actually a strange element. He assured me that the surface tension in a glob of mercury is by no means strong enough to make the bottom part of the glob of mercury curve upwards. But anyway, he was aware that a group of physicists in Paris had by then already proved that there must exist an entire “higher” universe into and out of which the strange particles pop. That universe would be higher in the sense that not all the laws of the physical universe would be able to apply there. These days I believe the credit for proving that that higher universe must exist seems to have gone to others, who did their work at a later date.

So, it certainly looks like physics recognizes the existence of, if not the 4D world, then of something with some suspicious similarities.

May I also emphasize that physics has not even the slightest explanation of how or why over 80% of subatomic reality manages to violate its laws at any given moment. Imagine if 80% of the cars on a major road either drove on the wrong side of the road or in reverse, or came crashing into existence anywhere on the road at completely unpredictable times. Would you say the laws of the road were being followed? Would you say they were an accurate description of what was happening there? Would you and the police and everyone else not demand a full investigation and explanation of what was going on? Well, the physicists totally sweep all that under the carpet. Could it be that in some way they might otherwise have to publicly admit that a higher, non-physical or at least semi-physical, and hence metaphysical, world has been proved to exist?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
... during an OBE, can you also travel in time?

I mean, can you go back in time without it necessarily being a past life memory?
(or forward?)

Learning to remote-view the likeliest probable futures is a skill comparable to learning to be a champion golf player at the highest professional level – only it’s harder still. Even the greatest golf players put some shots into the rough, and may stay outside the top thirty throughout a tournament.

Still, the best that I can do – and probably ever will do – is to give some longer-term general, rather vague sightings. Yes, there will be earth changes in the future, but certainly not in the next five years. It still seems likely to me that there’ll be a kind of Mad Max scenario throughout the world in maybe ten (?) or twenty (?) years time. Maybe there’ll be financial breakdown that causes members of the police and military not to receive any pay permanently? It also seems very likely that following such a period there’ll be a major and long golden age on the planet. I don’t believe the corrupt current ruling elite will make it, or not with much power, on this planet at least.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AuCo (here)
Please, anyone doing OBE lately notice a total evacuation of any places in the nearby realm?

Also, if anyone share the following experience:
I, from time to time would do surface skimming, in the dream that is. And that would tell me that I was dreaming. But once and only, in this physical 3D, I was doing it fast backward about 7 feet and landed softly like a feather.

AuCo, would you be able to tell us more about what you mean exactly by “surface skimming”? Obviously it’s a way to make sure whether you’re OB at the time.

But by “surface” do you mean the ground or the floor? Or the surface of the Earth?

And exactly how do you “skim”? Do you think to yourself that you want to travel very quickly along it?

[lookbeyond]

Hi TH, do you feel that visions are able to manifest in 3D as a result of being comprised of the sub atomic strange particles that are able to pop in and out of the physical universe? This in my limited understanding explains it for me- lb

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Hi TH, do you feel that visions are able to manifest in 3D as a result of being comprised of the sub atomic strange particles that are able to pop in and out of the physical universe? This in my limited understanding explains it for me- lb

That's an insightful idea, lookbeyond. I would say that many visions manifest in 4D or 5D. The fact that they seem so much more vivid and clear than what we see in the 3D world suggests they are made of whatever 4D or 5D contain. Basically, 4D is the world of energies and emotions, but everything in it has some kind of form.

I suspect that when strange particles leave 3D they carry with them information about the 3D world, hence they can contribute to pictures in 4D of things in the 3D world. I suspect that strange particles probably stop being particles and become absorbed into fields, within which, however, they may retain their "memory" from their life as a particle, and hence their "individuality".

In my experience, visions have usually involved some formless features. I've also been puzzled by them because they were so unfamiliar, and I'm sure my mind tried to reduce everything to looking like things in 3D, if only because that was what it's the most familiar with.

[lookbeyond]

Thanks TH- the reason i ask is i had a vision whilst wide awake in 3D (naturally) and it was in response to prayer. So to my mind this "being" (the beautiful arms of) manifested out of "the air" above my sick daughters head. The theory of strange particles is also to my mind, a way for beings to manifest to us so that we can see them with our 3D eyes,... more dots in my puzzle solving,

Thanks lb

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Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I love Leonardo! He practiced 'wall gazing' rather like looking at the clouds to see what pictures would appear,
and he kept the 'Mona Lisa' with him at all times. I suspect that he had a spiritual connection to the work and that perhaps
the face was channeled(a Goddess?), the blurred edges maybe creating the illusion that she was alive and in motion perhaps even speaking to him.
I bet he had many ways and means of communicating with his higher self.

I think that artists have a slight advantage in this respect because of their ability to tap into the mysterious realm of inspiration.
I find my self, when I paint that sometimes I go into a light trance and that the brush strokes seem to place themselves.
I think Picasso once said 'I don't seek, I find', which I think is describing a similar process, that the artists inspiration is really the higher self coming through.

Wall-gazing meditation is a common practice in Japanese Zen Buddhism to this very day. (I usually prefer to meditate with eyes slightly open. If yoiu go deep enough, they start to open slightly anyway, but stay slightly unfocussed.) I would suspect that Leonardo was gazing at blank walls in order to reach certain high dimensions. I suspect his intention may have been partly to somehow convey something of the flavor of such dimensions in his paintings.

In 13D and higher, there is no subject as distinct from any object – and therefore no painter versus the work of art. You could say that the painter and the work of art become totally united in and by the act of painting. All there is is the activity of painting. That activity may have spinoff effects in both the painter and the work on the canvas. But from the point of view of 13D, the separation between the two is illusory.