To Shake Them Awake

[Freed Fox]

Hello everyone, it's me again; that guy who only joined a month ago but can't seem to shut up.

This, however, felt like it was worth bringing up. I am very interested to hear what you all have to say about this.

My question is, when one finds him or herself 'waking up', to what extent should they endeavor to wake up those sleeping around them?

Is it even possible to do so, when the others are in deep and not yet stirring of their own accord?

Would it be a waste of time? Could it do more harm than good? Do we owe it to them, particularly if they are people we love?

When we find this journey to be of universal importance yet paradoxically of a very personal nature. When we recognize that, despite the deeper educational value of our experiences and interactions, our greatest realizations have come from within our deepest moments of introspection and self examination?

I am currently under my father's roof and I have been asking myself this question constantly. He is in his fifties, and has issues with his health. He has suffered two heart attacks in the last decade. Despite there being relatively little tissue damage following these, one does not have to have a medical degree to understand that his life expectancy is not the greatest.

I love him dearly and so I am conflicted. Awareness wants to be shared. Finding a place of inner peace can be of great value. However, this is a man who is still willing to trust the MSM for his news, and is very occupied by the 'real world'. When we get into discussion about current events, politics, what-have-you, I do my best to offer genuine optimism without delving too far into the spiritual or esoteric. Yet I do not feel like it is enough.

On one hand, I could let him live out what years he has left under his accepted paradigm. While it may be a source of stress for him at times, he is at least not seriously depressed and seems to enjoy life (when he is not completely stressed out about something).
On the other, under my own personal beliefs, this is the sort of life which is not worth living. And I believe that if he was not so vested in material reality in some respects he would experience better health, and more genuine happiness.

My outlook and perspective on life are of course ever evolving concepts. At the end of the day, I realize that there are few things in which I hold an unshakable faith. All else is up for inspection and revision. So, if even I am not yet completely satisfied with my internal model of the external, would it then be irresponsible for me to reciprocate these as some sort of higher truths?

Can the message even be heard?

There is a related article which I found today, that I thought I might share. It was written by Gabriel D. Roberts (whom I've never heard of), and addresses the importance of raising our consciousness.

http://www.gabrieldroberts.com/thebl...transformation

The following excerpt touches closely upon what I mentioned before;

Ignorance is bliss, because if we are not aware of a problem, then it won't keep us up at night. Our consciousness won't allow us to ignore what we see with ever increasing clarity, it won't allow us to stand by the wayside.

So, what are your thoughts about raising consciousness? Both within ourselves and those around us?

Thank you all who read for your time.
All the best

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

It's easy to become manic and frantic when people around you don't seem to care.
The thing to keep in mind is that those people think they care about the right things -- they can be wrong, but they still care very deeply about their own agendas, and don't necessarily want to waste resources on our beliefs or see you waste your time either.

That is how I got treated, like a total crazy person, by family at least. A few members are decent, but most of them have written me off, because I started talking about things they either don't or can't believe, or they are too afraid to believe, or can't help me with, etc.

People tell me (my therapists) that WALKING, READING, MEDITATING, PLAYING are good ways to raise consciousness. The arts are a good haven for likeminded people.
You will find many free spirits both in college and dropping out of college. You may find friends in unusual circumstances -- for example, on the bus you might have a conversation with a foreigner and talk about everything imaginable. In a coffee shop the barista just might surprise you by agreeing with your political beliefs. You friends might wake up and start reading Natural News. You never know.


But reading is one of the best ways to raise your consciousness and elevate ideas at the same time.
Some people believe the memory we leave behind, and how we used our time, is all we get in the end.
the memory we leave behind is our immortality to some people.
that is why and how they live the way they do. and if there is a God he will have mercy I hope,
on the ones who tried as hard as they could, to live as well as they could.

I think setting a good example and being healthy and helping others is how to shine.
You will find so many choices, so many paths, but when you care about other people --
that is when you find the road you were meant to find.

[9eagle9]

It depends if you are waking them up or just directing them to another dream.

[Bill Ryan]

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Mustard Seed Carpenters

Here's Dr Bill Deagle's graphic answer. I have to say, I love it.

"Your worst enemy is your unprepared neighbor. You need to distribute these DVDs to your neighbors. Your neighbors may spit in your face now, but when things start to happen they'll be begging you to tell them more.

Remember, you're what I call mustard seed carpenters. You have a carpenter's wedge, a bag of mustard seeds, and a hammer: And in the little cracks of their stupid skull you're gonna drive in these mustard seeds of common sense and when the water of disaster comes upon their heads the seeds are gonna grow whether they want them to or not and the roots are gonna start splitting their very, very thick skulls."

We might not have to be as brutal as Dr Bill seems to be in this colorful quote... but we can all get the point. He also says (and Steve Quayle agrees) that in any preparedness plans you make, make sure you include everyone around you. For example, not just gathering food and emergency supplies for yourself, but for everyone you love.

I do think these contingencies will prove necessary for many: we just don't know when. I'd not be surprised if things start to unwind this Spring. The immediate problem is not natural disasters (though something along those lines may be 'encouraged') -- but martial law, or something very much like it, in at least some parts of the US. The worst case scenario is rather more grim and would involve the entire country coming apart (which some insiders definitely want to see).

We are into difficult and challenging times now, and you're right to be concerned about those you love. Plant seeds, don't get into arguments, don't get polarized, realize that others are frightened and do not want to look at these (and other) issues, and quietly get ready for anything and be prepared to look after others along the way.

[enfoldedblue]

Hi Fox,
I have been 'awake' for more than 20 years (I put in brackets because I have found that there are are many levels of awakening...and I know I am still not fully awake...for me it is definitely a process and not an event). In the beginning I wanted to run through the streets telling everybody about the deeper 'more true' aspects of life i had discovered. I actually expected everyone to be as intrigued and amazed as I was...lol. I really was genuinely surprized when I found that most people were not interested in the least, and some even seemed to resent what I had to say.

In my experience someone has to be open and ready to take the first step, and until that point there is nothing we can say or do that will make any real difference. I am not really sure exactly what happens...but it is like the more we awaken, the higher our frequency becomes and the more access we have to the wider reality...but when we try and describe our higher frequency experiences to others on a lower frequency...it enters their brain as an annoying bla bla bla bla.... lol. Ultimately I have found that the best thing to do is to live my life according to the deeper truths that I have discovered, and be available to those who lift their eyes from the limited view of the blinders.

Maybe others have had more success

[T Smith]

I wish I had something productive to add, but unfortunately, you raise many of the questions I contemplate daily without resolution. I do know there are many issues on which I need to tread lightly when interacting with those who have not (yet?) "awakened". There are surely degrees of awareness, and perhaps I appear asleep to others, so I feel uncomfortable and even presumptuous discussing in absolutes like "awake" and "asleep", but I do know exactly what you are experiencing. If you have a loved one who is suffering, or whose health and life is affected or threatened because of it, it can be a very painful and paralyzing position to be in.

Good thread. Look forward to learning how others deal with these issues.

[mosquito]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
....My outlook and perspective on life are of course ever evolving concepts. ....

As indeed are your father's !

The last sentence in Bill's post I think is pertinent too, rather than trying to wake anyone up (if that's possible) the wisest course of action is to plant the seeds and water them, allow the metaphorical sunshine of the other person's life to make them grow.

[ceetee9]

You have remarkable insight and ask some very important questions for such a young person Freed Fox. I wish I had some answers for you, but I believe the answers you seek are ones only you can answer by searching your heart and soul.

I will say, however, that the point of discussing anything with anyone is to share thoughts and ideas to learn and grow--preferably for all involved. I think having an unshakable faith in few, if any, things is the hallmark of a healthy, open and caring mind. People who realize they know little to nothing, are people who can continue to learn and grow. People who close their minds and deny, or refuse to consider, new information simply because they "already know the truth" (code phrase for it doesn't fit in with their world view) are the ones who don't live in the real world, IMO.

I was lucky to have a very intelligent and open minded father. He too had health issues and came close to dying several times, but we had many good and stimulating discussions about life and the world before he finally did pass. I cherish those conversations and the things he taught me, but I'm not recommending you do the same with your father. I'm merely sharing my experience with mine for what it's worth.

Good luck to you.

[Youniverse]

Yes a great question FreedFox! I see no harm in 'attempting to awaken' as many people as you like. If they are ready or receptive to it you will know pretty quickly. If they are not, they will dismiss what you are saying as hogwash and continue in the reality they feel most comfortable with. I too am very hesitant to use the term awake in reference to myself, but I must say that one of the real catalysts for my 'waking up' was that I was no longer comfortable(to put it very midly) with the reality I was experiencing. It may be said that awakened people have an obligation to try to awaken as many others as possible, though in truth, we are not obligated to do anything except BE.

[Tesseract]

Some years ago my late father told me a story about his own father, who had an accident and broke his neck. While lying on the ground he went out of body, and could read the number plate of the ambulance and so on...

Prior to hearing this story, while I had numerous esoteric interests and while I did not disbelieve the out of body phenomenon - I had no reason to think I would ever know whether it was real or simply the product of a deluded/dreaming mind. As such, I mostly left the whole out of body question alone - and I believe that the unintended consequence of this was to make myself non receptive to the out of body condition. Having heard the story from a close relative, in a way, unlocked the possibility - or helped to awaken me, to use the vocabulary of this forum .

So, without any attempt at proselytisation, another individual was able to benefit another.

[Hip Hipnotist]

Hello, FF.

I'll cut to the chase:

From what I gather I strongly believe that anyone still in 'denial' has missed the 'truth boat'. It takes quite a while ( looong time for me ) once that inner voice says, "Hey dude, things ain't as they appear" to actually realize, through research, that "Things ain't as they appear." And when it finally sinks in it can be devastating.

If your father has already had two heart attacks I see no reason in possibly generating a third. I know. One was enough for me.

As others have suggested, preparing for those you care about ( however you go about it ) along with yourself could only produce positive results.

And you can always say, "I told you so."

If "The truth shall set you free" then free YOU will be! ;-))

[enfoldedblue]

Thanks Tesseract for raising a key point. Humans naturally do not like to feel that we are being forced into anything, and the natural response is to defend one's autonomy. I think the more attached we are to the outcome, the less successful our plight will be, because we are 'trying' to lead a person in a particular direction. However, if we have no attachment to outcome (ie don't care whether the person stirs or not) there is likely a much higher chance of being heard as the listener does not feel they are being coerced.

Posted by Tesseract (here)
Some years ago my late father told me a story about his own father, who had an accident and broke his neck. While lying on the ground he went out of body, and could read the number plate of the ambulance and so on...

Prior to hearing this story, while I had numerous esoteric interests and while I did not disbelieve the out of body phenomenon - I had no reason to think I would ever know whether it was real or simply the product of a deluded/dreaming mind. As such, I mostly left the whole out of body question alone - and I believe that the unintended consequence of this was to make myself non receptive to the out of body condition. Having heard the story from a close relative, in a way, unlocked the possibility - or helped to awaken me, to use the vocabulary of this forum .

So, without any attempt at proselytisation, another individual was able to benefit another.

[markpierre]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)

My outlook and perspective on life are of course ever evolving concepts. At the end of the day, I realize that there are few things in which I hold an unshakable faith. All else is up for inspection and revision. So, if even I am not yet completely satisfied with my internal model of the external, would it then be irresponsible for me to reciprocate these as some sort of higher truths?

That's your answer.

Teach by example. Your actions are the most revealing part of you. Your openness to change in yourself is the most useful and rewarding part of you at the moment.
And the most visible. Both to others and to yourself.

Only ever meet people exactly where they are, and don't compromise who you are. That doesn't mean proselytise. If your heart is leading you, you'll know what to do or say.
It IS presumptuous to believe you know another's agenda here. You don't quite know your own yet. But it's not presumptuous to assume that the recognition of love and support and
acceptance is what's missing in others. If there is indeed anything missing. That's why the mind retreated into self preservation in the first place.
You can do that for them without uttering a word, or any contact at all.
You can't know how or why an individual's human agenda is working with it's Soul agenda. Judgement is meaningless and futile. You''ll just be wrong.

There's no consensus here on what the idea of 'awake' is. If it means stock up on beans and rice and bullets, that's pretty limited. But it's not unworthy.
The other end of the spectrum is aware that you're dreaming, and participating with the purpose of dreaming everything into Reality. It begins somewhere,
and it is all the same process. But every step of the process is crucial to the completion of it. Don't take others conflict from them. It's important to them.
Respect it, and trust them to use it wisely. The mind that overcomes the conflict, is the same mind that orchestrated it. It did that for a reason.

Good thread. Don't shut up.

[christian]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
So, what are your thoughts about raising consciousness? Both within ourselves and those around us?

Within, it's embracing the fact that there's always more to learn, that simple.

Around us, it depends so much on the given situation. Every interaction is like an alchemical reaction, where I mix up the elixir that I wanna put into the mix individually in each case. I like to talk to people on the street and everywhere, with them I often just focus on a particular issue or hint at things. Because it's a delicate walk between giving people useful information that will be a proper stepping stone for them and giving them too much information that they cannot handle at the moment and that will block them. So I don't go into the reptiles or the moon matrix unless I feel they're up for it, but clearly into banking and politics and "worldly" stuff.

Something you can easily tell virtually everybody is "the sum of the debt of the world cannot be paid back, because the system is set up that way. Austerity won't work, they want everybody to be in debt to cash in on the collateral and make everyone slaves, that's the endgame of the private central banking cartel. We've got to get rid of that." That's something everybody can understand in a minute and it is essential knowledge for everyone, a good starting point.

Or how about "the same banks and interest groups financed the Communists, the Nazis, and now both parties in the US." All verifiable facts, you can lay it out if you got it on top of your head, or you can look it up, print it out and show them the proof if they wanna hear it. We're heading towards a major crisis and to avoid this it's so important that people become educated as to who are the war mongerers and the profiteers, what really happened in the last (say) 100 years, central banking, false flags, wars, and that stuff.

When it comes to people I interact with often or on a daily basis, I will most definitely spell out all the basics of what I found out. From politics, to history, to spirituality, to all the rest, I want them to know who they are dealing with on a daily basis, meaning where I'm coming from and how the world really looks like when you examine it more thoroughly. If they reject my information straight away, I offer them to not talk about this anymore from then on, and that I am serious about what I said and that I just wanted to be clear. Worked out fair enough so far, most people I do this with, especially in my family, will come to me occasionally and ask for the latest developments or they allow me every now and then to tell them updates. But all in moderation. They're really living in another world, it literally gives them headaches to hear my stories for too long. They rather talk about trivial stuff, feels more comfortable to them, and I respect their free will choice. But by now they completly did realize my news and forecasts have been more accurate than what the hear from the MSM. So they really figured that I'm on to something, now it's mostly their fear of taking real responsibility and their fear to face how grim the situation is, that holds them back, plus their attachement/addiction to their old routine, their seemingly safe and protected life.

Now take Alex Jones for example or David Icke or Bill Ryan, what would they have done if they would have been worried too much about what other people might think about them or the outrageousness of the information they're putting out? Nice examples where people just vigorously and determinedly put out what they figured to be true and important and the massive effect they had this way.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by christian (here)
Or how about "the same banks and interest groups financed the Communists, the Nazis, and now both parties in the US." All verifiable facts, you can lay it out if you got it on top of your head, or you can look it up, print it out and show them the proof if they wanna hear it.

That's funny Christian, reactions from the last two close relatives I tried laying that one on were basically "you're nucking futs", and "if it's so bad, then leave the country".(LOL) No amount of printouts or facts, were going to get in the way of their deep rooted responsibility of being a proud and patriotic American citizen. Just like I used to be.

I still mention these basic things to various neighbors from time to time, like Homeland Security is meant for the American people, not for Al Qaida, but even then it's only on the occasion when it seems to fit(somewhat) the mood. 9 times out of 10 it's still just usual neighbor talk. Being a carpenter, I appreciated Bill referencing Bill Deagle's carpenter wedge example:

Remember, you're what I call mustard seed carpenters. You have a carpenter's wedge, a bag of mustard seeds, and a hammer: And in the little cracks of their stupid skull you're gonna drive in these mustard seeds of common sense and when the water of disaster comes upon their heads the seeds are gonna grow whether they want them to or not and the roots are gonna start splitting theirvery,
very thick skulls.

As things continue to unravel here in the U.S., people don't seem to be scoffing quite as much any more. They may not be ready for the red pill yet, but they also know something's not right. "Dimly aware of a certain unease in the air", to steal a line from Roger Waters.

In the end Freed Fox, you're going to need to develop through trial and error, your own unique way of balancing what you know, with who and how you share it. It's certainly a dilemma, and as you can see there are no easy answers.

Best of luck,
Fred

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
In my experience someone has to be open and ready to take the first step, and until that point there is nothing we can say or do that will make any real difference. I am not really sure exactly what happens...but it is like the more we awaken, the higher our frequency becomes and the more access we have to the wider reality...but when we try and describe our higher frequency experiences to others on a lower frequency...it enters their brain as an annoying bla bla bla bla.... lol. Ultimately I have found that the best thing to do is to live my life according to the deeper truths that I have discovered, and be available to those who lift their eyes from the limited view of the blinders.

Maybe others have had more success

Your description, enfoldeblue, is true, I am afraid, no matter where you are in the world. Only trouble is the pain to see others going blindly to a very uncomfortable fate that they themselves (we) created and their awakening is about to be short and painful. and our planet earth in the absence of not enough "seeing"/feeling people is currently on a trail of destruction. let's hope it's just the human tendency to take things to a radicl edge. I do believe personally that flowers can blossom even in the desert and in rough conditions, so keep spreading seeds is the best shot for now, but it is also easy to feel that the game is stepping up now to a different level.

[greybeard]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
Hi Fox,
I have been 'awake' for more than 20 years (I put in brackets because I have found that there are are many levels of awakening...and I know I am still not fully awake...for me it is definitely a process and not an event). In the beginning I wanted to run through the streets telling everybody about the deeper 'more true' aspects of life i had discovered. I actually expected everyone to be as intrigued and amazed as I was...lol. I really was genuinely surprized when I found that most people were not interested in the least, and some even seemed to resent what I had to say.

In my experience someone has to be open and ready to take the first step, and until that point there is nothing we can say or do that will make any real difference. I am not really sure exactly what happens...but it is like the more we awaken, the higher our frequency becomes and the more access we have to the wider reality...but when we try and describe our higher frequency experiences to others on a lower frequency...it enters their brain as an annoying bla bla bla bla.... lol. Ultimately I have found that the best thing to do is to live my life according to the deeper truths that I have discovered, and be available to those who lift their eyes from the limited view of the blinders.

Maybe others have had more success

Hi enfoldedblue
You are right, people have to be ready and sometimes a change of circumstances, where they find that unaided they are unable to resolve the situation, is necessary for them to consider a different way of experiencing the situation

The book Power Vs Force was a great help to me.
People act in accord with their frequency, that which they are tuned into.
Anything else is the bla bla bla.

Hawkins said if you want to help the world---stay out of traffic (dont get get in a position where there is a chance of being run over by negativity)
The crab escaping from the bucket full of crabs is pulled back by the others.
If asked for help of any kind thats one thing, otherwise, be silent, keep your nose out of other peoples business and do what you can to raise your own spiritual vibration
By raising your own frequency you have a profound positive effect on the collective consciousness.
Hawkins gave examples of how this can help even the starving child in Africa and other situations.

Be kind to all life, especially your own, no matter what.

Sometimes it is not kind to give advice unasked for---discernment is necessary.

Chris

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Well, one of my personal rules nowadays is to accept people closest to you the way they are. I´d expect them to do the same with me, because I´m far from being perfect.

Of course, you must be free to express yourself, so feel free to talk about your favorite subjects with your family and friends. However, always pay attention to their reaction. If the person looks interested, continue; If not, stop immediately.

Forcing your "truths" down someone else´s throat is never a good thing, specially when you can´t be sure if your "truths" are actual "truths" or not. By doing this, you might actually create the opposite result than the one you expected.

Like 9eagle9 said, you can never be sure if you´re really trying to wake them up or if you´re really just showing them another kind of dream. After all, how many people we see daily, who are brainwashed by religion, propaganda, politics or whatever? Brainwashed people don´t know they are brainwashed, so how can you guarantee you´re not one of them? You can´t.

So, question even your own thoughts, because they might be not exactly yours.

Anyway, one of the most ignorant things is to keep labeling people as "sheep" or "sleepers"...Whenever you put yourself in a superior position, it evokes the most selfish and pathetic emotions inside ourselves.

People are just people, no labels attached.

So, another very important thing is to learn to listen. This is really important. Don´t fall in this trap of thinking you have more important things to say than uncle Jim.

Don´t make life into a war, where you have to bomb people with your information and points of view. Conversations are not competitions are not supposed to have winners or losers. Make life into a rich experience of exchanging information, of shared perspectives.

I guarantee you that, every single person you will ever meet has something very important to teach you...Please, don´t fall for this trap of labeling yourself "awake", which will certainly lead to to ignore whatever comes from the mouth of people you consider to be "dreaming"...This is the stupidest form of prejudice and will close many doors to you.

So, to sum up, just be yourself, let others be themselves, so you can all naturally share "yourselves" and learn from each other.

Oh, another thing; Respect old folks and listen to them very carefully. We´re about the same age, and we tend to think we´re the masters of reason and these sort of things, but we´re wrong. Old people are treasures; They are the real deal. All you have to do is to listen to them. I´ve spoken to old folks who don´t even know how to read who had more things to teach than Freud, Stephen Hawking and Chomsky combined.

Raf.

[westhill]

Freed Fox...
No eye rolling here, keep posting!
No one will wake up truly until they are ready. We may think we are causing it, but we are just observing their process.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sH_fOJznIUk

[donk]

Planting seeds is a great analogy, but I think the hammer thing completely destroys it--and is identical to the idea of "shake" awake.

I think a "toolkit" approach is better. For some people, the hammer will just destroy their skull, no chance of seed taking root...as many mentioned already and you have experienced.

I found that is important to form "real" relationships with people, being aware that very few people are used to that, and most are actively resistant to it and totally defensive. It is not easy, but worth it (to me) to get to really know those people--to be able to relate to them, or more importantly: help them relate to you...then you can find a way to communicate with them that they can understand...to "find the right tool" to use to most productively plant the seed.

Sharing your truth with those so attached to their own is always tricky, but can be fun, is definitely worth it. Patience isn't always easy, but is always required. Everybody deep down can benefit from living in a reality that is not created by their ideas, but the programming is so good that most think they prefer the illusion/matrix/sleep. Some might cling to that for this lifetime. You have to be ok with that...it is hard lesson to learn, but it "freed" me, and I found I gotta trying no matter how frustrating.