Ki Gong master gets beaten up by MMA fighter.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Well, I was always very suspicious about these allegedly Ki Gong/Kiai masters, who are always showing their skills on videos, defeating their opponents without even physically touching them.

The problem is that, his opponents, are always his own students, who, of course, are always biased towards their masters.

Anyway, one of these "Jedi" masters offered, as a challenge, U$5.000,00, saying that he could beat up any MMA fighter.

Well, unfortunately, a MMA fighter accepted the challenge, and this is what happened:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

Now, what really impresses me is his students. Are they voluntary co-participants in a fraud, or are they simply passively hypnotized by their master, who clearly have no such paranormal powers?

Judging by the video, I guess the master really believes to have such powers, because he looks pretty surprised when he receives the first punch in the face. So, why is he convinced that he´s got powers, if he probably never confirmed it during a real conflict situation?

Who is responsible? The students who, through their complacency, convinced their master that he´s really got Chi power? Or the master, who managed to convince their students that he´s got such power to the point of hypnotizing them? Or both?

Is this a mutual support relationship, where both student and master collaborate to induce each other to believe in a fantasy?

Any possible parallels with the relationship between religious "gurus" and their followers?

Cheers,

Raf.

[Spiral]

Thanks, that proves exactly what I thought of these "masters" from other videos that I have seen posted on various forums.

Most of our civilization is founded on this kind of group delusion, its ubiquitous.

[Operator]

It sickens me to see how anxious such an MMA guy is for money, then aggressively beats up someone,
celebrates his victory and then only afterwards is somewhat concerned that he might have injured another human.

If the Ki Gong (Qigong according to Wikipedia) master would be fully aware of the scam he wouldn't have
challenged any MMA fighter. I also think he doesn't hypnotize his students. Otherwise he could have done that
with the MMA fighter too. It may indicate how strong belief systems are for those who go for it.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Spiral (here)
Thanks, that proves exactly what I thought of these "masters" from other videos that I have seen posted on various forums.

Most of our civilization is founded on this kind of group delusion, its ubiquitous.

Very nice observation, my friend.

Indeed, our society works like this.

A bunch of corporations sell their super-products, people love to buy their super-products so they can live their super-boring lives, building this super-messed up society in the process.

We feed the monster and the monster feeds us; It´s a symbiotic relationship.

Raf.

Posted by Operator (here)
It sickens me to see how anxious such an MMA guy is for money, then aggressively beats up someone,
celebrates his victory and then only afterwards is somewhat concerned that he might have injured another human.

If the Ki Gong (Qigong according to Wikipedia) master would be fully aware of the scam he wouldn't have
challenged any MMA fighter. I also think he doesn't hypnotize his students. Otherwise he could have done that
with the MMA fighter too. It may indicate how strong belief systems are for those who go for it.

Well, I think the MMA fighter took it very easy with the old man. He was clearly concerned since the begining of the fight.

He could clearly have beaten up the guy to pieces, if he wanted to.

I had the impression that he was really holding himself, to avoid doing too much damage.

Besides, it was the master who offered the challenge. When you make a challenge, you have to accept the possibility of loosing.

PS: Ki Gong, or Qigong, are both correct.

[donk]

It sickens me to see how anxious such an MMA guy is for money, then aggressively beats up someone,
celebrates his victory and then only afterwards is somewhat concerned that he might have injured another human.

I dunno, dude, that's kinda like saying all the Wilcock haters dumping on him apologizing for so harshly calling him out once they realize they hurt his feelings is sickening...

this clown entered a contract, based on his own hype. I don't understand what is sickening on someone calling him out and then engaging in the activity they agreed upon. It's not like MMA-dude picked a fight at random, he answered a "master's" challenge to test his "skill". The fact that he showed compassion for hurting a fellow "fighter" to me show he's OK in my book.

The idea of physically dominating someone else is whole other thing. These people are attached to the idea that it is an art, they spend their time and energy competeing, or whatever. you have to discern that bad idea from the situation here. That particular incident was a challenge, a contract, consentual in every way, the fact that it is aggressively harming another is one thing (and I agree, is "sickening" to me)...but it's a given, is the framework. The act of feeling bad and showing compassion for SUCCEEDING at what they agreed to try to accompish is not sickening...to me anyway.

[9eagle9]

I knew someone would get their arse beat one day for spewing the fake, the fraudulent.

A lot of that going around these days.

A good thing me thinks. If your not the one who got yer arse beat that is.

[DeDukshyn]

I think it is this simple ... both the students and the master believe he has some power .. the MMA guy didn't buy that belief ...

It didn't even look that ki gong or whatever guy knew how to fight for real ... lol.

[Spiral]

It reminded me of this http://www.wnd.com/2006/08/37702/

As for people getting hurt, well if you claim to be a fighter & enter the ring......Geez

I found the guy jumping & rolling, pretending he was being thrown hilarious.

[Operator]

Posted by donk (here)

It sickens me to see how anxious such an MMA guy is for money, then aggressively beats up someone,
celebrates his victory and then only afterwards is somewhat concerned that he might have injured another human.

I dunno, dude, that's kinda like saying all the Wilcock haters dumping on him apologizing for so harshly calling him out once they realize they hurt his feelings is sickening...

this clown entered a contract, based on his own hype. I don't understand what is sickening on someone calling him out and then engaging in the activity they agreed upon. It's not like MMA-dude picked a fight at random, he answered a "master's" challenge to test his "skill". The fact that he showed compassion for hurting a fellow "fighter" to me show he's OK in my book.

The idea of physically dominating someone else is whole other thing. These people are attached to the idea that it is an art, they spend their time and energy competeing, or whatever. you have to discern that bad idea from the situation here. That particular incident was a challenge, a contract, consentual in every way, the fact that it is aggressively harming another is one thing (and I agree, is "sickening" to me)...but it's a given, is the framework. The act of feeling bad and showing compassion for SUCCEEDING at what they agreed to try to accompish is not sickening...to me anyway.

I think I am misunderstood in that long sentence. The keyword was 'money'. It sickens me that people do it for the money.
For most of the rest I agree with you and Raf.

[RUSirius]

Wow, impressive, almost comical, what pops into my head is how "fake" the "fakers" really are.

[Carmody]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey folks,

Well, I was always very suspicious about these allegedly Ki Gong/Kiai masters, who are always showing their skills on videos, defeating their opponents without even physically touching them.

The problem is that, his opponents, are always his own students, who, of course, are always biased towards their masters.

Anyway, one of these "Jedi" masters offered, as a challenge, U$5.000,00, saying that he could beat up any MMA fighter.

Well, unfortunately, a MMA fighter accepted the challenge, and this is what happened:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

Now, what really impresses me is his students. Are they voluntary co-participants in a fraud, or are they simply passively hypnotized by their master, who clearly have no such paranormal powers?

Judging by the video, I guess the master really believes to have such powers, because he looks pretty surprised when he receives the first punch in the face. So, why is he convinced that he´s got powers, if he probably never confirmed it during a real conflict situation?

Who is responsible? The students who, through their complacency, convinced their master that he´s really got Chi power? Or the master, who managed to convince their students that he´s got such power to the point of hypnotizing them? Or both?

Is this a mutual support relationship, where both student and master collaborate to induce each other to believe in a fantasy?

Any possible parallels with the relationship between religious "gurus" and their followers?

Cheers,

Raf.

Here's a clue.

When studies on psychic capacity have been done by accredited scientists, these well designed studies are set up so that they can properly 'proof' psychic sensitivity/capacity and the given aspect that is being explored.

To proof, one way or the other, in a situation that is deemed by all rational thought and potential..to be impossible to fake, or to have the situation manipulated by other potentials. to design as foolproof an experimental protocol as is possible.

And in their experiment, the psychic capacity/sensitivity..is found to be real.

That they have designed and implemented these published and peer reviewed works...so that they can back up their earlier findings in those areas. To be absolutely sure that they are not fooling themselves.

Then, due to other scientists saying that it is a bunch of bunk or crap science..the other disbelieving scientists repeat the experiments..which is the full and proper act of secondary separate proofing... and those other disbelieving scientists....find null or negative results.

One camp believes and finds, through rigorous and very well thought out experiments..that such capacities are for real.

Another camp, who thinks it is all garbage science.... repeats the experiments and finds ...that it is all crap. That the results are random, and it is all as unreal as they thought it was.

BOTH GROUPS..know for a fact, that the experiments are perfectly designed and cannot be faked.

Each group accuses the other... of faking the results, as each knows they've done their work to utter perfection, in a situation, an experiment.... that is impossible to fake.

Then one of the scientists involved gets an idea.

What he does, is he takes groups that BELIEVE that the psychic sensitivity is real, and has them do the experiment.

And then, at the same time, he takes groups of scientists who believe psychic sensitivity is a bunch of hooey and crap....and has them repeat the same experiments.


What happens, is that what the two differently oriented and minded groups BELIEVE and PROJECT, ends up being the actual reality that they find.

There is a war going on...right now....for you, your energies..and your mind.

Do you see it now?

It cannot be emphasized how important this little post is.

That for some of you, it is the most important thing you'll have read for an entire year. A powerful understanding of how reality actually works, in a component or aspect that has been the source of the problem, for as long as you've been alive.

[donk]

Thanks for clarifying...not to be an a-hole though...I am sure you are fairly safe to assume that he did it all for the nookie, buuuut can you imagine he possibly did it to "test his truth" so to speak?

I ask, because it is not outside of the realm of imagination that someone (I'm thinking Joe Rogan) may do something like that to spread a little light...

[greybeard]

I cant take any of that seriously.
If thats a Ki Gong master im a whatever.
His posture/stance was all wrong and he was very nervous before the start--- twitching fingers restless hands.

It is possible to pull people off their feet with Chi energy but not everyone.
Thats my personal experience working on clients with bio-energy.
Some would be pulled towards me as I extracted stuck energy from their chakras ---most would not---thats at a distance of about 6 foot.
There was no belief involved, they did not expect it to happen.

Chris

[humanalien]

I think the master began believing in his own lie
about beating people up, without touching them.

You just seen the end result of that lie.

I think the master should go back to being the pupil....

[Carmody]

Posted by donk (here)
Thanks for clarifying...not to be an a-hole though...I am sure you are fairly safe to assume that he did it all for the nookie, buuuut can you imagine he possibly did it to "test his truth" so to speak?

I ask, because it is not outside of the realm of imagination that someone (I'm thinking Joe Rogan) may do something like that to spread a little light...

See my above post, Donk. Clarity will begin to emerge.

When it comes to looking out from a set of eyeballs, a body, and a brain..always remember..the map is not the territory.

And the entire presentation of the very complex aspect of you, as seen and lived from within you....is just a map, it is NOT the territory.

What happens is that any force of you against any force of another is either perfectly capable of affecting you or perfectly capable of not affecting you. BOTH ARE TRUE AND REAL.

I think you folks might being to see what is going on here.

That realization and self development, in this 3d linear time/space place, is directly tied to the expression of reality. That one's connection to reality, and developed understanding of the basics of the system...is a direct aspect of motive force and reach.

[donk]

See my above post, Donk. Clarity will begin to emerge.

Nice...we posted at the same time.

So if I am to understand correctly, this is kind of a "double slit" experiment?


....correction: your POST, not the actual video, illustrates how this can be used in a sort of "as-above-so below double-slit" experiment?

[RMorgan]

Posted by Carmody (here)

What happens, is that what the two differently oriented and minded groups BELIEVE and PROJECT, ends up being the actual reality that they find.

Hey Carmody,

There can´t be accuracy when there is extreme bias, so, for me, both experiments are inconclusive.

What if they mix up the two groups and make the experiments together? What would be the results?

What if they pick another group of scientists from a completely different branch that couldn´t care less about psychic experiments to do the experiments? What would be the results?

Things aren´t always black and white. There are infinite possibilities between 0 and 1.

Any real and serious scientist knows that biased experiments lead to biased conclusions.

Raf.

[kersley]

Sure I agree, But why would the Master offer himself to be beaten up if he didn't believe in his ability?
If would have been another thing if the MMa Fighter had put up the money. It's like me asking Mike Tyson for a 12 round bout and stupid me put up the money..
I rather NOT..

[ghostrider]

I've had a blue belt in jujitsu for 30 years, anyone can get the upper hand on anyone , trained or not, even with a finger under the nose of your attacker you can take him anywhere you want and he will follow like a puppy ...where ever you move the head, the body must follow ...thus one is off balance and easily put down on the ground ...notice the so called master ends up on the ground ... a good MMA fighter will jack you up in just a few seconds ... fight over ...

[RMorgan]

Posted by kersley (here)
Sure I agree, But why would the Master offer himself to be beaten up if he didn't believe in his ability?
If would have been another thing if the MMa Fighter had put up the money. It's like me asking Mike Tyson for a 12 round bout and stupid me put up the money..
I rather NOT..

Well, I also suspect that he really did believe he had powers, thus the expression of surprise when the received the first punch.

Anyway, beliefs are beliefs. Believing something doesn´t mean it will ever become real. This video is a nice example of it.

The master probably wasn´t beaten up like that for decades, so he was lead to believe his powers were really effective. As far as he was concerned, he had empirical evidence that his powers did work. Did it prevent him from getting punched in face? No.

Raf.