How the New Age was deliberately sold to the Sixties generation, to bring in a New World Order

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I agree there is alot of misleading / hijacked operatives in the alternate media.

I have seen them speak and realised when it was false or created information, however many times id managed to take away with me a few good ideas that helped my journey. I think where we find ourselves is dependant on a saviour as opposed to saving our selves. This is not healthy.

But my problem is that i consider my self a new ager but i think i got it right, at least for myself.

While i have already been beyond meeting many great spirits and brought back useful information and shared it freely, i would still like to learn your method. While i believe i have well working method i should never stop the will to learn new ones :-)

So,Ishtar, please tell us how, what steps to begin etc?

Hugs

N

[Maunagarjana]

Ishtar, what do think of Bashar? Knowing what you think about the Ra Material, I would guess you are not approving and suspect he may be a part of the negative alien agenda. Personally, I don't get that feeling. Anyhow, there is some comments he's made about DMT that you might find interesting (maybe not.) If you want to know what I think about him, I will just say that I was in the audience that is present in this video, way in the back row. I agree with what he has to say here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5jtq2XrqlGM

[Ishtar]

Maunagarjana, I think we largely agree on a lot and if we actually met, and got to know one another, would agree on a lot more! But I'm not interested in persuading someone to agree with me, otherwise I'd be no different to the New Age gurus I'm banging on about. I totally respect your different opinion and that your world view has been gained via authentic routes. I've just had a different route.

So that said, I'm going to dig out some references for you to look at, should you choose to, regarding the whole subject of drugs, the 60s, the CIA, Leary and Huxley. I've got them in books, so it will take a while to tease them out. But in the meantime, I thought, just for the hell of it, I'd do a quick Google on CIA+Leary and amidst a lot of bunkum and straw men arguments, I came across this little gem. It doesn't 'prove' that Leary was knowingly hand-in-glove with the CIA but it does show a certain synchronicity in how the events unravelled, and also that the CIA were interested and experimenting with LSD long before Leary did... and so that begs the question, why? I propose that it was because of all the reasons I gave in my opening post. Anyway, here it is, posted purely for interest, from Prison Planet forum.

1938 - Dr. Albert Hofmann synthesizes LSD-25

Spring 1942 - The Office of Strategic Services convenes a committee to oversee the search for a truth drug

April 16, 1943 - Hofmann accidentally discovers the hallucinogenic effects of LSD

April 19, 1943 - Hofmann undertakes the first self-experiment with LSD

September 1945 - OSS disbanded

October 1945 - US Navy Technical Mission reports on Nazi mescaline experiments at the Dachau concentration camp

1947 - CIA formed; U.S. Navy initiates mescaline studies under the auspices of Project Chatter

1947 - First report on LSD appears in a Swiss pharmacological journal

1948 - CIA authorized to undertake covert operations

1949 - Dr. Max Rinkel brings LSD to the United States from Sandoz Pharmaceuticals in Switzerland and initiates work with LSD in Boston; Nick Bercel commences LSD study in Los Angeles

1950 - CIA launches Project Bluebird

May 1950 - First article about LSD appears in the American Psychiatric Journal

1951 - Captain Al Hubbard turns on to LSD

August 1951 - The CIA's Inspection & Security Staff initiates the Artichoke Project

October 21, 1951 - First documented evidence of CIA experimentation with LSD

1952 - Dr. Humphry Osmond discloses similarity between mescaline and adrenaline molecule; begins experiments with hallucinogenic at a hospital in Saskatchewan

December 1952 - George Hunter White, on loan from the Federal Narcotics Bureau, begins administering LSD to unwitting U.S. citizens at a CIA safehouse in Greenwich Village

January 1953 - Harold Blauer dies of an overdose of MDA during an Army-sponsored drug experiment

April 13, 1953 - The CIA's Technical Services Staff initiates the MK-ULTRA Project

1953 - Dr. Humphry Osmond begins treating alcoholics with LSD

May 1953 - Aldous Huxley's first mescaline experience

November 1953 - Army biochemist Frank Olsen commits suicide after CIA doses him with LSD

1954 - CIA begins Operation MK-PILOT at Lexingon Narcotics Hospital

1954 - Aldous Huxley's Doors of Perception published

mid-1954 - Eli Lilly synthesizes LSD at the CIA's behest

1955 - Aldous Huxley's first LSD trip; the publication of Huxley's Heaven and Hell

1955- Army begins testing LSD at Edgewood arsenal

1956? - Dr. Humphry Osmond coins the word "psychedelic"

May 1957 - Life magazine published R. Gordon Wasson's account of his magic mushroom experience

1958 - Army begins BZ experiments

1959 - Josiah Macy Foundation sponsors major scientific congress on LSD

1959 - Allen Ginsberg tries LSD for the first time

1960 - American Indians granted sanctioned use of peyote as a religious matter

Summer 1960 - Timothy Leary turns on to magic mushrooms in Mexico

1961 - US Army initiates LSD interrogations under Operation Third Chance in Western Europe

1962 - U.S. Army launches Operation Derby Hat in Asia

1962 - The Gamblers, a California surfing band, release a song "LSD-25"; underground LSD appears on both coasts; FDA makes first LSD bust

1962 - Dr. Alexander Shulgin records the effects of MMDA ("ecstasy")

1962 - The superhallucinogen BZ becomes part of the US Army's standardized chemical warfare arsenal

1962 - The CIA withdraws support for above-ground LSD research studies

1962 - Congress passes new drug safety regulations and the FDA designates LSD an experimental drug and restricts research

1963 - Williams Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg publish The Yage Letters

May 1963 - Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert fired from Harvard

November 22, 1963 - Aldous Huxley dies shortly after JFK assassination

1964 - Army begins using BZ gas in Vietnam

Summer 1964 - Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters' cross-country bus trip

Fall 1964 - Berkeley Free Speech Movement

February 1965 - First big surge of street acid; the assassination of Malcolm X; US begins sustained bombing of North Vietnam

April 1965 - First big SDS march on Washington

1965 - Drug Abuse Control Amendment; LSD research further restricted

1965 - Bob Dylan's Bringing It All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited

October 16, 1965 - First Family Dog acid rock dance in San Francisco

1965 - CIA phases out MK-ULTRA, begins MK-SEARCH

January 1966 - The Trips Festival in San Francisco

March 1966 - Life magazine publishes "LSD: The Mind Drug That Got Out of Control"

April 1966 - Sandoz stops supplying LSD to research scientists

April 1966 - G. Gordon Liddy raids the Millbrook estate

Spring 1966 - Senate Hearings about LSD

1966 - Black Panther Party formed

October 6, 1966 - California bans LSD, Love Pageant Rally in the Haight

January 14, 1967 - Human Be-In in Golden Gate Park

1967 - Joint FDA/NIMH Psychotomimetic Advisory Committee formed with strong input from CIA-linked doctors

June 1967 - Monterey Pop Festival

June 1967 - The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

Summer 1967 - "Summer of Love"; STP appears on the blackmarket

October 21, 1967 - March on the Pentagon

1967 - Joint CIA-Army drug research program codenamed OFTEN/MK-CHICKWIT

[Ishtar]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Ishtar, what do think of Bashar? Knowing what you think about the Ra Material, I would guess you are not approving and suspect he may be a part of the negative alien agenda. Personally, I don't get that feeling. Anyhow, there is some comments he's made about DMT that you might find interesting (maybe not.) If you want to know what I think about him, I will just say that I was in the audience that is present in this video, way in the back row. I agree with what he has to say here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5jtq2XrqlGM

I don't know Basher's material at all, but I wouldn't be interested in anyone's else's reported experiences from the astral planes, for all the reasons given above. My endorsement or otherwise would be meaningless, anyway. As I said in my OP, we would be more self-empowered and less open to being manipulated if we just followed our own spirit guides, instead of someone else's and that includes mine.

I'm also totally against any form of channelling, and have banned it from my forum, because it is so open to abuse and I believe that a good proportion of it comes from intelligence agents and psy-ops.

[Ishtar]

Nanoo

Are you asking me how you can learn to journey shamanically?

If so, please do PM me, and we can talk further, and I'll find you a shaman nearer to where you live.

[Maunagarjana]

About the timeline, I wouldn't disagree that the movements of the intelligence community and those of the so-called "psychedelic luminaries" at times seem at times to be moving in the same direction. My feeling is that, yes, the CIA was supplying a lot of LSD for their own purposes. But the way I see it is the people who were trying to create positive social change with it wouldn't have had a problem with that, and would actually use that for their purposes.

I remember an event discussed in Leary's autobiography "Flashbacks" where he was approached by a man in an elevator. The man had a briefcase full of LSD and he said to Leary, basically, "I work for the CIA. I've been taking LSD a lot on my own, and I understand what you are trying to do. I do not believe that the CIA alone should have access to this. It should be in the hands of the public, not just them." And he gave the briefcase to Leary. Now, you could interpret this as this CIA guy lying as a way to get Leary to distribute LSD for "the company". But from Leary's point of view, I think, it wouldn't have mattered either way. He knew that it could be used to dissolve social conditioning, and he knew how to get it to the right people for that purpose.

I came across a quote from Robert Anton Wilson the other day that I think expresses well the point of view of many of the psychedelics cheerleaders,

"I think the major struggle going on is the struggle between those who want to program everybody else and those of us who would prefer to be self-programmers as far possible and teach others to be self-programmers too." - Robert Anton Wilson

[SilentFeathers]

Thread title:
Re: How the New Age was deliberately sold to the Sixties generation, to bring in a New World Order

I personally think much of this was/is to distract people from the "darkside" so to speak....from the evil-doings of the PTB.....

Being distracted by drugs etc and "following" guru's and New Age "happy happy, love love, bliss bliss" types of mind-sets, many became less aware of the "darkside", therefore becoming more ignorant to the PTB's agenda.

Without the "awareness" of darkness we would never know the stars in the heavens existed is one way I like to put it.....

Just a thought...........

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I don't know Basher's material at all, but I wouldn't be interested in anyone's else's reported experiences from the astral planes, for all the reasons given above. My endorsement or otherwise would be meaningless, anyway. As I said in my OP, we would be more self-empowered and less open to being manipulated if we just followed our own spirit guides, instead of someone else's and that includes mine.

I'm also totally against any form of channelling, and have banned it from my forum, because it is so open to abuse and I believe that a good proportion of it comes from intelligence agents and psy-ops.

That's probably a good idea. Have you read any of OnyxKnight's thread about his ET contacts? I remember him talking about some of the channeling coming from ET AIs and that beings that appear to people like the Archangel Michael and Ascended Masters are basically holograms.

In the case of Bashar, the claim that is made by Darryl Anka is that Bashar is one of his his own future incarnations as a being who lives in an ET civilization that is descended from human/grey hybrids in the future. The idea being that since it is his own future incarnation, that it is a much safer way to channel and not nearly as prone to interference. I'm not saying this is true, I'm just relaying what I've heard him say.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
About the timeline, I wouldn't disagree that the movements of the intelligence community and those of the so-called "psychedelic luminaries" at times seem at times to be moving in the same direction. My feeling is that, yes, the CIA was supplying a lot of LSD for their own purposes. But the way I see it is the people who were trying to create positive social change with it wouldn't have had a problem with that, and would actually use that for their purposes.

I remember an event discussed in Leary's autobiography "Flashbacks" where he was approached by a man in an elevator. The man had a briefcase full of LSD and he said to Leary, basically, "I work for the CIA. I've been taking LSD a lot on my own, and I understand what you are trying to do. I do not believe that the CIA alone should have access to this. It should be in the hands of the public, not just them." And he gave the briefcase to Leary. Now, you could interpret this as this CIA guy lying as a way to get Leary to distribute LSD for "the company". But from Leary's point of view, I think, it wouldn't have mattered either way. He knew that it could be used to dissolve social conditioning, and he knew how to get it to the right people for that purpose.

I think I'm just cynical enough to interpret that in the latter way, because that is actually what the NWO guys wanted to do ~ dissolve social conditioning, as part of breaking down society. If I was in the CIA then, and that was my brief, I couldn't think of a better way of doing it than making LSD widely available. Of course, it opened up Pandora's Box and so they couldn't control it... but in another way, if you want to break up societal mores, you wouldn't need to control it. They've done the same by making pornography widely available on the internet. It has had the same effect. There is an epidemic now of sex addiction and child sex abuse, with thousands being trafficked (officially 'going missing from care homes') from Britain alone every year. They just unleash the dogs and cry havoc, because havoc is their aim.

I came across a quote from Robert Anton Wilson the other day that I think expresses well the point of view of many of the psychedelics cheerleaders,

"I think the major struggle going on is the struggle between those who want to program everybody else and those of us who would prefer to be self-programmers as far possible and teach others to be self-programmers too." - Robert Anton Wilson

Great quote!

In my opinion, the problem has been in a population conditioned to follow religions or belief systems, there have not been that many who want or even know how to self programme. But great sentiments!

[Ishtar]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

In the case of Bashar, the claim that is made by Darryl Anka is that Bashar is one of his his own future incarnations as a being who lives in an ET civilization that is descended from human/grey hybrids in the future. The idea being that since it is his own future incarnation, that it is a much safer way to channel and not nearly as prone to interference. I'm not saying this is true, I'm just relaying what I've heard him say.

The vital words are (as bolded) the claim that is made... as they so often are with these guys that need an audience.

But there's never any way of independently verifying these claims.

You either believe it or you don't.

That makes it a belief system... in other words, a religion.

Once you're in a religion, you're much more easy to control and manipulate.

That's why I keep saying, over and over, people need to find their own spirits and as Robert Anton Wilson says, 'self-programme', instead of being programmed by others and their beliefs and experiences.

Who Basher is, or what OnyxKnight says he experiences, shouldn't be important to you or me. What should be important to you is who YOU are. Why have YOU incarnated here, what is your mission and are you up to schedule with it? And the same goes for me.

We need to look within ourselves, in my opinion, and not at the journeys of others.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

In the case of Bashar, the claim that is made by Darryl Anka is that Bashar is one of his his own future incarnations as a being who lives in an ET civilization that is descended from human/grey hybrids in the future. The idea being that since it is his own future incarnation, that it is a much safer way to channel and not nearly as prone to interference. I'm not saying this is true, I'm just relaying what I've heard him say.

The vital words are (as bolded) the claim that is made... as they so often are with these guys that need an audience.

But there's never any way of independently verifying these claims.

You either believe it or you don't.

That makes it a belief system... in other words, a religion.

Once you're in a religion, you're much more easy to control and manipulate.

That's why I keep saying, over and over, people need to find their own spirits and as Robert Anton Wilson says, 'self-programme', instead of being programmed by others and their beliefs and experiences.

Who Basher is, or what OnyxKnight says he experiences, shouldn't be important to you or me. What should be important to you is who YOU are. Why have YOU incarnated here, what is your mission and are you up to schedule with it? And the same goes for me.

We need to look within ourselves, in my opinion, and not at the journeys of others.

True. When it comes to Bashar for me, I don't perceive any funny business coming from him. He doesn't seem to be trying to control or manipulate anyone. If anything, his messages tend to encourage people to be self-empowering. Your mileage may vary though. But I listen to him as I listen to anyone else. To me, it doesn't matter if he's really an ET being channelled or some aspect of Darryl Anka's consciousness, or just a character in a puppet show.

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm hijacking your thread. That wasn't my intention. That was actually why I signaled that I was going to bow out earlier on because I did not want to do that. But thanks for taking the time to talk to me. I'm glad we could have a pleasant exchange.

[Wind]

I don't like the word "new age" much, because it has such a negative connotation. When large groups are formed it usually doesn't lead to a good end result. The leaders of religions, cults, movements and such usually get easily driven by their ego and sometimes movements are hijacked. That's what happened to Occupy Wall Street, sadly.

I find often myself attracted to new agey-kind of stuff, because I really think that love & light is the solution that this planet needs. I've often been called young and too naive... Well, maybe that's somewhat true, but I still refuse to think "realistically" because I think that it is boring and eventually kills your spirit.

I don't know what the future is for mankind or this planet, but I think that there is much that we still can do. Forming communities and spreading the love is my calling, I'm not one who focuses on survival or TPB. My energy is too valuable to be given to those knuckleheads who are controlling this world with a iron grip. You cannot fight fire with fire.

Just a rambling of mine. Oh well.

[161803398]

What was particularly "degenerate" about the 60s? I think the degeneration started in the mid 80s.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I think where we get caught up is the intrigue of other peoples amazing experiences, thinking we may never see these things. But i agree peoples attention should be more towards being inspired by these stories to try for them selves.

We do have a lot of

Look at me, as opposed to, this is how.

N

[Maia Gabrial]

I didn't catch on to the New Age until the 80's, but now it's just another religion I've tossed...

[161803398]

I think a lot of ideas are compromised by the need to make a living. You can't write a book unless you draw a conclusion.

[Jeffrey]

Ishtar!

Hope you are doing well.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UrAgb1-UKQ8

[Ishtar]

Hi Vivek. Thanks for dropping by this thread. It's good to see you looking so well!