Here and Now...What's Happening?

[eaglespirit]

Posted by Belle (here)
Aren't we already in a state of 'here and not here'?

I recall something I read in my distant past...something about everything physical 'blinking' on and off at a rate of speed such that we have the illusion of solids...thus 'here and not here' at the same time (if memory serves me correctly).

If true, everything is fluid...including time and space. Yes? (damn, I know I recently read something important about time and space and cannot find it again...)

Sorry about slowing things down and simplifying. I'm not very good on details...just tend to absorb what I need at the time and move on. Not so good in a conversation such as this.

Yes Belle, Yes...
and more are getting it and helping to 'unjam' the river
so that it flows faster than the speed of light : )
in these here parts of space we be, now!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Interesting, Belle. The flickering is a fundamental aspect of my understanding of reality. Flickering so fast that things seem solid, yes. Flickering so fast that I hardly recall the moments I am not here and me, but everywhere and everything. That makes me sad, to know I am constantly forgetting my Source as I re-enter this avatar and resume the fantasy of individualism. Flickering so fast between remembering and forgetting that I forgot I remember...

Love,
and hugs

[modwiz]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Interesting, Belle. The flickering is a fundamental aspect of my understanding of reality. Flickering so fast that things seem solid, yes. Flickering so fast that I hardly recall the moments I am not here and me, but everywhere and everything. That makes me sad, to know I am constantly forgetting my Source as I re-enter this avatar and resume the fantasy of individualism. Flickering so fast between remembering and forgetting that I forgot I remember...

Love,
and hugs

That flickering would seem to account for many aspects of reality. In the Seth Material, he spoke about this. The units of consciousness and sub-atomic particles are only required to put 'x' amount of time into any given reality to qualify as being 'there'. Lower vibrational frequencies require even less. Only 24 frames per second is required in movies to give the semblance of action. When the frequencies of atomic particles are taken into account one can perceive the loose commitments that are allowed by this.

This dynamic would also help the left brain to wrap itself around the concept regarding the simultaneity of time and how past and future lives can be lived concurrently and exchange data.

[Carmody]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by donk (here)

that one needs to increase the pressure, the complexity and the levels.

pardon my french (and that "racial slur" ), but WTF is that supposed to mean??

Increase the pressure, and the levels go up. mix the frequencies and then from that point of mixed high level energies, newer, higher frequencies emerge. Complex harmonics, highly accelerated. This is literally at the core of 'over unity' devices, in one way or another. Extra dimensional effects.

New frequencies have emerged, at a new plateau....that are made up of those complex harmonics, at these higher, levels of excitation. A 'next step', a next plateau, a next state, a next dimension.

Not as clearly explained as it could be, but..this is true in the Science of it. As above, so below. As in one system, so in another, as they are all based on the same energies. In their own context they are systems of progression based on the same energies.

The trick is to not ask others, but to find -yourself (in all ways). Very important. I can be a clue for myself, on display, if I choose to be.

A riddle to those who will not explore ...a signpost and self check ---for those who will, and are, who are also moving/exploring. That is all anyone can be.

(and possibly a pain, to be eradicated.. to those who chose stagnancy as a form of self affected 'safety', those who extend that frailty as a form projection of ego/emotions..as societal control)

I was outside in the cold,and I had to come inside and correct this. My mind, or body, essentially..was occupied and then real thought could creep in, in those distracted moments. Like when taking a dump. Yes, Gandhi and Einstein probably had world changing ideas come to them while taking a dump.

Anyway, that your path is yours and not mine. That asking questions is fine but possibly tempered with the observance that it might be more probable that the answers and thus usefulness... will not be yours in full, as a 'fit' goes, ....being a formation and formulation of someone else's. The projection of relationships, for example, and their many times...eventual failure.

That within TV, radio, media, religion and politics..that this is the inherent danger within each and all.

[1inMany]

Wait a second. About that cat in the box... One part of me says it has to be one or the other, dead or alive. Another part of me says it has to be all four, dead, alive, neither and both.

wtf?

Oh, and Belle, don't think you are alone...there are tons and tons of information laid out, and if we didn't each take what we needed at the moment, wouldn't we be on constant overload? Plus...I wouldn't understand it all at any given moment.

[PurpleLama]

In the thought experiment, there was a lethal device connected to a radiation detector, and the cat would be killed upon the decay of a radioactive isotope. The experiment was formulated to show the conundrum from quantum physics, that unless you observe it, it's both. Is it a particle, is it a wave? BOTH! NEITHER!

You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.

If you don't eat your meat, how can you have any pudding?

[donk]

That to stress and thus narrow and confine, is a waste of an existence. That the observance of polarity (extreme stressing) is a fairly essential tool for enabling growth (differential in data is defined as an essential manifestation for growth to occur in those organized energies we might call intelligence, or self reflective awareness, intelligence...which inherently would have 'capacity' for manipulation and change).

Well I'll ask, as much of what you say generally resonates. I'm kinda slow myself.

I want to understand your perception, recognizing (more, less) that as observer (and being observed) have an effect...I think I got the cat/double slit/observer effect down enough. this growth idea though...and the relation to stress (or not stress) and/or the observation of THAT...kindly reiterate?

[Carmody]

Posted by ulli (here)
Strong quake just now. We don't normally feel this.
So for us to feel this, Costa Rica really got a knocking.

4.1 in 'the central valley' area, 3:29pm local time.

[1inMany]

I caught part of a show called Science and the Soul on the History channel this week, I usually don't watch this kind of show. I know the soul exists, and proving it scientifically...well...I suspect it will be proven at some point, but if it isn't, I still know it exists.

Anyway, this show introduced me to this anesthesiologist who has a theory that ties to modwiz' comment

The units of consciousness and sub-atomic particles are only required to put 'x' amount of time into any given reality to qualify as being 'there'.

This Dr. Hameroff has a theory that the consciousness is held in the microtubules in the body. I guess these microtubules appear empty, and scientists never really found what they contain. The show was better than the article, but the mention of him is here http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/qua...-1226507452687

This sort of ties with what you are saying, doesn't it? I suppose it is possible that the consciousness exists in some measure of units, and that it leaves and re-enters, which is what this doctor theorizes. IIRC, he got this notion when wondering where consciousness goes in his patients under general anesthesia...or where consciousness goes when a person has an NDE, or OBE...and where is it contained in the body that it would be able to leave the vessel and return to the vessel.

That was (obviously) interesting to me, but what was even more interesting to me is the notion that when one individual consciousness leaves the vessel, it might possibly rejoin the Total consciousness for a time, leaving it again to enter the individual consciousness...

Now, when reading about the flickering, I am wondering how often we All may be reconnecting, and then forgetting...even multiple times per second? (Thanks, Ernie and Modwiz for that new idea.)

Thank you all so much for keeping this going today, this is fun for me, even if some of it is over my head

Much Love,

[Carmody]

Posted by donk (here)

That to stress and thus narrow and confine, is a waste of an existence. That the observance of polarity (extreme stressing) is a fairly essential tool for enabling growth (differential in data is defined as an essential manifestation for growth to occur in those organized energies we might call intelligence, or self reflective awareness, intelligence...which inherently would have 'capacity' for manipulation and change).

Well I'll ask, as much of what you say generally resonates. I'm kinda slow myself.

I want to understand your perception, recognizing (more, less) that as observer (and being observed) have an effect...I think I got the cat/double slit/observer effect down enough. this growth idea though...and the relation to stress (or not stress) and/or the observation of THAT...kindly reiterate?

The idea of growth... is the change in view, the reach of view. reach of view is due to positions reached.

Reaching positions that are far apart.

In the case of frequencies, it is called the bandwidth. Upper and lower frequency reaches, or extremes, as compared to one another, same as widening one's viewing range, or positions available to observe or be in or from.

To to grow, to move, to recognize I am here, I'm going there, I'm in motion, or that I am here now, I was over there. This, by itself, indicates range, or motion, or state. Differences, or differential. That is cat, this is dog, and so on. That "I AM" is inherently differential. That the stage and the actor must be definably different, in at least some levels and ways, for intelligence and self definition to arise. Sameness means no time, or definable anythings.

That differential rises out of unity. The big bang quandary. the greater the differences that can be held, the more flavors and colors that can be found in them. More growth requires removal from the anchor of sameness.

That one needs to be subjective and identify with the world so it is not destroyed, as it is the same as self.

That objectivism is required so that the self can be defined as separate from the world so that growth can occur. Both. neither. either. All held at once, or at the least switched to effortlessly, as required.

Listening to:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=33R4BZuDxlI

[donk]

I remember when I was into Nassim Haramein (need to revisit, been awhile, so forgive me if I'm off a little), he talked about existence being a series of feedbackloops, constant flickering in and out of all existence as existence itself (observers) feed information back into existence. Kinda like George Green's "thought thinking upon itself" (sure I muddled that up as well).

Where does increased pressure, stress, come in? I am sure I misunderstood, as just being implies stagnation, we wouldn't tend toward growth without some stress, we can't transcend it by causing/creating more...dang I totally lost it on this one...

***just saw your post...gotta mull it over a bit

[Carmody]

Posted by donk (here)
I remember when I was into Nassim Haramein (need to revisit, been awhile, so forgive me if I'm off a little), he talked about existence being a series of feedbackloops, constant flickering in and out of all existence as existence itself (observers) feed information back into existence. Kinda like George Green's "thought thinking upon itself" (sure I muddled that up as well).

Where does increased pressure, stress, come in? I am sure I misunderstood, as just being implies stagnation, we wouldn't tend toward growth without some stress, we can't transcend it by causing/creating more...dang I totally lost it on this one...

***just saw your post...gotta mull it over a bit

One of the world's great sayings is that: "Intelligence is Applied laziness"

Regarding differences....that even sesame Street goes out of it's way to teach 'Near', and 'far'.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iZhEcRrMA-M

[Ernie Nemeth]

The Shroedinger's Cat thought experiment has been proven scientifically in a very clever experiment, and that experiment has been repeated many times now. Without going into details, it has been shown that the observer does in fact determine the state of the light. It was either wave if unobserved or particle if observed - and the particle would "change aspects right in front of the observer".

There are lots of "counter-intuitive" scientific tidbits that our world paradigm has yet to incorporate. After all, quantum theories have been around since the early 1900s but because they imply a reality so bizarre they are ignored in terms of the everyday world. Because they are not incorporated we have to talk of the paranormal and metaphysics to explain otherwise mystical or mystifying experiences. They are mysterious because their mechanics are not understood in terms of Newtonian science.

That apple of Newton's has not yet rolled far from its tree, if you get my pun. Lately, though, it seems things may be changing as new models are being brought forward that illustrate a fundamental rearranging in perspective that promise imminent breakthroughs in understanding and then application and engineering as well.

We'll have to wait and see.

[Carmody]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
The Shroedinger's Cat thought experiment has been proven scientifically in a very clever experiment, and that experiment has been repeated many times now. Without going into details, it has been shown that the observer does in fact determine the state of the light. It was either wave if unobserved or particle if observed - and the particle would "change aspects right in front of the observer".

There are lots of "counter-intuitive" scientific tidbits that our world paradigm has yet to incorporate. After all, quantum theories have been around since the early 1900s but because they imply a reality so bizarre they are ignored in terms of the everyday world. Because they are not incorporated we have to talk of the paranormal and metaphysics to explain otherwise mystical or mystifying experiences. They are mysterious because their mechanics are not understood in terms of Newtonian science.

That apple of Newton's has not yet rolled far from its tree, if you get my pun. Lately, though, it seems things may be changing as new models are being brought forward that illustrate a fundamental rearranging in perspective that promise imminent breakthroughs in understanding and then application and engineering as well.

We'll have to wait and see.

Yep...that my 'heads' coin tosses stopped at the 183 count - as I stopped doing it at that point.

Patient: It hurts when I do this!
Doctor: Well stop doing it, then!

Those realities only remain bizarre until we find the reason behind their seeming incongruity. Which is, in some ways... only ourselves changing and our viewing position changing.

[Wookie]

Patient: touching various points of their body and saying it hurts here.
Doctor: Um, your finger is broken.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[Ernie Nemeth]

Patient: It hurts when I do this!
Doctor: Well stop doing it, then!


Don't you hate it when they tell you the obvious, and are oblivious to the obvious at the same time. I thought nothing could occupy more than one state at a time. Never trust a person from two states, or is that faces? No, its never trust a person with a first name for a last name. Oh, whatever, too long a reach for that one.

Just another illustration of man's potential, used for his detriment.

[yukondiva]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

The books shows mastery of time and the dimensionality of cubic mutual inductance is key to the understanding of the faster than light waves. In fact, as Tesla states in his lab work and many publications he had observed waves as much as 50 times the speed of light from Antharus.

How might that work?

how, might matter be arranged?

How about..geometric function, atomic structuring, and mass as relating to that FTL 'everything' type origin? As we have to go from a 1(all) to a zero(nothing), within this 'realm' (3D linear time/space.)

Why gold? well...gold only has one isotope, or it might be more fair to say that gold only has one resonance, whereas the others have divisional aspects....(gold is known as the most malleable of the metals or elements. It will blend perfectly with just about any of them, but it is very 'sticky' to itself) (why is much of our gold apparently missing/stolen/taken?)

And that 'might makes right'..and if the rest of the universe is 99% plasma and has these FTL aspects inherent in their function, like all matter/waves. That astrology works, as it follows the planetary motions (geometric relation in FTL wave function) and then human flow and blending...then...... are you starting to see this? How could I possibly have precognition unless something akin to this was not true?

How could linear time and 3d matter time/space be as stable an unidirectional as it is..unless....

'Stable' does not mean permanent and immutable in these relations, it merely means stable - resonance and other similar aspects can break it loose from those moorings. That all we see and understand from this 'place/position' originates in the 'future' and the decay into a linear time/space universe is the deal. And that these parameters can be manipulated. Far too easily for some people's comfort. In that context..whatever the hell a 'people' is. As...the meaning of a 'you' or an 'I' changes, doesn't it?

Let me clarify, that this sort of dot connecting information might be a 'most important bit of information' to find, for some, depending on where they are at... in a week, year, or decade. Fly by this post at your own peril.

The final nail in the coffin..was..Tesla saying 'as much as 50x FTL', which becomes the matter origin and vortex geometry and thus all relational aspects of individual wave/particles, and the rise of the common resonance, the linear 3d time/space as a 'dimension' or 'area' . Which is our 'observation point'. The common resonance/universe/view. We call it as being related to 'lightspeed'.

That someone or something does not seem to want us to be aware of the rest.

To clarify, yet again....:


That stability and matter, that stability in matter and unidirectionality of time...can ONLY exist...due to our entire existence essentially being 'in the past'... that ALL is from the future, as projection, into this place.

And then... we observe and live... within a vibration.... that is a commonality of that projection. A bunch of vibrations averaging out into a 'direction', or a 'position of observation and existence'.

Shadows on the cave wall, indeed.

Mind blown

[Ernie Nemeth]

About the two-slit experiment (darn another pet topic). When coherent beams of light are shown onto an opaque surface with only two slits allowing the light through, the screen beyond, that the light falls on will display an interference pattern (like ripples in a pond). What happens, they say, is that the photons (light energy/particle duo) "does not differentiate" and passes through both slits at the same time. Scroedinger's cat was a way to illustrate the profound conundrum that the quantum theory proposes: that the observer affects the observed.

What this meant was that if there was a way to observe a single photon of light as it reached the two slits then the mere act of seeing that transpire would alter the state of the photon. The wave function would collapse and the photon would resemble a particle and pass through only one slit (thereby destroying the interference pattern and replacing it with a series of dark and light bands). For the longest time the equipment with the required sensitivity and speed did not exist. In recent years it has been irrefutably established (for whatever that's worth) that the observer does indeed affect the observed.

This understanding is essential to further refinements, the implications of which are mind-boggling. The dual nature of light is a significant pillar of the scientific model. Consciousness (the observer) is not.

There, I think I'm done.

[donk]

Dang, I never realized Grover is just a young yoda!

This must be Chewbakaa, having let himself go a bit, but older & wiser:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8mB6VsUHw

Good enough for me...


Heh!! Just noticed Wookie on the page! And got home to find the wonderful perfect bracelet ulli made for V (formerly known as "my girl"), favorite dinner in the oven, all the kids home, here & now is way too good... S is for synchronicity, good enough for me!!

[modwiz]

Posted by 1inMany (here)
I caught part of a show called Science and the Soul on the History channel this week, I usually don't watch this kind of show. I know the soul exists, and proving it scientifically...well...I suspect it will be proven at some point, but if it isn't, I still know it exists.

Anyway, this show introduced me to this anesthesiologist who has a theory that ties to modwiz' comment

The units of consciousness and sub-atomic particles are only required to put 'x' amount of time into any given reality to qualify as being 'there'.

This Dr. Hameroff has a theory that the consciousness is held in the microtubules in the body. I guess these microtubules appear empty, and scientists never really found what they contain. The show was better than the article, but the mention of him is here http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/qua...-1226507452687

This sort of ties with what you are saying, doesn't it? I suppose it is possible that the consciousness exists in some measure of units, and that it leaves and re-enters, which is what this doctor theorizes. IIRC, he got this notion when wondering where consciousness goes in his patients under general anesthesia...or where consciousness goes when a person has an NDE, or OBE...and where is it contained in the body that it would be able to leave the vessel and return to the vessel.

That was (obviously) interesting to me, but what was even more interesting to me is the notion that when one individual consciousness leaves the vessel, it might possibly rejoin the Total consciousness for a time, leaving it again to enter the individual consciousness...

Now, when reading about the flickering, I am wondering how often we All may be reconnecting, and then forgetting...even multiple times per second? (Thanks, Ernie and Modwiz for that new idea.)

Thank you all so much for keeping this going today, this is fun for me, even if some of it is over my head

Much Love,

A few things here. The flickering I am referring to is at a basic level of reality. A pulsing of atoms. For instance, let us say the frequency of a given atom is one million times, pulses, a second. To be perceived in this physical realty requires being present for 500 pulses a second, let us say. that would leave 999,500 pulses of free "time" left over for other 'positions' in some other reality. Get out the appointment book, LOL. Chances are much of this time is booked, until freed. Doing time as a piece of wood that is now going into a fire? Well,that gig has ended. Some nanoseconds are now available to be something else. At the quantum level there is no space/time so a given quantum particle can exist in different places, times and dimensions. This propensity is driven by what has been called 'value fulfillment' for units of consciousness.

Now, microtubules. The are little hollow tubes of collagen. They are found in all tissues, it would appear. What is most interesting to me is the finding of cerebral spinal fluid in these tubes. One would have to appreciate the almost(?) esoteric quality of this fluid to get the big aha here. In brief, the consciousness of the body seems intermingled with this fluid. This is the consciousness that controls all autonomic functions, wound closures, bones mending, etc. It is this fluid that is worked with in true cranial sacral therapy. Real practitioners of this healing art contact what is called the "Inner Doctor" to effect quite miraculous work.

To tie this all together, everything is composed of atoms and their quantum particles.