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    Hi:

    I will do my best to not make this a rant, but I want to make a larger point about the “skeptics.” That people such as Mr. Skeptic can actually become famous media darlings for spewing endless lies about people speaks volumes about the West. What he does, and what organized skepticism does, is something right out of Orwell’s’ world.

    The most valuable true skepticism that any of us can practice is skepticism toward our beliefs, toward how we think the world works, toward the roots of our conditioning. Most of my site is an exercise in skepticism. I take a meat ax to the images of the heroes that society told me to admire, such as George Washington:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#blueprint

    Christopher Columbus:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm

    and a man literally up for sainthood, Junípero Serra:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#serra

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#saint

    I did not do it by bringing up unfounded and “conspiratorial” allegations, but I just bring up facts and events, usually written in the hand of those men themselves, which their hagiographers preferred to omit from their tales of glory. In Washington’s case, his greatest achievement was a well-documented conspiracy that none of his biographers can seem to find the courage to mention, a conspiracy that the USA’s federal government engaged in until it had succeeded in stealing a continent, a continent that I call home. Being skeptical of our nation-building lies is a great place to begin to wake up, but the “skeptics” are nowhere to be found. Instead, they lap up the lies. When “skeptics” look at U.S. history, it is “skepticism” that the Iroquois were really very influential to the USA’s Founding Fathers:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#iroquois

    While the U.S. history profession cannot seem to mention Washington’s greatest feat, it also cannot seem to investigate the matter of how influential the natives were on the form of government that wiped out the natives, and it calls the Iroquois influence apocryphal, even though there is plenty of evidence. It is just that historians really don’t want to look at it:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#voltaire

    There is no profit in challenging the dogma, and great risk, as somebody like Ward Churchill can tell you:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post616235

    If you become familiar with Churchill’s work, what they “got” him on was the academic equivalent of putting Dennis in prison for not filing a form. The Establishment never plays fair, but hunts around for the slightest little thing that they can hang people with, and then magnify it a million times, usually fraudulently, and then they burn the heretic at the stake. The “skeptics” play the same game.

    Being skeptical of our nation-building myths is just one area where real skepticism would be valuable, but that is not what the “skeptics” do. Likewise, being skeptical of the attack-the-tumor paradigm would be one of the greatest acts of skepticism I can think of:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#racket

    Where are the “skeptics” in that situation? Again, they are nowhere to be found. In fact, whenever I have seen “skeptics” weigh in on the medical field, it is to attack alternative treatments and practitioners. In medicine in particular, it is worth noting that virtually all “skeptics” are men, as are virtually all of the people that run the medical establishment. Godzilla is comprised almost solely of men, too. Men have the inside track on the dark path. It is partly biological:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#women

    I have stated it many times; if we are going to turn the corner as a species, women need to step up, and not male-model women such as Hillary Clinton, Margaret Thatcher, and Condoleezza Rice, but women who step up with their femininity intact:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/opinions.htm#mystical

    In the medical area, as in all others, the “skepticism” practiced by the “skeptics” is actually a defense of the Establishment. They are skeptical of anything that threatens the orthodox position. That is anything but skepticism.

    Real skepticism is a vital part of real science, but the highly selective “skepticism” of the “skeptics” is a fake product designed to dupe the masses.

    Dan Drasin’s hilarious and brilliant primer on the “skeptics” is twenty this year:

    http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/pathskep.html

    and deserves a birthday celebration.

    The fact that the greatest physicists of history were, to one degree or another, mystical in their orientation, is completely lost on the “skeptics”:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#mystical

    Again, most alternative scientific theory is not valid, but that does not mean that it all is. Skepticism should be aimed in all directions, but the most valuable skepticism is that directed inward, not outward. Real skepticism rejects the easy answers and social conditioning and quests for the truth. You can’t do that in your easy chair. On one hand, being skeptical of the hagiography concocted about society’s “heroes” is not a particularly formidable intellectual exercise. It is, however, a challenging exercise in integrity, and in a world of scarcity, such acts of integrity are anything but encouraged, but attacked from all sides, as the popular delusions are defended. Seeking the truth is not easy work in our world, but it really will set us free. That is the point of my work.

    I have a public service announcement to make. Scott has created a cyber-gathering place that I will make an appearance in on Sunday, in something he calls “The Pub”:

    http://universalspectrum.org/forum/s...-20th-5-pm-est

    He has assured me that he will keep the “skeptics,” trolls, and other assorted assailants at bay for our discussion. I really have no idea what this will be like, and am a little nervous about it, for a few reasons, but we will see how it goes.

    I have one or two more points to make about the “skeptics,” but it is time to run off to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    The perspective of the Michael teachings can be depressing for somebody trying to make this world a better place to live in or help avoid our self-destruction:

    http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_ages.html

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

    http://personalityspirituality.net/a...-the-35-steps/

    as in, if it is to be taken seriously, the story is that our souls came here to play the kill-or-be-killed game, and something like Heaven on Earth removes their opportunity for “experience,” so people instinctually do not like the idea of Heaven on Earth. If that is the case, all I have to say is that it must have been a pretty bad day in Creation when this reality was designed. Is this the best that the Creator could come up with? That is why I am partial to the idea that this not exactly what the Creator intended, and that this is a kind of halfway house for fallen souls or Creation’s dungeon. It is either that, or the Creator and friends are some slipshod creators. If I helped plan Earth school, as I have been told, then what the heck was I thinking? Did I help blow up Atlantis, and am I here to try to set things to right, to clean up my mess? Nobody is letting me in on the joke yet, and all I know is that we can make Earth a better place to live, heavenly even, and if that is not what our souls really want, then I want a new soul or a new Creator.

    The “this is not what was intended” idea can be found in many mystical teachings. There are also teachings that deny the “soul age” aspect of being here, or if they acknowledge soul ages, they can call Old Souls “slow learners.” Other teachings say that the soul age idea does not mean much beyond this plane, because there is not time or space there, so the idea of an “age” is only relevant here. The soul age idea is necessarily a distortion, and is not a valid idea beyond this plane.

    During my days of study in the early 1990s, I met Michael Roads, and I know people who have visited realities like this one:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

    and when I encountered that account by Roads in 1996, after I met him, all I could think of was that the inhabitants of that reality learned the love lessons, and I want to live there at least once before my soul has decided that it has had enough “experience.” Somebody seeing it through the Michael framework might call the inhabitants of that reality a collection of Old Souls, getting ready to move on beyond physical reality.

    And maybe this reality:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

    is for souls that want to see how far they can descend into Creation’s sewer. If we are all creators in our own right, then each of us is co-creating what ours souls want, or perhaps more accurately, we are all puppets of our souls (or fragments, in the Michael parlance), sent here with helpless with no memories, to play the physical reality game and learn its harsh lessons. Michael says that this is the cruelest plane of existence, and I’ll buy that. Roads’s mentor’s summary of where we are today as a species makes sense to me:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#summary

    And maybe the above is all wrong and are instead the deluded musings of soulless bags of chemicals longing for immortality, if Carl Sagan and friends are right.

    Eventually, seekers of truth can throw all of the above away and look at this world with fresh eyes, take the best of what is in their hearts and minds, and do what they can. Any teaching that justifies violence and exploitation is not an enlightened one, IMO. Any teaching that encourages fear and paranoia is not one that I want to embrace. Maybe that is just me, but I’ll take the love and enlightenment part of any teaching, and when the teaching justifies coercion, violence, paranoia, scarcity, hierarchies, and the like, I figure that the teacher is having a bad day or lifetime. I tend to take all of the teachings with a grain of salt. As Michael once said, when the master is here, the teaching is valid, but when the master is gone, the teachings belong in the realm of philosophical literature. A lot is lost in translation, when the master is no longer here. Enlightenment does not come from books.

    All that said, the materialists have long seemed to fit the Young Soul definition to me. Fundamentalists of all stripes seem to fit the Baby Soul definition. Progressives seem to fit the Mature Soul definition, and mystics seem to fit the Old Soul definition. Beats me if it is right, but it provides an explanatory framework that makes sense to me, even if I don’t really like the program. Taking a being’s memories away and casting them into this harsh reality seems pretty cruel to me, and about the only ones that I hear laud the great lessons to be learned here do not live here.

    As Zoosh once said, our souls are greedy for experience, and we pay the price of that greed. The soul does not have to get up at 6 AM to go earn its daily bread. When we finally lay down our mortal coils and the beings of light greet us in an avalanche of love and our memories come back, all I can say is that would be far more helpful to experience that while we are here, not after we leave. If I ever get the chance, I will be making some suggestions to the Creator. The joke is probably that I already did, and the Creator said, “OK, smart lad, you get the opportunity to make your dream happen. Go get ‘em!” And here I am, wondering what the heck I was thinking, asking if I can please go do it something else, and letting that voice know that I am not interested in hearing from it anymore.

    OK, the morning rant is over. Back to the 1990s. While I was doing the deep dive in that array of literature - Earthly, otherworldly, fringe, mainstream, etc. - Dennis was bouncing around and barely survived his prison stint, which was obviously “helped” along by malign interests:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post401301

    Again, after Mr. Professor and I sprung Dennis from jail, I told Dennis that I was finished playing revolutionary and it was time to go make a living, pay for his legal bills, and take a different, lower-abrasion path:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post612739

    The year after Dennis got out of prison, in the spring of 1995 he came to visit me in Columbus. He was rebuilding the effort once again, and I could only look on in slack-jawed awe. I was burning out at my job. Trucking companies are not noted for strong management, and I was bridging the gap in many deficiencies in our organization, and by early 1996, I was reaching the end of my rope:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/trucking.htm#footnotes

    I was drinking heavily, and went on Prozac and other anti-depressants for several months, for the only time in my life. I look back at those days like they were a bad dream. Just as I was going on Prozac, Dennis came to town on his first national tour. I was shocked to see several hundred people at the show, when I expected maybe a couple dozen people:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post422926

    Dennis was flying high again. At the same time, as I would later discover:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post542939

    the Justice Department was subpoenaing his phone records and gagging the phone company from notifying us. In these neo-Orwellian days under the Homeland Security Act, I think it has now been made a crime for the phone company to notify us at all. So, those days in the 1990s were relatively innocent, but the sharks were circling early on for Dennis’s effort then, and we can only imagine how many provocateurs infiltrated our organization. I don’t know if any unmasked themselves like Mr. Texas or Bill the BPA Hit Man did:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#masks

    Mr. Skeptic was not in our organization when he unmasked himself, but if the pattern of the past repeated itself, we had some “sleepers” in our organization, waiting for their chance, and they may have played a more subtle game that time, because as I will get to soon, Godzilla took his game to a new level in 1996 and I nearly went to prison, although I was not aware of it at the time.

    After Dennis’s show, his wife flew me to New Jersey to help them get their accounting operation going, as Dennis was taking off once again. At the same time as those events were happening, Brian O published his Miracle in the Void, and I was that book’s biggest fan:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...cle#post382034

    That was when our relationship really began. Brian and Dennis were both hitting the road, doing public events, and Brian called me one day and said that he and Dennis were speaking at the same New Age conference, and I introduced them and they met at that conference. I doubt that it went too well for them. Dennis was not impressed with Brian’s Lapis Pig (http://www.brianoleary.info/lapispig.html), and when it came time for Dennis’s talk, Brian was tired and took a nap instead. When I heard that, I was surprised, but it became evident that he did not recover from his heart attack in 1992, the year after I met him:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#expo

    Dennis asked Brian point blank if he had seen an FE device that was market-ready, and Brian said that he had not. I heard Dennis’s account of their meeting later that year, and it highlighted aspects of how my perspective was changing back then, in several ways. Back in Ventura, our technical gurus were telling me that to develop our imagined FE device, by hooking up the panels from Dennis’s heat pump to Mr. Mentor’s or Victor Fischer’s engines, was a several year development project, if the contraption would even work (Dennis got a Fischer FE prototype to run for an entire day in about 1998, so maybe the idea was not so crazy). Brian was going public around the same time, saying that an FE development project, for making an FE device market-ready, was a $100 million project, and that it was a no-man’s land in the world of capitalism:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#oleary

    As I studied thermodynamics and patents, gaining a better understanding of what Dennis was doing before I met him with his heat pump:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#new

    I began to appreciate that no matter how immensely talented Dennis was, he was kind of “lucky” to stumble into that heat pump. The heavy lifting of the technology development had already been done by the refrigeration industry. The only exotic piece of Dennis’s heat pump was the panel. Although Dennis spent millions of dollars to develop that heat pump, and eventually came up with a way to industrialize the production and installation of that heat pump:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#develop

    so that it could keep up with his ingenious marketing efforts:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#sfs

    making an FE device with either Fischer’s or Mr. Mentor’s engines as the prime mover was an order of magnitude or two beyond the development of that heat pump, at least from where Dennis jumped into the process. Developing the device from scratch, and getting it ready for the market, was that kind of effort that Brian was referring to, and I was slowly coming to that understanding on my own. It would be a monumental task, even if there was no such thing as organized suppression, even if the money people really came forward and helped.

    Also, my early, naïve notions about inventors had been slowly eroding since those teenage dreams:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

    I knew that in “normal” inventing, the inventors invariably got screwed in the capitalistic shark tank. Virtually no inventor ever got rich by inventing. If he got rich, it was because he was also an entrepreneur who could also survive the shark tank. There is nothing more naïve than a garage inventor, thinking that if just comes up with a working piece of technology, that he is going to get The Muppet Movie ending:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#muppet

    The reality is that he will lose control of his invention, and if it ever gets to market, he will not be the person profiting from it. History has virtually no examples of the rich, tinkering inventor. It is a myth, like the Founding Father myths:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#fathers

    the free press myths:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#big

    and so on. They make for great propaganda stories for managing the herd and ripping off inventors, those lambs to the slaughter, but should not be taken seriously.

    And the screwed inventor stories are for the small stuff. When the game is FE, then they become dead inventor stories:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#_edn56

    But, as Dennis said when he finally coaxed me back with him in late 1996, that road goes both ways. None of the inventors had the right stuff, either. They were all greedy, trying to get rich and famous, which ended up being a weak link motivation that also helped wrecked the efforts. I began to understand that dynamic when I experienced Mr. Inventor’s actions after Seattle:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post140890

    Trying to extort money from us, when we were trying to help him, trying to intimidate me when my world was falling apart, and so on, was when I began to see what Mr. Inventor was talking about when he said that inventors, as a group, where their own worst enemies:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#inventor1

    Among many others, Mr. Mentor and Fischer quickly fled when Dennis was arrested, eventually leaving me as his star witness, and I got my radicalizing moment on the witness stand:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#faces

    when virtually everybody cowered, fled, or helped Mr. Deputy and friends out. My primary lesson, that personal integrity was the world’s scarcest commodity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

    began to get confirmed over and over, during those days of study in the 1990s, as I encountered other over-grown Boy Scouts like me:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

    There are not many like that walking on Earth these days. As I was reaching the end of my rope at my job, stepping down and letting my protégé take over in June of 1996, Dennis was flying high once again, and that summer of 1996 was a legendary time. After Dennis completed that first barnstorming tour, he began a second that lasted that summer. He visited several dozen cities on each tour, and for that second tour, he was promoting Yull Brown like nobody had before or since:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#yull

    Christopher Bird wrote the book on Naessens:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#naessens

    and he was Brown’s biographer, writing numerous articles about Yull, but Christopher died before he could write the book:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...her#post512250

    One thing about Naessens and Yull is that they both had legitimate “exotic” technology that defied the “laws of physics,” Naessens’s microscopes achieving “impossible” resolutions, and Yull’s transmutation experiments with Brown’s Gas yielding “impossible” results:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#yull

    I spoke briefly with Gaston in 1997, and spent an hour talking with his wife, and I have heard stories that Gaston can be hard to work with, although I am somewhat skeptical of the accounts. But if Gaston is hard to work with, he tried mightily to get an industry going around his scopes, with trained technicians. As with Dennis and his heat pump, etc., the “skeptics” never even acknowledge that Naessens has his microscope, even though plenty of footage at those “impossible” resolutions is widely available. I have seen the same thing with the “skeptics” and others regarding Yull’s transmutation experiments: they feign that they never happened.

    While the many “impossible” effects of Browns Gas are really beyond dispute, we eventually found that Yull was like all the other inventors, desiring to get rich and famous above all else. Dennis’s operation got screwed quite badly by Dennis hitching his wagon to Yull, and when it fell apart with Yull in early 1997, Dennis got back together with Fischer, and I had already seen Fischer in action in Ventura and sure did not want to hitch my wagon to his again, and my efforts with Dennis in New Jersey ended a few weeks later, but I get ahead of myself.

    In that summer of 1996, a couple of guys who picked Yull’s brains for a couple of days, promising to get him the money to make his noble dreams come true, instead released a movie, right in the middle of Dennis’s barnstorming tour, that had a thinly-veiled depiction of Yull and Brown’s Gas in it, and had Yull’s technology blowing up part of a city:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ger#post336966

    To release that movie, right in the middle of Dennis’s tour, sure stank of something bad. I discovered a few months later that the Justice Department was getting its ax ready (even though the USA’s Attorney General called Dennis “squeaky clean” a decade earlier http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#squeaky), and it would be another decade before I came to realize that Godzilla was also taking his game to a new level, and we were subjected to an extremely elaborate sting operation in late 1996:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#sting

    and just as the sting operation was going into high gear, along comes Mr. Skeptic, beginning his “skeptical” career:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#friends

    and eventually displaying criminal behavior that came straight from the sewer:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

    But in my great nation, activities like that do not merit prison, but promotions, under-the-table money, getting your face on national TV to broadcast your lies, and so on. I am more than half-convinced that Mr. Skeptic’s appearance on the scene in September 1996 was no coincidence:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#skeptic

    I think that it is more psychologically interesting if his “skeptical” efforts are performed purely out of pathological ego needs, but it seems that Mr. Skeptic is simply doing his job, like Bill the BPA Hit Man, Mr. Deputy, Mr. Texas, etc.

    But in New Jersey, when I finally got back with Dennis, we had another inventor’s sanctuary. Our previous two sanctuaries were criminally violated in spectacular fashion. New Jersey was also violated, but it was a more subtle violation, and the inventors themselves were doing some of the violating. Dennis was trying to get his operations to be inventors’ Meccas in Seattle and Ventura, and he finally succeeded in New Jersey, and that was when the problems with inventors finally became very clear to me. I had come a long way from my days of being raised in an inventor’s workshop:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

    I came to realize that inventors are a big part of the problem. I have never met an altruistic one. They all were in it primarily for the money and fame. They could all talk a good game, but when money came into the equation, or the going got hard, their true colors came out. When I left Dennis’s operation in the spring of 1997, my illusions about inventors were finally shattered in no uncertain terms, and I gained a healthy appreciation of the problems of developing any new technology. The problems with developing FE technology are an order of magnitude or two beyond the normal inventing trajectory, and that is before we even begin to consider the organized suppression! So, when I hear about the inventor of the hour with his gizmo, running off to the patent office, chasing after money, I am not sure if I want to laugh or cry, but the entire FE field is stuck at the tinkering inventor and FE theorist level. That is barely to square one in addressing the problems. Imagine a journey on foot through the jungles and deserts of Africa, let’s say from south of the Congo to the Mediterranean, and what it would take to survive it two hundred years ago. The tinkering inventor in his garage, or the scientist with his FE theories, has not even left his neighborhood yet. They have literally no idea what they are in for. I really don’t want to hear about it, when I get bombarded with the inventor of the hour, whether it is Keshe, Rossi, Steorn, etc. If they even really have anything, they have not even begun. Godzilla has not even rolled out of bed yet for those guys.

    So, this side-tracking thread began with me being asked why I don’t pay attention to the inventor of the hour: it is because they don’t have a prayer! They are like those eighteen-year-old boys the day before they go onto the battlefield:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#business

    The FE field does not need more naïve inventors, full of dreams of fame and riches, trying to scale the ramparts with their gizmos. Having a working gizmo gets the aspirant about one percent of the way to FE, if even that far, and until enough people begin to understand how this world really works, we will continue to see these senseless displays of the inventor of the hour.

    I am trying to do something very different than encourage that suicidal behavior. But before that so-called worthy group forms that an inventor with the right stuff can give it to (which is not my primary purpose for forming the choir, but it could be a side-effect), people have to relinquish their naïve notions, and especially those scarcity-based ideologies that they were conditioned with:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

    and begin to see the world how it is and how it could be, not as the social managers would have the herd believe. I kind of jumped to the end here, and will back up a little and fill in some blanks in the evolution of my perspective in future posts, but I hope to be finished soon with this sidetracking series of posts and get back to the rise of Europe. This is not as sidetracking as it might have seemed, because I was planning to present in-depth examples of Levels 0 to 11:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0

    after my human journey posts, and this was a sketch of several of those layers and how I stumbled through some of them myself.

    Time for chores.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Quote Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
    I have a public service announcement to make. Scott has created a cyber-gathering place that I will make an appearance in on Sunday, in something he calls “The Pub”:

    http://universalspectrum.org/forum/s...-20th-5-pm-est

    He has assured me that he will keep the “skeptics,” trolls, and other assorted assailants at bay for our discussion. I really have no idea what this will be like, and am a little nervous about it, for a few reasons, but we will see how it goes.

    I have one or two more points to make about the “skeptics,” but it is time to run off to work.

    Best,

    Wade
    No worries Wade. The Pub Live chats are very laid back but moderated.
    It really is just as advertised, they are random chats with no set date and anyone can join in, you do not even need to be a member of US forum to join the discussion.
    All anyone has to do is be on Skype when the chats happen, just send me or our resident Bartender VajraYaya a message on US forum or if you are not a member contact me on SKype.

    Information aout the chat can be found here:
    http://universalspectrum.org/forum/s...-20th-5-pm-est

    The Pub Live chats will appear here within a few hours after completion:
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    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    This post will backtrack a little, and sketch some of the terrain I traveled in eventually arriving at my Level 12 choir concept. My father worked his entire career for the federal government. I have worked nearly my entire career for corporations. When I was that trucking company controller, I was running a large part of that organization. Running companies is the hardest thing I have ever done. Getting everybody rowing in the same direction is no easy task. But the primary reason that anybody works in any organization is so they can eat, have a roof over their heads, and clothes on their backs. In the USA, it also means two cars in the garage and many amenities that Americans take for granted, in history’s richest and most powerful nation.

    Once in a while, I think about that, and my journey and why I am here. I am a member of history’s most privileged demographic group: white, educated, American men. And there is really not much that I did to enjoy that status; it was largely due to the circumstances of my birth. Even my high I.Q. is simply something that I inherited. I could have been a millionaire many times over in my journey, if making money was my primary motivation. But my life took different directions, chasing FE and world healing, but I still will likely have millionaire status by the time I retire, almost as if I could not help it. I burned up most of my adult life on the FE quest, and I am still going to be a millionaire, and I can run into the world’s richest man at the movie theater next to my office:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#gates

    Not many people on Earth can have those kinds of opportunities, and I have long considered my good fortune in that regard, especially in relation to my FE journey, that voice in my head, and so on. Part of me has always felt a great responsibility to do something with what I have been blessed with, even though my FE journey can seem to be anything but a blessing. But it was by far the greatest learning experience of my life, and the energy situation is by far humanity’s greatest issue, although the vast majority of humanity is oblivious to that fact.

    When Dennis rebuilt his companies from scratch, time after time, after being wiped out by his “allies,” the local energy gangsters, or by Godzilla’s minions, his personal charisma was largely what drew people to the effort, as well as the mind-boggling sums of money that could attend a successful alternative energy effort. But if Dennis was not there to hold the effort together, it quickly disintegrated, usually in some kind of Orc fight over the One Ring, as fear, greed, and delusions of grandeur infected everybody. In Seattle, I was there because that voice in my head:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice2

    led me down the path. There is still plenty about my personal journey that I am not at liberty to disclose, but if I did, my journey would seem even more preposterous than it already might appear. But in Seattle, with me still reverberating from the lightning bolt that led me into Dennis’s company, what most impressed me was Dennis’s character as the slings and arrows came his way. My spiritual training came in very handy: I spotted a great soul in Dennis. Maybe it takes a Boy Scout to recognize a Boy Scout, but what most impressed me about Dennis few others seemed to notice or care about. That was the primary reason why I was the only person, out of hundreds of people, who chased Dennis to Boston. I did not even know how the heat pump worked when I arrived in Boston:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#chasing

    But I learned quickly. When I raised that money and became his partner:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post578559

    we began to rebuild our organization, and my education on why people became involved began in earnest. Whether they were inventors, salesmen, employees, investors, customers, vendors, and so on, they were all there to serve their self-interest, for a promised economic payoff. We always presented the world-changing and world-healing aspects of FE, but virtually everybody was there for what it could do for them. They would nod at the noble ideal stuff, but their real motivation was revealed when the going got hard. There were exceptions to that, Mr. Professor in particular, but he was one of those needles in haystacks, and that voice led me to him, too:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice3

    In Dennis’s organizations, the prime mover was usually his faith and gumption (and when we really got going, greed), but as soon as he left the room, that feeling quickly faded. You really have to see somebody like Dennis in action to believe it. But as I would see the effect when Dennis entered a room and when he left it, I slowly came to realize that if people where there because they were riding Dennis’s faith coattails, and they were primarily there for their economic self-interest, our efforts really did not stand a chance, not with the repeated attacks that we were receiving from the various predators in the energy industry, especially when they played the inside/outside job with us. Provocateurs such as Bill the BPA Hit Man:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

    and Mr. Texas:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#texas

    would strike from the inside, just as we were being attacked from the outside. When the people in our organizations were there primarily for their self-interest, they were easily manipulated by Godzilla’s minions and the other predators. And then Dennis’s “allies” would also see their chance to steal it all:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#salient1

    When we were in Boston and I lived with Dennis and his family, after all that Dennis had been through, he still had some pretty naïve, overgrown Boy Scout projections onto the motivations of others. He said that people were inherently good and could “believe,” but society had not given them anything to believe in. For a short time, I was under Dennis’s spell in that regard. I was disabused of that notion, however, fairly quickly, beginning when my investors began to attack me, led by a former girlfriend whom I once considered marrying:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post406934

    Ten years later, after Dennis succeeded in coaxing me to come work with him again in New Jersey, he finally admitted that almost nobody really cared. He acknowledged what he had to work with with humanity, and he admitted that he was sifting through the mine tailings of humanity, looking for gold nuggets. It is an amazing testament to his fortitude that he knows what he has to work with and still goes about it the way that he does. Dennis’s wife once told me that Mr. Professor and I were the only two people who really passed the integrity test, in all of their adventures. My reaction to that statement was that a handful of people were not enough to make FE happen, not playing the business and technology development game. And passing the test wrecked our lives and led to Mr. Professor’s early death. Dennis is a better man than me, sifting through those mine tailings, looking for nuggets. In my own way, I am looking for needles in haystacks, but I am not looking for people to lay their lives in the line and put their economic livelihoods at stake. I know that almost nobody on Earth can pass that test.

    When I met Dennis in Seattle, and heard him talk at the Seattle Center on the day that I met him:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#hired

    he was just a businessman trying to sell energy conservation equipment. But in Boston and increasingly ever since, Dennis began to wear his Christianity on his sleeve, as well as his nationalism, even though he knew that America’s nationalistic tales were fake:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#voice

    I saw Dennis appeal to capitalism, “Patriotism,” and Christianity over the years. And as I saw the people that it attracted, I slowly realized that those people were usually there for their self-interest. It was not until after encountering Bucky that I really saw what all of those ideologies had in common - scarcity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

    and they were there for the payoff that the ideology of their choice promised, and it was always some kind of self-serving “reward.” That was the subtle part of it, in that they all promised egocentric rewards, and those rewards were always primarily economic. And the scarcity aspect of those ideologies was the carrot-and-stick part of it. Rewards accrued to the “faithful,” and punishment was meted out for those not in the “club.”

    With my studies since 1989, that began to become clear to me. In American nationalism, those who died and suffered under our imperial boot were of no consequence. Not one-in-a-hundred Americans knows or cares how many millions of people my nation has killed in Afghanistan and Iraq during the past generation.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post599923

    If you add the wars in the 1980s that the USA initiated, aided, and abetted, the death toll in those two nations, where the blood is primarily on our hands, is as many as ten million people. They are levels that would have impressed Hitler and Stalin, and they pass completely out of the awareness or caring of my fellow citizens, as the juggernaut rolls onward, with our imperial projects since we “liberated” Iraq. Overthrowing the Libyan government, to catastrophic effect, and we are well on our way in Syria, as another pawn on our way to the big goal, taking down Iran, which just has too much oil and potential influence in the region. Israel is still the largest foreign “aid” project in history, as the USA keeps pouring in billions of dollars per year into our imperial outpost in Hydrocarbon Country, although it is just one outpost of several today, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    The citizens of my nation definitely do not have the right stuff to make FE happen. The USA's military is the greatest force of evil on the planet today, cheered on endlessly by its imperial citizens. But Americans are not some kind of new species; they are just people, as can be found anyplace else on Earth, which is why the geographical approach to FE will not work:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#geography

    There is no group of the “good people” on the planet, and there never has been. The people with the right stuff are very few and far between. I am trying to take advantage of the first global communication technology to see if I can find enough needles, but I will not be asking of them what Dennis has. I am only looking for singers, not soldiers.

    Another thing that I noticed about our efforts was that nearly everybody was scientifically illiterate. Heck, Dennis is scientifically illiterate. When people did not understand even the basics of the physics behind Dennis’s heat pump or the hydraulic heat engines that we were pursuing, they were quickly drawn off to all manner of sideshow and spectacle. They really did not understand how energy ran the world, and how revolutionary FE could be. All they could see was the business opportunity that Dennis presented, and when the business opportunity went away as we were wiped out, they went back to watching TV and looking for other opportunities.

    As I saw that dynamic happen over and over, my enthusiasm for Dennis’s approach began to wane. My “cognitive dissonance” really began in Seattle, but it did not really sink in deeply and crystallize until my stint with Dennis in New Jersey, as I saw what kind of people his patriotic, Christian, capitalistic approach attracted. When he began to rebuild after he got out of prison in 1994, he actually began with volunteers, and there were some people with a lot of the right stuff joining up, but they were really only a relative few, not nearly enough to get the army moving that was needed to make FE happen.

    To those who I am reaching with this Avalon thread, if you have not figured it out already, let me reiterate this point: those who really understand what I am talking about and are motivated to help, even just by singing, are less than one-in-a-thousand in the general population. If you really are “getting” my message, it is guaranteed that almost nobody around you will. Your friends, family, colleagues, and co-workers will regard your FE and Heaven on Earth talk as strange and even frightening. At best, they will get to Level 8 (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level8) and wish you the best, crazy person that you are. People have burned at stakes and died on crosses with messages like mine. As Brian O said, the FE journey is a very lonely one:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#lonely

    And it is even far lonelier than being in the small FE community, which I no longer have much to do with. Virtually nobody in that community has the right stuff, either. I have wrestled with doing this, and I may still not do it, but I may identify some of the people in the FE community and periphery who have attacked Dennis dishonestly:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#libel

    Dennis is the Indiana Jones of FE, and should have died twenty times by now, but almost all that has come from the FE and alternative energy community have been attacks and libel. Brian O was one of the good guys, and what initially attracted me to him was that he was the first person that I saw from the FE community who wrote about Dennis and did not attack him. To this day, he is virtually alone on that score. Dennis is either not mentioned at all or subjected to libelous attacks. That is partly why Brian O said that the people who will make FE happen will be new to the field:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#new

    Dennis is far from the only FE Real McCoy out there, but most of them over the years were wiped out, with their lives wrecked. There are only a few still standing, but they are not enough. Dennis is the only person on Earth that I know of who could successfully complete this application:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

    and the hero’s approach to FE needs at least ten like Dennis, combining their efforts, before such an effort would have a snowball’s chance. A hundred like Brian, or a thousand like me, could also have a chance, but the numbers are not there. But could ten thousand like Ilie be found and taught to sing? That is my experiment, and I have not really begun it yet. Avalon is kind of a warm-up, as will be my appearance in Scott’s Pub today:

    http://universalspectrum.org/forum/s...-20th-5-pm-est

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post619626

    As Scott just assured me, he has no worries that my assailants will show up, but that is probably not my main concern, but instead I have a kind of performance anxiety. I really do not think that fast on my feet, not compared to people like Dennis. I am more of a plodder, where realizations can take years to form and sink in. That, combined with my patience issues and the daily pressures of my life, make me doubt that I will ever be very good in a “Pub” kind of setting. I am not a man of the people like Dennis and Brian. When I watched Brian in this workshop in Barcelona:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=dLp_0V127eU

    my primary reaction was being impressed with how he handled all the jabbering at the beginning, as people nearly shouted their theories about how to make FE happen. They at least realized that the capitalistic path was not the way to go, but when that one guy said that you just had to have a working FE device on your desk, that people could come and see, I laughed at that. When you have a working model that people can just walk up to and watch, and you can survive the day after first demonstrating it, you will be 99% of the way to making FE happen. People like Adam have demonstrated working FE prototypes, as did Sparky:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet

    and making those demonstrations is when their fun just began. Sparky’s end was grim:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sparky

    and Adam has survived dozens of murder attempts. Lone inventors, displaying their wares like that, do not have a prayer in today’s environment.

    What really impressed me with Brian’s talk was how he just let them jabber on, and by the end of his talk he made his points very calmly and subtly, and I doubt that many in that room really understood what he was talking about.

    Also, it was at an event very similar to that Barcelona conference where Brian was approached by the military, and he nearly died the next day after refusing their “offer”:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#attack

    When I see gatherings like that, many bad memories come back. That night when I met Dennis:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#hired

    Bill the BPA Hit Man’s lawyer tried to disrupt the proceedings. When Dennis spoke at a conference after he got out of jail and was under virtual house arrest, Bill wrecked Dennis’s efforts there:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm#global

    When we had that show near our offices in January 1988:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#deputy

    Mr. Deputy was in the audience, and the next day was readying the search warrant for the raid. The night of that show, Dennis was flying high. We had a dinner that evening, at a restaurant across the street from the jail. People from around the nation were there, some of whom Dennis reconnected with from his days before Seattle, and it was quite the event. I vividly recall looking across what became a banquet room, our entourage was so large, and thinking about what it all meant. Two days later, Godzilla dropped his first sledgehammer on us.

    When Dennis put five thousand people into a sports stadium to talk about FE, which is the largest such gathering in world history:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#philly

    not only were federal officials in the audience, prepared to arrest Dennis and Yull if they performed their transmutation demonstration with Brown’s Gas (Dennis was still on parole at the time, and Yull spent twelve years in Soviet gulags and Turkish prisons, and they both decided to avoid jail and did not perform the demonstration, which helped take the wind out of Dennis’s sails), but Mr. Skeptic was in the audience, and he began his “skeptical” career the next day. Also in the audience were about thirty-five people who tried to lure Yull away from Dennis on the eve of the show:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#second

    When we began to plan our first NEM conference, and Eugene Mallove was murdered a few days after he committed to being our first speaker:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#portland

    Brian immediately began to plan his move to South America, and he moved away mere days after that NEM conference ended, and I did not blame him.

    As I have been going more public in recent years, I was invited into a conversation with one of FE’s big names and decided against it. Godzilla delivered a death threat to that name, mere minutes after I declined the invitation. The death threat was not directly related to me, but I was “in-the-room,” so to speak.

    I know that Godzilla has not forgotten about me, and he will be listening to my appearance in The Pub. For now, he only watches and listens, and for people whom I am looking for, to join the choir, they do not have to worry about Godzilla’s minions appearing at their homes. But I am being careful about whom I interact with, and as long as I am active, members of the choir should not have anything to worry about, unless they begin to encounter people who whisper those sweet nothings of self-interest. Those who try to enlist them into an FE effort, or who tell them that they should make a living singing the FE song, and present their plans for raising money and “doing something,” will either be the effort’s weak links or will be acting on Godzilla’s behalf, either as a provocateur or dupe. If the choir idea has a chance, those in the choir will have enough integrity and be worldly enough to avoid being seduced by those entreaties, and they will come, believe me. As I have said before, when the Black Hats appear, they always try to look like Boy Scouts so they can get close enough to sink their daggers in or play the Pied Piper for their dupes that they hive off. When the so-called White Hats approached us, they played covert action games, with anonymous phone calls in the night and other sneaky behaviors.

    In The Lord of the Rings, the agents of Sauron were pretty slick, with a seductive message, while everybody in Bree treated Strider as some kind of scoundrel. It works like that in real life, too.

    Time for chores, before I go have brew at The Pub.

    Best,

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    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    My experience in Scott’s Pub was OK, and I’ll likely do it again. The recording of it should be posted soon. It was definitely not The Wade Show, with the others being as active or more so than me, and that was fine. Scott looks the part of a bartender and has the personality for it, and I can just see him pouring stiff ones for his patrons as they chat, but he insists that The Pub is not his idea and that he is not the bartender.

    I think that for now, I will not identify the FE scoundrels that I am aware of, who lie about Dennis:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#libel

    But anybody who surfs a little on Dennis can easily find the most famous libel piece. I have also mentioned that Thrive promotes that libel piece:

    http://www.thrivemovement.com/the_co...rgy_technology

    and Foster’s only reaction to my information was to remove the word “excellent” from his description of that essay. Another prominent effort promotes that libelous essay, and even made a shorter version of that essay that omitted the libel, to try to please me, as they were trying to recruit me into their organization, after I told them that I could not join an organization that libeled Dennis. I left another organization because it embraced that libeler. I have been hit about twenty times by that essay over the years, as people send me links to it and have even handed it to me in hard copy, as they said what a great piece of analysis it was! That lack of discernment is endemic on the fringes, but it can be fatal in the FE field.

    That Mr. Skeptic is part of an FE organization is bad enough:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

    with my warnings falling on deaf ears there, too, but for a libeler to be heavily promoted as a leading voice in the FE field speaks volumes for why we do not have FE today. Godzilla and the other predators definitely play their role, but the members of the FE field are often their own worst enemies, and when outsiders begin promoting FE and knowingly promote libelers as the leading voices in the field, something stinks pretty badly. But I think that it is just another example of personal integrity being the world’s scarcest commodity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

    That lack of integrity and discernment is exactly why people such as Bill the BPA Hit Man:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

    and Mr. Texas (whom I recently did identify https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ell#post585787) can wreak such havoc when they get on the inside, and strike just when the attacks are coming from the outside.

    FE efforts built on such shaky foundations do not have a prayer, not with a vigilant Godzilla and the public’s inertia. Those kinds of behaviors are why Brian O said that FE will happen with people new to the field:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#new

    which was a backhanded admission that the people in the field today generally do not have the right stuff. As far as I know, Dennis is not pursuing FE these days, and he is about the only person in the field today that I would recommend, although I certainly do not keep up on it anymore. I have rarely seen any FE efforts, where some of the names joined forces, that lasted very long, as conflicts drove them apart. I really do not plan to join any other FE efforts, and the choir will not be beholden to any FE effort, but will be independent, trying to form an environment that can encourage FE to happen. But that is a heavy lift and a long ways off. But stuff like Ilie’s thread on what becomes obsolete with FE:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...by-Free-Energy

    is a perfect example of the kind of singing that I have in mind.

    Again, this series of posts began with me being asked why I don’t pay attention to the inventor of the hour. There are several reasons, and I’ll recap some of them here:

    1. Godzilla removes the good stuff from circulation almost immediately, with his carrots and sticks, and what is left over to entice the fringe enthusiasts is usually stuff that does not work. There is a mountain of chaff out there for every kernel of wheat.

    2. Even for the stuff that does work, nobody has ever developed anything remotely close to being market-ready, although demos like Sparky Sweet’s can sure look seem like they are ready for the market, but that is an illusion.

    3. The technology is really a tiny part of the problem – Godzilla has developed FE, antigravity, and related technologies to polished, market-ready levels, and some have seen what they snuck out the back door for a minute (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground). The problem is a sleeping public and FE aspirants who are their own worst enemies, even leaving their naïveté aside.

    4. An inventor demonstrating his gizmo has been done many times before, and plenty of it was legit. But the inventor who says, “This is mine,” is easily derailed. Inventors applying for patents, raising money, and the like, are lambs to the slaughter, in many ways. The only prayer that the inventor path has is for an inventor with the goods to give it to a worthy group that can protect it and bring it forward. I have never met the inventor with the goods willing to give it away, and that worthy group does not yet exist, and in the examples above, of FE efforts embracing known scoundrels, only emphasize that that worthy group does not yet exist.

    5. I also have had a bellyful of watching naïve inventors being led to the slaughter, even eagerly chasing after their own demise, with visions of fame and fortune motivating them, and I really don’t want to look anymore. The inventor path is about zero-for-50,000 so far, for those that actually had something, and I don’t know what magic qualities the latest aspirants have that the others did not have.

    What I am trying to get going is radically different than anything that I have ever seen anybody else try, and I have no idea if it will work, but I have to try. It bears no resemblance to cheering on the inventor of the hour and gawking at his gizmo. The members of the choir will be worldly, they will understand the rudiments of how energy runs the world, they will understand what the potential of FE is (which is even hard for me to imagine), they will understand what the issues are, and they will be able to sing before somebody delivers an FE device to their homes. Those who want to see an FE device in action before proceeding further need to go looking someplace else, and those who want to go “do something” in the FE field can either begin their own independent effort (and I don’t want to hear about it), or they can join up with those efforts already existing, but there are none today that I would recommend.

    I sketched examples of Levels 4 to 11 in this sidetracking thread. One day, I may go more into depth on them. I already gave a long series of posts on the problems of Level 10:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post421441

    I give examples of Levels 0 to 11 on my chart:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0

    and could give many examples of all the levels, but I am most sympathetic to people thinking in Level 10 terms, and you could hear echoes of it in yesterday’s The Pub conversation, but FE is the big one, Godzilla knows it well, and there is no way in hell that a Level 10 effort will work in today’s environment, not one that panders to scarcity-based ideologies such as nationalism, capitalism, organized religion, scientism, etc., to gain enough “social cohesion” to get a group formed. The so-called radical left is into “protest,” and not positive solutions so much. When somebody “protests,” they are playing the victim game. All scarcity-based ideologies appeal to the victim mentality and are egocentric:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

    They are all based on fear, just as conspiracism and structuralism are:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#weakness

    An effort based on love is the only one that I see with a chance, and the only one that I am interested in anymore. But the head also needs to be engaged in ways that almost nobody has ever accomplished, and comprehensive thinkers are needed:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing

    which is what my upcoming essay is intended to help form a framework for. We will see how it goes.

    OK, back to the rise of Europe. I have been studying economics recently, or what passes for economics. When I study the classical economists or Marxian economists, what keeps striking me is how they never really address the energy situation, not in anything like a scientific fashion. That trend has lasted into the present, and I have long pondered why that is. I think it is partly because the science of energy really did not exist in the days of Smith’s The Wealth of Nations and Marx’s Communist Manifesto and Capital. The classical economists were largely flacks for the capital class, making it seem like what Marx called primitive accumulation was some natural and benign event, just saving up their surplus. What Marx made clear was that capitalism, and its predecessor, mercantilism, were movements drenched in blood, where the “means of production,” were violently taken from the peoples, turning them into wage earners. I am currently reading Perelman’s The Invention of Capitalism. But in all the investigations and debates, and even “radical” economic proposals such as Parecon:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#parecon

    energy is not even mentioned. All economic theory that I have seen is about social organization and the exchange aspect of economics. The very engine of life on Earth and production, energy, is totally off of their radar, or dealt with in such irrational fashion that most scientists, especially those who understand the energy issue, have little respect for economists:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm#econ

    Economists the world over have laid an abstract layer of the financial economy over the real one, and have emphasized social organization and exchange, and made the energy issue invisible or marginal. That is just one more reason why FE and abundance is unimaginable to the masses and academics.

    Every single group that I ever encountered (other than FE groups) wore some kind of ideological blinder that made FE and abundance an unimaginable concept, and it took me many years to finally understand what all of those ideological blinders had in common: the scarcity assumption.

    So, as I sketch the rise of Europe and its conquest of the world, it will be in real terms, not the abstractions and obfuscations of economists. All of the analyses that I have respected have had their awareness rooted in the energy issue, and saw that while social organization and exchange were aspects of the economic development of the West, they were always subservient to the energy issue. Those energy-centric analyses were all taking a scientific approach, which was what attracted me to the Peak Oilers ten years ago, but they are also the most heavily-entrenched Level 3s:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level3

    and so it goes.

    Time for chores, and my next posts will continue with my rise of Europe narrative.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hail all

    Our `The Pub`live chat with our special guest Wade Frazier went really well on Sunday, this one was a mix of public speakers and forum members, not that our bar conversations are limited to forum posters & public speakers, literally anyone can pop on the live audio Skype chat and just listen or speak up as they like.

    Our main topic was free energy but we covered many subjects (as usually happens with Pub chats)
    We also had 2 other special guests, Gary Evans & Dr. Joseph Marra.
    Forum members Vajrayaya, Reaver, Harley & myself were also leaning against the Bar

    Listen to the conversation here:
    http://universalspectrum.org/forum/s...t-Wade-Frazier

    Just remember this is not an interview, its more like an unstructured round table discussion with random people joining the chat who may never have had a chance to speak to alternative researchers & public speakers.

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    It is really too bad that I gave up drinking in 2000. Maybe we could throw some darts next time.

    Update..

    I listened to most of the Pub show last night. I could hear some of it better than I did when we recorded it, and as I understood more, the show was better than I remembered it when we recorded it.
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    Hi:

    I just looked back, to when I left the rise of Europe for those sidetracking posts, and it was over a month ago:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post598738

    As I was listening to that Pub conversation last night, I mentioned the kind of full-circle journey that I made. When I got that teenage dream of changing the energy industry:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

    I had a pretty good idea of how energy ran the world, but it was the teenage version of that understanding. During my days with Dennis, we had an understanding of the radical potential of his heat pump, and if we could do FE, we knew that its global potential was hard to imagine. In one of his books, Dennis said that my first love was the environment. I never told him that, but I guess my love for nature was evident. But the potential of also righting humanity’s ship was huge. That FE could save the environment and right humanity’s ship was one of those “too good to be true,” notions, but it began to dawn on us that it was the case. Again, I can’t overemphasize what a learning experience it was to mount an FE effort and seeing what all got stirred up. That Godzilla watched and eventually got involved was just one dimension of many, and far from the most important. The lessons that I learned about humanity were life-changing and sanity-threatening, not so much the realization that Godzilla was alive, vigilant, and very good at what he did. Godzilla can operate at a very subtle level. I did not realize that we were subjected to that sting operation until ten years later:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#sting

    Most of the organized suppression that Dennis was subjected to over the years was likely initiated by the local predators. While Bill the BPA Hit Man was a Godzilla asset:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

    what happened in Seattle was primarily the local energy industry protecting its turf:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

    and I am unsure if Bill was a Godzilla asset long before he met Dennis, or if he was recruited by Godzilla after his Seattle performance. He developed his fake alternative energy credentials a decade before he was sicced on Dennis. I consider it very possible that he was a Godzilla asset from the beginning of his alternative energy “career” and earlier, but I could be wrong.

    Again, I did not hear about the billion dollar offer that Dennis got just before he was arrested until eight years later:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...and#post542939

    It was not until Bill showed up at that conference that Dennis spoke at, more than a year after he was arrested:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm#global

    that I suspected that he had a Godzilla-ish role, and was not just a thug that the electric companies hired. It was not until two years after that event that I saw the evidence of Bill’s infiltration of the alternative energy field:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm#uspa

    and the picture became clearer. There were many areas like that in my journey, where I would live through events but not understand the bigger picture of what was happening until many years later. Similarly, my understanding of the role that energy plays in the human journey is one that has evolved over time. I wrote my energy racket essay:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm

    in about 2001, before I heard of Bucky:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

    before I encountered the Peak Oilers:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm#fossil

    before I encountered Tainter:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#tainter

    or the many scientists and scholars that you will see me refer to in my upcoming essay. I still wrote my vision of what FE could mean to the planet and humanity in 2001:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

    and as I look back at it, there still is not a lot that I would change about it, but my upcoming essay will take it to another level, integrating it into a much more comprehensive awareness than I had in 2001. The more I studied geophysics, biology, evolution, the history of the human journey, and so on, the more I saw how central and critical the energy issue was. And the more people that can understand that, the more who can keep their eye on the ball, and the better chance we will have of making FE happen. I made the point in the Pub conversation, and I can’t overemphasize it: energy is the big one. The primary reason why there is an ET cover-up is not to prevent some kind of War of the Worlds reaction:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lds#post493856

    but to keep the lid on the technologies that would come with open interaction with the ETs, such as FE and antigravity. Godzilla would no longer have a death grip over the world economy, and hence, humanity. Most people already believe that we are not alone in the universe and that the ETs have already arrived, so it really won’t be a big deal when Disclosure happens, not from the perspective of humanity’s self-image. Unless the ET presence leads to the economic innovations that FE and related technologies can bring, it really will not be that big a deal, other than most of the world’s religions getting stretched out of shape, but Christians have already gotten used to the idea that the New World existed, even though the Bible did not say it did. The universe is a big place, and humanity has known for quite some time that Earth is not the center of it. Acknowledging the ET presence is only one more step on the way to understanding our place in the universe. But FE has practical implications in our lives that are not possible without FE. When I hear people say that abundance has nothing to do with energy, I immediately know that they are not scientifically literate or have not really thought about the issue much.

    In ways, my upcoming essay will be like Heinberg’s work in places:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#introduction

    like Tainter’s in others:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#tainter

    like Peter Ward’s or Brian Fagan’s or Thomas Homer-Dixon’s or Bucky’s or Nick Lane’s in others, but it will have my unique perspective that was informed by my preposterous journey. Unlike the rest of them, I chased after FE and went through that particular meat grinder and lived to tell the tale. There are not many on the planet today who have had that experience, especially who are still sane and writing about it. My background, studies, and experiences have given me a perspective that, for better or worse, is unique, and is responsible for developing my choir idea. I have no idea if the idea will work or if I can really get that choir idea off the ground, although what I have seen at Avalon so far gives me reason to be optimistic.

    I have also seen the many ways that Godzilla intervenes:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#risk

    and I have a pretty good idea of when he intervenes and why, and I am going to do what I can so that he does not step on me or the choir, but that also means that I have to be very selective on who can be in the choir, because I have heard far more stray notes than those that hit the mark. This is not some New Age or conspiracist flavor of the day, where fringe enthusiasts and conspiracists can come and play. This is far more interesting and threatening to Godzilla than all the conspiracist yarns and New Age pabulum put together, and I have to be careful, not only because I do not want to be stepped on again, but because I already have enough blood on my hands in this lifetime and do not want to live with any more on my conscience.

    We will see if my upcoming essay can form a comprehensive center that can be used to begin choir practice, to also be built on by the contributions of others. A one-man-show is not going to get the job done, and the more that can learn the song and sing it, the less of a target I will be, and that is one of my goals.

    England was where the Industrial Revolution began, but it is not where the rise of Europe began. Again, after the fall of Rome, Europe became a pretty backward place compared to the Fertile Crescent and vicinity. All of the Mediterranean periphery suffered a population collapse, not just Rome, as the environment was wiped out, but the rise of Islam was the big event in early medieval times. While the Catholic Church burned all of the Ancient Greek works that it could get its hands on, when the Christian armies began to beat the Islamic armies, the capture of the library in Toledo marked the beginning of the reintroduction of the Greek teachings into Europe:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#toledo

    As I have already mentioned, Europe had been on the rise since the beginning of the Medieval Warm Period, around 800 AD:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lls#post591797

    and the beginning of the “Reconquest” of the Iberian Peninsula only slightly predated the Crusades:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#crusade

    as Europe began to flex its muscles. That militarization of Europe was an integral part of its rise. Beginning with the Reconquest and Crusades, and accelerating with the wars of the 1300s, Europe gradually turned violence into a science, where the rest of the world regarded it as more of a sport. When Europe gained the technical competence to sail the world’s oceans, which no other culture had ever accomplished to any significance, it used the world’s greatest energy technology of the time to inflict its violence and oppression onto the world’s peoples:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post591797

    to truly catastrophic effect. The depopulation of the New World in the sixteenth century:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#first

    the enslavement of millions of Africans, beginning in earnest in the seventeenth century, to replace the New World’s natives that died out in bondage, the conquest and rape of India, beginning in the 1700s:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#bengal

    to be succeeded by the conquest of China the next century, under the rubric of “free trade,” to the theft of North America and Australia by “settlers” from the British Isles:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#steal1

    to the scramble for Africa in the late nineteenth century:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#scramble

    it was one unending disaster for non-Europeans the world over. The imperial rivals fought each other over the spoils of a planet, but when the latecomers to the game found the entire planet claimed by the European powers and their descendants, then we had two wars between the imperial powers that threatened to extinguish humanity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#dropping

    and we have been tippy-toeing along the edge of the abyss ever since, but as Michael said, most of the time when a sentient species wipes itself out (which leads to the question if it really was sentient), it usually does it by wiping out its environment, not via warfare:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#age3

    We are in the middle of a race between warfare or wiping out our environment today. Are we really a sentient species? I think that the issue will be resolved in my lifetime. We are either going to wake up or take ourselves out, while taking most complex life with us. There does not appear to be too much middle ground, or if there is, it would certainly not be a world that I would want to live in.

    My posts from here on out will try to stay focused on the rise of Europe – both how it happened and what it meant to the world. It was not all horrific. Tapping the energy that powered the Industrial Revolution was an event without precedent in human history. For all the bloodshed and oppression that Europe inflicted on the world during its rise (which is what also allowed Godzilla to form and thrive), we have had the technological means to turn Earth into a heavenly place for the past century or so. As we stare at the edge of the abyss, we also have the means to make Heaven on Earth happen, but we are not going to stumble into it. It is time to exercise our sentience in ways that humanity has never done before, but it all begins in the heart.

    Time for work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    The rise of Europe obviously was attended by several dynamics, but it would have not happened unless Europe had achieved the technological prowess to be able to tap the energy of the high seas to transport their people to conquer the world. The Mongol Hordes were able to take advantage of the best land transportation in the pre-industrial world, the horse, and conquer huge swaths of the Old World, but Europe was able to take the conquest game up an order of magnitude when they conquered the world. Both conquests were catastrophes for the conquered. Islam never recovered from the Mongol invasions. The Reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula and the Crusades into the Middle East were sideshows compared to the Mongol invasions.

    In Fagan’s The Great Warming, on the Medieval Warm Period, he surveys the research on the issue, and a leading theory on the Mongol invasions is that the prodigious droughts of the Medieval Warm Period are what drove the Mongols out of their homelands, to go conquering. The Mongol invasions drove China off the oceans, as they had to focus their efforts on the Mongol invasions. The Indian Ocean is the world’s most navigable, with its predictable and relatively tame weather, compared to the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Many are familiar with Gavin Menzies’s 1421, which makes the case that the Chinese sailed to America before the Ming Dynasty pulled their fleets off the oceans. Serious scholars regard Menzies’s work as pop scholarship that is highly speculative, like Graham Hancock’s and the usual suspects of writing those grand yarns for the lay audience. I stay away from stuff like that, as they almost always are found to be wanting. I began to see the failings in works like that when I was fifteen:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...tek#post271057

    I have long been aware of many theories of the Old World peoples that sailed to the New World before Columbus. Other than the brief Viking settlement in Newfoundland, the evidence for Old World contact is thin. There is unequivocal evidence that for thousands of years, crippled Japanese fishing boats landed on the west coast of North America, especially on the Olympic peninsula, but that was a shipwreck situation, not sailing here and back on expeditions. If there were any regular visits by Old World peoples to the New World before the Vikings and Columbus, there is virtually no evidence of them. There is also evidence that European sailors, the Basques in particular, found the rich fishing grounds off of North America, such as the Grand Banks (recently destroyed by Canada’s industrial fishing practices, and we will see if and when it recovers), before Columbus sailed. But if they did, they were more exploiting “secret fishing holes” than engaging in contact with the Indians. Columbus’s voyage marks the beginning of continual Old World contact with the New World, to genocidal effect on the natives:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#genocide

    But I want to back up a little and cover the dynamics that led to that fateful voyage of 1492. As Rome fell, the entire Mediterranean suffered a population collapse, as did Western Europe. A leading theory today is that the environmental depletion of the land’s carrying capacity, with all of the deforestation and desertification, is what brought on the collapse. Basically, they ran out of energy. For several centuries, Rome declined and fell, and the aftermath is what is called the Dark Ages today. Scholars today say that they were not so dark as popularly imagined, but that is relative. The population collapsed, as did the cities, and the level of “civilization” that Rome achieved was in significant ways not rivaled until the Industrial Revolution. Some of Rome’s civic infrastructure is still in use today, in Italy, France, and elsewhere.

    The Medieval Warm Period marked the slow recovery of Europe from the days of Rome, and by the 1000s, there was a great deal of city-building, and the Reconquest and Crusades were wars against Islam. That is also when the Jewish people began their rough ride in Europe:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#crusade

    As I wrote earlier, Europe began to also exploit water power like no other culture ever did:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lls#post591797

    By the end of the Medieval Warm Period, the watermills of Western Europe were performing the work of millions of people. That was a direct contribution to Europe’s standard of living, tapping that energy source, and when the Black Death and other catastrophes happened in the 1300s, those mills could keep on chugging, and that energy boost is surely part of why Europe’s cities did not collapse during those catastrophes. I have not seen a scholar make that connection yet, and I will be looking for treatments of that issue this year. It had to have a significant impact on Europe’s stability in the wake of the catastrophes of the 1300s.

    That reintroduction of the Greek teachings via the Islamic libraries (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#toledo ) led to the rise of humanism and the Renaissance, which began in the city-states of Northern Italy in the late 1300s. The Renaissance was a kind of precursor to the Enlightenment. The Renaissance led to Martin Luther nailing up those 95 theses, and the Catholic Church then had its greatest threat to its hegemony since the Cathars:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#cathar

    The wars of the 1300s were mere warm-ups for the wars of the 1500 and 1600s, leading to the Thirty Years’ War, which was the most devastating conflict ever before fought in Europe, with several million people dying, and the concept of “Total War” becoming ingrained:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#thirty

    Those wars coincided with Europe’s conquest of the world, and it was no coincidence. The social organization needed to mount wars lasting many years was something new to Europe. Warfare became a far more professional affair for Europe. The transformation of Europe to a permanent warfare state is still with us today. My great nation has been in a permanent warfare state for my entire lifetime. The aftermath of World War II was when the USA became a national security state, and recent laws such as the Homeland Security Act are right out of Hitler’s playbook.

    Being able to sail the high seas, was a great technical achievement that did not come overnight. Europe had been trying to outflank its hated Islamic rivals for centuries and get at the spice trade directly. Portugal was the first out of the gate, and it mounted an impressive effort for such a small nation, and encouraged the development of the technology that allowed them to mount oceanic voyages, which began sailing down the coast of Africa.

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#portugal

    It took Portugal about fifty years to finally sail around the end of Africa, and in the meantime, it helped itself to slaved and gold in Africa, beginning a trend that marked the next few centuries of “discovery.” When Portugal finally sailed around the end of Africa, nobody on the periphery of the Indian Ocean could withstand their military prowess, and Portugal violently wrested the spice trade from those peoples. That event was much bigger news than what “Wrong Way Columbus” stumbled into, as he tried to find a backdoor to the spice trade on Spain’s behalf. In the early days of the rape of the New World, the gold, slaves, and harems were nice side benefits, but the primary quest was still the rich lands of Asia, and Magellan eventually found a way:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#magellan

    which was, as usual, a catastrophe for those the expedition encountered. But the same year that Magellan found a route to Asia, Cortes stumbled into the first “high civilization” in the New World:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#biggest

    and soon, the biggest Gold Rush of all time was mounted, which lasted for a century in the New World, and would later help the USA expand across North America. Sailing the high seas, to plunder the world’s peoples, was hazardous duty and not something that the elites of Europe did, but those voyages were manned by the dregs of European society, and they would make virtually no enlightened contact with the world's people during the entire Age of Discovery. The arrival of the White Man was always a catastrophe.

    Time for work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    My writings about the FE scoundrels have stirred things up a little. The “funny” part is that I have tried to ignore them and go about my business, but doing what I do ends up attracting them to me, or maybe more accurately, FE newbies and fellow travelers end up bringing me face to face with those scoundrels, and it is never a pleasant experience. The scoundrels are all low-integrity individuals, even criminals, and I try to steer clear of them. But I also have watched newbie after newbie, and even veterans in the field who should know better, get into bed with the scoundrels. I can tell that many FE newbies are like babes in the woods, as they go chasing after life-threatening situations. If I unmask some of the scoundrels, they can try to go after people around me, to hurt them in an attempt to get at me. It has happened before. If somebody gets out of their armchairs, they can do the fact-finding and see what I am referring to, but this post will make it a little easier for them.

    Again, by the time I left Ventura in 1990, I had both barrels of how the propaganda system operates. Not only was my own mother making a scrapbook of the lying newspaper articles, to take on tour to my friends and family:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post400492

    I also got to experience the same thing happen to a company that I worked for when Dennis was in jail:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ars#post611618

    When I began to study the media in 1990, I was primed for the revelations ahead of me:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#big

    Mr. Skeptic unmasked himself with his Skeptical Inquirer article, and he has only escalated his lies since then, becoming a media darling as he appears on national TV shows that smear Dennis:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post410817

    Again, I am more than half-convinced that he is performing his “skeptical” work on some malign interest’s payroll, probably someplace in Godzilla’s food chain:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#skeptic

    Somebody like Mr. Skeptic is certainly humanity’s enemy, doing his dark path best, whether he is free-lancing or just doing his “job.” I had it drilled into my head that personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

    but I tried to find some “good guys” who could be allies in my work subsequent to Ventura. I found some, such as Brian O, but allies that had the right stuff were very few and far between. There are far more pretenders than contenders. Because I let Dennis and Brian coax me into helping them, I kept getting thrust into the FE milieu, and it could get ugly.

    About the time I was finishing up my 2002 version of my site, I became aware of an essay written by one of the FE talking heads. Like so many others, libeling Dennis was part of his act. I won’t name him, but I have decided that I would quote him, other than give the rather vague account of his libel in the past:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#libel

    He began his attack on Dennis with:

    “Then there are the out right con men. In the last 15 years, there is one person in the USA who has raised the free energy con to a professional art. He has raised more than $100,000,000, has been barred from doing business in the state of Washington, has been jailed in California, and he's still at it.”

    That was quite a bit to pack into a few sentences. That he tried to legitimize what happened in Seattle and Ventura makes him blood brothers with Mr. Skeptic, but his big lie was saying that Dennis raised more than $100 million from his “marks.” I was Dennis’s accountant, and know how much money Dennis has “raised” over his career, and that “fact” of $100 million is about $90 million too high. If he took a zero off, to get it closer to reality, his entire argument would collapse, and he knows it, which is why he lied like he did. The man is a scientist, and that $100 million amount is the only number in his essay. Accounting is the language of business, and math is the language of science. For a scientist to make a statement like that is nothing short of criminal. I ignored the essay as just one more potshot from the peanut gallery. I have better things to do with my time.

    But a couple of years later, just before Brian recruited me to help found NEM:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#nem

    another “educational” effort invited me into their organization, and they featured that libelous essay as the premier commentary on the FE issue. When I saw that, I backed off from getting involved. I told the inviter that I could not join an organization that libeled Dennis. He tried to mediate between me and that libeler. I really did not want any part of it, but in the interest of fair play, I replied that the decision that the libeler had was this: either provide documentary support for that $100 million number, or retract it. If people want to criticize Dennis, that is their right, but to make up big lies about him out of the thin air, to attack him, is called criminal libel in the USA. I then spent two days of my life trying to help that inviter see the big picture. It was two days of my life wasted, and ten years later, that libelous essay still dominates that “educational” site’s free energy section. It is really a disinformation site, similar to the Thrive site that features that essay. I contacted Thrive twice about featuring that libelous essay on their site, and the only response was to remove the adjective “excellent” in describing that essay. I did not go public about what I thought of Thrive until a bunch of the people interviewed on Thrive actually protested the movie:

    http://projectearth.com/founder-essa...ity-and-sanity

    Because of my recent posts, somebody contacted Thrive, and after some initial obfuscations, Thrive actually came out and proudly defended that libelous essay and even further attacked Dennis.

    That kind of behavior is merely representative of the sickness in our civilization, and I do what I can to ignore it. What is really disheartening, however, is that I have been sent that libelous essay via email about twenty times since 2001, and it was even handed to me in hard copy once. And those giving it to me were my “allies.” But only once did an ally express his shock at the attack on Dennis, and all the other times, those giving me the essay were expressing their admiration for such a brilliant essay! I would like to say that those who gave me the essay were just clueless newbies, but some were actually FE activists who should have known better. One pal sent it to me twice, a couple of years apart, and I had to remind him that he sent it to me earlier, and reminded him why it was not such a great essay. The reason why so many have done that is that the libeler was clever, probably to avoid legal action. He mentioned Dennis early in the essay, but when he went into his diatribe against Dennis, he did not name him, but anybody with any experience in the field knows exactly whom he was writing about.

    But probably the most bizarre part of all is that I have watched people in the field embrace Mr. Skeptic and that libeler, while they turned around and attacked Dennis and Brian. I watched the very same people do both: embracing the criminals while attacking the saints. And it might amaze you to know who some of those names were. It is surreal, but that is how it is with too many of the big names in the FE milieu. That kind of behavior is why Brian said that the current members of the FE field would not be the people bringing FE to the world:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#new

    and that kind of behavior is why I don’t have anything to do with the FE milieu anymore. But people keep trying to drag me into it. Last year, I was invited into an event where I would be up there on stage with Foster and others who have embraced people such as Mr. Skeptic. I declined the invitation. And I get people who want to mediate the situation and calm the waters, but I have yet to see one of them really understand the issue. The issue is not that people lie about Dennis and maybe should stop acting so criminally. The world has its fair share of liars and thieves, and I wish them the best. The people who have dishonestly attacked Dennis, or knowingly repeat the lies, have disqualified themselves for doing much good in the world, especially for anything related to FE.

    To walk the path to FE very far, a person needs the virtue of a saint, the vision of a prophet, the persistence of Indiana Jones, and other qualities. Dennis is the only person on Earth who can successfully complete this application:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

    and he is the most attacked person in the FE field, both by Godzilla’s minions and by his “allies” in the field. And the White Hats have long cheered him on from the shadows:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#white

    while the media smears him. Those who stoop to telling big lies about people such as Dennis, or actively promoting them, did not even get two steps down the FE path before they disqualified themselves. If they were genuinely interested in helping make FE happen, their low integrity would make them a danger to themselves and others, and they should be given a very wide berth. Even if they retracted their lies and apologized a thousand times, it would not make them fit to help along an FE effort to any significant degree. But well-meaning and naïve newbies think that they can come in and ameliorate any misunderstandings and we can all march off to Oz together. They just don’t understand. A bunch of liars and thieves do not have a prayer for making FE happen. The saints barely have a chance.

    Time for bed.

    Best,

    Wade
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    I've recently finished reading an interesting book about the Mongol conquest....

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genghis-Khan.../dp/0609809644

    ..by an anthropologist who pieced what he could of the story together using Mongol historical texts. Rather than try to precis it, here's the blurb from Amazon (my highlighting)....

    Quote The conventional view of Genghis Khan as a ruthless leader who destroyed societies is turned on its head in this New York Times bestseller. Scholar and researcher Jack Weatherford shows how Khan was the first ruler to grant religious freedom and how he instituted diplomatic immunity and outlawed torture. Most significantly, Weatherford demonstrates how Khan was responsible for uniting East and West, laying the foundations for the modern nation-state and global economic systems. This truly is revisionist history at its very best.
    I can confirm it's an excellent read and well worth a look if you're interested in human history, as you clearly are

    Right, I'm off on my hols for 3 weeks, see you all in Feb.

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    Hi Mariposafe:

    Weatherford has been accused of plagiarism with his Indian Givers, and likely accurately, and I have seen scholarly works defend Napoleon and Hitler, too. Napoleon brought the Enlightenment to Germany and liberated the Jews. If we want to ignore the vast slaughters, all manner of tyrant can look like a hero and spreader of the light. Vlad the Impaler was a national hero because he resisted the Ottoman Empire:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler

    Many scholars have defended the Peace of Rome as some kind of Golden Age. I have seen historians defend all the barbarian invasions from the Steppes as initiating Golden Ages, as they “reinvigorated” the cultures that they conquered. The Turks, the Mughals, the Mongols – invading conquerors who set themselves up as the new ruling class – this is a very old pattern. I don’t really care much about how Kublai Khan’s court was “enlightened,” and he brought about some kind of renaissance. To me, what is most “important” is that he tried to invade Japan and Java. The means become the ends. When people have brought on “Golden Ages” via slaughter and conquest, call me not very impressed. And the Mongols were the greatest slaughterers the world had known until Hitler.

    About ten years ago, I mixed it up with a prominent anti-war site that lauded the Indonesian “investment” into East Timor, on “education” and the like. I was speechless. They slaughtered about a third of the population to set up shop and “invest” in East Timor. Suharto is the greatest butcher since Hitler, responsible for three genocides during his reign: ethnic Chinese after he came to power, in his anti-communist “cleansing,” in Papua New Guinea, to cleanse the land for Indonesian “settlers,” and in East Timor. The death toll for those three genocides is between one and two million, and he was a favored ally of the USA the entire time, actually getting vital assistance from the USA for them. As Suharto was literally running out of bullets in the East Timorese slaughter, that noted human rights saint, Jimmy Carter, hastily signed legislation to get them more ammunition. As the Indonesians slaughtered a funeral procession that mourned a slaughter by the Indonesians, American journalists were caught in the middle of it. The goons broke Allan Nairn’s skull with American rifle butts, and I remember reading Nairn’s account long ago, and how as the rifle butts were descending onto his head, he could see the “Made in the USA” label on them:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...man#post610065

    I think that I’ll pass on Weatherford’s latest for now. He is suspect as a scholar, and writing some kind of tale of glory about Genghis Khan only makes him more suspect to me.

    I read some of the reviews, and as I suspected would be the case, Weatherford glosses over the rape of Baghdad. That is like writing about Hitler and glossing over his treatment of the Jews. That review is worth quoting:

    “The author's treatment of the destruction of the Abbasid dynasty, decayed as it was, is a case in point. The Mongols sacked Baghdad after numerous attempts to subjugate it, burning irreplaceable manuscripts, smashing masterpieces of architecture, and murdering an unknown though high percentage of its population. To create grassy pastures for their horses, an ancient and unique irrigation system was also destroyed, creating a desert out of a once fertile region; it has never recovered. This was one of the greatest despoliations of a center of civilization in the history of mankind, but the author glosses over it, mentioning in passing that the Mongols were careful to take skilled craftsmen and scientists back to their homeland in order to use their skills and knowledge.”

    I am aware of way too many revisionist histories like that, I am sorry to say.

    Back to the rise of Europe. I do not write about the rise of Europe because of all the greatness that it brought to the world, but because they conquered the entire world, and what they set in motion is with us today. What Europe did to the world was an order of magnitude greater than what the Mongol Hordes accomplished, and the carnage that Europe inflicted on the world was proportionately greater. An entire hemisphere was depopulated in the first century of Europe’s conquest:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#first

    When the Western Hemisphere’s natives were almost entirely exterminated, Africa was raided for slaves. Tens of millions of people had their lives wrecked by the slave trade. Europe was the primary offender, but the Arabs also should be given their due: about a million Africans ended up as Islamic slaves. I have seen many people and scholars defend African slavery because they did it to “their own people.” That is a racist view, and very common. An African tribe that captured its neighbors to sell them into “slavery” did not see their victims as “their people.” Neither did the peoples of the Western Hemisphere who sold themselves as useful to the invaders. The Tlaxcalans ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#tlaxcala1 ), the Westos (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#charleston ), the Mohegans (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#thanksgiving ) and many other peoples sold themselves to the invaders, and helped them slaughter and dispossess their “own people.” All people are “our people,” and it is only the ego that denies it. In a world of scarcity, the bloody conquerors become “heroes” to those who got the benefit of the spoils. I was raised on that heroification of mass-murdering thieves:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post618622

    There are Germans who still lionize Hitler (I have a relative whose father worked in the SS, and she still defends Hitler as quite the hero), Russians who still lionize Stalin, and so forth. The USA has many millions of people who virtually worship George W. Bush, and the list goes on and on.

    A big thrust in my work is to help people break the pattern. In a world of scarcity, there are virtually no true heroes. Study the Jewish Holocaust and look for any “heroes” that tried to ameliorate or prevent that catastrophe, and you are going to look long and hard. The Jews have actually made a list of the Heroes of the Holocaust, and about twenty thousand people have made the list, out of thousands of times more who were in a position to do something about it but did not. Everywhere I have looked, that ratio of one-in-thousands keeps holding up, I am sorry to say:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

    and that is why I say that I am looking for needles in haystacks. I am looking for people who really care, and in a world of scarcity and fear, they virtually do not exist.

    As Europe conquered the world, they also conquered “their own people.” One of the premier works on what the conquest of the world was like to the conquered peoples is Eric Wolf’s Europe and the People Without History:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Wolf

    One of the best out there on the late imperial holocausts is Mike Davis’s Late Victorian Holocausts:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Victorian_Holocausts

    Wolf and Davis openly acknowledge their debt to Marx, and Marxian analytics have their own problems, which I have been studying and will address in my upcoming essay.

    But on to Europe’s rise. It was tapping the new energy sources that really propelled Europe. Europe got an energy boost that led to the High Middle Ages during the Medieval Warm Period, and they almost completely deforested Western Europe in that era. Advances in agricultural technology that allowed horses to plow, to wrench more energy out of the soils, also helped, as did the watermills that sprouted up across Western Europe. Those technical advances helped Europe prevent a collapse during the Little Ice Age that followed the Medieval Warm Period, although Europe became a hell on Earth, with epidemic disease, famine, and warfare running loose for generations.

    When Europe developed the technical means to sail the high seas, which was the greatest energy innovation of all time to that point (a 500 horsepower sailing ship that could sail the oceans was something never seen before), it quickly conquered the world, with China and Japan being the only holdouts of significance.

    I have to go to work soon, but I want to cover some of the social transformations that attended the rise of Europe. Europe was transformed from a land of peasants with feudal lords to a world-conquering, industrialized people. In conquering the world, the ruling classes also had to conquer within and turn those peasants into professional soldiers, factory workers, and the like. But tapping the energy of fossil fuels made the Industrial Revolution possible, and as the fossil fuel era is peaking, with its end in sight, whether humanity will survive what is directly ahead of us is an open question.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    Not much time this morning, so this will be short. In Western Europe, after the fall of Rome, the Germanic tribes invaded and conquered, setting themselves up as the new elite. The Vikings also began invading. They drove the Irish off the seas. William the Conqueror was one in a long line of invaders of the British Isles. As watermills sprouted up, they were where the water was, which was rurally, and mills needed people to work them. What we call capitalism today began in rural England, although elements of it had been developing for centuries, and scholars call it proto-capitalist. Mercantilism became part of the colonial experience, as it exploited the conquered peoples:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#mercantile

    Capitalism was first inflicted on the rural peoples of England, and the way to force them into the mills was to take their land away from them. The Enclosure Laws began as early as the 1200s in England:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure

    but accelerated in the 1500s, resulting in riots as people were forced off the land:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure#Enclosure_riots

    The land represented the peasant’s energy supply, and taking it away from them made them dependent on the market. Turning peasants into mill and later factory workers was a huge social project that England engaged in, and it took centuries. Beginning in 1640, England began bloody civil wars, which ended in 1689:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#civilwar1

    and royalty permanently lost its power to violently coerce the peasantry. That is when the science of manipulating the public mind began, leading to the highly refined propaganda system of the mainstream media today:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#big

    That ideological project was as important as standing armies were. As Chomsky said, ideology is to a democracy as a standing army is to a dictatorship; they are both the means of how the elite control the masses.

    Time for work.

    Best,

    Wade

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    Hi:

    The Enclosure and Game Laws kicked the peasants off the land and reserved them for the elite. Hunting eventually became a capital crime for peasants in Great Britain:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Act

    This had the effect of creating a labor force for the Industrial Revolution. The rise of capitalism and the Industrial Revolution were closely related. Tapping into the energy of fossil fuels and the rise of an ideology that exalted greed and fear:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#greed

    were not directly related, in that one was dependent on the other. There was a link between them, with the social engineering project of getting the peasants to become cogs in the industrialist/capitalist system being very consciously performed, but there was nothing “natural” or inevitable about it. It was just another variation of the scarcity and coercion game. Before Adam Smith’s treatise appeared, the first work on political-economy appeared, and the author was frank about the coercive nature of capitalism. Capitalist scholars have since relegated him to obscurity:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Denham-Steuart

    Adam Smith stole many of the man’s ideas, but put a happy face on it by omitting the grim realities, as did his contemporaries. The “classical” political-economists that followed Smith kept with the conceit that capitalism was somehow a free system. As all good propagandists do, they lied by crimes of omission, and the brutal nature of what Marx called primitive accumulation was ignored, and instead happy tales were told of how workers volunteered for factory work. The reality was that taking the land away from the peasantry, which was their energy supply, was necessary to force them into the mills and factories.

    What has been interesting for me was finding out about the true nature of capitalism through my adventures with Dennis, and then wondering how it came to be this way, and performing my historical investigations to see how it developed. For instance, there is no such thing as a free market, and there never has been. Free markets are fictions concocted by those laissez-faire political economists, but even Adam Smith remarked on their non-free nature:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#smith2

    The illusion of freedom in a capitalist system is maintained by limiting the menu. Customers can have whatever is on the menu, but for the important stuff, the menu is limited to one or two items, and those who could produce other choices are ruthlessly wiped out. That is why the only legal cancer treatments in the USA attack the tumor:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#racket

    while all the treatments that don’t attack the tumor are outlawed, and alternative practitioners are persecuted with extreme prejudice:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#free

    The energy racket works similarly, but with far more sophisticated means than the blunt gangsterism of the medical racket. Godzilla’s carrots and sticks in the energy racket can be highly sophisticated. Classifying patents is a minor part of his bag of tricks, but effective:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post514878

    Most of the time, when Godzilla messes with you, you do not even realize that he did it. You just have a “heart attack,” or come down with unusual forms of cancer:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#adamiak

    or you get set up in incredibly sophisticated sting operations:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#sting

    or your life is wrecked, and you have no idea how the universe could have conspired to line up the events that wrecked your life.

    When you get offered a billion dollars to go away:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

    Godzilla is showing his hand, but you have to play at extremely high levels to get that “honor.” Usually, such entreaties are disguised as just friendly capitalistic moves:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

    Anyway, the early political economists knew what they were doing, and were privately quite frank that when all other options of the peasants were taken away, then the “market” would provide the means of control and wrestling profits from the situation. I have seen this over and over in my studies, where initial crude, blunt methods were succeeded by increasingly sophisticated and subtle forms of control. The open gangster tactics of Morris Fishbein’s days at the helm of Western medicine:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#quacks

    have given way to sophisticated and subtle forms of racketeering. Death threats in the night rarely happen anymore in the energy racket:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#windmill

    although high profile activists still end up dead due to “random” crime:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#portland

    and other “tragedies”:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#attack

    Ideological indoctrination is truly as old as civilization, where early elites were portrayed by the religions of the day as supernatural entities, here to fulfill some divine purpose:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...esh#post554340

    If elites could brainwash the masses and get them to perform their “duties” somewhat willingly, it was far cheaper than simple compulsion, such as slaves chained together. That dynamic is with us today, with the so-called free market, so-called education, and so on. If people give their allegiance to those ideologies and “join the club,” then they get full bellies and roofs over their heads:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

    The perks for American medical doctors include memberships at the country club, and the winners in high tech in my neighborhood can live down the shoreline from Bill Gates and even have Tyrannosaurus Rex skeletons in their homes:

    http://seattle-mansions.blogspot.com...rex-house.html

    As long as they don’t rock the boat, the perks can be relatively luxurious, but all that so-called high-tech stuff is a like a caveman’s club compared to what is in Godzilla’s Golden Hoard:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

    But the art of manipulating the public mind began to become a science in England following the Glorious Revolution of 1689:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#civilwar1

    and Adam Smith and the classical political economists served an important ideological function in helping to put a happy face on what may eventually be seen as history’s most rapacious institution. Sometimes, its foot soldiers would figure it out and refuse to stay silent:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#butler

    but they have been few and far between. Again, my experience has been that far less than one-in-a-thousand people possess the personal integrity to allow themselves to think outside the scarcity-based paradigm formed by the dominant ideologies. The problem is not that there are all of those foot soldiers, operating on behalf of the dominant ideologies, but that everybody surrenders to them. And the way out of this mess is not by engaging in Young Warrior militancy:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

    because that is just another variation on the victim game, but to operate from the heart and begin to think like creators. When enough of us can do that and learn to sing in harmony, we may be on our way to helping Heaven on Earth manifest:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

    When fear is put on the back burner, and is not the primary motivator of humanity, people are going to find it far easier to get in touch with their divine natures. At least, that is my theory.

    Time for chores, but the rise of Europe will continue, and I will eventually tackle the subject near and dear to my heart: the rise of history’s richest and most powerful nation, which I call home:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    I am between chores, and I would like to make a little integration as I briefly deal with the classical economists. I clearly recall reading Smith’s pin factory vignette from The Wealth of Nations:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busines...ess#Adam_Smith

    as I was steeped in capitalist ideology in business school. After I graduated, I tried to make sense of what I was seeing, and asked Easter Bunny questions:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#believing

    I just completed a long series of posts that dealt with the evolution of my perspective:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post604055

    so I won’t belabor it, but when I staggered out of Ventura, I realized that if fifty people had banded around Dennis like Mr. Professor and I did, we had a chance to make FE a reality. If it had been a hundred, it would have been easy.

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#heroes

    I had the idea that a hundred heroes model might have some promise, and soon after I began my studies in Ohio in 1990:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...son#post615734

    I began reaching out to potential allies. I contacted Chomsky in 1992, and others here and there. I was part of a few fringe communities in Ohio, and through one of them I bumped into Brian:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#meet

    Brian was one of the only hip FE fellow travelers that I ever met. But in the 1990s, my bull’s-eye was FE and planetary healing. I had already lived with the idea of FE for several years, and the deeper I took my studies, the larger its magnitude appeared. When I began approaching various potential allies, their responses were initially quite puzzling. It was like they could not see the bull’s-eye that was so obvious to me. And when some would reply, in what seemed like sincere fashion, that they needed help seeing it, I was more than happy to help. But they really could not see it. It became frustrating over the years. In early 1996, when I read Brian O state that he planned to play the Paul Revere of FE:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#revere

    I was cautiously optimistic. Brian certainly had access that I never had, and I looked forward to seeing how it went on his ride. Brian took his plan seriously, and he rode unceasingly across the world for several years. In 2001, I heard how his ride went:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#reactions

    I had already been escalating my own efforts after my brief stint with Dennis in 1996/1997, so it was no shock to hear what Brian had to say. But there was some new information for me on how impenetrable various constituencies were, including mainstream scientists, environmentalists, and even so-called progressives. A year later, after I finished my site, I was introduced to Bucky Fuller’s work:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

    and in early 2003, I stumbled into Heinberg and the Peak Oilers:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

    and my initial reaction was, “Hey, at least these people understand how energy runs the world. The should be happy that their doomsday scenarios as we run out of oil do not need to happen, as FE could make it all go away.” I recall when I approached Heinberg (we had a mutual acquaintance), thinking that maybe I would finally meet somebody whose eyes would light up with recognition, and he could see the bull’s-eye. He was actually writing about situations that I was part of. I was an insider who was more than happy to educate him and put him in touch with people like Brian and Dennis. I was eager to help open his eyes, and he seemed willing to open them. I could not have been more wrong:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#invite

    A few years later, after being encouraged for years to approach the Free Software Movement, I finally contacted one of its leading members. As I related my background and my days with Dennis, the guy replied with something like, “That sounds like a conspiracy to me.” He stated it in way that meant that if what I lived through seemed like a conspiracy, then I was a nut. I had already seen plenty of that kind of irrational response:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#naive

    and it was really puzzling how nobody wanted to see the bull’s-eye. It was like they all had short-circuited awareness, and they were afraid that if they saw the bull’s-eye, it would burn their eyes out of their heads. They always averted their eyes, and even had violent reactions of denial that the bull’s-eye even existed. I had similar reactions from many in the so-called radical left. They mounted the “laws of physics” and “conspiracy theory” objections to the idea of FE and its organized suppression. The so-called radical left and Peak Oilers are some of the most entrenched Level 3s that I have ever encountered:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level3

    But at least the Peak Oilers understood how energy ran the world, while the rad left were largely a bunch of Marxists. But as I studied economics, I was constantly surprised that the energy issue was relegated to irrelevance. One of the leading rad-lefties published a book on an alternative economics system called Parecon, which was quasi-Marxist, yet the book did not even mention energy:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#parecon

    and that is when it began to dawn on me what kind of blinders economists had, and it has only become more clear with my studies of contemporary economics, and it became very clear with my studies of classical and Marxian economics. Economic is purely a social science, and its predilection is almost solely social interactions in the economic sphere, which is the exchange aspect – who gets the goodies. The source of all life and economic activity, energy, is kind of a foundational assumption – energy is always assumed to be scarce, and that is kind of the beginning and end of economic analysis of the issue – and how energy runs everything is pretty much invisible in every economics treatise that I ever encountered. As I studied the Peak Oilers, I saw where they made fun of economists:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm#_edn4

    and I eventually understood their ridicule. Economists do not study the real world, but almost all economic theory is focused on the social and exchange aspect of economics, which ignores or assumes away the roots of real economics.

    I once believed that economists were so clueless because the earliest economists did their work before the science of energy developed, but seeing stuff like Parecon led me to realize that economists are not really concerned with how people interact with the real world of matter and energy, but they operate almost purely at the social level. They don’t seem to fathom that if FE makes the scarcity assumption evaporate, all social relations will radically transform, making their analyses and theorizing completely obsolete. It is like I have seen rocket ships fly over, and economists of all stripes are arguing about which buggy whip works best. They don’t even see that there is a target, much less a bull’s-eye on it.

    It took many years for me to see the many blind-spots in the various groups that I encountered, and it was not until being introduced to Bucky that I could articulate it and see it in paradigmatic terms: they were all addicted to scarcity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#misinformation

    but their blindness had other dimensions to it. The White Science party line is that nothing consciously created this reality – it just happened – so they also reject any idea that anybody could be consciously manipulating the world’s situation, especially its political-economic dimensions, and dismiss any such evidence as a wacky conspiracy theory, even when somebody like me is only reporting my experiences and those close to me. That was an original realization of mine, and I don’t know if anybody else has made that connection, but it eventually became clear to me.

    Time for chores.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    Briefly, before I go to bed…

    As I was reading this evening, again, from the fringes we get the Peak Oiler perspective:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-26/end-era

    and again, they at least get this part right:

    “One of the problems with economics is that its practitioners preach a concentration on money, whereas money is the language rather than the substance of the real economy. Ultimately, the economy is – and always has been – a surplus energy equation, governed by the laws of thermodynamics, not those of the market.”

    But I have yet to see a Peak Oiler acknowledge FE in the slightest, except for Heinberg’s semi-ridicule:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#heinberg

    and that article does the usual for Peak Oiler perspectives and ends with the drumbeat of doom, and any solutions, if there are any, according to them, are several decades into the future. This is about as good as FE advocates ever see, even on the fringes. I am not sure if something like Thrive does more harm than good. When I see all of that stuff, I know that Godzilla has the game well in hand. This desert even on the fringes (the mainstream is a complete dead-end, obviously), is why I am doing what I am doing, and we will see how it goes.

    Good night,

    Wade

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    Hi:

    I have some time before a busy day. As I stated earlier, England did not initiate the rise of Europe, and not all trends that led to capitalism and the Industrial Revolution started in England. The horse collar was invented in China, and by the 1100s was in use across Europe.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_c..._of_the_collar

    It came in especially useful in Northern Europe, which had heavier soils than Southern Europe (with the northern soils being glacial in origin). A single farmer had problems before the introduction of the horse collar, as a single ox could not pull the heavy plows needed to turn northern soils, but teams of up to sixteen oxen were needed, which was beyond the means of a single farmer. Fewer horses were needed, with the horse collar, and it was more within the means of farmers, and they came together in the form of a cooperative enterprise, lending their horses to each other to pull the heavy plows in teams. It had the effect of creating more energy-efficient farming, so more energy could be wrenched from the soils (while the soils lasted, and the heavy soils of Northern Europe last longer under a plow agriculture regime than the lighter soils of Mediterranean periphery and the Fertile Crescent).

    This may seem trite, but all civilizations have been built and sustained by the agricultural surplus, which was based on agricultural efficiency. The fewer people needed to provide food energy, the more people could learn new skills. By the mid-1600s, less than forty percent of the Dutch workforce was involved with agriculture:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economi...modern_economy

    and about a third of the populace was involved in industry, with another third in commerce, as the Dutch were the first great mercantile power. The rise of the Netherlands was accompanied by great wars, originally against its oppressive overlord, Spain, but the dispute became a conflagration that culminated in the Thirty Years’ War, which was when Europe learned to engage in Total War:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#inquisition

    which resulted in the Catholic Church permanently losing its grip on Northern Europe. The first stock markets appeared in the Netherlands, and the Netherlands became Europe’s first republic. Seizing the spice trade from Portugal was the primary preoccupation of the Netherlands, and the Dutch East India Company is the world’s first multinational corporation:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company

    It was a combination of a corporation and a state, acting on behalf of the Dutch government as it began plundering foreign lands and engaging in trade. Because the Dutch were more interested in trade than proselytizing, they displaced the Portuguese in Japan, becoming Japan’s exclusive trading partner for centuries:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#japan

    The Dutch and English had close ties, and the English copied many Dutch innovations and was close behind the Dutch in the Empire Game, and even ahead of them at times, as the Dutch were busy battling the Spanish. The Dutch East India Company was chartered in 1602, and the English East India Company was formed in 1600:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_East_India_Company

    By 1600, the English were nearing the end of the Elizabethan Era, which was a relative cultural Golden Age for England, with the works of Shakespeare and others gracing the times. The Dutch did not have the hills of England for the gravity-drops needed for watermills, but they had windmills and they burned peat for their early industrial efforts.

    During the 1600s, the Dutch and English battled for supremacy, and their battles began to have a global flair, and the imperial sweepstakes were on. During the 1600s, the spice route around Africa to Japan was the scene of continual battles between the Portuguese, Dutch, English, French and their chump allies among the natives. Along the Atlantic shores of the Western Hemisphere it was a scramble between the Dutch, English, French, Portuguese, and Spanish, with even Sweden and Denmark joining the fray:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#jockeying

    Only Europeans were able to build ocean-going ships and fill them with violent men and increasingly industrialized weaponry (with the cannon predominating), and the world’s peoples paid dearly. Europe was well on its way to conquering the world by 1700. But in England, something happened that would radically change the game. As England was rapidly deforested during its rise, it invaded Ireland in the 1500s and raped its remaining forests to build England’s ships. Coal burning became a big problem in England by the 1200s, with the vile air pollution that attended its burning:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#coal

    But by the 1600s, there was little energy alternative for an industrializing England other than burning coal. In the late 1600s, there was more lung disease in London than in the rest of the world combined:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/mdaq.htm#london

    English coal mines quickly exhausted the surface seams and were soon digging into the water table, and mine flooding became a big problem. In 1712, the first steam engine appeared since Hero’s curiosity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile ) of more than sixteen hundred years earlier, and it was built to pump water out of coal mines:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomen_steam_engine

    Newcomen’s engine was quite inefficient, but with all of that nearby coal to burn, it could make a go of it. But it was James Watt’s invention in 1769 that really kicked off the Industrial Revolution:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#industrial

    It was the first engine that could effectively tap coal energy and turn it into power. It was one of those innovations where practice was far ahead of theory. Generations after the steam engine began to transform England and Europe, a Frenchman provided the first theoretical framework to explain the limits of engine efficiency, and thermodynamics was born:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#carnot

    When scientists say that FE is “impossible,” especially with what Dennis was trying, they are harkening back to Carnot’s work of nearly two centuries ago. It was not long before steam engines were used for transportation, and the railroad was born:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard...ressure_engine

    Trevithick also built the first steam-powered automobile, but without smooth rails to run on, the idea was abandoned for the next century. Steamships were soon plying American waters, but were initially limited to rivers, lakes, and relatively calm seas such as estuaries:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steambo...y_developments

    But before long, steamships were ocean-going.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steambo...ing_steamships

    But water power for mills and wind power for ocean travel stayed competitive with coal-fired steam power until the last half of the nineteenth century. As technology kept improving, and theory began to catch up with practice (the science of energy did not really take off until after 1850), the steamship began to supplant sailing ships due to the Crimean War, when increases in steam engine efficiency were needed for the war effort of shipping coal cheaply, and steamships began to be used in warfare:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_o...og#First_phase

    The rise of science was inextricably involved with the rise of industry. Although watermills became prevalent in Western Europe before 1200 AD, the introduction of the Classic Greek teachings:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#toledo

    via Islam led to the rise of humanism, which led to the Renaissance, which led to the Reformation, which led to the rise of capitalism, the Industrial Revolution, and the conquest of the world. The world’s peoples did not know what hit them. As the Portuguese tried to find a way to the spice trade, to outflank its hated Islamic rivals, it began to plunder Africa, and history’s most spectacular era of slavery began:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

    as captured Africans replaced the exterminated Indians in mining and plantation activities in the New World. Europe’s technical prowess kept ascending, and it was usually first put into better ways to beat its imperial rivals, with ships being the center of a great deal of innovation. It was always an energy game. Along with using the greatest energy technology in history to that time for conquering the world, the European powers also scoured the oceans of the most available energy resource it could obtain: whales:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#whaling

    Whaling was engaged in by the same imperial rivals that were plundering Earth’s peoples, although it was more of a Northern European practice, as it grew from fishing, and whales were plentiful in the rich waters of the North Atlantic. Before long, the British colonies in North America were getting into the act, and soon had the world’s largest whaling fleet. By the time of the American Civil war, whales were becoming quite scarce and petroleum was first commercially drilled in the USA. The USA then got out of the whaling business, just as whaling became industrialized, with explosive harpoons and steam-driven ships that could catch the whales that were too fast and hard to kill and process:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#modern

    Then whales were quickly driven to the brink of extinction, globally, with the whaling industry finally ending in the 1960s when there were no more whales left. That enterprise of killing whales until there were no more left is a dynamic as old as life on Earth. While there can be found all manner of mystical work and folklore about how there was some keen respect between the hunter and the hunted, both in non-human life and for pre-civilized and pre-industrial peoples, there is actually little evidence of that wise balance. In virtually every hunting society ever studied, hunters have always tried to maximize their kill. A book I am currently reading, Radkau’s Nature and Power, explores that issue, but many other works also do. For historical peoples, the decimation of the whales, or fur-bearing animals:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#fur

    or the extinction of the passenger pigeon:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Pigeon

    or the near-extinction of the bison:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#bison

    as a way to exterminate the Plains Indians, the “tragedy of the commons” is a familiar theme, and it likely began with the extermination of Australia’s megafauna:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna

    soon after humans arrived. The extermination of those “discovered” peoples by Europeans was merely a continuation of the trend, and seeing those “discovered” peoples as subhuman is also a time-honored practice of conquerors.

    With the English peasants driven from the land, they became the workforce in the mills and factories that sprouted up, first in the countryside where the mills were, and eventually in the cities, when coal-fired factories became feasible. The Industrial Revolution is what ended slavery. Slavery appeared with early civilization and disappeared in early industrialization. It was an economic dynamic above all else:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Economics

    Slavery is not dead, but in industrialized nations it is a barbaric relic that is eradicated whenever discovered, never officially sanctioned, except for prison labor, and even that is stigmatized. In the late 1990s, when Bill Gates was worth about $100 billion, it was discovered that Microsoft was using prison labor to ship its products, and that practice stopped.

    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=864

    The trend of privatizing prisons in the USA is just another indicator of the economic decline of the USA, as a new era of slave labor rears its head. Gates’s notion of “philanthropy” is a lot like John Rockefeller’s.

    Corporate America aside, sexual slavery is by far the world’s most profitable kind of slavery today, where the world’s poor and oppressed become fodder for that evil business. It can still happen in the USA. There has been a spate of sex slavery incidents in recent years on the USA’s West Coast:

    http://www.atg.wa.gov/HumanTrafficki...afficking.aspx

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...ficking03.html

    http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/01/...x-trafficking/

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...620-san-rafael

    http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2013...-arrested.html

    where adolescent girls and young adults have been forced into prostitution.

    The early days of British industrialization were exceedingly brutal. Women and children were forced into the mills as the land was taken away, and those early days of industrialization inspired the work of Charles Dickens:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_dickens

    and Karl Marx. The lot of children became much worse in the early days of industrialization. Using children as chimney sweeps was only part of it. They were used in the mines and factories. Childhood in early industrial England was hellish.

    Time for work, but the themes in this post will begin the exploration of quite a few trends and events that marked Europe’s conquest of the world and how it led to today’s situation.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    As we get into the Industrial Revolution and coal and oil, I want to begin to gather some of the threads of what I have been writing about since July, to begin to draw comprehensive pictures of some of these situations. In the end, my goal is for people to begin to develop a comprehensive awareness of these issues, and I have stated that some scientific literacy is needed. It does not have to be the scientific literacy of a degree in physics, although it could not hurt much, as long as dogmatism is avoided.

    I wrote about early trees and the “invention” of lignin:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post527620

    and the prevailing theory that those early trees formed the coal deposits, because microbes had yet to figure out how to digest lignin.

    I also wrote about how oil deposits are theorized to have formed, beginning with anoxic conditions that formed the black shales:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post569619

    I bring those issues up because there are fringe theorists who posit that coal and oil were not formed by biological processes and subsequent geological processes, but that they are either primordial from Earth’s formation, or they are somehow manufactured in the mantle, and related theories.

    When you begin to do the multidisciplinary dive, and you begin to understand the various disciplines and how they operate, those kinds of fringe theories become highly untenable. As I have written plenty, science has suffered from overspecialization, with each sub-discipline becoming cloistered, to its detriment. But as inter-disciplinary efforts have been increasing, it has been very profitable to see how independent findings have meshed, to paint astounding pictures. Abiotic oil theory has been around for a long time, but it was particularly championed by Stalinist scientists:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogen...nic_hypothesis

    Many independent lines of evidence laid the abiotic oil formation theory to rest, and when you study the various disciplines, you find that plate tectonics, chemistry – terrestrial and oceanic - , paleontology, and novel investigations into geological questions have undermined those abiotic theories of both coal and oil formation.

    The reconstructions of the ancient atmosphere, the reconstructions of the plate movements, and the various interactions between the environments and the life forms that existed, have developed quite a tableau that explains very convincingly how those oil and coal deposits came to be. But you can find all manner of fringe site that takes the abiotic theories as gospel, and they almost invariably use that theory to make the case that Peak Oil is some kind of scam. You will also find mystical “scientists” who make the case for vertical tectonics, to explain the sinking of ancient civilizations, and others who claim that global warming is a hoax, and so on. All of those kinds of arguments usually fail to impress the scientifically literate, at least for long. In many fringe areas like that, when you begin to dig into them, they fall apart.

    Anybody who wants to make a convincing case that there are countless trillions of undiscovered barrels of oil just waiting for us to find them, or that the very measurable increase in a key greenhouse gas cannot have any impact on Earth’s climate, has a very strenuous task ahead of them. When I have looked at the evidence of the “skeptics” of orthodoxy on those issues, they virtually always had great conflicts of interest and were grinding pretty big axes, or their grasp of the state of the science was very weak. Brian O had plenty of run-ins with those types:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sold

    and so have I. You never saw Brian endorsing Velikovsky, and before the late 1990s images came back, Brian had pretty much disassociated himself from the Face on Mars crowd, when the data just did not support their contentions:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#new

    I am far from making the case that orthodoxy is always right. Far from it:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/orthodox.htm#orthodoxy

    But the fringes have huge pitfalls, and some of the biggest are many grand theories that are built on sand, conspiratorial yarns built on almost no evidence and plenty of speculation, and so on.

    I would say that the evidence is very clear that there is only so much oil and coal in the ground, we have burned through perhaps half of the oil already, and the end of the fossil fuel era is in sight, less than three centuries after it began to be burned in earnest, which is the geological timescale blink of an eye. If we go the way that people like Heinberg think:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#austerity

    humanity will be seen by posterity, if there is a posterity, as some kind of mayfly, a blip on the evolutionary radar, an ape clever enough to find all the hydrocarbons stored over eons and burn them up, but not clever enough to see that it would quickly run out.

    I know that FE exists, however, so that fate is not likely, IMO, but that does not mean that we do not have our toes over the abyss.

    My next month is going to be pretty busy, and I am not sure how active my posting will be, but I will try. I really want to get this human journey sketch finished soon.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    Because of my work hurricane, these will probably be short posts this week. I want to sketch the formation of oil and coal a little more. Life as we know it needs several ingredients to exist. First and foremost is energy. Without energy, nothing moves, so nothing lives. Exploiting the energy gradients of chemical reactions is how life began on Earth, but that was never going to last long before the chemical energy was used up. Life learned to capture the sun’s energy by absorbing various wavelengths of light, and that has powered virtually all ecosystems for billions of years. If any of those life forms ever learned to tap the ZPF, becoming Level 19 life forms:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19

    all I can say is that it is not evident, as all life forms discovered so far had structures and processes designed to harvest chemical energy, solar energy, or the energy of other life forms. If any of them tapped the ZPF to any degree, it is not evident, although there are mystical theories that some can to some degree, such as birds, but the biological evidence does not really support that notion.

    The “discovery” of photosynthesis set life on the path to where we are today, but the prior “discovery” of enzymes was more critical. Without enzymes creating the framework for reactions to happen millions of times faster than they otherwise would:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post521326

    there would be no life at all. So, as life developed (we call it evolution today), and energy was captured, it drew on the soup of available elements to build itself. Those elements are primarily the oxygen and hydrogen of water, nitrogen that bacteria captured from the atmosphere, carbon that photosynthesizers captured from the atmosphere, and various trace elements from the ground. The ground would be solid and a poor host for life if not for weathering, which is primarily due to rain, which is slightly acidic because of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

    One trace element of life is sulfur. It makes the yolk of eggs look yellow, and the rotten egg smell is from sulfur. When life died and became oil and coal, the sulfur did not get all removed via the geological processes, and when oil and coal are burned, sulfur gets burned along with it, and that sulfur gets taken out of the atmosphere the same way that carbon does, and it makes the rainfall more acidic than carbon does, and that is primarily where acid rain comes from (and nitrogen compounds from our internal combustion engines that operate at high enough temperatures so that nitrogen reacts with oxygen).

    The vast majority of marine life never became oil. Most marine life was eaten by other marine life, with the elements recycled in the ecosystem. A tiny fraction, far less than one percent, of marine life became the oil that we burn with such abandon today. The dynamics of marine ecosystems are fascinating and complex, and are shaped by many factors. All marine ecosystems of note are near land masses, because the hydrological cycle delivers the nutrients needed to ecosystems as rivers run into the oceans. The run off usually is seasonal, and the marine ecosystems grow seasonally, too, with that runoff. When the needed elements are no longer introduced, then the marine ecosystem slows down and goes dormant.

    Oxygen is a key element in all ecosystems, because complex life adopted oxygenic respiration:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post519314

    due to the great energy that it delivers, making complex life possible. In marine ecosystems, oxygen gets into the water via oceanic currents, and those currents are dependent on two things: the sun’s energy warming up the oceans and atmosphere, creating a heat imbalance that begins moving water and air, and land masses for the oceanic movements to crash against, and some water is forced from the surface to the depths of the ocean, which is how oxygen gets into the oceans. Because the continents are essentially hydrated rocks that float on the denser rocks, they bounce around on Earth’s surface, and every five hundred million years or so the come together in a supercontinent, which also kills the ocean currents and Earth’s ocean become one big, calm lake. When that happens, oxygen is no longer forced into the oceans, they become anoxic (AKA oxygen-free), and not only do complex life forms die out, but microbes that were forced into the margins when that accursed oxygen ruined their habitats come out to play again, and one early anoxic photosynthesizer metabolizes in a way that gives off hydrogen sulfide (what makes that rotten egg smell), enough of it hits the ozone layer and wrecks it, and then ultraviolet sunlight kills nearly all surface life, and we have a mass extinction event:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eld#post522316

    Like all theories, it is only a theory, but there is increasing evidence for that set of dynamics interacting and initiating mass extinction events. Those anoxic events are also what laid down the carbon-rich black shales (because nothing is alive to eat the dead life forms) that became the oil deposits. And the oil deposits only formed in shallow seas on continental shelves, where the life was teeming. Virtually every place in the oceans not near the continents is a biological desert, because the water lacks key nutrients for life. The elemental runoff from the continents is key. When those black shales are eventually jammed under the crust by plate tectonics (particularly how the oceanic plates jam themselves under the continental lips as they recycle into the lower crust and mantle), the long process of becoming oil begins, and it takes a long time. Also, those shales have to go to a certain depth and no deeper to become oil. Not deeply enough, and not enough “distillation” happens, and too deeply, and all the complex carbon bonds are broken, and instead of oil we get methane gas or even pure carbon that can become diamonds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond...ion_in_cratons ).

    Other geological processes and structures form to make the oil deposits, and the science of geology has advanced to the point where the oil companies have a pretty good idea where the oil is. All the easy oil has been mined and burned, and what is left is the hard stuff to get (too deep for easy removal – the deeper the oil is, the more energy it takes to remove it from the ground, overcoming gravity, which reduces the EROI http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-26/end-era), or the marginal hydrocarbons that either went too deeply or not deeply enough, and today there is a “boom” in going after the “dregs,” the Canadian Tar Sands, fracking to get gas out of shale, heavy oil, and similar finds. The easy days of EROIs of over a hundred are long gone. By the end of this decade, the EROI will be only about ten-to-one, and falling fast. This is directly related to Peak Oil:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm#fossil

    Oil is the good stuff. Gas and coal are far inferior. A liquid hydrocarbon is far more energy dense than a gas, and a solid hydrocarbon is highly limited in how it can be used. The light, sweet (low sulfur content) oil is disappearing fast, and dregs of all kinds are now being mined with a fury.

    The formation of coal is a land-based dynamic. Again, early land plants learned to develop the polymer lignin, which made them far more viable, to survive droughts and feeding animals, and outcompeting shorter plants for sunlight, and trees were born:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post527620

    Coal will last far longer than oil will, but it is highly inferior as a fuel, and it burns very dirty, as anybody who visits the cities of China can tell you. Also, mining coal is an environmental catastrophe. And the early coal mines of Great Britain were hellish places to work. Today in the West, coal mining is more mechanized and does not sacrifice people like it used to, but in the poor nations, you can see regular news items of miners being trapped or killed in coal mines. This is how they get their energy to run their civilizations. You might imagine what it does to me, to know how unnecessary it all is, but I want to keep sketching the dynamics of what tapping that new energy source did to the world, Europe in particular.

    Because coal is so “dirty,” because it is a rock and has a lot more in it than hydrocarbons, it could not be used for smelting metal until a way to refine coal was developed, and the Chinese first developed a way to bake out most of the impurities of coal, and coke was born nearly two thousand years ago:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coke_(fuel)

    But it was not developed for use in Britain until 1709, and when it was, the Industrial Revolution could begin to gallop along. Smelters still preferred clean-burning wood, but there was not enough wood on Earth for smelting the iron that the Industrial Revolution used.

    Time to run off to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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