Their Mind and the Emotional Matrix that we create with it.

[Beren]

It occured to me Beren that the very earliest primitive man would have faced both the serpent and the spider deep in their cave. Surely a fear image we still have deep in our collective psyche which holds true even today. The metaphor is a good one and there are more than a couple of 'deadly sins' lol embedded in it.
I have to say i got them all, but I am working on it

Yes. In the perfect state of mind body and soul, we have no experience of fear. Off balance - and fears jumps in.
Can someone today fearlessly play with a serpent or most of the animals?

Put aside trained folks from Asia , I mean genuine contact with all wild life... Nope.

"Who told you that you are naked" This sentence is telling me volumes about perception, about view, about consciousness, about oneness or unity with Creator.
Original flyer (btw who coined this term?) or should I say original influencer is seeding its thoughts and reasons still.

But people do not understand this force and thus paint the picture of it in our collective psyche. That force is :
-he
-she
-demon
-Devil,
-Satan
-Lucifer
-Dragon
-flyer,
-grey
-reptilian
-archon,
-horned demon,
-gruesome monster,
-vampire
-werewolf,
-ET,
-human,
-animal,
-spirit,
-entity
-machine
-robot,
-AI,
-an organization
-religion,politics,democracy,fascism,terrorism,anarchism,arianism, list can definitelly go on.

Mutual thing is that WE ARE DEFINING ITS SHAPE AND FORM.
What it surely is - an intelligent energy able to do much.

But we often forget of who we are. Children of God Almighty-Creator-Source-Love.
Meaning our true nature is divine.
Meaning we can and we do create our reality. Everytime. Every second or pico second, in and out of time and space.

And the best part- we're not aware of this. Here and now I cannot examine every pico second of my creation. Anything that happens to me is allowed by me to enter my perception and focus. But on this current level, I am not aware of this.
And I fight, live, breathe, yearn...etc... without knowing how and why or when...

But since I am God's son as you are all God's sons and daughters , I know in my highest of what I am doing. Thus I am sending myself signs and aids and anything I may so need. We all do this.
In highest reality all this is a game of life. And we all live it. But here and now we don't quite get this.

As we move higher from this point in time and space we gradually understand this processes. This is why when one grows up a little - demons cannot touch him/her. Because one knows what's going on and acts accordingly.
Ever higher we go the different obstacles but we also grow and go over them.

And I am finishing here by stating that despite all this is a game of life in the highest, here and now we got a world to change, us to change, souls to lift, shackles to shatter, love to live.
Hence we're shedding this Matrix-NOW.


No fuss-just life.

[Gardener]

Flyer was coined by Castenada as Don Juan........ his metaphor, so many words and labels! For the same thing - the construct of fear. Yes we are all this like the iceburg; it is easy to forget that the shadow in the unconscious, is only equal to the light, when we think of the unconscious we tend to think of 'bad', stuff we have buried when in fact there is a lot of beauty and love we have also buried in there - otherwise how could we recognise it around us. We project 'good' onto others too. Sometimes to our own detriment.

This might be wishful 'thinking' but I do 'feel' we are making cracks in the 'matrix'.

Beren----> Yes. In the perfect state of mind body and soul, we have no experience of fear. Off balance - and fears jumps in.
Can someone today fearlessly play with a serpent or most of the animals?

Put aside trained folks from Asia , I mean genuine contact with all wild life... Nope.

"Who told you that you are naked" This sentence is telling me volumes about perception, about view, about consciousness, about oneness or unity with Creator.
Original flyer (btw who coined this term?) or should I say original influencer is seeding its thoughts and reasons still.

But people do not understand this force and thus paint the picture of it in our collective psyche. That force is :
-he
-she
-demon
-Devil,
-Satan
-Lucifer
-Dragon
-flyer,
-grey
-reptilian
-archon,
-horned demon,
-gruesome monster,
-vampire
-werewolf,
-ET,
-human,
-animal,
-spirit,
-entity
-machine
-robot,
-AI,
-an organization
-religion,politics,democracy,fascism,terrorism,anarchism,arianism, list can definitelly go on.

Mutual thing is that WE ARE DEFINING ITS SHAPE AND FORM.
What it surely is - an intelligent energy able to do much.

But we often forget of who we are. Children of God Almighty-Creator-Source-Love.
Meaning our true nature is divine.
Meaning we can and we do create our reality. Everytime. Every second or pico second, in and out of time and space.

And the best part- we're not aware of this. Here and now I cannot examine every pico second of my creation. Anything that happens to me is allowed by me to enter my perception and focus. But on this current level, I am not aware of this.
And I fight, live, breathe, yearn...etc... without knowing how and why or when...

But since I am God's son as you are all God's sons and daughters , I know in my highest of what I am doing. Thus I am sending myself signs and aids and anything I may so need. We all do this.
In highest reality all this is a game of life. And we all live it. But here and now we don't quite get this.

As we move higher from this point in time and space we gradually understand this processes. This is why when one grows up a little - demons cannot touch him/her. Because one knows what's going on and acts accordingly.
Ever higher we go the different obstacles but we also grow and go over them.

And I am finishing here by stating that despite all this is a game of life in the highest, here and now we got a world to change, us to change, souls to lift, shackles to shatter, love to live.
Hence we're shedding this Matrix-NOW.


No fuss-just life.

[/QUOTE]

[modwiz]

I made mention of bedtime disciplines/rituals for bedtime and was questioned about them in a PM so I will post some what I do here.
Most importantly I address anything, usually anyone, 'bugging' me. This is always a hook coming from 'their' mind. Keeping an issue 'hot' within me. I first recognize the foreign influence and I then call upon the part of myself that knows and even feels the nonsense of it all. Here, letting go of the issue is called for. I remind myself how safe I am in bed, comfortable and well fed. I am blessed. Life is good. These are the facts, the other stuff bugging me is the bullsh!t. Getting things straight is the first order. Breathing in and using clearing breaths to reset works well. The next part of things requires this basic clearing. It also dislodges the "flyer" mind on me. I send blessings to where they might be needed. If I have spoken of sending energy to someone, this is the time I often do it. Next I put an auric field around myself. Reflective silver for the outside and gold on the inside. This is a radiant gold, intended for repair of anything that needs it. It is also used for new constructs. Don Juan speaks of a coating on us that gets worn away. I actively recoat myself, from the feet upward with the gold light as the source material.

The reflective silver is meant to repel energy. I don't just think it there, I intend its' function as well. I am invisible behind this mirror and anything sent my way is deflected. Some put energy to return to sender. I do not so this. Unless someone is persistent. Sometimes a bloody nose helps fix a situation. This is only for special times when things are personal. I would have fingers left over on one hand if I were to count the times things have gotten personal. Magical battles are really ones of the ego.

The inner gold is also a great heart aid. I think of it as energetic all purpose light to fashion whatever is needed from it.

That is my basic procedure and it focuses things on my process and repair. It is what is good for me. Their mind is made impotent at these times. As the Don Juan teachings mention, when one is no longer an easy meal the 'flyers' become weakened and much easier to deal with. One also develops a better sense of what are the good parts 'of self' and what are not.

[8t88]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Reflective silver for the outside and gold on the inside.

Some very good advices here, thanks modwiz.

One thing I am not sure about is making yourself reflective. I have heard similar new-agey advice many times, about 'making yourself beacon of light'. Making yourself too visible and that may attract some nasty and nosy neighbors. I would always choose much more stealthy approach (dark/black/light absorbing) that, in my opinion, acts as much safer protection. I am not suggesting any relation between your approach and common new age bs (lol) just pointing out some similarities that may make you more vulnerable than needed.

Kind of off topic but I know about unsuspecting and unprotected new agers that 'shine brightly' as their first step and they get very nasty attacks or even attachments in the process. That's why I wanted to bring this out and ask you about it.

[modwiz]

Posted by 8t88 (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
Reflective silver for the outside and gold on the inside.

Some very good advices here, thanks modwiz.

One thing I am not sure about is making yourself reflective. I have heard similar new-agey advice many times, about 'making yourself beacon of light'. Making yourself too visible and that may attract some nasty and nosy neighbors. I would always choose much more stealthy approach (dark/black/light absorbing) that, in my opinion, acts as much safer protection. I am not suggesting any relation between your approach and common new age bs (lol) just pointing out some similarities that may make you more vulnerable than needed.

Kind of off topic but I know about unsuspecting and unprotected new agers that 'shine brightly' as their first step and they get very nasty attacks or even attachments in the process. That's why I wanted to bring this out and ask you about it.

The kind of reflective I speak of lends to an almost invisibility.
Here is a picture of a tree house with reflective walls. The effect is one of camouflage.
I pull my window shades down, LOL.

[9eagle9]

ypically, people cry for help when they ask you to empathize with something -- they are misunderstanding how to be empathetic. They are really asking you to wallow in an emotion with them, they want you to bleed with them, or bleed for something. This is not necessary, and it appears that many people are inadvertently doing this. They want to see if you will bleed, and when you refuse to bleed it is misinterpreted as being callous or insensitive. In this way, this method is manipulative and it is commonly unacknowledged as being such. Offense may or may not be taken, but defense surely is. This is evident through deflecting -- protecting some aspect of yourself that wants to bleed, it wants you to give away your energy and to get others to do the same. Reinforcing these habits is not a good thing.


Big lesson for me recently...I had no idea that so many people claiming to seek their power want to be victims. They don't feel safe unless they are a victim and are treated like one. I know that there are people who are victims. But it was not until recently that I realized that is where people feel safe at being the victim.... and if you are not a victim....they don't feel safe. But the flyer mind is essentially a victim/abuser relationship so looking at it from that angle....it makes sense. But if you don't re-inforce those behaviors you are seen as the abuser.

Most of rightfully cannot see ourselves doing something so damaging as to wallow in each other's wounds. That is why I got out of one and one healing with people. They wanted wound wallowing, for us to fall to the floor and thrash in each other's misery and I can't do that. There is an essential dignity to becoming a whole person and its not present in those sorts of situations.

I come away more alarmed than ever at the state of humanity but ..I would imagine that is what the 'their' mind would want.

Again by our choice.

[RUSirius]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
ypically, people cry for help when they ask you to empathize with something -- they are misunderstanding how to be empathetic. They are really asking you to wallow in an emotion with them, they want you to bleed with them, or bleed for something. This is not necessary, and it appears that many people are inadvertently doing this. They want to see if you will bleed, and when you refuse to bleed it is misinterpreted as being callous or insensitive. In this way, this method is manipulative and it is commonly unacknowledged as being such. Offense may or may not be taken, but defense surely is. This is evident through deflecting -- protecting some aspect of yourself that wants to bleed, it wants you to give away your energy and to get others to do the same. Reinforcing these habits is not a good thing.


Big lesson for me recently...I had no idea that so many people claiming to seek their power want to be victims. They don't feel safe unless they are a victim and are treated like one. I know that there are people who are victims. But it was not until recently that I realized that is where people feel safe at being the victim.... and if you are not a victim....they don't feel safe. But the flyer mind is essentially a victim/abuser relationship so looking at it from that angle....it makes sense. But if you don't re-inforce those behaviors you are seen as the abuser.

Most of rightfully cannot see ourselves doing something so damaging as to wallow in each other's wounds. That is why I got out of one and one healing with people. They wanted wound wallowing, for us to fall to the floor and thrash in each other's misery and I can't do that. There is an essential dignity to becoming a whole person and its not present in those sorts of situations.

I come away more alarmed than ever at the state of humanity but ..I would imagine that is what the 'their' mind would want.

Again by our choice.

Being someone who has been a "victim" I can honestly say that I helped to create that by not standing in my truth and being brave, I think these two concepts can be applied to anyone with the victim mentality, stand in your truth and fear not. If you can do this honestly it can change the situation better than any "words". I will say this, the turn around can be rapid beyond belief if one steps through the fear. There may however be exceptions to this "rule" that I have overlooked. Any time I speak about this topic it is not for others to "feel" anything at all, just to raise awareness if possible. Victimization can many times be a state of mind.

[9eagle9]

Kind of off topic but I know about unsuspecting and unprotected new agers that 'shine brightly' as their first step and they get very nasty attacks or even attachments in the process. That's why I wanted to bring this out and ask you about it.

Having been in a new age healing environment for a long time...its all ego. Thus the attacks. Psychic attack is simply the interplay between the external and the ego. People who have less dense egos seldom feel attacked or threatened by others. Same with a psychic attack. You might feel it, you might have to wrestle with what you are feeling ...but you can control a psychic attack. No matter where it comes from be it the neighbor or an alien.

The inner mechanism of attack is waged through the ego and 'their' mind. New age basically means one is just re-entrenching in another ego-ic position. They went from dis-empowerment to dis-empowerment with a label that goes with it that sounds sort of empowering. Disempowered people who think they are empowered are their own worst enemies. Because the are 'empowered' they are never tempted to work on themselves. Empowered people know they have disempowerment and always work on it.

Thinking one is empowered when they are really not. And that just opens the door to attack, its very tempting . The way psychic attack is presented is it's something you need to be protected from. Made safe from. That opens the door even wider. It's something to be worked at. Like you are in a fight, you either stand there while someone is punching you in the face and say "I'm okay, I'm protected" or you do something to deflect.

This is where spiders come back into the whole notion. When I'm attacked I spin the energy. It's just energy, clean it spin and make a web around me.

In the first steps...that is just what it is. First steps. You see the woods but you aren't in the woods yet you just get the sense you need to go there.

New age healing is very dis-empowering because once the concept of attachments makes itself known...its used as another excuse. It becomes the 'new ' devil made me do it. In Christianity no one felt special that the devil dogged them. But hey in new age if something attacks you, you must be special. I can't describe how many times a person has been hustled into my office, surrounded by a pack of panicked people, breathlessly saying someone had an attachment on them. It's their own **** being triggered. As soon as I say that, they were hustled back out again to find a healer that would say they were so special and light that some random entity out of infinite number of them in the universe had singled them out. That enables them and leaves them susceptible to more attack.

Conversely in those circles I knew that something was wrong with me. I begged people, please tell me what is wrong with me.

Oh no, you're all light and glitter. You're an angel, you are the reincarnation of Jesus. Outside of this forum I get the opposite deception. I get labeled with all the flowery stuff. Save for the pseudo shamans who are threatened by me because i see through their crap. But that didn't help me either. If I were so 'light' why was I so miserable. I literally felt like I was filled with concrete and just immobilized with what I was feeling. I didn't know what I was feeling thought. Whatever it was , was exhausting.

I was sitting in this new age environment one day and decided to do some TAT on myself. Tapa accupuncture technique. The next thing you know I was so exhausted I thought I would have to crawl to my truck. I had to leave and could barely keep my eyes open driving home. Doing TAT in the middle of that environment made me realize how dense and heavy it was, and triggered something on the inside that was dense and heavy. When it came up to the surface it came up all at once and I was suddenly and instantly exhausted from carrying it. The environment was triggering it but it was something on the inside that got triggered.

A panic attack is a flyer mind attack. Yes crap will attach in there but a panic attack is a panic attack and it's ones own fear being leveraged.
Get rid of the fear and nothing can leverage or attach there. People adamantly do not want to address their fear because ....you have to feel whatever emotion you have stuck inside of you in order to release it. You have to feel it. People are afraid to feel pain, or anger. We are taught in the new age that anger is wrong so if you are angry something is 'wrong' with you. So instead of feeling it , which means its getting released, it gets suppressed so one isn't feeling it on a conscious level.

I've had people observe me having a psychic attack and that was an interesting exchange cause I look back at it and see the 'their' mind warring with the right mind. I'm sitting with a group of people in a coffee house and we are planning an open house. It's 10.30 at night and suddenly I am literally struck with this idea that I want a beer. Where did that come from? Okay I like beer, but it's 10.30 at night, I need to go to bed, and its not the circumstances where one has a beer. I'll leave that at that.

The next thing you know I'm struck with this OVERWHELMING desire to get **** faced drunk. Where is THAT coming from, why? There's nothing I'd like least at the moment. But I want to. I don't want to. War war war. My friend sitting on the other side of the table looks up an me and says, Oh boy, you just took a hit. She could feel it.

Okay WHERE IS THAT coming from and why. So there's this energy coming at me so I follow it back to....ex boyfriend. Whom I hadn't spoke to in months. He's working his way through a case of beer to keep his demons at bay. A habit he adopted after his demons got the better of him. The next minute my text goes off and its him. AH confirmation. What do you do with this. Find out what is going on inside, what is corded in, what is not cleared. If I can follow that energy back there's a connection that needs to be severed. That was like a open phone line, I'm picking up his state of drunk, his thoughts, and they are transferring to me via the 'their' mind.. That is why we say our thoughts are not our own.

But if you don't know yourself how do you know what thoughts are yours?

[modwiz]

I should mention the Christ energy. At least that is what the term in my head when I have used it. I have used it twice that I can remember, each time during a paralysis abduction type of event. I asked for assistance and instantly was helped. One can understand how some might feel moved to have to join some Jesus based religion. "Their" mind will make us feel a sense of obligation. It is 'their' way. I helped you and now you owe me. Or, you are an ingrate to not do something. Appreciation that this is how the Universe works will not suffice to the parasitic mind. 'Ask and ye shall receive' only comes if you 'belong' to a system, "they put into your mind, and if you don't belong and receive help you better sign up quickly

Now, when I say 'they' put it into your mind, it is not necessarily an 'in that moment' placement. Most likely it has already been placed there through the many layers of programming we receive. Media, social, cultural and religious. A good look will see how intertwined they are. So, if one is in a jam, calls on an energy like the Christ energy, the seeds of obligation are already deeply planted and will often self actuate from other programs of guilt or obligation. There are no free lunches is a program that leads to the self policing and consequent behaviors of the matrix mind.

I will say that besides this information being something I feel has worth, my friend Beren was very much in my mind while writing it.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Kind of off topic but I know about unsuspecting and unprotected new agers that 'shine brightly' as their first step and they get very nasty attacks or even attachments in the process. That's why I wanted to bring this out and ask you about it.

Having been in a new age healing environment for a long time...its all ego. Thus the attacks. Psychic attack is simply the interplay between the external and the ego. People who have less dense egos seldom feel attacked or threatened by others. Same with a psychic attack. You might feel it, you might have to wrestle with what you are feeling ...but you can control a psychic attack. No matter where it comes from be it the neighbor or an alien.

The inner mechanism of attack is waged through the ego and 'their' mind. New age basically means one is just re-entrenching in another ego-ic position. They went from dis-empowerment to dis-empowerment with a label that goes with it that sounds sort of empowering. Disempowered people who think they are empowered are their own worst enemies. Because the are 'empowered' they are never tempted to work on themselves. Empowered people know they have disempowerment and always work on it.

Thinking one is empowered when they are really not. And that just opens the door to attack, its very tempting . The way psychic attack is presented is it's something you need to be protected from. Made safe from. That opens the door even wider. It's something to be worked at. Like you are in a fight, you either stand there while someone is punching you in the face and say "I'm okay, I'm protected" or you do something to deflect.

This is where spiders come back into the whole notion. When I'm attacked I spin the energy. It's just energy, clean it spin and make a web around me.

In the first steps...that is just what it is. First steps. You see the woods but you aren't in the woods yet you just get the sense you need to go there.

New age healing is very dis-empowering because once the concept of attachments makes itself known...its used as another excuse. It becomes the 'new ' devil made me do it. In Christianity no one felt special that the devil dogged them. But hey in new age if something attacks you, you must be special. I can't describe how many times a person has been hustled into my office, surrounded by a pack of panicked people, breathlessly saying someone had an attachment on them. It's their own **** being triggered. As soon as I say that, they were hustled back out again to find a healer that would say they were so special and light that some random entity out of infinite number of them in the universe had singled them out. That enables them and leaves them susceptible to more attack.

Conversely in those circles I knew that something was wrong with me. I begged people, please tell me what is wrong with me.

Oh no, you're all light and glitter. You're an angel, you are the reincarnation of Jesus. Outside of this forum I get the opposite deception. I get labeled with all the flowery stuff. Save for the pseudo shamans who are threatened by me because i see through their crap. But that didn't help me either. If I were so 'light' why was I so miserable. I literally felt like I was filled with concrete and just immobilized with what I was feeling. I didn't know what I was feeling thought. Whatever it was , was exhausting.

I was sitting in this new age environment one day and decided to do some TAT on myself. Tapa accupuncture technique. The next thing you know I was so exhausted I thought I would have to crawl to my truck. I had to leave and could barely keep my eyes open driving home. Doing TAT in the middle of that environment made me realize how dense and heavy it was, and triggered something on the inside that was dense and heavy. When it came up to the surface it came up all at once and I was suddenly and instantly exhausted from carrying it. The environment was triggering it but it was something on the inside that got triggered.

A panic attack is a flyer mind attack. Yes crap will attach in there but a panic attack is a panic attack and it's ones own fear being leveraged.
Get rid of the fear and nothing can leverage or attach there. People adamantly do not want to address their fear because ....you have to feel whatever emotion you have stuck inside of you in order to release it. You have to feel it. People are afraid to feel pain, or anger. We are taught in the new age that anger is wrong so if you are angry something is 'wrong' with you. So instead of feeling it , which means its getting released, it gets suppressed so one isn't feeling it on a conscious level.

I've had people observe me having a psychic attack and that was an interesting exchange cause I look back at it and see the 'their' mind warring with the right mind. I'm sitting with a group of people in a coffee house and we are planning an open house. It's 10.30 at night and suddenly I am literally struck with this idea that I want a beer. Where did that come from? Okay I like beer, but it's 10.30 at night, I need to go to bed, and its not the circumstances where one has a beer. I'll leave that at that.

The next thing you know I'm struck with this OVERWHELMING desire to get **** faced drunk. Where is THAT coming from, why? There's nothing I'd like least at the moment. But I want to. I don't want to. War war war. My friend sitting on the other side of the table looks up an me and says, Oh boy, you just took a hit. She could feel it.

Okay WHERE IS THAT coming from and why. So there's this energy coming at me so I follow it back to....ex boyfriend. Whom I hadn't spoke to in months. He's working his way through a case of beer to keep his demons at bay. A habit he adopted after his demons got the better of him. The next minute my text goes off and its him. AH confirmation. What do you do with this. Find out what is going on inside, what is corded in, what is not cleared. If I can follow that energy back there's a connection that needs to be severed. That was like a open phone line, I'm picking up his state of drunk, his thoughts, and they are transferring to me via the 'their' mind.. That is why we say our thoughts are not our own.

But if you don't know yourself how do you know what thoughts are yours?

I had said it twice here on Avalon, that I am a nothing, and a nobody, that's how I am in my private life, I have not been attacked ever since my experience 33 years ago, if I had ever been attacked there was nothing to attack, it went through me, if I had been attacked, that would of been here on Avalon for whatever I had said, then the response would of felt as an attack, because I has suddenly had something to protect, I hope you all see the difference, and understand what 9E9 is talking about, you cannot be touched if you haven't anything for it to attach itself to, something you are holding on to. sorry don't explain very well, but hope you understand, got nothing, cant touch nothing, got something, can touch that something.

Regards

roman

[RUSirius]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Kind of off topic but I know about unsuspecting and unprotected new agers that 'shine brightly' as their first step and they get very nasty attacks or even attachments in the process. That's why I wanted to bring this out and ask you about it.


Find out what is going on inside, what is corded in, what is not cleared. If I can follow that energy back there's a connection that needs to be severed. That was like a open phone line, I'm picking up his state of drunk, his thoughts, and they are transferring to me via the 'their' mind.. That is why we say our thoughts are not our own.

But if you don't know yourself how do you know what thoughts are yours?

IMO if we are talking about tools or solutions this is a great application.

[Curt]

Posted by RUSirius (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Kind of off topic but I know about unsuspecting and unprotected new agers that 'shine brightly' as their first step and they get very nasty attacks or even attachments in the process. That's why I wanted to bring this out and ask you about it.


Find out what is going on inside, what is corded in, what is not cleared. If I can follow that energy back there's a connection that needs to be severed. That was like a open phone line, I'm picking up his state of drunk, his thoughts, and they are transferring to me via the 'their' mind.. That is why we say our thoughts are not our own.

But if you don't know yourself how do you know what thoughts are yours?

IMO if we are talking about tools or solutions this is a great application.

I agree, and I'm glad you highlighted this because I think it's useful-- and I might have missed it in the midst of all the back and forth.

Do you guys remember that tennis match at Wimbledon from 2010 that went on for 3 days?

Isner V. Mahut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isner–M..._Championships

[8t88]

If you want to know how I am feeling...

Ask me.

I may not be feeling anything.

Flier whispers: "That's not possible. Everybody has to be swamped with feelings. What's wrong with her?"
Then again in more panicking voice. Then again.

(sorry guys, newbee can't post in some other thread even if it is crystal clear example of what this thread talks about)

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by 8t88 (here)

If you want to know how I am feeling...

Ask me.

I may not be feeling anything.

Flier whispers: "That's not possible. Everybody has to be swamped with feelings. What's wrong with her?"
Then again in more panicking voice. Then again.

(sorry guys, newbee can't post in some other thread even if it is crystal clear example of what this thread talks about)

This is probably one of the safest and most informative threads on the forum right now, ironically though focusing on a potentially very dangerous topic.

(examples of this pollution and potentially dangerous subject matter can be studied on the other thread(s))

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-it-s-not-open

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Avalon-Forum

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[PurpleLama]

I was going to post this in response to someone, but my response went beyond the scope of the question, and since have found the thread disappeared. Right on topic here, so let me repeat others in my own words:

Suppressed material in the consciousness can wreak all sorts of havoc with one's mind and emotions. Such traumas can get buried deep, as a defense mechanism, to protect the young mind, but as time goes on there is a movement underneath as the attempt is made to bring it back to mind to be dealt with, healed and cleared. I suspect it's our own subconscious at work, what we see as a rash of psychic attacks within this forum, it can be very easy to mistake an internal boogey man for one external. People tend to forget that a wide array of conditions can cause the symptoms people are experiencing, even the stress it can cause in the mind sitting in front of a computer screen for too long, that being a simple example of one unnatural condition that can cause the symptom of tightness in the chest, easily mistaken as an attack when really the subconscious is trying to tell you to go for a walk and get some fresh air. One example, but our daily lives are chock full of instances of unnatural "modern" behaviors, any of which or combinations thereof may lead to symptoms that can send one looking for some external cause, so it would be good to always take a breather before deciding for sure that you might be under attack.

[RUSirius]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
I was going to post this in response to someone, but my response went beyond the scope of the question, and since have found the thread disappeared. Right on topic here, so let me repeat others in my own words:

Suppressed material in the consciousness can wreak all sorts of havoc with one's mind and emotions. Such traumas can get buried deep, as a defense mechanism, to protect the young mind, but as time goes on there is a movement underneath as the attempt is made to bring it back to mind to be dealt with, healed and cleared. I suspect it's our own subconscious at work, what we see as a rash of psychic attacks within this forum, it can be very easy to mistake an internal boogey man for one external. People tend to forget that a wide array of conditions can cause the symptoms people are experiencing, even the stress it can cause in the mind sitting in front of a computer screen for too long, that being a simple example of one unnatural condition that can cause the symptom of tightness in the chest, easily mistaken as an attack when really the subconscious is trying to tell you to go for a walk and get some fresh air. One example, but our daily lives are chock full of instances of unnatural "modern" behaviors, any of which or combinations thereof may lead to symptoms that can send one looking for some external cause, so it would be good to always take a breather before deciding for sure that you might be under attack.

I believe this probably applies to me. I posted on the "report attacks" thread about symptoms I had been experiencing since this past weekend. I NEVER said however that it was necessarily psychic, just symptoms of what I was experiencing, when and how it usually comes about. What is AMAZING to me, is how fast one can see clearer once one excepts responsibility and does not blame outside influences, not that outside influences can not "attack" I would imagine they can. My point is this, I believe for me, I am the avenue for the outside influences if I allow them to influence, so I am ultimately the "root cause" even if there are outside influences. Disclaimer: I am not saying this applies to everyone, or that my mind cant change or make other connections I have not yet realized.

[9eagle9]

9eagle9 requested I bring this post here. I have not read this thread. (some of it but not much) So forgive my ignorance on things already discussed.

Read the thread and you may better understand what I am about to say. !!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

All of this is hidden right out in the open, there is no need to hide anything but there is a consequence seemingly to putting down our new religion. To people who are programmed it is hidden, and the reason they can’t see it is because they are programmed to react or turn away from it. Not because its literally hidden. Again there’s a giant monument outside of Atlanta with all it’s tenets in place so how can we say this is hidden. Is the Vatican hidden? Another part of the program. We can't understand what is occuring, so it must be hidden.

If they don’t look away or protest the virus that breaks down the program, they feel pain. Their feelingss are hurt. pain of some sort will be prompted. Pain avoidance, class A brainwash mechanism. Its how we train animals even and how we have been trained. “


. (Not me personally but you knew this post would hurt some feelings.)


Sleepy that is not a good enough feeling to not open our mouths. That 'some' people's feelings will get hurt while everyone's lives are destroyed. People are already hurt. That condition existed waaaaay before i was ever born. Okay once a man attempted to molest my daughter in a cafe right in front of me.

I hurt some feelings. I hurt more than that.

Should I have just kept quiet? Not hurt any feelings?

I did not feel attacked by the post because you stated that it would probably hurt my feelings and I understood what you were trying to say and it made sence to me.

Good. My warning served its purpose then. Forewarned is fore -armed.




9eagle9:…. I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.

So.. I should just turn away from it right? I understand now this is WRONG, like a character flaw to feel some anger over this. I shouldn’t even mention it. Someone might feel uncomfortable. I mean people having their soul taken by them a drib and drab at time is nothing compared to the horror of feeling uncomfortable at someone elses anger over the cycle we put ourselves through over and again, walking in the revolving door once more and then complaining about it.

I really am not advanced (or uncaring enough) enough to watch people commit spiritual suicide daily and drag others down with them to the point I can go ‘oh ho hum’ I think I’ll get a donut. Then we can be accused of being without compassion, not caring, not being fired up enough to
sleepy:

May I ask what thread Fred allegedly started inviting people to make an agreement to soul harvesting?

You will have to ask Fred first. He cared not to take responsibility for the thread when I asked him to make comparison of it. If he doesn't want to share, then ..different matter. I could cross reference the thread but for the fact it prods people on an emotional level to give energy to a construct and make an agreement with it. This makes an excorcists hair stand on end. That is how emotionally vulnerable people are primed to make agreements to something that will eventually feed on them.


sleepy:I read that thread and I didn’t see Fred inviting anyone to make an agreement to have his or her soul harvested.

Do you know what an inhabited construct is? Do you know how agreements and contracts are made? No? If you say no to anything of that then you don't have the authority to know what is what.

Then you might not have seen it. Would you know how to see it? Are you experienced in Excorcism? A skilled observer. A talented listener. Do you know how thought forms and inhabited constructs are made. You didn't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We don't see most of our programming. If we did...we wouldn't be programmed. If you are you would have seen it. To be blunt. Sorry. These are why I talk about these things to people who don't know. So they can learn to be wary and use discernment. To know where to look. To know how energy works. I know that people have not been to the places I've been. This is why I share this stuff.



The rest is self explanatory. I've already explained it.

That's how they operate. That is how they get a strangle hold on people. This is what makes people angry because otherwise they'd fall into the depths of despair over it all--people's failure to SEE, to be AWAKE, and aware to how they operate on a psyche level. And you can't tell them because if you do 'you're mean'.

Are you well versed on the human psyche. What a person called a psychic does? Navigates the psyche?

Right there Sleepy. You can't see it.That is how the world is taken over because people can't see it. If we could see it and know it...we'd be okay.

That is what we are trying to wake people up to. That is what Duncan is trying to wake people up to. How they get us to make agreement.

But no one is supposed to say anything about it, or get angry about. That too is part of the psy-ops.


sleepy: Forgiveness is usually given to reconnect with one who has abused or betrayed you so that you may reconnect.





No. But that is how forgiveness is so corrupted in that form it could be used to connect you with an inhabited construct like a soul harvester to connect you to it. With YOUR agreement. Feelings are used ot connect with not sacred agreements.

Forgiveness is an act of clearing not a means of connecting. I've forgiven many people I will never connect with. I can forgive from a safe distance. I can forgive but that doesn't mean I have to get into their drama again. Forgiving is an act of clearing, not an emotion that is fixed so people can reconnect again. Sometimes it is wiser to just forgive and not reconnect.

Sleepy.I would not forgive the monster Fred described because I have no connection to him to begin with.


Those things feed on People Sleepy. There is a connection. We are THEIR batteries. Okay say you are safe. This isn't just about you, its about other people who are so emotional they'd just think its the right thing to do to MAKE AN AGREEMENT TO FORGIVE IT.

Why?

What did it to that one should forgive it.

This is emotional entrapment.

Some people fall for the trap. Some people don't. Some people make those traps without realizing they are making them. If I ever unknowingly put battery acid into a batch of brownies I'd sincerely hope someone calls me out on it.


My soul was never in danger. Fred simply asked a question and people answered it. He did not invite their souls to be harvested. You could have taken that opportunity to explain the sanctity of forgiveness as you see it but from what I gather, you chose to get angry with Fred.

Fred had already been called out on the carpet for it. By me. I have the self authority to do that. The same way someone would kick my arse if I put battery acid in the brownies.

I believe Fred asked a hard question and made people think.

No that was not intended to make people think but to feel.

Their answer to the question was and still is their choice.

That is their choice. By their own choices they will fall. I hope to give people a place to make the informed choice the opportunity that Fred did not give.





This interaction on the other hand, in my opinion, is out of line. You attacked Fred and accused him of being: A) Unaware

He is. Aware people don't do things like that. The very fact he couldn't defend what he did tells me that much. He chose to relinquish responsibility to it. Because he didn't know what he was doing.

B) Harvesting souls for the devil.


Priming the pump, that's right.

that he would possibly knowingly do that, “I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention.”

His conscious intention. No. People make agreements all the time without knowing it. Do I think Fred plotted to do that or it was pre mediated. No. It was pre-mediated by something that moved Fred to do it. Usually the emotional body. Once that gets in control of something other than one's self, things like this do and will happen.

First you attack Fred, and there is no doubt in my mind you attacked Fred (judge, jury and hammer) and then you tell us that if we get angry because you attack Fred that is how “they” operate and somehow make yourself the victim of your attack on Fred.


Well Sleepy. If you are ever attacked by an entity, or put in danger, in any way shape or form by things that you cannot see, I will know not to act on your behalf.

Is that fair?

thank you for making that clear. I will not intervene on your behalf. I know that people can't take correction. But that's not a good enough reason to allow them to hurt others at level where people don't even know they are getting hurt becaues they cannot take correction. Or risking themselves at. When I have a group of 40 year olds flying one ton horses around the arena with each other and they don't know what they are doing. They have to be corrected. To keep people safe.

This isn't a sandbox at school. It's reality.

Metaphysics is based on authorities. All of this is about claiming one's self authority.

[9eagle9]

Those are the easy questions Sleepy.. Here is the hard question.

If you don't understand any of this stuff, and you haven't read this thread or don't know much about this topic at all. How are you even able to make a determination if I am right or wrong, experienced enough or not experienced enough, correct or incorrect for challenging anything? Or questioning.

How would you know?

Hard question.

[sleepy]

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