The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Hi TraineeHuman!

I have been mulling over an idea for some time, an idea for a prolonged meditation that I feel would be of great benefit for me. The reason I have put off it's execution is because I also feel that it could be of great harm to me. It could go either way, so I have as yet done nothing with this idea. So I will ask your advice.

My idea is this: That I should meditate for an extended period on only one subject, and that this should be a complete exploration and acceptance of my own death. That I should think of nothing else but my own death for many hours, and thus drain out a lifetimes worth of fear. To die fully in the mind, but still live.

Should I do this?

Could this harm me psychologically? Would it help? Could I go insane?

I have a very strong desire to kick 'death' right up the ass, but I am a little afraid that it might bite back....

So far I’ve been doing my best to use the word “meditation” in a different sense than what is known as “contemplation”. Contemplation is often known as a form of “meditation”, particularly in Judeo-Christian and Muslim traditions and cultures. The difference is that in what I prefer to call meditation proper, what you’re doing is emptying your consciousness of thoughts. That emptying, rather counter-intuitively I suppose, is in itself a liberation from slavery.

Contemplation is what happens where you take a topic and you concentrate on thinking about that topic only. You keep focusing only on that topic, even after you’ve completely run out of being able to come up with any more of your thoughts or ideas about it. For a while after the thoughts stop you’ll probably just feel the energy of your emotions regarding this topic. Then they’ll give way to something subtler, which you may or may not perceive as “energy”. But you just stay with the topic – stay focused on it, that is.

Do I think that the question: “What does death really mean to me?” is a good one for contemplation? Absolutely. I think it’s brilliant. For anyone. But particularly for you, AwakeInADream.

Do I think it’s a good idea for you to spend many hours or days or weekends just contemplating that one topic? Well, to begin with I’d suggest doing it for no more than an hour or so at a time. My intuition says you would be well advised at present not to do it more than twice in a day, unfortunately. But certainly, it would be a great idea for you to do it every day, if you’re so motivated.

I do appreciate the strength of your intention to become free of all fear. I applaud that. Overcoming fear at a deep level is a real biggie, though. It takes work, and awareness. The energy of fear is the energy of freezing, or else of running away, or going invisible. Inwardly you have to keep overcoming the impulse to not be fully present, when you do this practice.

But going to extremes is something I see as belonging to the clever Western mind. Just spend a reasonable but substantial amount of time facing that fear each day, but also give everything plenty of time to percolate through your subconscious. And do get very grounded before you start. The way to face fear is with stillness. But the stillness comes first: you need to be able to always find that stillness easily before you try something like an all-day marathon, I feel. I don't believe that thinking of death for many hours in one hit will drain out the entire fear of death, or fear in general, I'm afraid (so to speak).

Also, dying fully in the mind isn't something you can will yourself to do. It has to happen organically, coming de profundis. It has to have its own momentum. It can't be forced, any more than one can ever force love.

Does anyone else have any thoughts or relevant experience?

Another practice which may very well be helpful to you is a type of walking meditation the same as or similar to that practised in Zen Buddhism. I'll do my best to describe how one does that in my next post.

[Libico]

Very interesting AwakeInADream - I think what you'll be doing is an amazing way to shed yourself of your fears of death and I'd be very interested to hear how things progress with that. I can relate, as in the military I had many long hours to kill and spent a lot of that time in contemplation of among other things, death and what happens after. Over the course of what was likely a couple of years I believe that I came to an understanding that has let me accept death for what it is - an inevitability and stepping stone as opposed to end of all things and something to be feared. Very curious to hear more about the walking meditation TH is referring to - I wonder how close this was to what I experienced.

Just my two cents here, but I'd recommend against trying to kick death in its ass per se; try to wine and dine it! Get yourself more acquainted with what you intuitively feel happens when our physical bodies die - serious contemplation and focus leads to clarity that will give you a better idea of why this is such a big fear for you. Some of our strongest fears originate from the unknown (and death is the classic example of this), and exploring the root of your fears will go a long way to overcoming them.

[TraineeHuman]

The following has never been described publicly before, as far as I know. However, it is used to this day in Zen Buddhism. In fact, I’ve come across the writings of four Zen masters who described what types of meditation and other activities they set for their students. I was very surprised to learn that two of them, including the sitting Zen Patriarch, assigned more hours per day to the walking meditation I’ll now attempt to describe than they did to sitting meditation. That was nice, because this walking meditation has always been one of my favorite types of meditation (as also has the very slow motion walk some Buddhists do – that’s just walking in a straight line, in very slow motion).

The walking meditation is sometimes also known as “walking between two posts (or walls)” meditation. The way it works is that you walk about five to ten meters till you’re at a post (or wall), then you stop and ground yourself by firmly slapping your right palm, at around shoulder height or a little higher, against the post or wall, so that you really feel its solidity and you know with your whole body, including your eyes, exactly what your location is at that moment. Then you turn around 180 degrees backwards, and face the opposite post (or wall), noting its exact location, and your exact location relative to it. Then you walk to that post (or wall) and repeat the above. In between the posts you go into 4D (which I’m assuming you can do because the SOTB pdf teradactyl mentioned at the end of post #277 (quoting a post by Raf) teaches you how to simply detach into 4D). While in 4D you just silently let the energies flow of whatever negative emotions are coming up in you that you feel a need to work on (such as your fear of death, say).

It’s essential that when you come to each post, every time you come fully back into your physical body and regain full control and coordination of it, and only then should you turn around to walk back. You quickly learn how to do this with practice, provided you are initially very, very conscientious about taking back full control of your physical body and being fully in your body at that moment.

Well, that’s the exercise. It may not sound like much, but it offloads baggage from you very efficiently.

[AuCo]

I am sorry for being late in response - so much to catch on and I lost track of this thread.

Well, it happened once and only as an accident. I was playing ping pong with some friends. The ball was flying only within inches towards my chest. I thought I had to jump back to get enough room to return it, then it just happened. It felt (the weightlessness) like when I was dreaming.

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by AuCo (here)
Surface skimming: making long stride along a clear path, just inches off ground for as long as I wish to stay afloat. Yes, this happens when I feel some what in a rush, and only in a dream, until it actually happened in real life.

Are you saying you can levitate, AuCo? If so, what did you do to learn that? Meditation? T'ai chi? Q'i gong? And how often did you practise? Did you have a teacher?

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
It’s essential that when you come to each post, every time you come fully back into your physical body and regain full control and coordination of it, and only then should you turn around to walk back. You quickly learn how to do this with practice, provided you are initially very, very conscientious about taking back full control of your physical body and being fully in your body at that moment.

Hi TH, i actually really like this concept. can you elaborate more on the moment i've quoted above? i guess i am interested in learning more about the 4D that happens in this moment, in between posts/walls.

[TraineeHuman]

I prefer to write only from my own experience. So the following is my take on this. What I experience between walls (or posts) is a free flow of emotions, by which I mean stuck energies. They flow through my body and mind.

I watch them with a view to understanding them, rather than fully experiencing them. The difference is like, you don’t actually need to become an alcoholic to know that drinking too much is not a good idea and can have socially and personally destructive consequences; or, you don’t need to actually run over a child before you understand that reckless driving can be very dangerous. It’s about somehow catching the insight into what was behind each major unhappy experience.

I guess that’s what I would call “energy work” rather than it being a typical form of meditation. At some point – maybe only years in the future – I’ll get some sort of insight that the detached watching of that free flow of emotions was a detached partial re-experiencing of certain specific past traumas – some even from past lifetimes or alternate timelines. But while I’m doing the exercise every now and then insights or energy “discharges” will come up. Though I probably won’t know where in my past they’re coming from and creating a healing of.

So, for example, AwakeInADream might reflect a little on his fear of death or his fear of whatever. Then if he does this exercise the emotions will probably be mostly fears, and while he is watching them he will be detachedly treating them as “just energy” with no special significance on a conscious level – as far as he can manage. It could take hours of attempted practice before a newbie might learn how even to let her or his stuck energies flow. Substantial prior experience in a form of sitting meditation, such as the watching-the-breath meditation, would usually make it come much quicker.

Beyond the 4D and 5D flow of emotions (and stuck ideas) there are subtler flows in higher Ds, but I guess most of that comes later, only after many, many hours.

Does this answer your question fully enough, teradactyl?

[kintun]

Hi TH,
I want to ask you something, though it may sound a little weird. You know, there is this "spirit guy" who walkes around my house everyday but always passes the night in my shower. I've talked to him, I know his name and that he died of cancer because he smoked too much. Many times he puts some "cigarette ashes" in my washing machine, so when I open it, clothes smell like an ashtray. The thing is I've told him to leave and all that, but he doesn't. And when I try to have an OBE I feel afraid to find him at night.
I know it sounds kind of silly, but that's it...do you have any advice for me in this particular case? I want so much to have a complete OBE but fear gets in the way....
Thanks again for all your posts!

[TraineeHuman]

The type of dead person you have in your home, kintun, is described in post #32. These types of dead people are called “earthbound”. They are also called “ghosts”. It can take a number of years, even decades, before they will move on. They live in the lowest level of 4D.

I have certainly managed to persuade or guide literally thousands of them to ascend to mid-4D or higher. But I used to have a spiritual teacher once who had a dead Arab man who for many years would sit in the corner of the room where he worked with his clients. That Arab man somehow believed that that apartment was his home, and the teacher was unable to persuade him otherwise.

If I could physically come to your home, I’m sure I could have a conversation with this dead person and probably get him to leave by creating a pool of healing light in 4D which he would be able to see was more attractive and feels more fun in some ways than where he is living now. Unfortunately, you live in a different country. But I’ll visit in 4D during the weekend and see if I can get your “lodger” to move out.

You have absolutely nothing to fear regarding this person. His only power is to bluff – that is, to control you by using your fear. If you can hold back your fear, he has no other power over you. Now that I have put some attention on him, he has been sending big shivers down my spine, trying to make me think I am afraid of him. But I’m not afraid at all.

The fact that he can leave cigarette ash behind means that he has been dead and in 4D for a long time. Otherwise, he would not have learnt how to control anything in 3D so well that he could materialize 3D cigarette ash. He may therefore be almost ready to leave anyway.

I have noticed that earthbound spirits like him often look for spiritually evolved people and try to live near them or be near them. This usually seems to be because after they die they work out that they are not in “heaven”, and they feel they should therefore find a “spiritual” person because they hope such a person will know how to get to “heaven”. All the dead people around them will be as lost as they are, so that’s why they look for such a person in the 3D world.

After this weekend, please let me know if he is still in your house. If he is, there are a number of things we can try to remove him then, but I’m hoping I can do it when I visit. I can tell that he’s very worried that I might be right about that.

[Chester]

Hi - I had an incredible stretch starting the evening of February 5th and extending through all day yesterday (the 6th). Why I am writing about this here is because there was a dog in my life named Angel. She lived to be almost 17 years old. She was with me through so many hard times. She experienced some of my darker sides but mostly she experienced my good nature. I love her today even though she is "gone" physically. During the wee hours of yesterday morning, I was dreaming vividly of dogs. Suddenly near the end of this dream segment - There was Angel! I was able to share with her my love for her and I was able to apologize for when I imposed my will upon her about which I had been carrying guilt for years now. I felt her forgiveness. In fact, her appearance to me was her demonstration of her forgiveness.

Strangely the dream shifted and I found myself with another "angel" - this one is a woman who is still with us and is 95 years old. This woman is named Gay. She is the mother of my father's second wife, "Ginger," who passed on in 1979. My father followed Ginger to his (and perhaps their) next experience a few months later by way of his will to leave this physical realm. Ginger and my father had a "miracle" baby (a miracle in that Ginger was told since the early 60s she could not have children). Christopher, her only child and the only child of my father and Ginger was only 1.5 years old at the time of losing both his mother and father. At that time Gay was in her early 60s. Gay agreed to raise her grandson, my half brother. Chris calls Gay, "Mom," to this day and loves her dearly.

This side of the family lived in California (my sister and I from Texas and still Texans) and so we had little contact with Chris. Strangely, I recently learned in an e-mail from my sister that Gay's birthday happened to coincide with my father's which is January 13th. I decided to risk calling her. The risk being that I knew if she was still with us, she had to be nearing 100.

I called on her birthday and was able to speak with both her and my brother when it had been years since we spoke. It was and still is an incredibly healing experience.

So in the same sleep time though a completely shifted dream experience, I dreamed of Gay. In the dream she was loving and kind to me. I needed these "healings" as I have been ready to receive them. I received these astral visits because I am now ready to learn and grow from the issues I had within me that prevented this bonding at this level of my familial experience. It is about time I stop trying to save the world and just give love to the gifts I have been directly given...

my family.

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
I prefer to write only from my own experience. So the following is my take on this. What I experience between walls (or posts) is a free flow of emotions, by which I mean stuck energies. They flow through my body and mind.

I watch them with a view to understanding them, rather than fully experiencing them. The difference is like, you don’t actually need to become an alcoholic to know that drinking too much is not a good idea and can have socially and personally destructive consequences; or, you don’t need to actually run over a child before you understand that reckless driving can be very dangerous. It’s about somehow catching the insight into what was behind each major unhappy experience.

I guess that’s what I would call “energy work” rather than it being a typical form of meditation. At some point – maybe only years in the future – I’ll get some sort of insight that the detached watching of that free flow of emotions was a detached partial re-experiencing of certain specific past traumas – some even from past lifetimes or alternate timelines. But while I’m doing the exercise every now and then insights or energy “discharges” will come up. Though I probably won’t know where in my past they’re coming from and creating a healing of.

So, for example, AwakeInADream might reflect a little on his fear of death or his fear of whatever. Then if he does this exercise the emotions will probably be mostly fears, and while he is watching them he will be detachedly treating them as “just energy” with no special significance on a conscious level – as far as he can manage. It could take hours of attempted practice before a newbie might learn how even to let her or his stuck energies flow. Substantial prior experience in a form of sitting meditation, such as the watching-the-breath meditation, would usually make it come much quicker.

Beyond the 4D and 5D flow of emotions (and stuck ideas) there are subtler flows in higher Ds, but I guess most of that comes later, only after many, many hours.

Does this answer your question fully enough, teradactyl?

yes, very clearly. i appreciate your response and do look forward to accumulating experience doing new types of meditation.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by justoneman (here)
...there was a dog in my life named Angel. She lived to be almost 17 years old. She was with me through so many hard times. She experienced some of my darker sides but mostly she experienced my good nature. I love her today even though she is "gone" physically. During the wee hours of yesterday morning, I was dreaming vividly of dogs. Suddenly near the end of this dream segment - There was Angel! I was able to share with her my love for her and I was able to apologize for when I imposed my will upon her about which I had been carrying guilt for years now. I felt her forgiveness. In fact, her appearance to me was her demonstration of her forgiveness.

Strangely the dream shifted and I found myself with another "angel" - this one is a woman who is still with us and is 95 years old. This woman is named Gay. She is the mother of my father's second wife, "Ginger," who passed on in 1979. My father followed Ginger to his (and perhaps their) next experience a few months later by way of his will to leave this physical realm. ...
I decided to risk calling her. The risk being that I knew if she was still with us, she had to be nearing 100.

I called on her birthday and was able to speak with both her and my brother when it had been years since we spoke. It was and still is an incredibly healing experience.

So in the same sleep time though a completely shifted dream experience, I dreamed of Gay. In the dream she was loving and kind to me. I needed these "healings" as I have been ready to receive them. I received these astral visits because I am now ready to learn and grow from the issues I had within me that prevented this bonding at this level of my familial experience. It is about time I stop trying to save the world and just give love to the gifts I have been directly given...

my family.

Pet animals remain just as much our wholehearted friends after they die. From their point of view, by being their proto-parent we opened up a whole huge world for them that they never knew existed. After all, they try to copy us and our energies faithfully in every way, as far as they can -- even though it's not always easy for them. That huge new world for them particularly includes the world of being consciously individual, and the desire and possibility for them to incarnate as a human in the near future.

For this they are enormously grateful.

I would say you're quite right, Chester. Your cat completely forgave you for any abuse.

There's also something known as the Stockholm syndrome in humans, where hostages fall in love with their captors. They do so as a way of subconsciously deceiving themselves and avoiding the need to fully face what it means to be a hostage. I don't think animals are devious enough to exhibit anything like that syndrome, though.

Dead pets will often wait for decades in 4D until they can join you there after your death. They can put many helpful thoughts in your head telepathically, most of which you probably won't notice. I'm sure you're right in hinting that the ideas to re-connect with those family members was put in your head by your faithful cat!

I imagine the use of animal totems came about because someone noticed how helpful and what loyal friends animals are even in the afterlife.

[greybeard]

Mellen-Thomas Benedict
stated that via OBE you can visit every place in the Universe he likened his NDE to an OBE
The audio below is a very positive view of now and the future.
Chris



NDE Revelations
Mellen-Thomas Benedict shared details of his incredible Near Death Experience (NDE) that took place in 1982, while he was in hospice care for a terminal illness. He was without vital signs for at least an hour and a half before he returned to his body.

Here are some of highlights of what he learned while on the "Other Side:" The Other Side is not all it's cracked up to be-- being in a human body is actually a more optimal way to experience the universe. Black holes at the center of galaxies function as great processors of universal matter-- a total recycling machine. No evil exists in the human soul, and a person is purified of any evil or darkness before they are reincarnated. Reincarnation occurs automatically, driven by the body which is more powerful and millions of years older than the mind. The Other Side is totally individualized and each person experiences it uniquely. Earth has expended 90% of its life force, the sun is getting old, and we're beginning to lose the moon. Also the liquid metal core of the Earth is cooling and water will evaporate within the next 2,000 years. It's humanity's manifest destiny to leave Earth and colonize other planets. Within the next 400 years such "star seeding" will begin.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F_r3fVV8F1U

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Mellen-Thomas Benedict shared details of his incredible Near Death Experience (NDE) ...
Here are some of highlights of what he learned while on the "Other Side:" The Other Side is not all it's cracked up to be-- being in a human body is actually a more optimal way to experience the universe. ... No evil exists in the human soul, and a person is purified of any evil or darkness before they are reincarnated...

So many issues raised in one video, Greybeard! Thank you very much. I certainly have comments on a variety of these issues. But it would be great to hear about others’ comments or experiences or opinions too. And yes, of course. NDEs are probably the most common type of OBE where the individual goes very deeply into some OB world or other and often stays there for a relatively long time.

I seem to remember seeing postings of yours, Greybeard, of other videos of at least two other NDE survivors. If I remember correctly, in each case there was much that conflicted with Benedict's account. As Benedict says, the experience of the world after death varies greatly with each individual.

I agree that after physical death a great cleansing of “negativity” occurs for every one of us. But what also occurs is that, after the life-review, each individual – or, rather, their HS – judges them. Although the HS was in many ways nonjudgmental while we were alive, now it briefly becomes very judgmental. And because I have lengthy clear memories of the “between lives” worlds, I claim to know that the individual lays all those judgments onto their own body-mind at the time of birth in their next physical body.

Let’s set aside, for a moment, whatever the NWO and the elite may do to the person. Typically, the person imposes many huge psychological burdens on themselves in the terrible negative self-judgments they take on at birth. “I’m not attractive enough,” “I’m so incomplete,” and dozens of others, differing from one individual to another. So, although I guess it’s accurate enough to say that an infant about to be born has been wiped clean of their negativity, I’d also point out that many of the judgments that infant is committed to taking on at birth are themselves negative.

This is why I feel it’s so crucial for everyone to learn to genuinely like themselves, and to forgive themselves for all their mistakes while also staying responsible for them all. I guess I don’t really care if they do it through meditation and they discover how beautiful and positive their true inner nature is, and that that’s the real them. Or they may do it in various ways – such as person-centred psychotherapy, or an NDE or even a whole number of OBEs. Maybe just by practicing feeling the aliveness inside them at least several times a day – which for me shades into the basis of many types of meditation.

Imagine the difference between how someone who has learnt to really, genuinely like themselves will judge themselves after death, compared to someone who hasn’t. Let’s say they have had exactly the same or equivalent experiences all their lives. The second person may conclude: “I always make a mess of relationships, in the following list of ways…” The first person, however, might honestly judge themselves as follows: “None of my relationships were perfect, but by and large I managed to hold them together nicely for as long as they were constructive and as long as they were meant to last.” I guess it comes down a lot to glass half-empty or half-full, but it has to be totally honest and totally real and regarding how you truly perceive yourself.

“The OB worlds aren’t all they’re cracked up to be”? I’ll have to take a bite on that one, in one of my next posts.

[TraineeHuman]

kintun, I visited your home in 4D and spent fifteen minutes working with the spirit there. I didn’t know in advance what I would do, because he kept reading my thoughts “in advance”.

But I soon decided to send him psychic healing. He didn’t seem to be able to resist taking such energy in, at all. That was a surprise to me, because I know that most people with a physical body resist accepting psychic healing “energy” fully in some way.

He soon began trying to take over my body – to do a “walk-in” into my body. In a way, he was kind of doing to me something like what I was trying to do to him, you could say. Although it seemed clear from the start that he wouldn’t succeed at this, he was doing it as a tactic to try to distract me from continuing to send healing energy. I experienced strong pain at the points where he tried to enter my body. Mostly these were at the middle of where the back of the neck meets the back of the head, and also where the middle of the bottom of the neck joins the collarbone. He also briefly tried to enter by my solar plexus, through the front of my brain and through the amygdala at the side of the brain. It was very painful and very uncomfortable.

I saw waves of violet energy a number of times. Those normally appear when certain healing angels come to remove some energies and take them “up” into a higher dimension. So the strength of his need to stay earthbound in the lowest level of 4D won’t be as strong now as it was before.

At the end I saw there was still a great deal of slightly darkish red in his energy field. I’m sure that energy is what’s keeping him earthbound. Probably he was addicted to drugs or alcohol, though I suppose it’s possible it was just nicotine. I haven’t been able to get details like that from him so far.

Because there was just so much darker red energy still left, I consider I need to visit him again, to see if more of that energy can be moved. I’ll be doing so within the next two days, and will have some further comments then.

[kintun]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
kintun, I visited your home in 4D and spent fifteen minutes working with the spirit there. I didn’t know in advance what I would do, because he kept reading my thoughts “in advance”.

But I soon decided to send him psychic healing. He didn’t seem to be able to resist taking such energy in, at all. That was a surprise to me, because I know that most people with a physical body resist accepting psychic healing “energy” fully in some way.

He soon began trying to take over my body – to do a “walk-in” into my body. In a way, he was kind of doing to me something like what I was trying to do to him, you could say. Although it seemed clear from the start that he wouldn’t succeed at this, he was doing it as a tactic to try to distract me from continuing to send healing energy. I experienced strong pain at the points where he tried to enter my body. Mostly these were at the middle of where the back of the neck meets the back of the head, and also where the middle of the bottom of the neck joins the collarbone. He also briefly tried to enter by my solar plexus, through the front of my brain and through the amygdala at the side of the brain. It was very painful and very uncomfortable.

I saw waves of violet energy a number of times. Those normally appear when certain healing angels come to remove some energies and take them “up” into a higher dimension. So the strength of his need to stay earthbound in the lowest level of 4D won’t be as strong now as it was before.

At the end I saw there was still a great deal of slightly darkish red in his energy field. I’m sure that energy is what’s keeping him earthbound. Probably he was addicted to drugs or alcohol, though I suppose it’s possible it was just nicotine. I haven’t been able to get details like that from him so far.

Because there was just so much darker red energy still left, I consider I need to visit him again, to see if more of that energy can be moved. I’ll be doing so within the next two days, and will have some further comments then.

Wow! Thank you VERY MUCH TH!! I truly appreciate the time your are dedicating to help me with this issue......
I don't know what hours of difference we have but today I entered the bathroom this morning about 9 and it smelled as if someone had been smoking in there...I felt something like anger (revenge?) but in a weaker way. Now I was inside again, to see how it felt, and his energy is much weak...no wonder he didn't leave the many times I asked him...The only thing that kept him away is an object called "energetic octagon" (octagono energético in Spanish) which is a curious though effective device to hold those energies back.
Thanks again! ! :D

[AwakeInADream]

I think I may have gone OBE this morning, but then it very quickly turned into a dream which was at first lucid but then went out of my control.

As I woke up I stared into the darkness and kept still, and then suddenly was able to see my hands in front of me, then the scenery of a town that I don't know. Then I was able to feel my body and was amazed at how physical I felt, at how real it was.

I was in some kind of shop looking out of the window at a town I didn't know, but at the same time I do feel like I've visited this place often in dreams. I then turned to my left and saw a woman standing there. I was curious to know weather she could see me so I said to her "Am I really here?". She just looked at me surprised as if to say 'Well where else would you be?', but she didn't speak. I then asked her "What town is this?" to which she did speak in answer, except I didn't understand her words, they were foreign in a way that I didn't recognize (perhaps even alien). I repeated my question 3 times and got the same indecipherable reply.

What happened next was much more dreamlike without any control and quickly faded from my memory.

Was this a real OBE? Or am I still just practicing in my dreams? It certainly felt real to begin with, but I'm unsure at which point it turned into a dream. Maybe only my hands were real and the place, but the woman and the strange conversation was a dream?

Also I often visit places in my dreams that I've never been to in life, and the places are always the same, streets and houses.

Are these places real? And if so are they real in this world or are they real in the astral plane? Do we build mental homes for ourselves in the astral plain that are often forgotten about when we wake up?

I'm pretty sure that I have a house over there that doesn't change much over time. I get the feeling that I'm living two separate lives in two plains at once, but that these parallel lives rarely know or remember each other.

Anyway, I'm rather confused about what this experience was, but also about who I was as a possibly independent version of myself living another life.

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When I woke up after this I took advantage of my unusual 'in-between' mind-state and began to contemplate death at which point I had a flash of insight: that 'death is something that we could choose to give up, as bad habit rather like smoking.'

This 'insight' doesn't make sense to my rational conscious mind, but I observed this as a fully formed idea not of my own.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by greybeard (here)
NDE Revelations
Mellen-Thomas Benedict shared details of his incredible Near Death Experience (NDE) that took place in 1982, while he was in hospice care for a terminal illness. He was without vital signs for at least an hour and a half before he returned to his body.

Here are some of highlights of what he learned while on the "Other Side:" The Other Side is not all it's cracked up to be-- being in a human body is actually a more optimal way to experience the universe. Black holes at the center of galaxies function as great processors of universal matter-- a total recycling machine. No evil exists in the human soul, and a person is purified of any evil or darkness before they are reincarnated. Reincarnation occurs automatically, driven by the body which is more powerful and millions of years older than the mind. The Other Side is totally individualized and each person experiences it uniquely. Earth has expended 90% of its life force, the sun is getting old, and we're beginning to lose the moon. Also the liquid metal core of the Earth is cooling and water will evaporate within the next 2,000 years. It's humanity's manifest destiny to leave Earth and colonize other planets. Within the next 400 years such "star seeding" will begin.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F_r3fVV8F1U

Hi Greybeard! The part I've highlighted about the water evaporating reminds me of the prophecy of the future Maitreya Buddha. This quote from the prophecy about the time that he will come:

At that time, the ocean will lose much of its water, and there will be much less of it than now. In consequence a world-ruler will have no difficulties in passing across it. India, this island of Jambu, will be quite flat everywhere, it will measure ten thousand leagues, and all men will have the privilege of living on it. It will have innumerable inhabitants, who will commit no crimes or evil deeds, but will take pleasure in doing good. The soil will then be free from thorns, even, and covered with a fresh green growth of grass; when one jumps on it, it gives way, and becomes soft like the leaves of the cotton tree. It has a delicious scent, and tasty rice grows on it, without any work. Rich silken, and other fabrics of various colours shoot forth from the trees. The trees will bear
leaves, flowers and fruits simultaneously; they are as high as the voice can reach and they last for eight myriads of years. Human beings are then without any blemishes, moral offences are unknown among them, and they are full of zest and joy. Their bodies are very large and their skin has a fine hue. Their strength is quite extraordinary. Three kinds of illness only are known -- people must relieve their bowels, they must eat, they must get old. Only when five hundred years old do the women marry.

It's an extremely hopeful prophecy, even if they're won't be much water I'm sure we'll cope

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I think I may have gone OBE this morning, but then it very quickly turned into a dream which was at first lucid but then went out of my control.

As I woke up I stared into the darkness and kept still, and then suddenly was able to see my hands in front of me, then the scenery of a town that I don't know. Then I was able to feel my body and was amazed at how physical I felt, at how real it was.

I was in some kind of shop looking out of the window at a town I didn't know, but at the same time I do feel like I've visited this place often in dreams. I then turned to my left and saw a woman standing there. I was curious to know weather she could see me so I said to her "Am I really here?". She just looked at me surprised as if to say 'Well where else would you be?', but she didn't speak. I then asked her "What town is this?" to which she did speak in answer, except I didn't understand her words, they were foreign in a way that I didn't recognize (perhaps even alien). I repeated my question 3 times and got the same indecipherable reply.

What happened next was much more dreamlike without any control and quickly faded from my memory.

Was this a real OBE? Or am I still just practicing in my dreams? It certainly felt real to begin with, but I'm unsure at which point it turned into a dream. Maybe only my hands were real and the place, but the woman and the strange conversation was a dream?

Also I often visit places in my dreams that I've never been to in life, and the places are always the same, streets and houses.

Are these places real? And if so are they real in this world or are they real in the astral plane? Do we build mental homes for ourselves in the astral plain that are often forgotten about when we wake up?

I'm pretty sure that I have a house over there that doesn't change much over time. I get the feeling that I'm living two separate lives in two plains at once, but that these parallel lives rarely know or remember each other.

Anyway, I'm rather confused about what this experience was, but also about who I was as a possibly independent version of myself living another life.

It’s quite plausible that you have a house of your own in 4D. One thing I know is that in all the levels of 4D the currency, which is the same as the food, is awareness or life-energy or “light” – or whatever else it is that we create when we meditate or raise our consciousness. I'm not so sure you'd be living an entire separate life in 4D, though. Your 3D life would demand much input from your 4D part into the 3D life -- which in any case features 4D emotions and 5D thoughts.

It’s still humorous to me how in 4D and 5D I’m so very popular (and sexy), which seems to be the case only because I’m rich there, and that seems to amount to the fact that I give off a strong “light” there. In 4D and 5D, fat is beautiful, so to speak. Anybody with sufficient awareness to consciously astral travel even once – or, indeed, to be interested in the issues discussed in this Forum – is likely to be rich and popular in those regions also, and for similar reasons. About eighteen months after I first started astral traveling, a clairvoyant asked me if I realised I had dozens of people in 4D following me everywhere – I assume so that they could get more “light” or learn about how I managed to do it. I took a look, and found he was right. At the time I had a very aware ladyfriend, and I noticed she had a similar entourage all of her own. It’s a good idea not to have such an entourage. I seemed to manage to get rid of mine. Don’t know how.

I wouldn’t worry too much about whether or to what extent one may be dreaming rather than consciously astral traveling at this stage. I’d suggest taking all remembered dreams as astral travel, initially, because that seems to work for people who go on to develop their OB skills further. The trouble is, no-one seems to know exactly how, and to what extent, memory and awareness are interconnected. But we do know that two of the things that happen during REM sleep are that we “file away” into memory and emotionally “process” everything that happened in the last day, and also REM sleep is the main time when we dream or astral travel.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Mellen-Thomas Benedict
stated that via OBE you can visit every place in the Universe ...

I'm aware that from 4D and higher one can access some information about, and some experience of, everything in the physical universe, and you can get some kind of true answer to any meaningful question. I don't believe that information or that answer will normally be fully complete, though.

... Here are some of highlights of what he learned while on the "Other Side:" The Other Side is not all it's cracked up to be-- being in a human body is actually a more optimal way to experience the universe. Black holes at the center of galaxies function as great processors of universal matter-- a total recycling machine. ... Reincarnation occurs automatically, driven by the body which is more powerful and millions of years older than the mind.

"Not all it's cracked up to be"? Well, I guess the 3D world is like a tough boot camp. But the way I see it, by the time you've passed that boot camp, you'll be so fit you'll only need to do maintenance work to keep your fitness at that level. No need to subject yourself to more unnecessary suffering by re-visiting the boot camp.

On the video Benedict says that after death we go back into "light" eventually. In my understanding and experience, what we know as light is kind of the shadow in 3D of something that comes from or is at the highest levels of universality/ enlightenment/ Great Spirit.
My understanding is that we will kind of automatically get returned into a 3D body unless we are totally able to let go of any need to be a "thing" or solid or a particle or whatever it might be that could be a non-abstract noun. That isn't just a conceptual shift -- it's something we have to experience in (the lowest level of) spiritual enlightenment. Unfortunately, to anyone who hasn't experienced this I guess it sounds like it's just a change of how one conceptualises reality.

One needs to be able to dwell and -- yes! -- OB "travel" in 6D for this to be true. I once tried hard to work out how to describe what 6D travel is like. I decided that in some ways the experience could be described as like being an (infinitely thin) point that just goes in every direction and makes all kinds of link-ups everywhere. I came to the conclusion that using the metaphor of a travelling point is misleading to the extent that we think of a point as something passive and limited, and probably not packed full of life. But otherwise I feel that metaphor at least gives one some idea of what 6D is like. No matter of any kind, no "frequency" of any kind, no waves, and no time in the 3D sense -- but lots of change (which is still possible as long as there is such a thing as "difference").
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It's humanity's manifest destiny to leave Earth and colonize other planets. Within the next 400 years such "star seeding" will begin.

Indeed, it's very hard to stop the coming Golden Age from happening, no matter what Obama and co. may do. And yet, it seems equally hard to find any way of avoiding great chaos and other hardship that the kids and adolescents now growing up will have to live through,one way or another.

[kintun]

1am and cigarette smoke smells in the bathroom. Tough guy.