Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Shin'Ar]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
nevertheless you can't force anybody to do it and those who consciously choose to become zombified should be allowed to do so, imo.

What you say is true however would you agree that there are differences between tolerating, enabling, promoting, allowing, and efforting to assist others in being aware of their options? Otherwise, we create the need to discern at what level of comprehensive evolution a person might be, designating either our tolerance or our assistance. And this is simply not something that we are able to do without great deconstruction of their evolved development. None of us can know the evolved status and/or evolved understanding of another.

So with that in mind, how does one go about discerning what information they should share with another individual. Or are you suggesting that none of us share any information between us at all, thereby evading the concern of imposing information on a field not evolved enough to retain it?

[Shin'Ar]

Posted by Houman (here)
On the origins of the term "devil"... (demons in the persian mythology and "shining ones" in the Indian mythology) and the origin of "lady justice"

We should also remember that in all of these religions there has been a continuous and successive process of perversion, corruption and manipulation of those ancient teachings. That one has been passed on to another is not a declaration of the integrity of the source, just an affirmation of this ongoing process of biased interpretation and practice.

How far back must we trace these processes of corrupting information before we actually get to the true source of that information?

Who knows? Much has been lost to greed and influences.

That which is recognized as the 'devil' today, should easily be discerned as a manifestation of the many corruptions in this long process of manipulation, no different from the unicorn, the cyclops, the minotaur, etc. etc.

Those who deliberate to establish some actual identity or presence to such manipulations of ancient teachings, do so in ignorance of the long process of corruption which is being seen throughout every religion on the globe.

In my humble opinion, what is commonly designated as 'devil' today, a result of the corruption of its origins, is more likely the antithesis of its origin.

[Houman]

From Fritz Springmeier
http://pentracks.com/blog/2013/02/li...nd-the-occult/

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Links between Sandy Hook and the occult

In 1991, I began warning that churches, schools and malls would be have shooters attack them. I gathered this from working with people escaping the Illuminati who talked about their plans. I placed this warning on a page in my Be Wise As Serpents book of 1991. I noticed Bill Cooper also warned of the same thing. There are many suspicious things about the entire Sandy Hook area. To the SE is HQ of the Church of Satanic Liberation led by Paul D. Valentine. And Sandy Hook was the eastern HQ of the Church of Satan led by LaVey. To the SW of Sandy Hook is an area where businessmen who work in NYC and belong to satanic covens have their second houses. In back of the Sandy Hook school is woods and further on is a Masonic Hall. Interestingly, over 10 of the properties on Yogananda St. (where Nancy reportedly lived with Adam Lanza, and one or more of the victims reportedly lived) were sold on Christmas Day, 2009. As Mortgage and Title companies are not usually open for business on Christmas, what is this mass exchange of titles on Christmas Day, 2009 all about?? Is this a government operation working along with the Satanic covens which work with certain agencies of the government which carry out trauma-based mind control? Is this whole tragedy something that has been planned and orchistrated for years to convince people to pass laws disarming the American people? Below are some links for more info…

Interesting Property Records – Yogananda Street

http://sandyhooktruth.wordpress.com/...ananda-street/

Iroqouis Gas Line Through Newtown, CT

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php...=1020#p2380796

Iroquois Gas Line Google Map–from CluesForum.info

Emilie Parker Photoshopped into Picture:

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php...milie#p2379750

also Emilie Parker Photoshopped into Picture:

http://www.dailypaul.com/269530/sand...-parker-theory

Lilly Gaubert’s Photo is Stolen from a Flickr (family photo upload site), and pictured in Daily Mail, Boston Globe and Facebook Articles as being Sandy Hook victim Allison Wyatt.

Here is the letter correcting the mistake (?) from Gaubert’s mother, Cathy Gaubert:

Dearest family and friends: Saturday afternoon I was made aware that a photo I took on August 14, 2009, of Lily on her first day of kindergarten, was found on multiple Facebook pages (8 that I know of at this time…3:30 a.m.) devoted to the horrific events in Connecticut. Written below the photo was, “R.I.P. to this little 6 year old angel who got killed in this horrible tragedy” and similar captions. This photo, MY PHOTO, of MY CHILD (this sweet, beautiful, alive and well child!), was taken from my Flickr page without my knowledge or consent and is fraudulently being used to garner ‘likes’ for these pages. Before we finally had it removed from one page, it had gotten 187,487 likes and 6,914 shares. I am so very afraid that I will not be able to ‘fix’ this. How on earth can I??? Honestly, this is beyond my comprehension. I need your help…all of you! With the vigilance, persistence, and kindness of family, friends, and complete strangers, we have gotten 7 of the pages to remove the photo. There is still one page out there (I’ll link to it below) that has ignored my messages and repeated postings. if you see Lily’s photo out there, send me the link, report the page to Facebook, and post on that page!!!!! I *never* ‘share’ things on FB, but I am asking you to share this and help to right a wrong. My heart is breaking for the victims and families in the wake of this horrific mass murder, and to exploit and further victimize other children is almost inconceiveable. Cathy Gaubert

Masonic Lodge Next to Woods Behind Sandy Hook School

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9QsGxAf46Z4

Satanism in Newtown–From http://planet.infowars.com/offbeat/c...ruiting-center

Text from actual Newsletter spoken of in the above link (gotten through proxy, so you don’t have to visit the actual site–ewww!) LETTER FROM LAVEY TO A SATANIST:

What is the Church of Satan and How Do I Get Involved?

The Church of Satan was founded by Dr. Anton Szandor LaVey, April 30th
1966 c.e. It was the first church based on the celebration of carnal
indulgences and pursuit of material happiness and success. (In
contrast to “spiritual enlightenment” and union with “God”). It was
literally meant as an eye-opener for those who would choose to cast
out false morality and blind faith, so to see with their own eyes and
think with their own minds, so that the human race could grow more
aware of itself rather than being clouded in self-righteous,
hypocritical deceit.

Satanists are driven to be leaders; they are strong and ambitious
individuals who are masters of the world and of themselves. Our
movement will enlighten those who act as predators, seeking material
rewards and victories as their needs meet. Likewise, it will leave
passive, non-thinkers to be enslaved in an increasingly demanding
world that they would naturally have to face regardlessly.…

Church of Satan: PO Box 210666 San Francisco, CA 94121

If you would like to recieve an official information packet on our
Church of Satan outpost in Connecticut, (AKA Church of Tiamat) or if
you have questions, write to:

Curtis M. LeBlanc [zdervish@gnn.com]

PO Box 3184 Newtown, CT 06470"

"

[Chester]

If you are devilsih yourself, you have a lot to learn from Zoroastrianism!

Ferey Kian

from this video -

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mI0rmCcGdoc

which is part one of the series where Houman posted part 3 above in post #2520

It seems a seeker of "knowledge" could discover both ends of the spectrum through the investigations prompted by this thread.

The more I learn, the less I am comfortable with the "thinking" contraption - my conscious mind.

It is definitely tricky.

Tiamat... was that not the planet that became the asteroid belt? Do "we" ever learn? Or is that the lesson? That we don't? Or worse... that we can't? Something called fate?

For the life of me, I don't think I can ever understand the intelligence that steers things in that direction unless its like that ball of energetic evil in the 5th Element... which was out there lurking until the curious (conquistadors) "World Military" armed with their weapons of mass construction decided that since they could not "understand it" then perhaps its best just to blow it up.

So if one considers hermetic philosophy... blowing up "evil" simply feeds the monster.

I am pretty much at the conclusion one can never (in this paradigm) ever eradicate evil. Thus it will always manifest where it wants, how it wants and when it wants.

Perhaps all any one "ensouled being" can ever do is understand how this dynamic works and do the best with it.

Maybe this strange, self destructive tendency we on Earth seem to pursue can be bread out of the purported "genetic interface" and as Bill has mentioned, may take several more generations.

I feel sometimes that my impatience actually creates a delay as to when that might happen (in my own world).

[Houman]

Russ Dizdar on Coast to Coast (Jan 17, 2013) on SRA

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iOASfSDTYzY

[Shin'Ar]

Posted by justoneman (here)

If you are devilsih yourself, you have a lot to learn from Zoroastrianism!

The more I learn, the less I am comfortable with the "thinking" contraption - my conscious mind.



I am pretty much at the conclusion one can never (in this paradigm) ever eradicate evil. Thus it will always manifest where it wants, how it wants and when it wants.

Perhaps all any one "ensouled being" can ever do is understand how this dynamic works and do the best with it.

Hey Justoneman,

I agree that the interface that our field of consciousness makes with our physical brain is one of the most difficult struggles that this human form imposes upon us.

Learning that the brain is just another of the many fleshly organs of this from, and that it does not have to be the guiding factor of our interaction with our environment, as many scientists will teach us, is probably the greatest lesson this human experience has to offer us. The human tends to let anything that seduces us lead us around like sheep to the pasture. The organ we call the stomach; how addicted are we to pleasing that? The reproductive organs, well let's not even talk about THAT brain.

Fact is, the brain is just an organ like any other in our body. It is not the source of our awareness or our evolved state of being. It is an organ which interfaces with our sensory organs, and causes us to feel certain stimulants according to subjection. Yes, some brains allow for what seems to be a higher intellect because of the ability that is enabled to store information or deduce certain situations via logic and rationale.

But such capability in no way assumes wisdom, or answers to what may be stored in a field of consciousness as memory and gathered information awaiting the trigger to bring it to the forefront. Intuition, memory/recall, and wisdom are not the results of brain function.

And as you have noted above, the brain can be extremely deceptive and distracting. Especially when we function only according to its stimulation as though it is all we have to work with.

It is what creates evil.

Evil is that which one would consider energy draining one's own spiritual welfare. So to one who would enjoy murder, evil to such would be justice.

Because of the brain, and our attachment to its stimulation, it is usually a matter of individual perspective that forms the opinions which become definitions.

But, when we begin to realize that the true self within has no need for the brain, and exists despite that stimulation, it becomes easier to understand why some choose to walk the paths that they do, and how those who seem to be free of those clutches, manage to find such delicate balance.


Balance is what it is really all about in a universe designed to have a dual nature.

And I believe this is what you are speaking to when you say this, 'understand how this dynamic works and do the best with it'


What more can any of us ask of ourselves?

[Jeffrey]

Great Zulu Shaman and Elder
CREDO MUTWA
On Alien Abduction & Reptilians

A Rare, Astonishing Conversation
9/30/99 by Rick Martin

Part One
http://www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html

Part Two
http://www.metatech.org/credo_2.html

[Chester]

Posted by Shin'Ar (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)

If you are devilsih yourself, you have a lot to learn from Zoroastrianism!

The more I learn, the less I am comfortable with the "thinking" contraption - my conscious mind.



I am pretty much at the conclusion one can never (in this paradigm) ever eradicate evil. Thus it will always manifest where it wants, how it wants and when it wants.

Perhaps all any one "ensouled being" can ever do is understand how this dynamic works and do the best with it.

Hey Justoneman,

I agree that the interface that our field of consciousness makes with our physical brain is one of the most difficult struggles that this human form imposes upon us.

Learning that the brain is just another of the many fleshly organs of this from, and that it does not have to be the guiding factor of our interaction with our environment, as many scientists will teach us, is probably the greatest lesson this human experience has to offer us. The human tends to let anything that seduces us lead us around like sheep to the pasture. The organ we call the stomach; how addicted are we to pleasing that? The reproductive organs, well let's not even talk about THAT brain.

Fact is, the brain is just an organ like any other in our body. It is not the source of our awareness or our evolved state of being. It is an organ which interfaces with our sensory organs, and causes us to feel certain stimulants according to subjection. Yes, some brains allow for what seems to be a higher intellect because of the ability that is enabled to store information or deduce certain situations via logic and rationale.

But such capability in no way assumes wisdom, or answers to what may be stored in a field of consciousness as memory and gathered information awaiting the trigger to bring it to the forefront. Intuition, memory/recall, and wisdom are not the results of brain function.

And as you have noted above, the brain can be extremely deceptive and distracting. Especially when we function only according to its stimulation as though it is all we have to work with.

It is what creates evil.

Evil is that which one would consider energy draining one's own spiritual welfare. So to one who would enjoy murder, evil to such would be justice.

Because of the brain, and our attachment to its stimulation, it is usually a matter of individual perspective that forms the opinions which become definitions.

But, when we begin to realize that the true self within has no need for the brain, and exists despite that stimulation, it becomes easier to understand why some choose to walk the paths that they do, and how those who seem to be free of those clutches, manage to find such delicate balance.


Balance is what it is really all about in a universe designed to have a dual nature.

And I believe this is what you are speaking to when you say this, 'understand how this dynamic works and do the best with it'


What more can any of us ask of ourselves?

Let me pour more gas onto this fire.

First, I am stuck in this dilemma regarding "soul." On the one hand, folks I highly respect speak/write as if the soul is real and that the soul is some essence most humans possess though maybe not all and that there are beings who do not have this "soul" and wish to have it and that it is these beings who are working like the devil (pardon the expression) to find some way to obtain it.

On the other hand we have other exceptional folks like Truman Cash, Amzer Zo that first come to my mind, both of whom I highly respect that contend the essential makeup of the physical human being is a spirit, a physical body and an interface between the two which Amzer Zo once called, the genetic interface.

So in my post, Shin'Ar, I was referring to what Amzer Zo had pointed out which meant within the context of a "triality" of a being. I appreciate your response, Shin'Ar, but it left me with the understanding I had not properly communicated what exactly I meant by the term "genetic interface." Clearly I am no expert but I follow leads pretty quickly and sometimes I strike the gold of understanding.

It is my interpretation that Amzer Zo is referring to a component that is able to link (and thus then also separate) the spirit from the body. In addition, Amzer Zo pointed out two important considerations in this regard.

Point 1 is that when a human being's foundation of attention is constantly shifting from their spirit to their body and then body to spirit, depending on the circumstances, what in fact the spirit being actually is, this experience could become confusing.

Some are of the opinion we (whoever deems they might be in this "we" group) were created by a benevolent being that gave us the physical body so that we might have an experience beyond that of a spirit being (for better or for worse... who knows).

The interface between the spirit being and their physical body is essentially a third component.

Each of these three components seem to have minds of their own. The way I read Amzer Zo's point here is that this separation of three fully conscious of themselves as independent components of a single being is part of the problem. Amzer Zo implies that we move our point of view foundation in our overall thought process from the body to the spirit and even that we find ourselves influenced by this genetic interface and that this constant shifting is what causes us to be out of balance or perhaps confused (and not know it) and thus far more easily manipulated by other beings.

Point 2 that I gather from Amzer Zo is the assertion that an intelligence of some sort has found a way to hijack a being through the genetic interface as it seems they cannot do this through any form of interaction with the spirit and perhaps the reason for that is that they have no "spirit" in this regard and thus cannot access the realm of the spirit. They cannot attack the physical body as then they lose the opportunity to achieve the goal which is purported to be to gain sustenance from a spirit being's energetic emotional emanations. Think about it... we are also emotional beings. It seems these other beings do not have the capacity to "feel" like we do and they want to be able to "feel" like we do as they see that "feeling" is the essence of the life experience. It is the pot of gold to these beings.

Then there are other beings who have accepted they are incapable of feeling and have decided they do not care to feel in this way and thus are intent on enslaving all beings to serve them in any capacity they desire or to perish. This group of beings wants to remain physically alive and/or continue to generate physical vessels within which their "being" can be implanted when a particular vessel is no longer viable.

So when I consider all the above in the context of this possibility of a fourth component we call a "soul" I am in a true dilemma as to is there something to it.

An additional point Amzer Zo made (at least a point I deduced he was trying to make) is that we are a single component/being. We are not these separate components. When we see these separate components, we provide the opportunity to other beings for our easy manipulation (as mentioned above). And so I believe he was pointing out that to add another "theoretical" component to the mix - the one we call "the soul" now provides and even greater opportunity for a being to be dominated/manipulated.

Yet, the author of this thread, Houman, seems quite drawn to the materials of Eve Lorgen who draws a great deal of her material from Dr, Malanga. Dr, Malanga has produced what he believes is an accurate mapping of our dynamic within creation where a being can probably figure out which creator they may be "father/mothered" by which includes within the overall scheme the assertion there are beings from other creators and/or sub creators where the beings have a different makeup of these various components and where some beings only have a few or perhaps even just one of these 4 essential components.

Amzer Zo as well as Truman Cash are quite suspect about this dynamic pointing out how the dynamic was obtained through hypnosis.

So who might be right? Could there be other possibilities? Of course.

So as not to get lost here as to why I was stimulated to respond specifically to Shin'Ar but to summarize some of the highlights of this threads recent groundwork I want to make sure that when I use the term "genetic interface" I am using in context of a component that is theoretical and thus theoretically exists between our physical body and our actual self which (to me) is the awareness I have behind all the fluff. My essential awareness. An awareness that when I found myself in a specific state, has no consciousness of separation. I simply feel like I am a drop of water in the sea and that all there is is water and that I have no consideration as to if I am a single drop or the entire (and endless) sea. I know this state as I have experienced this state many times in this life. In fact, quite often when I am in the dream state (exploring the subtle realms) I find myself in this state... it is a feeling. My "mind" seems to be there but seems to be way off to the side and more like a toll I occasionally pick up... a mere reflective tool but nothing more.

I find in my waking state I have developed the habit of living almost entirely within my mind which I have found has become a foundation of focus that is no longer attractive. It simply has gotten old.

Of course, long (monster) posts like this can appear to come from the mind but I have the sense that just about all this post came through my heart which seems to be from a "mind" perhaps, but I would say it is a "higher mind" not my lower, self centered individual mind.

I call this the Mind of God but it is still filtered though a veil of sorts... there is still some shadow cast upon my words. In addition, anyone who reads what I have written has their own shadow component to some degree and this is the essence of the holographic part of our experience.

Do note that David Icke has identified 4 paradigms which I have been playing with separately ever since I ran across his discussion and I have found so far that for me, these 4 layers (which implies there may be more) are definitely paradigms onto themselves.

Here is a copy/paste from my document that points this out (unedited) -

David Icke in this video
https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=uci2PswSCJ8 - !

the illusory nature of “physical” reality “Solidity is illusional”

it operates on a

One
waveform level / a vibrational level

Two
on an electrical level

Three
on a digital level

Four
on a holographic level

So when you have experiential/operational levels of being such as these four as mentioned by Icke (and perhaps more) and you have various creator beings which have been involved in making (or perhaps "bottling" "you" whether you be a "feeling" person or what some here call a psychopath or some alien being that has no soul (and that might perhaps seek to possess one) and that you have found yourself in a pattern of existence where you have allowed massive confusion to influence your experiences such that you begin a looping process lifetime after lifetime after lifetime seemingly going somewhere but actually just going deeper into one's own hole, then what could any one individual do to alter this course?

That to me is the essential question we each must answer. There is no one here that is going to be able to truly help another that may be an abductee or the victim of SRA or caught up in the cycles of addiction, etc unless they first climb out of the hole themselves and then solidify their being so that they can be strong when true adversity comes into their life again.

This is where I am at. I am the threshold of freedom as I have essentially climbed out of the hole, but I am also just outside the hole and can easily be pushed back in. I hope I can begin to solidify so that I can be truly and consistently helpful for my family. If that becomes a reality, I might hope to widen my influence to beyond my family but that is likely far, far away as I just now have one year of physical sobriety and have a long road to tow in regards to healing and becoming a consistent and reliable human being.

I know some get sick of my style, which is all and only about self experience... but I see no other way I can contribute in any real way that is not just mind blabber. I believe it is the example one becomes that speaks much louder than a bunch of theories to be honest. If you live a life of integrity, then even if you can't explain how that all came to pass, how all these components fit together, what realms are really real, what is just BS, etc... what does any of that really matter?

[Lettherebelight]

The references to the Sanskrit language are interesting, as well as the presentation of the ancient knowledge of Zoroasteranianism.

The understanding of supernatural/extra-terrestrial life can be confusing, as there are so many different types/species, and are represented under different nomenclature, according to the particular culture.

The Sanskrit word for 'demon' is actually 'asura': a (not), sura (auspicious, beneficial, godly).

My ability to express understanding of the many demons and auspicious personalities that exist is limited, so I offer this audio lecture of the suspiciously (yes, I say that clearly) late Richard Thompson(Forbidden Archeology, Sacred Universe-author), eminent scientist and scholar, who presents them from the Vedic viewpoint. It is lengthy (45 min), but if you stick with it, around 20:00 min mark we can hear of the Annunaki link and the beings visiting/living on Earth now.

Edit: I would like to preface this lecture by saying that Richard (Sadaputa das) is speaking to a gathering of Hare Krsna devotees, being a devout follower himself, hence the emphasis on discussion of the Vedas. He certainly did not consider UFO testimonies folklore, and only included the term in his attempt to reach a mainstream audience.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LyAcTZ0ViWo

I hope this link blends with topics being discussed. They are very important for our understanding. I don't post on this thread very often, but do keep up with it through reading. My initial reaction to this thread was one of repulsion, but now I'd like to thank Houman for presenting so much hard work research, although it not always makes for pleasant reading, it is key for our edification of whats going on!

[Shin'Ar]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Let me pour more gas onto this fire.

First, I am stuck in this dilemma regarding "soul." On the one hand, folks I highly respect speak/write as if the soul is real and that the soul is some essence most humans possess though maybe not all and that there are beings who do not have this "soul" and wish to have it and that it is these beings who are working like the devil (pardon the expression) to find some way to obtain it.

On the other hand we have other exceptional folks like Truman Cash, Amzer Zo that first come to my mind, both of whom I highly respect that contend the essential makeup of the physical human being is a spirit, a physical body and en interface between the two which Amzer Zo once called, the genetic interface.

So in my post, Shin'Ar, I was referring to what Amzer Zo had pointed out which meant within the context of a "triality" of a being. I appreciate your response, Shin'Ar, but it left me with the understanding I had not properly communicated what exactly I meant by the term "genetic interface." Clearly I am no expert but I follow leads pretty quickly and sometimes I strike the gold of understanding.

It is my interpretation that Amzer Zo is referring to a component that is able to link (and thus then also separate) the spirit from the body. In addition, Amzer Zo pointed out two important considerations in this regard.

Point 1 is that when a human being's foundation of attention is constantly shifting from their spirit to their body and then body to spirit, depending on the circumstances, what in fact the spirit being actually is, this experience could become confusing.

Some are of the opinion we (whoever deems they might be in this "we" group) were created by a benevolent being that gave us the physical body so that we might have an experience beyond that of a spirit being (for better or for worse... who knows).

The interface between the spirit being and their physical body is essentially a third component.

Each of these three components seem to have minds of their own. The way I read Amzer Zo's point here is that this separation of three fully conscious of themselves as independent components of a single being is part of the problem. Amzer Zo implies that we move our point of view foundation in our overall thought process from the body to the spirit and even that we find ourselves influenced by this genetic interface and that this constant shifting is what causes us to be out of balance or perhaps confused (and not know it) and thus far more easily manipulated by other beings.

Point 2 that I gather from Amzer Zo is the assertion that an intelligence of some sort has found a way to hijack a being through the genetic interface as it seems they cannot do this through any form of interaction with the spirit and perhaps the reason for that is that they have no "spirit" in this regard and thus cannot access the realm of the spirit. They cannot attack the physical body as then they lose the opportunity to achieve the goal which is purported to be to gain sustenance from a spirit being's energetic emotional emanations. Think about it... we are also emotional beings. It seems these other beings do not have the capacity to "feel" like we do and they want to be able to "feel" like we do as they see that "feeling" is the essence of the life experience. It is the pot of gold to these beings.

Then there are other beings who have accepted they are incapable of feeling and have decided they do not care to feel in this way and thus are intent on enslaving all beings to serve them in any capacity they desire or to perish. This group of beings wants to remain physically alive and/or continue to generate physical vessels within which their "being" can be implanted when a particular vessel is no longer viable.

So when I consider all the above in the context of this possibility of a fourth component we call a "soul" I am in a true dilemma as to is there something to it.

An additional point Amzer Zo made (at least a point I deduced he was trying to make) is that we are a single component/being. We are not these separate components. When we see these separate components, we provide the opportunity to other beings for our easy manipulation (as mentioned above). And so I believe he was pointing out that to add another "theoretical" component to the mix - the one we call "the soul" now provides and even greater opportunity for a being to be dominated/manipulated.

Yet, the author of this thread, Houman, seems quite drawn to the materials of Eve Lorgen who draws a great deal of her material from Dr, Malanga. Dr, Malanga has produced what he believes is an accurate mapping of our dynamic within creation where a being can probably figure out which creator they may be "father/mothered" by which includes within the overall scheme the assertion there are beings from other creators and/or sub creators where the beings have a different makeup of these various components and where some beings only have a few or perhaps even just one of these 4 essential components.

Amzer Zo as well as Truman Cash are quite suspect about this dynamic pointing out how the dynamic was obtained through hypnosis.

So who might be right? Could there be other possibilities? Of course.

So as not to get lost here as to why I was stimulated to respond specifically to Shin'Ar but to summarize some of the highlights of this threads recent groundwork I want to make sure that when I use the term "genetic interface" I am using in context of a component that is theoretical and thus theoretically exists between our physical body and our actual self which (to me) is the awareness I have behind all the fluff. My essential awareness. An awareness that when I found myself in a specific state, has no consciousness of separation. I simply feel like I am a drop of water in the sea and that all there is is water and that I have no consideration as to if I am a single drop or the entire (and endless) sea. I know this state as I have experienced this state many times in this life. In fact, quite often when I am in the dream state (exploring the subtle realms) I find myself in this state... it is a feeling. My "mind" seems to be there but seems to be way off to the side and more like a toll I occasionally pick up... a mere reflective tool but nothing more.

I find in my waking state I have developed the habit of living almost entirely within my mind which I have found has become a foundation of focus that is no longer attractive. It simply has gotten old.

Of course, long (monster) posts like this can appear to come from the mind but I have the sense that just about all this post came through my heart which seems to be from a "mind" perhaps, but I would say it is a "higher mind" not my lower, self centered individual mind.

I call this the Mind of God but it is still filtered though a veil of sorts... there is still some shadow cast upon my words. In addition, anyone who reads what I have written has their own shadow component to some degree and this is the essence of the holographic part of our experience.

Do note that David Icke has identified 4 paradigms which I have been playing with separately ever since I ran across his discussion and I have found so far that for me, these 4 layers (which implies there may be more) are definitely paradigms onto themselves.

Here is a copy/paste from my document that points this out (unedited) -

David Icke in this video
https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=uci2PswSCJ8 - !

the illusory nature of “physical” reality “Solidity is illusional”

it operates on a

One
waveform level / a vibrational level

Two
on an electrical level

Three
on a digital level

Four
on a holographic level

So when you have experiential/operational levels of being such as these four as mentioned by Icke (and perhaps more) and you have various creator beings which have been involved in making (or perhaps "bottling" "you" whether you be a "feeling" person or what some here call a psychopath or some alien being that has no soul (and that might perhaps seek to possess one) and that you have found yourself in a pattern of existence where you have allowed massive confusion to influence your experiences such that you begin a looping process lifetime after lifetime after lifetime seemingly going somewhere but actually just going deeper into one's own hole, then what could any one individual do to alter this course?

That to me is the essential question we each must answer. There is no one here that is going to be able to truly help another that may be an abductee or the victim of SRA or caught up in the cycles of addiction, etc unless they first climb out of the hole themselves and then solidify their being so that they can be strong when true adversity comes into their life again.

This is where I am at. I am the threshold of freedom as I have essentially climbed out of the hole, but I am also just outside the hole and can easily be pushed back in. I hope I can begin to solidify so that I can be truly and consistently helpful for my family. If that becomes a reality, I might hope to widen my influence to beyond my family but that is likely far, far away as I just now have one year of physical sobriety and have a long road to tow in regards to healing and becoming a consistent and reliable human being.

I know some get sick of my style, which is all and only about self experience... but I see no other way I can contribute in any real way that is not just mind blabber. I believe it is the example one becomes that speaks much louder than a bunch of theories to be honest. If you live a life of integrity, then even if you can't explain how that all came to pass, how all these components fit together, what realms are really real, what is just BS, etc... what does any of that really matter?

Wow, just freakin WOw JustOne.

Normally I would try to appease the mods by editing out some of the quoted post, and respond by separating it into pieces which I can answer each in their own regard. But this post seems to be useful, in its entirety, as a summation to the thread, and so I will leave it untouched, and try to touch on all of the very relevant points.


My first observation is how synchronistic this post is considering I just finished a response on this very topic in another thread here, but please finish up here before going there. I hate it when I steer someone away that never return to the origin, lol. However, what was discussed there is exactly what you are speaking to here. And what you have offered here is probably a much more worthy response than the one which I offered. Regardless, I am simply blown away by how much you and I are in same thought process, and this is one of the main reason I persist in these forums. You have offered me direction toward other sources of information that may be complimentary to my own, and offer the chance to pout as few more pieces of the grand puzzle into place.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post632872

Now on to your post and your extremely inciteful understanding and speculation.

First of all this Amzer Zo seems to offer thinking which I would resonate well with.
I am glad that you have further clarified this genetic interface of which you spoke on, and it does seem that you and Amzer Zo are speaking specifically to that which I attempted to briefly point to in the other thread, as the Inbetween. How amazingly serendipitous is that? I find this happens alot in my travels on the web as I rely very heavily on what some would call spirit guides, and what I would relate to more accurately as higher states of intuitive being. Some tend to refer to it as higher consciousness or higher self, but I steer away from such simply because I see it as being tied to the old bondage of self delusional identity. Some would refer to this following and guidance as gnosis, and I would resonate with that, but in an awareness that it is not attached to the gnostic religious doctrines.

However, it is easy to be misdirected. back to topic.

First, an acknowledgment that I now fully understand and appreciate your explanation of what you mean by genetic interface, although that term is a little misleading and probably one I would not use in this discussion, but I do know exactly what you mean, as you will see if you attempt to read that other thread post. I think you will also be amazed at the similarity of our vibrations. But patience friend, that awaits you for now. Read on. You have made an elaborate effort here which I appreciate more than you know, and I want to give it its due worth.

I would like to take a leap forward here to your final statement, "what does any of that really matter?"

I realize that you were speaking with regard to the countless speculations and theories and ritualistic processes of the human experience of coming to terms with their existence. And in essence I agree with you. BUT, I hope to offer you something here that will edify your own harvesting. How I think it matters involves what you said about integrity,

" If you live a life of integrity, then even if you can't explain how that all came to pass, how all these components fit together, what realms are really real, what is just BS, etc... what does any of that really matter?"

In your effort to point to the human experience as a whole dynamic, compared to the manifestation of the results of that effort, you have also revealed the key component to WHY it all matters; Integrity.

Many would suggest that integrity has more to do with morality which is simply further biased opinion which should have no place in an awareness of Oneness and Free Will. I do not resonate well with that thinking at all.

It is my understanding that integrity has more to do with character than with biased definitions of morality. A simple and rather insensitive example, however appropriate, would be that most of us would agree that it would not be considerate to crap right next to someone in total disregard for their comfort.

If we could apply that simply and courteous consideration of The Other in our attempt to define integrity and morality, I think it should be easier to come to a consensus on a universal character which would differentiate between the inconsiderate/selfish attitude and the more beneficial and harmonious attitude and character of common courtesy.

And THAT my friend is both WHY it matters, to us, and to any possible harmony of our species as a whole.

What you aspire to is the simple courtesy toward others, or lack of such, that will be the greater character of The All as it proceeds to be.

So what matters is, do we want The future All to be one of harmony and courtesy, or one of selfish greed? One of Oneness and Unity or one of individual satisfaction where both extremes are dancing on the same floor?

That which we experience now, is a dance floor where both extremes are dancing and clashing. A void of harmony and Oneness.

What matters is that you and I, as active participants of that energy, bring to the floor/add to The All, a character of integrity and courtesy, or an attitude of selfishness and self satisfaction in disregard for those others which dance with us. Such a character is easily observed in the depiction of two dancers performing together as one graceful flowing dance of harmonious vibration and compliment, and that one solitary dancer expressing only his individual thrusts and twists, having no partner and where there is no need for compromise and consideration of the other's motions. The dance of the one can be graceful and beautiful, but it can have no element of harmony or compliment when there is no other in participation.

This is why you matter, and why the evolved state of being which you acquire matters to to us All as a whole.

There is the human experience where one person dances alone satisfying only their own addictions and pleasures, and there is the human experience where individual expression is honored by compromise and the matrimony of two energies becoming one in a graceful and mutually beneficial manifestation of humanity, rather than the individual aspect of it alone.

Anyone can dance alone without the burden of harmoniously and gracefully matching an other's moves.

It is far more 'advanced' to achieve the ability to compensate and compromise for an other.

And in my understanding this is the difference between integrity and morality; ego and self.

There is a paradox at work here which is the result of the natural dual state of the creation in which we exist, and it can be seen in these words,

As an individual we can be only one, but as many, we have the opportunity to truly be One.

In this paradox works the effort to experience the paths between the two extremes of the dual nature of the universe, often depicted by The Ancients as female and male aspects.

And it is in this effort to find balance between those extremes that we find humans either leaning toward self satisfaction of delusional temporary identity, or toward the more harmonious experience of true self awareness being that of One Consciousness and One Sacred Fire resonating throughout All.

And when we tend toward that Oneness and bring with us an attitude of integrity and consideration of The Other, the future of that Whole All is one step closer to being an All comprised more of love and light rather than selfishness and darkness.

This is why The Ancients placed such great reverence on The Inbetween, and the 'Divine Connection' of the One to The Other.

This 'place' of experience between the two extremes, being referred to you by and the teachings of this Amzer Zo, which I intend to delve into, is the very thing which religion and the human spirit seeks after, which is seen in the many religious rituals and efforts to describe, unravel, practice and experience/comprehend, and is the very essence of state of being in its natural development/evolution. It is the various points of balancing attempts along that 'see saw' experience of awareness existing. Many sit at the far ends and scream out to the Others declaring their understanding. many more reside at various places along each end. The extremes are, of course, completely unbalanced being at the far ends. The inbetweens stages are slowly encountering implements of balance closer to center, and the closer one gets to the middle path/center, the more one experiences balance.

However the dilemma is that this process involves more than one effort of balancing The All. Because of this balancing cannot be dome by any one participant and requires the harmonious compromise and consideration of all participating. And precisely because this is the 'Divine Design' in which we participate, perfect balance is virtually unattainable, and is always a goal for which a continuous quest is manifested. This paradox/dilemma is what The Ancient Ones refer to as the energy which drives creation; it is known as The Infinite Ever Elusive Mystery. And the ingrained urge to seek after it is the very energy of creation.

It is always a matter of balance, which is why in many of the eastern Philosophies such import and reverence is placed on balance. This is the true essence and the Holy Graal of Alchemy. The paradox of dual existence, ever striving to balance itself in an infinite struggle to know itself, and yet never realizing that goal, resulting in what we would call creation. In our attempts to comprehend, and in the efforts of The Ancients(those who have gone on/evolved ahead of us), to assist us in comprehending, religion and its many perversions of bias and opinion have resulted in the many rituals and traditions the human experience inaccurately and ignorantly associates with spirituality.

The Ancients long ago set up a means of understanding the dual nature of existence and origins, by depicting it in terms the human would resonate with, such as female and male, light and dark, spirals and vortexes, which became more universally professed as serpents and circles.

That the human effort to understand the Ancient Teachings was miserably corrupted and altered over thousands of years, is no shock considering the great hold that our physical addictions to self satisfaction has over us in this temporary form/vehicle. Think about it my friend, if we can manage to twist the truth of one simple concept in one lifetime, imagine how much it can be corrupted over thousands of years of alterations.

The Ancients knew this well, and in expectation of it, devised the system of symbolic representation and runic enchantment/vibration that would resonate with fields of consciousness as they slowly arrived at various stages of higher state of being, becoming more and more able to fit together the many pieces of the puzzle which The Ancients have devised, and which are now scattered throughout the many traditions and religions of mankind.

So residing in this state of Inbetween, or as you suggest, genetic interface, involves both, balancing the egotistic/individual self identity of temporary delusion, with the divine self of Oneness and higher state of being, as well as slowly but surely finding the puzzle pieces and fitting them together as we evolve, not as a human identity but as a field of consciousness using the temporary human vehicle as the opportunity to experience and interact with this particular aspect of physical existence of form and matter.

Like you, I am becoming more and more in line with the thinking that all of the aspects of the process are more of a distraction and hindrance, than a benefit, but that is only because we are reaching that stage where further experiences beyond the human one are now upon us.

Residing in The Inbetween is not a matter of ascending or descending, identity or selflessness, it is simply a matter of 'being', naturally, and becoming 'naturally'. This is the true self. We are not identities acquiring grander identity. 'WE' are simply energy naturally proceeding to become The Mystery.

"Always remember the Sacred Fire that dances within the form of every creation!"

That is the true self which is referred to when the Ancients say "Know Thy Self."

This is often thought to refer to some identity that 'we' might find within, or even that we might realize that 'we' are God. In reality it simply refers to the fact that 'we' is the delusion from which we must escape in order to know the true self. There is no 'WE'; there is only One. And that is the One Consciousness and Intelligent Energy that both drives and creates all that becomes The All. That Energy/self resides in every field of consciousness/awareness that experiences it's interaction with environment via the intelligence and abilities it is designed with. That Sacred Fire is one Divine Power, found in all processes, conscious and unconscious, or yet to become conscious, from the micro to the macro, as above, so below, and it is that individual aspect of its countless fragmented experiences and interactions with environment and subjection that delusionally suggest individuality and extremity.

Self is the delusion of The Other.

Awareness is the burden of The One.

Mystery is the result of the Two existing together.

It is always pleasing to meet others who have some grasp on these concepts as you seem to do JustOne.

I hope that my effort to do it justice was appealing to you as well. As you noted we all have our shadows of fragmented experience. But that should never be used to contrive reality to delusion as many would like to try in their constant efforts to suggest that they are god creating this existence themselves, via their temporary delusions. That which exists is very real, and has a very real Source. That is NOT this 'we' that we like to refer to as 'I'. In my humble opinion and understanding.

Godmind is awareness that the delusiuonal 'we' experiences as an individual concept.

Reality is that which is established by The Source of it All; otherwise known as Creation or Divine Design.

Experiencing the dance between the two is that which 'we' tend to call reality or illusion, depending on the tendency or leaning of our awareness.

PS, don't forget to check out the link posted above to that other thread on this same topic.

[Chester]

Some may have noticed I am making fewer posts.

This is for several reasons.

One is that recently I experience an almost continuous state of constant hyper/quantum synchronicity – far more than ever before. It is now very difficult to be with others for very long.

I am all but certain that if I had not had the experiences I have had in my life I would be tipping over the edge of sanity.

Unfortunately, my experiences have come at the expense of many and I carry a guilt with this from which so far I am able to detach.

I am also all but certain that I am no different than the common psychopath other than that I have chosen not to consciously harm others more than most of the overtly violent and/or harmful psychopaths.

It feels like there has been a bloodline component though I am aware Amzer Zo bristles at this thought, but I am pretty certain this component has played a significant role in my current life’s story. That my spirit selected (or was influenced to enter) this particular body and that my particular genetic interface appears likely to be monitored and possibly influenced by not just one group of third party beings is a relatively easy conclusion to draw now.

I have to assume this is still going on even though I want to believe my spiritual growth (the process of awakening which assists a spirit to regain more of their own sovereignty) lessons that influence.

I now have an image that describes what it is like to be a being of my type and form. I will post this soon as the words come to me.

[Shin'Ar]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Some may have noticed I am making fewer posts.

This is for several reasons.

One is that recently I experience an almost continuous state of constant hyper/quantum synchronicity – far more than ever before. It is now very difficult to be with others for very long.

I am all but certain that if I had not had the experiences I have had in my life I would be tipping over the edge of sanity.

Unfortunately, my experiences have come at the expense of many and I carry a guilt with this from which so far I am able to detach.

I am also all but certain that I am no different than the common psychopath other than that I have chosen not to consciously harm others more than most of the overtly violent and/or harmful psychopaths.

It feels like there has been a bloodline component though I am aware Amzer Zo bristles at this thought, but I am pretty certain this component has played a significant role in my current life’s story. That my spirit selected (or was influenced to enter) this particular body and that my particular genetic interface appears likely to be monitored and possibly influenced by not just one group of third party beings is a relatively easy conclusion to draw now.

I have to assume this is still going on even though I want to believe my spiritual growth (the process of awakening which assists a spirit to regain more of their own sovereignty) lessons that influence.

I now have an image that describes what it is like to be a being of my type and form. I will post this soon as the words come to me.

Have you considered that your field is very sensitive to other fields, and that whenever you come near to another field which is compatible with your own, you suddenly become aware and sensitive to it yourself?

Even a field which has connected with you here in this community can affect you in the same way. It could be the attempt to evade them that causes you the disturbance when actually fulfilling the connection would harmonize the frequency and attune both to a more balanced connection.

I think it must be extremely difficult to maintain sanity when everything you see around you is unnecessary and fleeting. When everything the world seems to revolve around stands against everything that you have learned. When nobody you know has anything you really want to hear. And when there is nothing which you know, that anyone else would be interested in.

Been there man! Done that!

As a matter of fact you will find that hanging onto sanity is just your way of wanting it to still mean what it used to mean. Even though you now realize that sanity as defined by the human experience cannot really be defined by them with regard to what is sane and what is not.

Maybe they are all insane, and we are the few who have suddenly realized our sanity and their insanity. I mean, look at what they have done with the planet.

[Chester]

Shin'Ar... you remind me of someone named Shin Li (but she has yet to be made public... soon she will be).

We are indeed on the same essential wavelength... Let me do my best to bounce back thoughts (there may be some error here still, but these exercises help me refine my being).

Integrity – integrity of one’s thoughts... followed by impeccability with one’s words and deeds. Honesty of one’s thoughts... are then revealed in one’s words (written and spoken) and deeds as long as one has integrity – one’s actual thoughts are also truthfully represented in their words and deeds.

Common courtesy (court awareness courtesy) exhibited by one with true integrity needs no “moral” guidelines as that inhibits free will.

Key elements you touched upon –

Harmony – a huge key to it all... not living the same as others... living harmoniously with others.

You speak of the sacred dance, I will speak of the sacred act – the act of making love between two or more partners. Me being a heterosexual male has this view, but if you read this correctly, you understand gender has nothing to do with it.

When I was young, I was a selfish lover... I wanted my partner to be satisfied, but I was there for my experience. Nowadays it is always about the partner’s experience. And if the partner’s experience is fantastic, then I am very, very satisfied no matter how my own outcome unfolds (even though it usually ends up real good for me too... but - I am always last because I operate through a male body).

Here’s what I meant by what does that part matter – it is the difference between a puzzle like one must resolve in the game called “Concentration” where underlying the various pieces is a phrase and to win, one must guess the exact, full phrase. This method seems to get people bogged down and in many cases a person spends their entire lifetime trying to solve the phrase.

I found it all more to be like a labyrinth where all one must do is get out. You don't need to turn over so many cards so that you can eventually see the full phrase (or at least enough to correctly guess the phrase)... you don’t need to go down every pathway. You just need to get out.

How does one know one is out? By the consistency of their new (and it is an entirely, completely, unrecognizably different) way of life. The “fruits that the new life bares” is completely different and totally, completely and entirely satisfying in a way one never could have dreamed (at least I had never imagined it to be like this).

But I am there now... and so I don’t require the need to fill in so many blanks with this one exception – that I would hope to have the complete picture just in case sharing that with another is the key for them to open that one last essential door.

But I found that life is actually simple – mind blowingly simple in fact.

First I found I had to have a love for life. That I see life as THE Gift.
That establishes my attitude. And I found all my intentions are founded by my attitude.

I then realized this gift was given to us all, not just me. So I tried honoring the right of another to unwrap their gift in the manner they choose as long as their process does not impose anything on me (or others less aware of their abusement) without full consent. If I am deceived into giving my consent to something I later discover is actually something else, then I have been violated and to me, that is unacceptable. But I am not the wielder of justice. Something greater than me handles that well enough (thankfully).

I know with all certainty I am a child of a loving creator. That creator made me perfect, immortal and eternal as long as I desired to remain so.

I am perfect in that I make mistakes perfectly.

I can exist as a sprit being with my own identity as long as I desire and as long as I honor cosmic laws.

I extend beyond any limits.

I can be judged by others as an honoror of life by the way I honor life... all manifestations of life and I am constantly striving to honor more and more all life.

Petty simple as long as one then falls back on the surest bet of all... a bet on love.

I never saw love ever lose a single bet.

[Chester]

Posted by Shin'Ar (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
Some may have noticed I am making fewer posts.

This is for several reasons.

One is that recently I experience an almost continuous state of constant hyper/quantum synchronicity – far more than ever before. It is now very difficult to be with others for very long.

I am all but certain that if I had not had the experiences I have had in my life I would be tipping over the edge of sanity.

Unfortunately, my experiences have come at the expense of many and I carry a guilt with this from which so far I am able to detach.

I am also all but certain that I am no different than the common psychopath other than that I have chosen not to consciously harm others more than most of the overtly violent and/or harmful psychopaths.

It feels like there has been a bloodline component though I am aware Amzer Zo bristles at this thought, but I am pretty certain this component has played a significant role in my current life’s story. That my spirit selected (or was influenced to enter) this particular body and that my particular genetic interface appears likely to be monitored and possibly influenced by not just one group of third party beings is a relatively easy conclusion to draw now.

I have to assume this is still going on even though I want to believe my spiritual growth (the process of awakening which assists a spirit to regain more of their own sovereignty) lessons that influence.

I now have an image that describes what it is like to be a being of my type and form. I will post this soon as the words come to me.

Have you considered that your field is very sensitive to other fields, and that whenever you come near to another field which is compatible with your own, you suddenly become aware and sensitive to it yourself?

Even a field which has connected with you here in this community can affect you in the same way. It could be the attempt to evade them that causes you the disturbance when actually fulfilling the connection would harmonize the frequency and attune both to a more balanced connection.

I think it must be extremely difficult to maintain sanity when everything you see around you is unnecessary and fleeting. When everything the world seems to revolve around stands against everything that you have learned. When nobody you know has anything you really want to hear. And when there is nothing which you know, that anyone else would be interested in.

Been there man! Done that!

As a matter of fact you will find that hanging onto sanity is just your way of wanting it to still mean what it used to mean. Even though you now realize that sanity as defined by the human experience cannot really be defined by them with regard to what is sane and what is not.

Maybe they are all insane, and we are the few who have suddenly realized our sanity and their insanity. I mean, look at what they have done with the planet.

You and I are currently sharing almost the same exact common ground. I am glad not to be alone as that is my only fear... loneliness.

I apologize I am a bit playful though - note that I state my absolute love and appreciation for life which I see as THE Gift. In truth, I take it all quite seriously. I hope you see the point I intended to make was more that once one has "come home" so to speak... to know all the various pathways as to how anyone can get home is not so important anymore. Why? Because part of life is what we know as time and the inevitable decay of the body vehicle. Why waste one more breath on all those puzzles anymore? I am about today and tonight and tomorrow. In fact, ever since I crossed over, I have hardly been able to manage more than an average of 5 or so hours of sleep a night. Why? I am too excited... almost like a child on Christmas eve that cannot sleep as he gets to open a ton of presents the next morning. This is each day for me - a ton of presents - ah but their form is not material... it is experiential. By far a greater gift as I can always carry these memories. I lose all the physical junk - means almost nothing to me now. But the experience is everything.

And that experience is best experienced through the experience of others. Thus the greatest thing to be is an instrument of love. As love then blossoms in all around you - especially lost souls that suddenly experience a spark of hope.

This world isn't lost - at least it does not seem so to me. It is on the brink of finding itself (perhaps it already has and we are watching its infancy).

[Shin'Ar]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Shin'Ar... you remind me of someone named Shin Li (but she has yet to be made public... soon she will be).

We are indeed on the same essential wavelength... Let me do my best to bounce back thoughts (there may be some error here still, but these exercises help me refine my being).

Integrity – integrity of one’s thoughts... followed by impeccability with one’s words and deeds. Honesty of one’s thoughts... are then revealed in one’s words (written and spoken) and deeds as long as one has integrity – one’s actual thoughts are also truthfully represented in their words and deeds.

Common courtesy (court awareness courtesy) exhibited by one with true integrity needs no “moral” guidelines as that inhibits free will.

Key elements you touched upon –

Harmony – a huge key to it all... not living the same as others... living harmoniously with others.

You speak of the sacred dance, I will speak of the sacred act – the act of making love between two or more partners. Me being a heterosexual male has this view, but if you read this correctly, you understand gender has nothing to do with it.

When I was young, I was a selfish lover... I wanted my partner to be satisfied, but I was there for my experience. Nowadays it is always about the partner’s experience. And if the partner’s experience is fantastic, then I am very, very satisfied no matter how my own outcome unfolds (even though it usually ends up real good for me too... but - I am always last because I operate through a male body).

Here’s what I meant by what does that part matter – it is the difference between a puzzle like one must resolve in the game called “Concentration” where underlying the various pieces is a phrase and to win, one must guess the exact, full phrase. This method seems to get people bogged down and in many cases a person spends their entire lifetime trying to solve the phrase.

I found it all more to be like a labyrinth where all one must do is get out. You don't need to turn over so many cards so that you can eventually see the full phrase (or at least enough to correctly guess the phrase)... you don’t need to go down every pathway. You just need to get out.

How does one know one is out? By the consistency of their new (and it is an entirely, completely, unrecognizably different) way of life. The “fruits that the new life bares” is completely different and totally, completely and entirely satisfying in a way one never could have dreamed (at least I had never imagined it to be like this).

But I am there now... and so I don’t require the need to fill in so many blanks with this one exception – that I would hope to have the complete picture just in case sharing that with another is the key for them to open that one last essential door.

But I found that life is actually simple – mind blowingly simple in fact.

First I found I had to have a love for life. That I see life as THE Gift.
That establishes my attitude. And I found all my intentions are founded by my attitude.

I then realized this gift was given to us all, not just me. So I tried honoring the right of another to unwrap their gift in the manner they choose as long as their process does not impose anything on me (or others less aware of their abusement) without full consent. If I am deceived into giving my consent to something I later discover is actually something else, then I have been violated and to me, that is unacceptable. But I am not the wielder of justice. Something greater than me handles that well enough (thankfully).

I know with all certainty I am a child of a loving creator. That creator made me perfect, immortal and eternal as long as I desired to remain so.

I am perfect in that I make mistakes perfectly.

I can exist as a sprit being with my own identity as long as I desire and as long as I honor cosmic laws.

I extend beyond any limits.

I can be judged by others as an honoror of life by the way I honor life... all manifestations of life and I am constantly striving to honor more and more all life.

Petty simple as long as one then falls back on the surest bet of all... a bet on love.

I never saw love ever lose a single bet.

I look forward to meeting Shin Li and would like to ask her if she knows what her name means.

And yes, we have made connection and I am well aware of it. I am sorry to realize that you are bi polar. It must be very difficult.

I will respond in more depth soon.

[Chester]

Posted by Shin'Ar (here)

I hope that my effort to do it justice was appealing to you as well. As you noted we all have our shadows of fragmented experience. But that should never be used to contrive reality to delusion as many would like to try in their constant efforts to suggest that they are god creating this existence themselves, via their temporary delusions. That which exists is very real, and has a very real Source. That is NOT this 'we' that we like to refer to as 'I'. In my humble opinion and understanding.

Godmind is awareness that the delusiuonal 'we' experiences as an individual concept.

Reality is that which is established by The Source of it All; otherwise known as Creation or Divine Design.

Experiencing the dance between the two is that which 'we' tend to call reality or illusion, depending on the tendency or leaning of our awareness.

PS, don't forget to check out the link posted above to that other thread on this same topic.

I would have left the entire post (just like you mentioned above) - this post is so right on for me. I also suspect Finefeather would place his own thanks to this post as it is very Finefeatherish too (that is a high compliment)... anyways - Thank you for one of the best posts I ever read here.

Now - unfortunately - how can we tie in all this wisdom back to the gist of this thread? What about all the victims of SRA? When I say victims, that includes the practitioners every bit as much as their targets.

What of all that and in the current now?

Its fine and good to sit here in my own personal ecstasy I found heaven is alive and well and accessible even for clowns like me... but still, "there's trouble in River City" my friend.

How can this practice be grown out of?

[Chester]

Posted by Shin'Ar (here)

I look forward to meeting Shin Li and would like to ask her if she knows what her name means.

And yes, we have made connection and I am well aware of it. I am sorry to realize that you are bi polar. It must be very difficult.

I will respond in more depth soon.

Yes, bi-polar but why be sorry? My regrets lay in the rough times others experienced before I discovered what I must do to ensure I remain for the most part on top of the condition... absolute sobriety from all drugs and alcohol... but yes, I have been diagnosed as this since I was 21 years old (I am now 55).

I now embrace it as it allows me to view all sorts of perspectives. I just don't let it make my decisions anymore and I avoid situations where the dark side leaps forth.

[Shin'Ar]

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Posted by Shin'Ar (here)


Now - unfortunately - how can we tie in all this wisdom back to the gist of this thread? What about all the victims of SRA? When I say victims, that includes the practitioners every bit as much as their targets.

What of all that and in the current now?

Its fine and good to sit here in my own personal ecstasy I found heaven is alive and well and accessible even for clowns like me... but still, "there's trouble in River City" my friend.

How can this practice be grown out of?

My point is to suggest that simply living out the experience by facing our confrontations with open minded consideration, and absolutely no expectations.

In that mindset there does not need to be any judgment of anything. We simply deal with what gets in our way in whatever we see necessary, confident that we make our decisions and choices based upon considerate and courteous attitude toward the other.

If everyone responded this way perfect harmony would be achieved. And that chase you talking about earlier would near the checkered flag.

But that's the amazing wonder of it all, isn't it. Nothing will ever become perfect and concluded. The Mystery will not be caught. We must accept that we are designed to chase a goal which we shall never catch.

The Elite parasites are caught up in that exact same circle.

We live with them just like we live with the ants and the cockroaches.The bugs are just not as insidiously invisible.

I say that by simply walking your path in the knowledge that this world is governed by parasites, you at least disarm the fear they try to use against you. Is it not being said that it is by fear that they tenderize us?

To be honest I have always figured the mosquitoes could rule over us anytime they wanted to. In order to conquer them we would have to asphyxiate ourself. You want to see a picture of a person bowing down in fear to their ruler, observe a man being covered in mosquitoes or hornets. Be very glad we have birds and spiders. Very glad!

The Elite, as with all parasites, is another catalyst for man to endure in the search for some life lesson which accelerates evolution of consciousness. Its not a test to acquire as many pieces as possible. And there can never be a final piece to collect anyway. There is no end. It is Mystery and further Mystery.

There's no challenge or obligation. Just the walk and the experience. And picking up the pieces as we go should be no different than gathering a few berries along the way. Its all nutrition.

Yeah, there's trouble in River City JustOne. But guess what my firned, there aint no city on this planet where there aint Trubble.

Yes you are right, don't be surprised that I picked this out. yes, the field of consciousness has no gender and the very process of being of the Flower of Life is mating circles.

But lets further assimilate that into this topic of Elite rule. One of those mating circles is them, and another is you.

The atrocity is not in the mating for that is the natural process of being. The atrocity is in what one does with the information and memory that is shared in that mating.

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Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Shin'Ar (here)

I look forward to meeting Shin Li and would like to ask her if she knows what her name means.

And yes, we have made connection and I am well aware of it. I am sorry to realize that you are bi polar. It must be very difficult.

I will respond in more depth soon.

Yes, bi-polar but why be sorry? My regrets lay in the rough times others experienced before I discovered what I must do to ensure I remain for the most part on top of the condition... absolute sobriety from all drugs and alcohol... but yes, I have been diagnosed as this since I was 21 years old (I am now 55).

I know embrace it as it allows me to view all sorts of perspectives. I just don't let it make my decisions anymore and I avoid situations where the dark side leaps forth.

Just sorry in the sense that you must live such a struggle, that's all. I am also 55 and I have never been treated in my life for the ADHD that I was just this year diagnosed with.

[Chester]

Posted by Shin'Ar (here)
Just sorry in the sense that you must live such a struggle, that's all. I am also 55 and I have never been treated in my life for the ADHD that I was just this year diagnosed with.

Precisely why I stopped going to doctors. I discovered it is doctors that tell you you are sick. So I stopped going to them so I didn't have to hear that.

Anyways - I have a feeling my life was what an outsider would characterize as difficult because I happen to be a trouble maker throughout eons of time. So one must awaken each life through the burning up process you mentioned and sadly, others get singed along the way but the good news is I have arrived and stabilized and I believe everyone is safe now... at least this go round (I hope you know I am joking).

Anyways - I have an idea as to why some of our cousins have the need to perform what is known as Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice. At least I believe I understand their need. I doubt my view would be popular because I have lost my polarization about it though I also believe in my heart that the practice is unnecessary for a truly realized quantum being.

My fantasy is to be able to work with those physical beings who are caught up in this practice so that they can experience relief and redemption or experience safety if the physical being is an unfortunate target/victim.

In addition, I would like to work with the discarnate entities behind the practice. Its my view we can resolve our own physical world core issue (this is it IMO) and at the same time provide the opportunity for healing in the spiritual realms as those realms are filled with illness as well.

If we, physical human beings, stop feeding the monster(s) the favorite food which is the long wave emotional outputs then they either starve and die or they adopt to a new food supply - that food being the shorter wave emotional outputs highlighted by love.

Of course, it is all easy to write up on paper - collectively doing this and doing this with full consistency is another matter - still! it is doable. If we only had the will.

[Hervé]

Hello Chester, what I am bristling at is the confusion on the subject which begets erroneous beliefs and constructs...

So, I'll take another tack on it and see if it makes it clearer?

My premise starts with these words of a master Tzigan/Gypsy to his apprentice:

“The figure 3 and its geometrical transcription – the triangle -- means “Life.” Numerous jewelries are constructed around that number. According to Tzigans, Man as a whole is constituted of a body which rots, a spirit which persists and an immaterial body as an interface between these two.”
(Pierre Derlon; Tradition Occultes des Gitans)

The "Genetic Entity" comes from Dianetics research and, it too, was determined to act as an interface between bio-physiological body and "Spirit" and would be best described as some sort of energy/holographic blue print for the building of a biological body and the monitoring of its functions and performance (some sort of "Source Field").

What's being missed is that all three components each have a "mind" of their own and which also act as a hidden interface between all three components (see this post <==).

Dianetics research and the research and experiences from shamanic traditions such as the one described by Steve Richards demonstrate that all three components of a human being have their own memory lines.

Steve Richards' "Bear Possession" (see this post <==) demonstrates that DNA and "Genetics" have nothing to do with the price fish. The MEMORIES that are carried on from bodies to bodies by all three components do have something to do with that market price of fish. And that's due to the "minds" of all three components as to which one overrides the other two.

However, for the proponents of the "Dialectical materialism," that's all there is to existence: an electroshocked sea of ammonia which spontaneously put together a pink Cadillac in perfect functioning order -- no blueprint nor driver necessary. That is, it's all genetics and DNA and there is nothing you can do about that, dude! With that, "they" can now claim that psychopathy is just a genetic mishap and there is nothing one can do about it so you better accept it as well as the release of mass murderers back into society.

From these three components of a human being and the nefarious implanting of their respective "minds;" program, constructs, contraptions, thought forms, tulpas, golems, eggregores, angels, demons, devils, archons, astral bodies, subtle bodies, etc... are generated... Scientology call those more or less tangible, solidified thought forms; "Mock-ups."

Hence the endless debate of "Reality" vs. "illusion": both are true!

Try to convince a stage hypnotist participant who, under hypnotic trance, ate a most delicious apple on stage, that the apple was not real but non-existent for the rest of the audience... that apple was very real to the one who swallowed it, albeit a thought form he created under the suggestions of the hypnotist! Such a participant -- if particularly gifted -- can ultimately convince his body that a real apple was ingested and to process it out to visible remnants in his stools (so are "stigmata").