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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    ...and how about no pope at all?

    Looking fwd to that.

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    This is David Icke's take on the issue at hand....

    David Icke
    Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month after nearly eight years as the head of the Catholic Church, saying he is too old to continue at the age of 85.

    There will be a lot more to know that's for sure - there always is.

    Pity, I always liked his eyes - did you, children?

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...ck-resignation
    Pope in shock resignation
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    Quote Posted by MBerger47 (here)
    How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.


    Check out http://www.newmessage.org/nm/the-age-of-women/
    Well, if they stick to the old paradigm that only males can be priests then how could a woman become pope?

    For them it will be revolutionary enough to have a 'black' (=dark skinned) pope. And Francis Arinze (Nigeria) seems
    to be on the popular (pun intended) list. Not to be confused with the Superior General of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits)
    also nicknamed the black pope, currently Adolfo Nicolás.

    Maybe they consider it the right time for all the confusion. A colored American president (from Africa) and a colored Pope (also from Africa)
    while in the meantime behind the curtains the real power is in the hands of a white man from Spain.

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    Quote Posted by MBerger47 (here)
    How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.


    Check out http://www.newmessage.org/nm/the-age-of-women/
    ------------

    Wouldn't 'she' have to be a lesbian pedophile shapeshifter to be considered worthy of the 'post'?

    I can only think of one prospect, Hillary Clinton, but she's already served her time.

    BTW: I have nothing against lesbians. It's the pedophiles and shapeshifters I'm concerned with. ;-)

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    The Guest said the Popes legacy has been marred by
    Child abuse claims that he has been personally invovled
    in covering up.

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    What catches my attention here is the unexpected nature of the announcement. The Vatican Curia, after all, is the most conservative, cautious bureaucracy on the planet; they don’t *do* surprises. And Benedict is the consummate bureaucrat.

    Popes are expected to die in office, even more so than royalty. A pope would have to be quite literally comatose for years and years before there could be any public discussion of electing his replacement. A pope with Alzheimer’s would be politely propped up, perhaps no longer signing decrees. They’d pray for recovery instead, I’m sure, rather than break precedent by removal of either from office. Benedict’s predecessor suffered terrible physical health for decades but continued bravely in spite of his pain.

    No; ‘health reasons’ doesn’t wash.

    And the prospect of retirement itself is so unprecedented that if Benedict were to have contemplated this measure, he surely would have discussed it openly with his advisors, sought recommendations from scholars, put together a commission to study the issue, etc. etc. They would also have studied the question of term of office, perhaps of having a scheduled election every decade so a standing pope could then choose not to run again. They would have debated the issue in such a manner that Benedict’s eventual retirement would come a no surprise to anyone and with the blessing of all, much in the manner of The Netherland’s Queen Beatrix, who openly discussed her eventual retirement with her advisors for decades and was certain that public opinion would support the change. Benedict is setting precedent here; he would have acted prudently.

    No; ‘modern thinking about retirement’ doesn’t make the grade either. Benedict is no modernist.

    But he is a prudent man, with the huge legacy of the Church to protect. And if the hounds of the Law are nipping at his heels, prudent behavior would dictate resigning office rather than becoming the first pope in history to be charged with a criminal offense (aiding pedophiles by concealment.)

    And there is much to suggest that perhaps ‘what the butler saw’ was convincing evidence of his concealment that would eventually have led to an indictment or worse. No pope could be publically dragged from his throne and into jail. That wouldn’t do at all.

    But perhaps criminal investigators were willing to be “reasonable” about limiting further scandal and took, in effect, a plea bargain. If Ratzinger would eventually be subject to charges for his complicity, at least it won’t have to be as pope but only as (wait for it) “a humble penitent priest.” Formal charges may take years, but they are surely inevitable.

    Perhaps, instead, he will even have a quiet [arranged?] death in obscurity, a mere footnote to history….

    Interesting to speculate.

    Cheers,

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    The seagull attacking the peace dove was a sign after all.

    The seagulls obviously know more about this than they are willing to discuss at the moment.
    Experiencing pain and suffering is the gateway to joy and happiness.
    It's chronic pain that prevents the gateway opening.

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Channel 4 report .....Sounds like he's jumping before he gets bumped off
    the usual end to a Pope with to much scandel on his watch.




    Published on 11 Feb 2013


    The last time a Pope stepped down, Henry V was about to fight the Battle of Agincourt.
    So why this Pope? And why now? Benedict says he is simply too old to go on. At the age
    of 85 he no longer has the strength to fulfill the duties of office. .


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    Quote Posted by Kiforall (here)
    The seagull attacking the peace dove was a sign after all.

    The seagulls obviously know more about this than they are willing to discuss at the moment.
    Poor dove, did not get any peace at all!!

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    Quote Posted by MBerger47 (here)
    How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.
    Who would you suggest, Hillary???? She can do about anything, even fight wars (from a distance), but she is like the most "likable woman in the US" some say.....

    Yeap, she'd make a good Pope! she's already proven she can handle a good scandal too!
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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Scandal in the Catholic Church Focused in the US , but all over the world.






    Published on 3 Feb 2013


    Reputation of the German Catholic Church have resulted in more and more
    worshippers turning their backs on it. Child abuse, sexual harassment cases
    committed by priests that don't even get to court are seen as the main reason for
    dramatically shrinking congregations. You may find some of the details in Peter
    Oliver's report disturbing.
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Quote Posted by MBerger47 (here)
    How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.
    Who would you suggest, Hillary???? She can do about anything, even fight wars (from a distance), but she is like the most "likable woman in the US" some say.....

    Yeap, she'd make a good Pope! she's already proven she can handle a good scandal too!
    Come on man, her resume isn't strong enough. You have to be able to slaughter thousands of innocent people, burn them at the stake, impale them in the public square, let their flesh rot, and then feed this rotten flesh to the children, kill innocent babies and drink their blood, sexually abuse young children and put adolescent girls and boys into sexual slavery, steal all of the assets of the planet and covet them for yourselves, put everyone into debt slavery through banking, call up evil Archonic astral beings from the astral planes and do their bidding, and vampire the energy of all sentient beings on the planet, offer up this energy to the astral beings, and keep the rest of it for yourself, shapeshift into a reptilian being and back again, and have sex with your closest of kin and keep the bloodlines pure.

    Besides, in order to fulfill their playbook, um, I mean prophesy of Revelations, you need to have a black pope to usher in the tribulation and cause the total breakdown and annihilation of the species, so that the ultimate human sacrifice can go forward to the gods of Moloch and his cohorts.

    Do you think Hilary is up to the task? How about Obama? He could be the antichrist savior.
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    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Quote Posted by MBerger47 (here)
    How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.
    Who would you suggest, Hillary???? She can do about anything, even fight wars (from a distance), but she is like the most "likable woman in the US" some say.....

    Yeap, she'd make a good Pope! she's already proven she can handle a good scandal too!
    Come on man, her resume isn't strong enough. You have to be able to slaughter thousands of innocent people, burn them at the stake, impale them in the public square, let their flesh rot, and then feed this rotten flesh to the children, kill innocent babies and drink their blood, sexually abuse young children and put adolescent girls and boys into sexual slavery, steal all of the assets of the planet and covet them for yourselves, put everyone into debt slavery through banking, call up evil Archonic astral beings from the astral planes and do their bidding, and vampire the energy of all sentient beings on the planet, offer up this energy to the astral beings, and keep the rest of it for yourself, shapeshift into a reptilian being and back again, and have sex with your closest of kin and keep the bloodlines pure.

    Besides, in order to fulfill their playbook, um, I mean prophesy of Revelations, you need to have a black pope to usher in the tribulation and cause the total breakdown and annihilation of the species, so that the ultimate human sacrifice can go forward to the gods of Moloch and his cohorts.

    Do you think Hilary is up to the task? How about Obama? He could be the antichrist savior.
    You probably just described her profile in her "classified" file....
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    Pope Joan Fact or legend ??

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan



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    The UNFORGIVEN REVELATIONS that hidden by centuries in the Annals of the Vatican capital of ROME.
    The FIRST and the Last of its Kind POPE JOAN a female Pope who rises from the many adversaries and
    tribulations has enthroned herself in the Most Modern City of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE the VATICAN. The
    Religion found and reinforced by Roman Empire will never ever allow a Woman to lead an Empire from
    Julius Caesar the Title worthy to be called Emperor. But the TRUTH was erased in the journals and
    declared it non existence . Her achievements as the First Female Pope was widely eradicated by
    Male Dominated congregation of the VATICAN and to spoke of her existence was a Heresy but the
    PAST has finally resurface to REVEAL yet another alteration of Ones of HISTORY'S MOST REVERED
    CONTROVERSY. By: Sir Lord Noel M.

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    Quote VATICAN CITY (AFP) - Pope Benedict XVI announced on Monday he will resign this month because of his advancing age in a fast-changing world, becoming the first pontiff in 700 years to step down of his own free will.

    The 85-year-old said he will step down on February 28 after just eight years in office, making his one of the shortest pontificates in modern history and stunning the world's 1.1 billion Catholics.

    The German-born leader made the announcement in a speech in Latin at a meeting with cardinals in his residence in the Apostolic Palace, with his frail voice barely audible as he read a pre-written text.

    "I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry," he said.

    As tributes poured in from across the world, the Vatican emphasised the former Joseph Ratzinger was not leaving due to any illness, despite speculation over his frail appearance in recent months.

    Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said he expected a conclave of cardinals to be held in March within 15 or 20 days of the resignation and a new pope elected before Easter Sunday on March 31.

    "The pope caught us a bit by surprise," Lombardi said at a hastily-arranged press conference.

    Cardinal Angelo Sodano, who was at the historic meeting with the pope, described the announcement as "a bolt of lightning in a clear blue sky".

    Benedict's brother Georg Ratzinger told AFP he had known "for a few months" that he was planning to resign and was "feeling the burden of his age."

    Some faithful said they hoped the move would signal a major change for the Church after a conservative pontificate that has been marred by scandals including most notably clerical child abuse.

    Vatican observers have already begun speculating over who could succeed Benedict, with online betters tipping an African pope as the most likely.

    But some say the number of voting-age cardinals from Europe and North America -- 76 out of 118 -- could sway the choice to a Western state.

    In the period between the resignation and the election of a new pope, the Catholic Church will be governed by Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone.

    The closed-door conclave of cardinals is held in the Sistine Chapel and its decision is famously announced with a puff of black or white smoke to indicate whether a nominee has been selected or not.

    The new pope is then announced immediately afterwards with the cry "Habemus Papam" and appears before the crowds of faithful in St Peter's Square.

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel led tributes from political and religious leaders across the globe, hailing Benedict as "one of the most significant religious thinkers of our time".

    US President Barack Obama offered "our appreciation and prayers" on behalf of all Americans.

    Justin Welby, spiritual leader of the world's Anglicans, said he had held his office with "great dignity, insight and courage".

    The Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel said Benedict XVI had improved ties between the two religions and which helped reduce anti-Semitism around the world.

    Shocked believers flocked to St Peter's Square to express their dismay at what will be only the second formal resignation in the Catholic Church's 2,000-year history after Celestine V in 1294.

    "I love Benedict. We're really shocked he's resigning because he wasn't pope for long enough. He hasn't finished his plan," said Sebastian Mazur, a 21-year-old trainee priest from Poland.

    In the pope's birthplace of Marktl am Inn in southern Germany, 60-year-old local resident Karin Frauendorfer broke down in tears and said the resignation was "a bad thing in itself, but justified given his poor state of health".

    Gian Maria Vian, editor of the Vatican's official daily, L'Osservatore Romano, said the pope took his decision after a particularly wearying trip to Mexico and Cuba last year and only after "a repeated examination of his conscience".

    Benedict, who succeeded the late pope John Paul II in 2005 and is known as a diehard traditionalist and a lightning rod for controversy, will retire to a monastery within the Vatican walls.

    He said his "strength of mind and body... has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me."

    He said he would be stepping down at 8:00 pm (1900 GMT) on February 28, adding that he was "well aware of the seriousness of this act".

    Benedict, who has often had to use a mobile platform to move around St Peter's basilica during Church services, had hinted in a book of interviews in 2010 that he might resign if he felt he was no longer able to carry out his duties.

    The pope suffers from arthritis, had a stroke while he was still cardinal and broke a wrist when he slipped in the bath in 2009.

    He was the Catholic Church's doctrinal enforcer for many years and earned the nickname "God's Rottweiler". He is an academic theologian who has written numerous books including a trilogy on the life of Jesus Christ that he has just completed.

    The guiding principle of Benedict's papacy has been to reinvigorate the Catholic faith, particularly among young people and in parts of the world with rising levels of secularism like Europe and North America.

    He has shown a degree of openness on some moral issues -- becoming the first pope ever to speak about the possibility of using contraception to avoid the spread of the AIDS virus -- but is better known for his opposition to abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage as well as the abuse scandals that tainted the Church in the eyes of many.

    The US Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, which has been highly critical of Benedict's handling of the paedophilia scandal, called on the Church to "select a pontiff who puts child safety and victim healing first."

    The scandal over confidential memos leaked from the Vatican by Benedict's once loyal butler last year was another particularly hard blow for the pope.

    Sandro Magister, a Vatican expert at L'Espresso weekly, said the resignation could set a precedent.

    "He must have evaluated the effects of the resignation on future pontificates, which will definitely not be for life but will become fixed-term," Magister said.

    Vatican expert Marco Politi, author of a best-selling biography of Benedict, said: "This gesture was very courageous and revolutionary.
    "This is the first time that in a period of peace for the Church, a pope decides to step down of his own free will," he said.

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...historic-move/
    regarding the Prophecy of the Popes, is he the last pope?

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Maybe they all know what's coming and are all heading for the hills or underground. I wouldn't doubt that the Vatican had a gold lined Deep underground base. Give the Papal job to the new guy. He doesn't know all that's planned. Maybe all hell's going to break loose with all kind of secrets spilling out to the public.

    All kinds of weirdness lately.
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    What are the odds huh??????

    Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-carry-on.html

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    No , there is one more, after benedict, the next pope will be the last and the catholic church will end in bloodshed ... from the henoch prophecies, petrus romanus , will be the last pope ... when a pope will no longer reside in Rome, punishment by evil powers will be unleashed on Europe and the churches and monisteries will end up in ruin and ashes ... The pope no longer residing in Rome is the trigger for the henoch prophecies to begin to be fullfilled ...monstruous forces created by science will be released by the military causing great destruction, were talkin book of revelation stuff , one third of humans killed, 888 days of hell on earth ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict XVI resigns!!

    No, the next Pope would be known as the Big Butt-Fvck. Yea, that one.


    We had a Rat for a Pope, then a Bene-Dick, now Butt-Fvck is next, yes?


    I hate Popes -- they are part of the Illoonynaughties who have long terrorized our world and given us false hope -- the sooner that we rid ourselves of this BS office of the Pope, the better...

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    What are the odds huh??????

    Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-carry-on.html

    and I beheld satan as lighting fall from heaven ...
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