The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by kintun (here)
1am and cigarette smoke smells in the bathroom. Tough guy.

I won't try again until some time 12 to 15 hours from now. But yes, he is very tough and quite powerful, and he's no fool.

[TraineeHuman]

kintun, I visited the earthbound spirit again today. Whereas last time he tried hard to psychically attack me in any way possible, this time he was trying to hide from me. I did manage to find him, but he was doing his best to stay completely shut off from everything, including me.

Earlier I mentioned two examples of earthbound spirits that not even the most expert people could get rid of. Unfortunately, it seems this spirit is probably one of those. A Forum member has mentioned that Finefeather does “rescue work” in 4D. I don’t know if he can help you, but you might like to send him a PM (a Private Message) and ask him if he has any advice about this.

What happens with people who die as drug addicts or alcoholics is that their 4D body was damaged, not just their physical body. It takes time for the 4D body to naturally heal itself, but eventually it does. It sometimes takes years, and I’ve come across quite a few cases where it took thirty years or more. Only at that point is an earthbound spirit ready to leave. As I say, I have managed to help thousands who were ready to leave to find their way to a higher level, but only because they were ready.

Unfortunately, the 4D and 5D bodies go on living for centuries after physical death. At some point the person sheds them, usually together. They eventually drop off, so to speak, though it’s highly preferable if a person can let go of them in the three days after death. I call the 4D and 5D bodies “the personality” or, if you like, “the ego”. Many clairvoyants have noticed that the world is full of dead personalities. For example, there are some closed-in locations where there were very fierce battles, and clairvoyants have seen columns of dead soldiers who spend most of the day marching around and around in formation – from a battle that was fought in that place centuries ago.

Getting back to what can be done about your “lodger”. One thing you can try is to psychically “clean out” your house, and especially the bathroom. The way to do that is to in your mind create a kind of whirlwind of pure white or pure gold energy. Imagine the energy going around and around in the room, going through everything there, and in a clockwise direction. Imagine that whirlwind getting stronger and stronger and bigger and bigger, until it covers the whole room. Eventually, you send it up into the sky. The idea here is to create such positive, happy, higher D energy that your lodger won’t feel comfortable there, because the energy in low 4D where he lives is dark and heavy and rather sad.

Some other methods are as follows. Sprinkle Epsom salts and sea salt everywhere, throwing it in every direction (especially in the bathroom). Burn Epsom salts, and try frankincense too. Burn dry leaves and fill the house with smoke, then of course open the doors and windows to let the smoke out.

If you can find someone who is expert in Chinese or Tibetan feng shui, I know they have methods for creating a protective energy grid around the walls of a house or room, and also special mixtures you can spray or rub in a line around all the walls inside and on the front door, and that can be very effective in keeping all energies that you don’t want out, and encouraging them to move away.

I would also suggest that you try not to throw anger or fear at the lodger. That will just make him stronger. (There has been a huge amount of what I regard as paranoid discussion on this Forum about such things as “loosh” and the idea that negative spiritual beings and entities “feed off” the negative emotions of humans. I’m not aware of the slightest shred of evidence that that’s true at all, so until there’s actual evidence I don’t accept it as “knowledge”. I can think of a number of phenomena which might be misinterpreted as such “negative feeding”, but I stress misinterpreted.)

[kintun]

Thank you, again TH, for your help and advice. I was doing something similar to the whirlwind you suggest, but I guess this poor guy needs more work. I will put some salts and keep using the octagon, which seems to push him away.
I'll write to silentfeathers to see if he (or she) can help me.
Cheers!

[TraineeHuman]

There has been some discussion of psychic attack on the Forum, so I’d like to make some comments about my recent experiences with kintun’s lodger. When a person dies, or they live only in 4D or higher, their consciousness isn’t mostly taken up with “unconsciously” keeping the heart beating and the digestive and immune systems working and so on. A being in 4D can therefore see more things more clearly.

These days I don’t believe in any kind of direct psychic attack on anyone or anything anywhere. But as I write I have a piece of small glass lodged in the lower part of my right big toe which is proving very hard to remove, and is right on a major vein there. It’s been quite painful. Without going into details, I consider this happened as a direct result of kintun’s lodger striking back at me, because he felt I was out to destroy his home and his entire world. I had unwittingly put myself in that position.

It would have been much better if I had been able to find something much more along the lines of judo (and of “everybody obviously wins”) – even though I was trying to primarily use psychic healing, which is indeed one type of judo-like strategy.

Judo, aikido, and many martial arts are, I believe, based on principles of non-resistance – rather like Ghandi’s non-resistance, in certain ways.

This is why in probably my next post I’ll continue to describe some of the fundamentals of meditation. I’m doing this always with special emphasis on what “letting go” means, if you’ll pardon what by now maybe almost sounds like a cliché. I’m doing so because “letting go” is equally important – in my experience – for OB travel as it is for meditation. Also because meditation is useful in itself, including being useful for anyone learning OB travel.

[TraineeHuman]

Getting back to the subject of meditation, we are all already familiar with and skilled in concentration. As I have said, such a skill is necessary before one can properly learn proper meditation or OB travel.

There is a second type of inner exercise which traditionally has often been known as a form of meditation. This is the activity of just watching, observing your thoughts and impulses as they come up, while “standing back” from them. This activity, which can also be called “self-observation”, is a way of getting to know what is really going on inside of you. One well-known form of it in the West is Freud’s method of “free association” while lying down on a couch. Another is writing from the “stream of consciousness”, which is particularly associated with James Joyce but applies to much creative writing generally. Since the late nineteenth century it has also been a major influence in all areas of the fine arts, and it, or other things closely connected with it, are sometimes given names such as “expressionism” or “impressionism” or “jazz” or “improvisation”.

Ideally, in our own best interests, we should all be practicing self-observation as far as practicable all the time – or whenever we get reminded -- when we aren’t meditating in the sense that I prefer to use that term. One reason for doing so is that it gives us an OB view of our lives – the point of view of “spirit”, that I mentioned particularly in posts #102, #112, #113 and #119. It gives us two levels instead of one: looking out but also looking in at the same time.

I wonder how many have ever noticed that there are a number of layers to the thoughts incessantly and mechanically running through the mind – unless we learn to effectively stop them or ignore them through what I call meditation.

Let me describe what I have observed the most superficial layer of those thoughts to be. It’s what psychologists call a “cognitive loop”, because it keeps replaying like a tape. The length of the loop seems to be exactly two minutes 56 seconds, in everyone. Interestingly, in the world of pop music it apparently wasn’t until the Beatles released a pop song some time in the sixties that any commercial pop songs were ever longer than 2’56” – or shorter.

The thoughts in that loop are all about survival. As you come up to, say, a traffic light if you are walking, the loop will be changed slightly to include a couple of thoughts to do with checking that there isn’t a car coming from somewhere that may not manage to stop in time. But the rest of the loop will usually repeat many times. It will include much about one’s plans for the rest of the day, and ensuring one has done such things as any necessary shopping, etc. Many of the thoughts are also related to one’s social survival. What impression did one make in the last day on the people one interacted with? Everything in the loop is to do with one’s physical and social survival.

In my next post I’ll describe the other, deeper layers of thinking that go on in the mind. After that I’ll talk more about meditation because that involves liberation from slavery to thinking.

[kintun]

Sorry to hear about your toe...

I would like to share with all of you my joy, because last night I had my first OBE...
I felt very calm and relaxed and managed to travel to another country to visit a friends house. I didn't see her because when I appeared in her backyard I started planning my next move and suddenly I felt as if I was being pulled back from the floor and then woke up in my body again.
A summary of the experience would be:
-it took me a couple of hours to feel my body shaking.
-I imagined I was a balloon growing bigger and bigger and suddenly I was out.
- I didn't feel anything while getting OB
- I saw my hands, walked around the bedroom, started singing (!!) As I felt so delighted.
- looked out through the window (beautiful scene)
- closed my eyes and said that I wanted to be in my friends house
- opened my eyes and there I was.

I Did ask my guardian angel to be there with me...I saw green and pink-purple lights around me when just got out of my body. All the time I felt very calm, joyful and safe. Like a kid with a new toy.

Well, thank you all for your testimonials and tips...everything helped me to get this incredible experience. As TH says, I will keep on practicing and practicing, to get the most of it and grow.....

Love to all!!

[TraineeHuman]

The types of thoughts which interfere in meditation, particularly for the beginner at meditation, come from the cognitive loop described in my last post. This is the “survival tape” that keeps running on automatic replay in our head after every 2 minutes 56 seconds like some radio that’s been left on. Although it never stops, one of the first hurdles in learning to meditate is to learn how to ignore this tape. By learning to ignore it, we also learn to control, and be freed from slavery to, thoughts in general. We learn to by and large make thoughts our servants rather than our controllers. As we learn to go deeper in meditation, the strength of that freedom from slavery to thoughts increases.

No doubt this has a close correspondence to the fact that 15% or so of the population is unhypnotisable. It should be obvious that before one practices astral travel one should learn how to “turn the volume down” on the survival tape at least. This is because in 4D one instantly travels to wherever and whatever one thinks of.

For the record, there are some deeper layers of thinking that goes on inside us. I have observed that there is another cognitive loop that seems to run just a little deeper inside. That is the “security/identity” tape. It seems to keep reciting certain details regarding your self-image, what type of person you consider you are, what you consider your state of physical and financial health is, what others admire you for, and so on. The contents of this tape can get changed considerably from one situation to another. By contrast, the survival tape undergoes at best very minor changes from one replay to the next – though major parts will also often have become different after one day or more.

A deeper major layer involves our unconscious re-running of memories of past painful experiences. We usually don’t even realise we are subsconsciously doing this. In this case the thoughts are intertwined with strong emotions, but they are stuck thoughts, fixed ideas about ourselves and the world.

These are by no means the only layers of thoughts occurring inside us. But there seems to be an alternative “urban myth” that the survival tape is all the thought there is, and that it’s possible to turn that tape off completely, as distinct from learning to ignore it.

In my next post I’d like to run through a few basics about concentration, just in case that’s helpful to someone, because again, it also applies to OB travel.

Notice also that the types of meditation practices designed to develop and build from awareness as distinct from concentration – such as watching-the-breath – still rely on concentration at certain points. For instance, in the watching-the-breath practice one needs to briefly concentrate on each in-breath and out-breath as it starts. And if one is saying “Peace” to quieten down the thoughts, one is concentrating on the meaning of that word.

[TraineeHuman]

Concentration of various kinds is a prerequisite for awareness.

Let me try to explain with an example. Let’s say we have reason to believe there is such a thing as the HS, but we haven’t consciously experienced it as yet. We can’t be consciously aware of it until we consciously know and see that it has turned up. Until that time, all we can do is concentrate on the idea or the feeling or the concept or the gut intuition of what the HS may be like. For now, we have to put all our eggs in the concentration basket until some awareness of the right kind starts to blossom.

So, learning to concentrate skillfully and strongly is very important for our advancement in a situation like this. There are many, many relevant things that can be said about how concentration works, but for this post I just want to describe how it works together with awareness in both OB experience and meditation.

Meditation, as I experience it, is (eventually) a journey into higher and higher levels. Let’s say each dimension has some seven levels within it. Then meditation is an express journey into higher and higher levels within dimensions and into higher and higher dimensions. But it depends on concentration in the following way.

Let’s say that through meditation we have learnt how to keep our thinking (5D) and emoting (4D) fairly still and calm. Then, in order to experience whatever lies above these, we need to hold that calmness still. And the way we hold anything still is, we use concentration. We just concentrate on calmness. Only then can we get more and more glimpses of whatever lies beyond, which in this case is the 6D world.

As I mentioned in my initial posts, in meditation, after the beginning stages, we are so absorbed in climbing ever higher we don’t properly stop to look at the scenery on whatever level we’re at. In OBEs, however, we do initially attempt to go sightseeing in the tradition of all tourists. But in both cases, the mechanism for climbing to a higher level always involves using concentration. And that concentration is always of a kind that holds whatever is at the lower level still. For instance, in the SOBT material (for which thanks to Raf) the exercises for initially separating from the 3D body all involve concentrating on certain simple actions involving the 4D body while the 3D body is kept still, such as rubbing the 4D hands together. Even though we don’t know at first what rubbing 4D hands together is like, we concentrate on it and voila!

[TraineeHuman]

All spiritual traditions have used many specialized forms of concentration. Following on from my previous post, though, it should be clear why I prefer to use concentration only as a boat. That boat should be thrown away once it has taken you to the shore of awareness of some particular kind. Then you need only flow with the awareness, and can forget about that particular boat. And through different varieties of concentration you can develop more and more awarenesses, and indeed greater overall awareness.

In the Zen tradition there is a strong emphasis on the necessity of “one-pointedness.” One-pointedness really means putting yourself totally into whatever you are doing. Although it’s a type of concentration because it involves focusing your attention on nothing else but the activity at hand, it’s also a very holistic thing. This is because it involves you uniting everything inside you and also being fully united with the task you are concentrating on. To me, this is probably the most important form of concentration. Actually it’s concentration that merges into awareness even as you do it.

Following on from my previous post, though, I’d like to mention that traditionally there are beginner forms of meditation which involve concentrating on one point of one’s body or energy field. Each such point is a gateway to certain kinds of awareness. You just sit quietly and initially grounded, and just concentrate on that point. The point I would like to recommend to anyone interested in developing their OBE skills is the one known as the oversoul (point).

This is a chakra whose center is located approximately seven or eight inches above the center of the top of your head. It is sometimes called “the silver chakra” or “the diamond chakra”. This is the chakra where universality is converted into particularity, and through which you are joined with everything and everyone else in the multiverse. It is the center of our awareness of peace.

Concentrating on it liberates you from attachment to the body sense and enables all your lower levels of consciousness to meet with your higher D parts. Not only that. it allows the consciousness from your higher D parts to descend more fully into all your lower parts, in a sense for the first time opening your lower faculties and centers properly.

As I said in posts #295 and #299, and as AwakeInADream said in post #297, this descent is what it’s all about. “Descension”, not “ascension”.

In her thread “Enlightenment: practical steps”, Sepia suggests concentrating on the middle of the head, where the mid-head chakra and the pineal gland and the hypothalamus are located. If I understand her correctly, it seems to me Sepia believes that concentrating on the mid-head will open up intuitive faculties and skills. But I suspect she may be basing that on her own limited experience. As far as I understand, I’m afraid, the ancient meditation traditions acknowledge that concentration on the oversoul is what much more strongly activates the intuitive faculties and all that lies in 6D and higher, and also brings it down to where we are at. Concentration on the pineal gland area does open one’s inner vision and inner mind perhaps more dramatically, but doesn’t integrate it with the Great Spirit. As far as I understand, there is a danger of getting trapped in one’s own inner visions and personal inner mind-space. Although there are symbols – like giant pine cones -- for the pineal gland in St Peters Square, there are also symbols for the oversoul. Obelisks are just one example of this.

Another area sometimes traditionally concentrated on is the heart chakra and the thymus gland (and the physical heart). Because our educational system doesn’t develop emotional intelligence the way it develops intellectual intelligence, I’m sure this can be a great exercise in day-to-day life. Whenever you are dealing with a customer, a client, a co-worker, a relative, or whoever, try concentrating on your heart center. That will slightly increase your ability to put a more caring and affectionate slant on your interactions.

[soleil]

Hi TH, i want to add i have been watching this thread more closely lately, because although i have not been actively attempting OBE; i have been actively/24/7 working on my meditation.
i wanted to share, something that was shared in one of christian's posts, a link for a carlos casteneda site discussing shamanism, and being a spiritual warrior. he touches in on clearing of the tonal, and preparing the gap for the nagual. i believe in this same context we can apply these teachings to OBE. im sure the similarities are there. http://essential-knowledge.net

on another note, i wonder if you would be interested in introducing or discussing healing (holistically)? thank you in advance TH!

and again, on another note: i have read the posts related to kintun, and have a few questions about these neg's and neg entities. are there any ways to 'know' whether or not your abode/home has entities present, even though it may not be all that obvious? my house feels as though there isnt much going on, but at night i do get the typical indications, sharp pains on foot, headaches, very sore wrists (on occasion) etc. how can we tell if we have entities on us? (if any?) this is for those of us ready to know and willing to do something about it.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
i have read the posts related to kintun, and have a few questions about these neg's and neg entities. are there any ways to 'know' whether or not your abode/home has entities present, even though it may not be all that obvious? my house feels as though there isnt much going on, but at night i do get the typical indications, sharp pains on foot, headaches, very sore wrists (on occasion) etc. how can we tell if we have entities on us? (if any?) this is for those of us ready to know and willing to do something about it.

True logic means putting first things first. (That’s a very insightful quote from the late Barry Long.) So, the question is probably as much one of how far do you want to go and how practical is it. And do you really want to kind of wrap yourself up with very clean energy and kind of keep yourself overprotected? This is all a more complex question than it seems.

One form of protection is simply to raise your consciousness, your awareness, to a higher and higher level. That’s not foolproof, but it will make negative energies and entities and so on tend to fall off, if you’re dedicated enough to that noble goal. In the New Testament there’s the story that Jesus cast out a demon from someone and a dozen fresh demons came and said: “Look, an empty house,” and took occupancy of that person. I believe the moral of that story was that the person needed to get stronger, to be willing right then to be healed and to get healed right then. Presumably, since Jesus was there, that person wasn’t willing to face their weaknesses that allowed the demon in in the first place.

While we’re on casting out of demons, I’d like to mention that “hitchhikers” are very hard to identify quickly, and also, in my experience, very hard to get rid of. And even after they have been gotten rid of – as I have done, but not before I was fifty, in the case of my biggest and strongest “hitchhiker” – they have still left their mark. They have been integrated into your whole personality and psyche and being for so long, their influence reverberates inside you long after they have been kicked out.

Their influence in some way remains a part of “you”, much like in certain ways you remain a copy of your parents. The reason why you remain such a copy is that it doesn’t mater if you manage to peel the “onion” of your personality and your past back to its very deepest layer. The fact is, when you were two or three you copied the style of how to be a human person straight from your parents, because they were the only models you had around. And that style remains a part of you even after you have spin-dried it of all rubbish.

But also, we are here on this planet to eventually discover, maybe over many lifetimes, what all our weaknesses are and what all the traps are. Certainly, we want to avoid falling all the way into many of the traps, and to avoid all unnecessary suffering. But a little short-lived suffering that helps us learn quickly can be right suffering – just as long as we don’t use that as an excuse for playing the victim.

Sorry, but I've hardly even yet begun to answer your question more directly and practically, teradactyl, so I’ll try to do so in my next post.

[AwakeInADream]

Last Monday night I was trying unsuccessfully to go OBE and I fell asleep, but I did have an interesting side effect.

I was in and out of consciousness and I heard my own voice talking to me like an inner dialogue except I wasn't in control of it. This voice(my own voice) spoke for what seemed like hours whilst I listened intently. I thought at the time that what I was saying to myself was very important but when I woke up I couldn't remember anything I had heard.

The only part I do remember is what I got up in the middle of the night to write down, which is two numbers and a name: "421-14 David Icke".

I am reading David Icke's book "Remember Who You Are" at the moment, so I took 421 to be a page number from that book, and that page does have quite a positive message that I guess I needed to hear.

Also whilst listening to the voice, I got the sense that the information I was hearing was a kind of download.

So is this voice my higher self?

Or is it one of those mind loops playing nonsense back at me?

Or worse, is it not ME at all?

(I have heard the odd sentence in the past whilst meditating, but it has never gone on for hours before like this)

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
i have read the posts related to kintun, and have a few questions about these neg's and neg entities. are there any ways to 'know' whether or not your abode/home has entities present, even though it may not be all that obvious? my house feels as though there isnt much going on, but at night i do get the typical indications, sharp pains on foot, headaches, very sore wrists (on occasion) etc. how can we tell if we have entities on us? (if any?) this is for those of us ready to know and willing to do something about it.

Here’s one of my favorite methods of clearing out the negative energies in a room or house. I’ve already described it about four times on this Forum or in the preceding Camelot/Avalon Forums (2008-2010), but obviously there are quite a few newer members, so here goes.

This exercise is probably easier in the evening, or when you need to have the lights on. You simply close your eyes but attempt to look around while keeping the eyelids shut. Obviously an exercise for turning on some of your 4D vision, right?

You simply turn your head very slowly and “look” at all parts of the room. Wherever you see a darker area, simply keep looking at it. By looking at it you are actually using some (6D) awareness. The light – the power -- of that awareness will quite simply dissolve (the 4D part of) the darkness, and you’ll notice it turn lighter and lighter.

Usually there’ll be more darkness around ceilings, and also around any electrical appliances. There may also be darkness around, say, a particular cupboard or item of furniture. Usually that means that someone has some kind of emotional issue relating to it. (How to remove the unwelcome energies fully out of 4D, rather than dissolving their grip on your living space, is a whole other topic, and something of an “advanced” one.)

If you have a quartz watch or a digital clock radio, you’ll notice that each of these emits a big field of darkness that you can’t remove. My suggestion in that case is, don’t sleep with any part of your body within thirteen feet of a digital clock radio (or within twenty plus feet of an electric fuse/switch box), unless you have an appropriate electromagnetic shielding device. I don’t like some varieties of these, but for people in another country I don’t currently have a mailing address of a good supplier, I’m afraid.

Also, don’t wear a quartz watch. Get a mechanical watch instead. And don’t wear or carry a mobile or ipad of any sort unless you have an electromagnetic shielding device firmly attached to it.

There is some advice on psychic cleansing techniques in the links mentioned in posts #208 and #209 of the members’ only thread “Re: psychic attacks – solutions, comments and ideas”.

You can also use the closed-eye looking technique to scan your body for dark areas. Unfortunately, the places where negative entities maybe camped get tangled up with areas of physical unwellness or weakness. All my experience of psychic healing is that however much I may concentrate purely on facilitating a physical healing of a person, it always turns out that 99.9% of the problem was ultimately an emotional/psychological one, and not physical at all. So, I guess you could certainly try to psychically heal the darkest areas on your body.

Another method, which is a little expensive so don’t anyone go overboard on it, is to throw away old clothes, old furniture, old possessions of any kind. These pick up and hold cording energies that make it easier for others to cord onto you and subconsciously exert some level of control over you. Physical cleaning also helps, though most of the chemicals available at your supermarket are so harmful to the health it’s better not to use them. Better to use things like baking soda, vinegar, borax. In one of Dr Oz’s shows he listed ten things to avoid ever using if you want to grow old less quickly. The list include detergents and soap, even. (I don’t use any soap when I shower, though I do use shampoo and conditioner. There’s normally no purpose served by using soap – except to make your body more acidic, and therefore weaker.)

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Last Monday night I was trying unsuccessfully to go OBE and I fell asleep, but I did have an interesting side effect.

I was in and out of consciousness and I heard my own voice talking to me like an inner dialogue except I wasn't in control of it. This voice(my own voice) spoke for what seemed like hours whilst I listened intently. I thought at the time that what I was saying to myself was very important but when I woke up I couldn't remember anything I had heard.

The only part I do remember is what I got up in the middle of the night to write down, which is two numbers and a name: "421-14 David Icke".

I am reading David Icke's book "Remember Who You Are" at the moment, so I took 421 to be a page number from that book, and that page does have quite a positive message that I guess I needed to hear.

Also whilst listening to the voice, I got the sense that the information I was hearing was a kind of download.

So is this voice my higher self?

Or is it one of those mind loops playing nonsense back at me?

Or worse, is it not ME at all?

(I have heard the odd sentence in the past whilst meditating, but it has never gone on for hours before like this)

Meaning exists in all dimensions, but words, pictures and symbols don’t exist beyond 5D (but, e.g., lights do, as do various more abstract kinds of things). That would explain why you were receiving something with profound meaning but couldn’t put it into words that you could make out. A common experience, particularly for “beginners”. But with an unusual twist in that obviously nothing was going to stop you from trying to put into words.

As we’ve both mentioned already, AwakeInADream, ultimately the adventure of being in the physical world is all about “descension” and not “ascension”. Bringing Heaven down to Earth, ultimately (but by gradually “Heavenising” the Earth). I would see the skill of learning to eventually put as much of the meaning as possible into comprehensible words (or pictures) as one of the most important skills for bringing that “descent” about. Keeping a diary by your bed would probably help.

Obviously you have some clairaudient ability. About 50% of people do. Personally, I have never experienced any message from a being or entity I was unable to clairvoyantly see, except from my guardian angels. Or else it has been from someone I knew and could identify in every case, and was usually a message one sentence or less in length. So, based on my experience, I’d say the communication was coming from one of your guardian angels, or certainly with their approval. If your head was full of things David Icke was saying because you were reading his book, it’s quite to be expected that part of the message would be communicated in those terms, to make it easier for you to hear since your attention was already “tuned to” the sorts of ideas Icke was expressing.

As far as I’m aware, it’s normally impossible to put a voice inside my head unless I’m open to it. This is mainly a matter of getting to the point where you can’t be hypnotized – which apparently a good 10% of the general population have reached anyway. I did once experience a voice in my head but it was coming from my mother’s favorite sister a month after my mother had died. At the time I was visiting the home of that sister’s daughter. I kept hearing a voice about ten times in an hour that sounded like the daughter was quite loudly calling my name from the next room, rather than her long-departed mother, whom it was in fact coming from. But at the time I was very open to receiving the energies in the daughter’s house, as it was the first time I had met her.

The fact that the communication to you went on for so long, AwakeInADream, tells me it wasn’t from your HS. In my experience, the HS communicates more briefly. If my own experiences are anything to go by, what you experienced was indeed a “download”, and came from your guardian angels. And they don’t bother communicating for as long as two hours unless it’s something where they want to make sure you definitely manage to get the message. I would take the message, at least tentatively, as important pure truth that you need to utilize in your life right now. It probably wasn’t easy for them to get you to hear their communication. That also indicates it was urgent and important.

Everything you've described suggests the "voice" was coming from 6D. Your mind loops don't come from there.

Maybe it has something to do with what fundamentalist Christians call "speaking in tongues", but they recognise that anyone who does so is coming froma good space.

It’s quite interesting the way our HS communicates a message to us all each night in almost every dream, during which it takes us up to the 5D/6D border. Nearly all of us nearly always completely fail to correctly interpret those messages on a conscious level, even if we manage to remember the details of our dreams. And yet, the HS doesn’t ever give up. It keeps socking it to us by presenting the issues we most don’t want to face right now. The reason the HS doesn’t give up must be that to some degree the messages do filter through to some subconscious part of us.

[AwakeInADream]

Thanks TH! I really hope it was a guardian angel, I don't really like the idea of my higher self having a totally separate mind/personality.

I think I know what the numbers may mean now, and it may be to do with brainwaves. I have been looking into sound waves and their effects on consciousness for a while now.
Theta brainwaves are about 7Hz but the ear can't hear that low so the only way to play 7Hz into the brain would be to use bi-neural beats, but I've thought of another way to do it.

If I take the number 421 that I received to be 421 beats per minuet or 421 BPM and create a simple drum beat with it, then rather than being a very fast drum beat, if you take a different perspective you can also see it as acting like a very slow wave. In fact 420 BPM would give 7 beats per second or 7Hz. The beat becomes a wave, and a bi-neural beat is still just a beat at the end of the day. I've been playing around with beats of various speeds today, and it does seem to have some effect on perception.

I've also noticed that listening to certain droning sound waves that interact with each other causes illusions in perception, as certain patterns stand out that aren't really there, but also that you can change these illusions just by thinking about them, and in this way perhaps train your brain rather like bio-feedback, and learn how to still your mind on a much deeper level.
(This is like the 'Tick Tock' phenomenon where the beats are exactly the same, but your mind tells you one is louder or of a different quality than the other, but you can learn to control the illusion)

This approach also relates to a vision I had a few months back upon waking (to a mild panic attack, the vision was the result of my calling for help) where I saw a triangle with a circle on each corner containing a frequency. I knew that the result of this magical chord would be to eradicate fear forever in the listener.

421-14 could also be seen as 4Hz 21Hz and 14Hz (good harmonic interactions here) which are close to brainwave frequencies, and perhaps this may be the key to releasing us from what David Icke calls the 'Saturn-Moon Matrix' (wishful thinking).

This brings up the question:

Do you think that things like bi-neural beats and maybe shamanic drumming may help towards having an OBE?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I don't really like the idea of my higher self having a totally separate mind/personality.

Your HS doesn’t have a personality – other than your own personality, plus quite likely some other personalities of human beings from probably other timelines.

I think I know what the numbers may mean now ...
If I take the number 421 that I received to be 421 beats per minute ... you can also see it as acting like a very slow wave ... and it does seem to have some effect on perception.

I’m afraid that sounds very cerebral to me. There's probably at least some grain of truth there. But your dreams etc are normally coming from an almost 6D level -- beyond words and concepts. After a few seconds of you trying to understand the message, the message will get drowned out with misinfo coming from your mechanical mind as distinct from your intuition.

AIAD, maybe you’d like to try to “get” the message again by using the exercise in post #24 -- and strictly no mind chatter during and even after the 30 second pause! And please keep it simple. Usually, complexity gets added in by the mechanically thinking mind, which wipes out the insight that was there, because the mechanical mind doesn't have much insight to speak of.
I'm sure part of the message is that you have no cause to worry as much as you currently are doing.

Do you think that things like bi-neural beats and maybe shamanic drumming may help towards having an OBE?

Absolutely. they get a person temporarily out of a state of slavery to (mechanical) thinking. To have an OBE you need to let go to the unknown. The mechanical mind keeps trying to hook you back into the known.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
i wanted to share, something that was shared in one of christian's posts, a link for a carlos casteneda site discussing shamanism, and being a spiritual warrior. he touches in on clearing of the tonal, and preparing the gap for the nagual. i believe in this same context we can apply these teachings to OBE. im sure the similarities are there. http://essential-knowledge.net

Historically, shamanism was largely superceded by meditation traditions in some areas in Asia over the last ten thousand years or more. Though I guess in the case of China that didn’t begin to happen until the arrival of Buddhism there around the third century AD. Maybe shamanism could be a more useful and fruitful path for some individuals today, though I have many unanswered questions and some doubts.

I understand shamanism is a path to joy and peace and experience of realms higher than the physical. That’s fine. But as far as I know it usually involves the use of drugs. This Forum has Guidelines which largely preclude the discussion of, and certainly preclude the promotion of, drug experiences. As I understand it, drug use is a form of self-abuse, not in the sense of masturbation but because it is always a poisoning of the body. (Being drunk actually is the same thing as alcoholic poisoning, and so on.) I’m afraid I don’t consider such things to be necessary or desirable today, much as I don’t see self-flagellation as a good idea. We aren’t peasants living and working seven days a week in some semi-desert where nothing much happens. Indeed, at Avalon the word “awake “ is usually used primarily to refer to being awake politically to what is currently going on on the planet. I don’t consider that any Avalonian needs to in effect attack themselves through taking drugs of any kind. I also understand that traditional shamans such as the Toltecs and Castaneda’s teacher admit that the purpose of the drug use is and traditionally has been to initially quite deliberately create destructive effects in the student.

In my OB journeys I have seen several “worlds” or “levels” or whatever which were totally made of hallucinations. These worlds were all quite insane, but I did find it fun to explore them a few times, much like watching an interesting movie in a virtual reality suit. Even though they put my mind in a twist. As far as I can gather, these worlds are quite similar to the “better” experiences a person can have from hallucinatory drugs. The difference was that I was in control all the time.

But I’m skeptical about the value of seeing and kind of living by such “movies”. For a start, you would need to be cured of a hopefully mild but real form of insanity. I guess the traditional shamans were master psychologists and could therefore eventually make their apprentices whole. But if someone attempts similar practices from reading the internet but doesn’t have a master psychologist watching over them all day – well, I’m worried about all sorts of possible dangers. Even a simple practice such as fasting, for instance, can lead to insanity quite quickly if carried out with a lack of detailed knowledge of how to manage it.

If there’s anyone out there who’s willing to give us an explanation of how forms of shamanism not based on or initiated through drug usage or self-torture are valid and safe paths to the higher dimensions, that would be very fascinating to read. (My apologies. I'm very busy with some obligations this weekend, so I haven't managed to find the post by Christian you're referring to, teradactyl.) I know some do follow that path, and there have been references to books and websites and so on in the Forum and also in the archives of the old Camelot/Avalon.

I’m also quite aware that in many of the higher-dimensional worlds that I’ve frequented in the past before I incarnated on this planet, the consciousness-raising practices were far more similar to white magic or a drug-free version of shamanism than they were to meditation practices. Then again, in any 6D world one is mostly living beyond time as we know it in 3D (though not beyond change, for instance). So, everything is so different there anyway. I also have the strongest feelings and some memories that the life we live in the 3D world as we know it is a kind of cheap mockery of what life in 3D was meant to be like, and is like on many other 3D planets, and was in the past on this planet and will be in the future for the human race.

To see all the shamanic exercises promoted on the website you've quoted, teradactyl, I’d need to purchase some of the material. As I haven’t seen all of it, I’m in no position to judge it. Over the years I’ve learnt all sorts of skills from all sorts of sources. The skills others were selling or teaching were almost never half as wonderful or universally effective as promised. But they were still something.

Carlos Castaneda made a fortune and most of the ten or so books he wrote not only went paperback but topped best seller lists in the seventies and probably the early eighties. That was the time when many people in the alternative movement were regularly using marijuana or cocaine, thanks to the concerted efforts of some alphabet agencies and the elite.

His writings seem to me to be a strange mixture. Quite frequently he briefly brings up pieces of advanced or very advanced knowledge relating to spiritual or psychic experience or reality, knowledge that I imagine very few would really understand the full significance of. I’m sure much of this did come from possibly a small number of interviews with the shaman he called Don Juan Matus.

There were also some mistakes or misinterpretations. For instance, he repeatedly made a big deal about how Matus had allegedly claimed “your death” is supposedly a dark spot at the left edge of the middle of your auric field, waiting for you. I’m pretty sure Matus never claimed any such thing, because I happen to know it’s not true. Certainly, to go astral traveling you can exit through the solar plexus, for instance. And certainly, it’s true that life and death are as inseparable as breathing in and breathing out. Maybe Castaneda confused possibly these truths plus several others I can think of to come up with that huge dark spot, that sounds so dramatic. It doesn’t help that Castaneda inserted lies or deluded exaggerations into his writings. For instance, at the end of his second book he needs a big climax, so he ends it by jumping into a physical abyss, apparently into certain death. Or, for instance, in two books he describes sorcery fellow students as running along walls and eventually on a ceiling. I consider it’s also unfortunate that his writing style seems so emotionally immature and so intent on creating exaggerated drama and excitement and making everything seem exotic. Nevertheless, Castaneda did do his best to follow the “path” he had been taught up until his death.

I had written up till this point and saved my draft without posting it and gone to bed. As I was almost falling asleep, who should come to visit but Carlos Castaneda (who died in 1998). He looked reasonably content, and seemed to feel that overall he had done something truly worthwhile with his life. I felt very glad for him. He was very laid back, yet at the same time very open, and looked very unshockable. There was something extremely attractive about how patient he now is, and also about the gentleness he now has. He asked me the following question slowly and very clearly and proudly: “What are you made of?” He repeated it a second time. Both times his intent wordlessly conveyed the message that the answer to that question obviously justified everything he had done – completely justified it without reservation, in his mind. He knew I knew the answer to that question in his system is “the nagual,” which is basically the HS, and certainly at least it is that which is OB. What he obviously meant by this was that as far as he was concerned, everything he did through his books served to continually point to the transcendental, to the HS.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
Hi TH, i want to add i have been watching this thread more closely lately, because although i have not been actively attempting OBE; i have been actively/24/7 working on my meditation.
i wanted to share, something that was shared in one of christian's posts, a link for a carlos casteneda site discussing shamanism, and being a spiritual warrior. he touches in on clearing of the tonal, and preparing the gap for the nagual. i believe in this same context we can apply these teachings to OBE. im sure the similarities are there. http://essential-knowledge.net

Thanks Teradactyl! I really like this website! There is some truth for me there, and already I have seen myself in error.
I like the attitude presented about being a spiritual warrior and that we should more aggressively seek to align ourselves with the HS.

This quote from page two describes me perfectly at the moment and it is almost the same message as page 421 of Icke's book:

How often are you vehemently asserting some non-sense? You don't have time for this display. This, whatever you're doing now, may be your last act on earth. It may very well be your last battle. There is no power which could guarantee that you are going to live one more minute. If this were your last battle on earth, I would say that you are an idiot. You are wasting your last act on earth in some stupid mood.

Yep! I'm totally wasting my time at the moment with mental concepts/processes, as TH also said.

Thank's TraineeHuman! I'm going to take your advice and 'go after' the original message again with the exercise in post #24.

I guess I need to be able to hold on to the abstract for much longer, before I will ever be able to bridge Heaven and Earth with it.

I think I'll spend the day quietly, no thinking, no ideation, no distractions, just listening out for my HS. Time is short. Must press on.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
i wonder if you would be interested in introducing or discussing healing (holistically)?

What I meant by “healing wholistically” was to perform healing without any technique. I consider it’s a harmful mistake to suppose there’s a special technique that makes a person a better psychic healer.

Almost everybody, without any training, can heal other people with significant results.

Beforehand you ground yourself strongly and you clear away any negative energies in the space, and in you. You ask for and receive protection for yourself and the client and the space. You get the client to sit in a chair (not too comfortable a chair) two or three meters from you and ask them to close their eyes and imagine they are somewhere peaceful and nice, such as under a shady tree in mid-summer.

I suggest raising your hands to about chest height and pointing the palms towards the client. This is because there are huge chakras in the palms, and these emit the strongest part of the healing energy. But don’t think: “I am sending healing energy through my palms”. Just do it.

I find I can normally access the golden healing light, but you just imagine that healing light and energy is flowing through your hands to wherever the client needs it most. Some kind of healing light and energy will come. Initially, for a few seconds you consciously hold the intention that the client will receive the best healing available to them right now. But then you just let the energy flow, and do your best to keep your thinking mind blank.

Because I have years of experience in energy work – and can telepathically “read” in a general way what a person is thinking and feeling at any time – I do find one thing occurring without any effort on my part. This is that I “see” dark areas, and I let my hands move so that they’re pointing more directly at the dark area(s), and I’ll sometimes walk closer to the client or to one side. In at least ten percent of cases, I “see” an entire half of the client’s energy field – the right half or the left half – as black. I’m sure that isn’t what’s really there, but it’s just a pointer to me to concentrate mainly on healing just that one side of the client’s energy field or body. I never consciously tried to develop this skill of seeing dark areas and directing my hands towards them. It all just happened, and continues to. I do always find myself kind of automatically “filling up” the dark areas with light, and then moving on to the next dark area.

At the end of the healing session (I never go longer than twenty minutes max), once the client leaves you clear up the space and yourself, much like you did before starting the healing.

The only traps I can think of are, firstly, don’t ever somehow absorb the client’s negative energies as if you were a sponge. You stay full of healing light and you keep radiating it out to your client. Secondly, don’t disrespect the boundaries between healer and client, if at all possible. E.g., don’t get involved with your client. Thirdly, if you think or emote anything while doing a healing, you’ll tend to energetically lay a little of that on your client, so do nothing and let your HS flow through and do most of the work.

[Malerogro]

Hi everyone! Thanks so much to all the posters on the thread for sharing their experiences and knowledge. I am relatively new in becoming aware of the dimensions. Dan33 recognized me in another thread as operating out of 5D so that inspired me to delve more deeply into the subject. I do feel particularly at home in the 5th dimension but I have the feeling I skip the fourth in my awareness, or maybe I move through it very quickly without noticing. Any reasons I might be afraid of staying in the fourth or become aware of what is happening there? Do you think it is necessary for me to do so?
I feel like I am wavering sometimes between the third and the fith dimension and to be honoust, that is starting to wear me down. Maybe I can find some more steadfastness (a term Fred Steeves mentioned which stayed with me) when I become more aware of what is happening in the fourth?
This thread provides a lot of exercizes to explore the fourth dimension yet I still feel a reservation to try. Any tips or explanations? Thanks!
Btw, I have not practiced meditation so much yet and have not eperienced full OBE's although I can feel myself moving towards one sometimes. Also when I have been experiencing and operating out of the fifth I need sometime to get my coördination right again in the third dimension. When I get up I stumble or I drop something.
Do you think that meditation and OBE's are necessary roads to take to become aware of the fourth dimensions or are there ways to recognize the fourth dimension more in daily life without resorting to OBE's or meditation?