Leo Zagami saying Zecharia Sitchin was Illuminati?

[araucaria]

Assuming Sitchin or anyone else for that matter to be Illuminati only raises the next question: which group of the Illuminati?

As Simon Parkes explains, they have their 'dark wizards', they have their enlightened light workers, and they have people hovering in between.

A black and white view is always by definition oversimplistic. Notions like the NWO mean different things to different people. When the whole world lives in harmony we shall just have to find a new expression for that.

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Assuming Sitchin or anyone else for that matter to be Illuminati only raises the next question: which group of the Illuminati?

As Simon Parkes explains, they have their 'dark wizards', they have their enlightened light workers, and they have people hovering in between.

A black and white view is always by definition oversimplistic. Notions like the NWO mean different things to different people. When the whole world lives in harmony we shall just have to find a new expression for that.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you again for sharing your insight on this matter. I couldn't have possibly said it better!

There are indeed many different groups calling themselves "Illuminati"... which is based on Illuminism. As you stated, knowledge of the metaphysical sciences can be used for benevolent or nefarious purposes, or anything in between. And as with gnosis in general, there is no set dogma, it is dialectically dynamic and always changing with the times.

If Leo Zagami was legitimately who he says he is, he would know this. But he seems to deliberately leave the genuine good guys out of the equation.

We are evolving into God, and the black magicians provide the necessary resistance. Cui bono from concealing that information?

[turiya]

The Effects of the Annunaki Fantasy

"We do however know a little more about the movement of the Sumerians as they left Sumeria from historical records. Those of Northern Sumeria moved to Egypt and, ultimately became the Jewish peoples. Zecharia Sitchin insists that the Annunaki story is the basis of the Old Testament.

The peoples of Southern Sumeria traveled north, through Assyria and on to Northern India and Tibet where the Annunaki story became the basis for some of the Hindu Vedas. Those members of the Annunaki, who traveled back in time from the 19th Century, traveled with this Sumerian group and took up residence in deep cave complexes in Tibet and the Himalaya mountains where they remained until very recently. This could be the region Blavatsky named as the "Shambhala", but the Akashic does not agree with this naming although the Velon location is very close to the region and could explain many of the problems associated with it.

The story put together by the Annunaki shows the depth of the research they carried out into human nature and human aspirations. By creating themselves as "the gods" who made man, they hoped that when they made themselves known, in the current time, humanity would accept them as their makers and do whatever it was the Annunaki asked of them. It is this story that forms the basis of the Illuminati alternative "truth".

Regardless of the Akashic, there are several cultures on Earth who have astrological records going back at least 5,000 years (the Chinese for example). Given the last orbit of Nibiru was in 609, it means that the previous close orbit must have been in roughly 3,000 BC. Are there any records for this orbit? - NO! Are there any records or stories from ancient tribal peoples - Native American, African, Aboriginal, Celtic, etc., etc., - who have any traditions of a "traveling" planet? - NO! What this shows is that the Annunaki story is manufactured and not a reality; a story manufactured to deliberately mislead humans into believing that the Annunaki, and, by extension, the other Velon races, are our creators.

This is why the Akashic is such an important source of information. The Sumerian clay tablets that have been sitting under the sand for 5,000 years, and translated by Zecharia Sitchin, cannot be disputed, they exist, and yet the story they tell was manufactured to deliberately mislead humanity."
Project HUMAN EXTINCTION - The Ultimate Conspiracy by Chris Thomas with Dave Morgan (pages 147-149)

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As it appears to me, its really not that difficult...
If one has the eyes to see.
If one has the ears to hear.
It is quite obvious.

Look at the youtube interviews/lecture material that is presently available of Zagami & compare them to what is available with Sitchin. It should be very obvious as to where these people are coming from... and how authentic these two people are...

To me, it is quite clear...
For example, anybody that can tell a joke related to Yogi Berra, and have the audience laugh about, seems to be one that enjoys what he is doing. The story that he is telling is coming, more than likely, from his heart center, and not so much from the head (unlike what is shown in the way Zagami tells his information).

The head is more clever & telling in its ways of deception.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=THWrzaF3bMI

turiya

[hangel]

well, some time ago i researched Sitchin's work and came up with some videos with Zecharia and.... Jordan. I cannot find this video right now but the essence of what i want to say is here:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hZUDqUz7azM

Yes.. Please DO NOT jump to conclusions too quickly. Just think of a game where if you want to get something you have to give something in return. Jordan was asked about that time when the video was shoot and admitted that they had some common work going involving a telly show or a movie of some kind. He also commented on the 'performance' shown on the video.

After all please think of this as if someone agreed to be become something (which may appear to be protective at the time) there may not be a way out of it other than death.

According to of Stchin was a disinfo or not.. he translated the ancient artefacts. Here i am not saying how old is a game of disinfo, but im sure it is pretty old.

[Houman]

he isnot the only one...

from http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...n_in_black.htm
and http://www.scribd.com/doc/3288689/Th...e-Men-in-Black

A Secret Ritual of the Illuminati, or “Frank’s Death-bed” by Jonathan Sellers,

those present include Zecharia Sitchin, Meade Layne, Mr. Sellers, Dr. Greenfield, Aleister Crowley,

Mark Probert, Father_ACME, and, lying on the death-bed: Jacob Frank.

[turiya]

Houman wrote:

he isnot the only one...

from http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...n_in_black.htm
and http://www.scribd.com/doc/3288689/Th...e-Men-in-Black

A Secret Ritual of the Illuminati, or “Frank’s Death-bed” by Jonathan Sellers,

those present include Zecharia Sitchin, Meade Layne, Mr. Sellers, Dr. Greenfield, Aleister Crowley,

Mark Probert, Father_ACME, and, lying on the death-bed: Jacob Frank.

As it is said: a picture is worth a thousand words... appreciate the links.

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Edit

This also looks a bit suspicious...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1wWxqXashBo

turiya

[Kano]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by n.cangiano (here)
i was just wondering peoples opinions on him saying that, or has there been proof that sitchin was? Or was leo just trying to spread disinformation?

cangiano wrote:
Leo Zagami saying Zecharia Sitchin was Illiuminati?

In making such a statement about Zecharia Sitchin, it appears to me that Leo Zagami may, or may not, have been absolute in what he knew (or was told) about Zecharia and/or about what was being translated, and where that information actually came from.

As far as I can tell from what has been said about Sitchin, it is said that he had been unknowingly spreading the planted disinformation that was contained within the cuneiform clay tablets in which he gave an honest endeavor to correctly translate.

Zagami, then, is only partially correct, in that Sitchin, not knowing that which was contained on the tablets was, in fact, misinformation that was planted there by the Annunaki for him to find. In this regard, Zecharia Sitchin was unknowingly acting as an agent of the Illuminati, of which the Velon (of which Annunaki is a sub-race) was playing an active role in. As the Velon were a part of the Illuminati upon its inception.

turiya

Please say more about the Velon. First I have heard that term. What is it that makes the Annunaki a sub-race of the Velon?

[turiya]

Posted by Houman (here)
he isnot the only one...

from http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...n_in_black.htm
and http://www.scribd.com/doc/3288689/Th...e-Men-in-Black

A Secret Ritual of the Illuminati, or “Frank’s Death-bed” by Jonathan Sellers,

those present include Zecharia Sitchin, Meade Layne, Mr. Sellers, Dr. Greenfield, Aleister Crowley,

Mark Probert, Father_ACME, and, lying on the death-bed: Jacob Frank.

Can't help to ask...
From what source is it derived that identifies Zecharia Sitchin to be one of the people in this drawing?
Wikipedia identifies this drawing to be dated 1791.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank
Zecharia Sitchin was born July 11, 1920 – died October 9, 2010. So, wtf is up with that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

turiya

[turiya]

Posted by Kano (here)

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by n.cangiano (here)
i was just wondering peoples opinions on him saying that, or has there been proof that sitchin was? Or was leo just trying to spread disinformation?

cangiano wrote:
Leo Zagami saying Zecharia Sitchin was Illiuminati?

In making such a statement about Zecharia Sitchin, it appears to me that Leo Zagami may, or may not, have been absolute in what he knew (or was told) about Zecharia and/or about what was being translated, and where that information actually came from.

As far as I can tell from what has been said about Sitchin, it is said that he had been unknowingly spreading the planted disinformation that was contained within the cuneiform clay tablets in which he gave an honest endeavor to correctly translate.

Zagami, then, is only partially correct, in that Sitchin, not knowing that which was contained on the tablets was, in fact, misinformation that was planted there by the Annunaki for him to find. In this regard, Zecharia Sitchin was unknowingly acting as an agent of the Illuminati, of which the Velon (of which Annunaki is a sub-race) was playing an active role in. As the Velon were a part of the Illuminati upon its inception.

turiya

Please say more about the Velon. First I have heard that term. What is it that makes the Annunaki a sub-race of the Velon?

Chris Thomas is the man interviewed in the following AMMACH Bases 8 videos.
He says he's been a psychic healer for a number of years.
Also, he claims he was born "hard-wired" connected to the Akashic (a direct instantaneous connection - without having to achieve an altered state or meditative state of consciousness.)
He has researched the Akashic for information pertaining to the origination of the human species.
Check out the following videos. He also has authored several books that he has self published.
There are also several radio interviews he has given.

Please Note: You will have to be particularly attentive in following what is said about the fictional Annunaki story that was fed to a Sumerian clay tablet maker.
After telling it, he gives his opinion of it as being pure "Bullocks".

Bases 8 Part 1:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf7scVDQ1g

Bases 8 Part 2:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=m-RSwTihJQ0

turiya

[lookbeyond]

Thanks turiya, very much looking forward to viewing these,

lookbeyond

[Houman]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by Houman (here)
he isnot the only one...

from http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...n_in_black.htm
and http://www.scribd.com/doc/3288689/Th...e-Men-in-Black

A Secret Ritual of the Illuminati, or “Frank’s Death-bed” by Jonathan Sellers,

those present include Zecharia Sitchin, Meade Layne, Mr. Sellers, Dr. Greenfield, Aleister Crowley,

Mark Probert, Father_ACME, and, lying on the death-bed: Jacob Frank.

Can't help to ask...
From what source is it derived that identifies Zecharia Sitchin to be one of the people in this drawing?
Wikipedia identifies this drawing to be dated 1791.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank
Zecharia Sitchin was born July 11, 1920 – died October 9, 2010. So, wtf is up with that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

turiya

The source is Jonathan Sellers. See
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...n_in_black.htm
from "INTRODUCTORY REMARKS by Jonathan Sellers"
the drawing has several anachronisms...

[Sirius White]

Sacharia was high level.

But he is not a disinfo artist as Zagami claims. If anyone is a disinfo artist it is him. Why do you think he was allowed to do all the interviews he did?

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by turiya (here)
Chris Thomas is the man interviewed in the following AMMACH Bases 8 videos.
He says he's been a psychic healer for a number of years.
Also, he claims he was born "hard-wired" connected to the Akashic (a direct instantaneous connection - without having to achieve an altered state or meditative state of consciousness.)
He has researched the Akashic for information pertaining to the origination of the human species.
Check out the following videos. He also has authored several books that he has self published.
There are also several radio interviews he has given.

Please Note: You will have to be particularly attentive in following what is said about the fictional Annunaki story that was fed to a Sumerian clay tablet maker.
After telling it, he gives his opinion of it as being pure "Bullocks".

Bases 8 Part 1:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf7scVDQ1g

Bases 8 Part 2:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=m-RSwTihJQ0

turiya

Okay, I listened to this entire interview, and 95 percent of what he says resonates with me as truth. Like most psychic healers, he reads the Akash.... he is very confident about what he sees. It mostly makes a lot of sense.... but somewhere in there he says that the Akash can be tampered with... that was Alarm Bell #1. And then towards the end of part 2, he drops the bomb that PLANET EARTH is the only place in the entire universe that can support human life!!!!

Does anyone here believe that's possible?

I might as well go back to reading the Bible literally!!

Somebody please listen to this guy and help me out here.

[turiya]

Prodigal Son wrote:

And then towards the end of part 2, he drops the bomb that PLANET EARTH is the only place in the entire universe that can support human life!!!!
Does anyone here believe that's possible?
I might as well go back to reading the Bible literally!!
Somebody please listen to this guy and help me out here.

Prodigal Son,

I am not one to blindly believe anything that anybody says.
But I do reserve a place for allowing ideas to come & to be
considered.

To get a clearer picture of what Chris is about,
there are several other interviews & writings of
Chris Thomas that can be found on the web.
Lisa Harrison has also done an interview late last year.
Do a youtube search & these other radio interviews
should pop up.

There are also several pdf files of his articles that
can be found. Do a Google search for these.

If I remember correctly, Chris Thomas says the
planet Earth is the only planet that has more variety
of life on it than can be found in the entire
universe combined. Looking around me & seeing
the incredible amounts of life that occupies a given
area of land, I find that I could swallow that idea
without it creating a problem.

This is a special planet for experiencing physical
reality on many different levels. This is why we have
chosen to be here.

There are other forms of life that are not so dense
that reside elsewhere...
on other planets... in other universes.
But, yes, this is the central place, this planet Earth,
where the human experiment has
been selected for this to take place. This does not
create a problem within me in considering this idea.

We forgetful humans seem to be have taken this planet
for granted. It would be a tragedy, to say the least,
if this beloved Earth got destroyed by the fools that
seem to be in control... Either by nuclear war, toxic waste,
chemtrails, etc. GMO, Chris Thomas has said is the biggest
threat there presently is to whether the Earth will
continue to exist.

Put it in your wait & see folder, because if The Human Plan
is, indeed, to come to its fruition in the near future,
then this information will be available to you without asking
others about it - As we will regain our psychic abilities that
human beings once possessed during the times of Atlantis.

Cheers - turiya

[turiya]

The following posted message is a response to a message that Bill Ryan posted in another thread concerning the Annunaki (Where have they gone?). Bill Ryan writes something that he had found out through his contacts, in that Zecharia Sitchin actually received "channeled communications" from an Annunaki entity, which was how Sitchin had actually come to translate the Sumerian
cuneiform clay tablets. The person that started the thread felt threatened by my response to Bill's post, so I have moved that posted message to this thread, since it does seem to fit better with the topic of whether Zecharia Sitchin was working for those that ran the Illuminati.

Bill's posted message can be found here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post632871

Bill Ryan wrote:

One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.
Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011

Hi Bill - I am sure that you have heard of author, psychic healer, Akashic researcher, Chris Thomas.
I've gotten a hold of some of his books and would like to post some of what he says he has found through his research of the Akashic. In particular, I will excerpt what he has said of the information that comes from "channeled messages".

Channelled Communication
For now, let us return to the events that occurred when the rest of the Velon peoples turned up at our solar system about 200 years ago... Significantly, the Velon also began a campaign of communication with humans; using channelled methods. But, what is meant by "channelling"?

The three main religions, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, accept the Old Testament as a fundamental part of their faith whilst the other religions consider it to be a "Book" of substance. The Old Testament is a collection of stories relating historical events as well as sections foretelling future events - prophecy.

Prophecies are predictions of people, or situations, which will arise in the future and the arrival of these people or the playing out of these events, have a major significance for those who follow that particular faith. Prophesies are made by prophets; people who have received messages from non-corporeal sources. These sources are usually identified as being "angels", or even from "God" himself. In other words, in that the source is non-human, and the message has been "channeled" to the prophet.

In more recent times, the Church has put a block on prophets making predictions as it wants the messages in the Old and New Testaments to remain unchallenged. In order to do this, the Church used its well tried and tested method of making any form of activity or belief that it wanted suppressed as a "sin". Prophecy (channeling) was a well tried and accepted method of receiving "higher wisdom" in Biblical times but because of the Church's labeling it "sinful", it has become something which is less accepted and frequently derided.

However, there are many people who practice this skill and many make highly accurate predictions of future events. The sources of these messages vary considerably, and quite often is a source personal to the channeller, such as a deceased relative. However, there are many other sources such as those of the non-physical races. As we move forwards to the completion of the Human Plan (the entire soul being able, once again, to be contained within the human form), there are many, particularly those of the helpful semi-physical races, who have been attempting to communicate with those on Earth in order to help us steer a less traumatic path to our completion. It was these benign sources that the Velon attempted to emulate and, in so doing, saw an opportunity to deliberately mislead people into accepting the Velon agenda.

In order to do this, they adopted a large number of disguises and claimed to represent a number of "committees" or "federations", who claimed to work in the best interests of the Earth and humanity, passing on bogus information that only suited Velon interests.

According to the Akashic, something in the region of 90 percent of ALL channeled material received by human mediums over the past 50 years is of Velon origin. This is a list of channeled sources we have definitely identified as being of Velon origin:

Abbenaki, Agharthanians, Alpha Draconians, Altarians, Annunaki, Apa-Mus, Aryans, Blonde Nordic Humanoids, Blonds, Central Race, Dals, Dracos, Elohim, Esteknas, Felines, Galimaians, Jupiterians, Kumaras, Liquidians, Nephilim, Niburians, Nommos, Nors, Orions, Paschats, Reptilians, Reticulans, Neutral Greys, Rigelians, 3rd Lemuria, 5th Aryan, 6th Meruvian, 7th Paradisian, Santinians, Seeders, Ascended Sirians, Suvians, Tall Whites, Venusians, Zetas.

In addition to these "races" there are: Ascended Masters, Metatron, Mary Magdalene, Saint Germaine, as well as several hundred "Angels" and "Arch-Angels".

The following organizations or committees are also theirs:
Great White Brotherhood, Galactic Federation, Masters from the White Lodge, Orion Empire, Ashtar Command, Borealis, and The Council of Nine. Also, when in human form, The Five Perfect Masters, although these can also act as a channeled source whether physical or not.

These lists are not exhaustive, there will be many other channeled sources which we have not encountered in literature and so it would be fair to assume that if you are someone who channels or reads channeled literature, the chances are that the source will, in some way or another, be of Velon origin.

The purpose of these communications is to propagandize people into believing that we are about to undergo a process of "ascension". This term which the Velon coined themselves. On one level or another, this is as a result of the Human Plan approaching its planned completion at the end of 2011/2012. The Velon have attempted to confuse the issue by trying to persuade us that instead of reintegrating the whole of the soul back into the body, we are about to undergo a process of "ascending to higher dimensions". In other words, we will no longer remain on Earth but be forced to leave as our energy frequencies increase up to other dimensional levels.

One of the Velon races, the Hathor, in particular, have been very active in persuading people through channeled material that we must ascend and leave the Earth. The Hathor have a very large following of several thousand people worldwide. This large group was persuaded to contribute funds to building two installations the Hathor call "Celestoriums". One of these Celestoriums is located in Texas and the other in Belize. The Celestoriums are constructed of a copper-lined shaft, about 1 foot in diameter and 100 meters long, sunk vertically into the ground. The shaft was then filled with programmed quartz crystals. The Hathor claim that the purpose of these Celestoriums was to:

"...open and sustain a celestial portal so that beings of the higher worlds can enter this plane and assist in counteracting the great negativity that is loosened on your Earth..."

If this was not sinister enough, the real purpose of the Celestorium became clear on the 10th of April 2006 when the first completed Celestorium was "switched on". Those who were a member of the group who built them underwent some kind of energy-shift. The result, for most, was a feel dizzy, disorientated and nauseous, the remainder felt as though they were being pulled out of their bodies and transported out of the solar system. Fortunately, there are those who keep a wary eye on these kinds of activities and they managed to step in and destroy this first Celestorium before it could carry out its planned task and the other was destroyed at the same time to prevent the same thing happening again. If both Celestoriums had been active at the same time, it is unlikely that any of this group, and quite possibly many others, would have survived.

Other channeled material has stated that humans are on Earth as a result of some kind of inter-galactic war which took place many thousands of years ago and that humans became "slaves of evil Pleiadeans" and left on Earth to die. The "Ascended Sirians" were now turning up to transport humans back to their original home planet.

Another group, who call themselves "Ashtar Command", have also drawn up plans for the evacuation of all humans on Earth (see Appendix 5). Their reason for doing this is that in order to "fulfill" our destiny, we must be transported to another world where we can complete our "Ascension".

Whichever channeled scenario you look at, we end up with the whole of humanity having to leave the planet, in one way or another, in order for us to complete our soul reintegration. Many, many thousands of people, particularly in the Western world, have fallen for this but it essentially comes down to the fact that we know something is changing, we can feel our bodies changing and responding to some impetus but we cannot, very often, work our what it is. The destruction of those who would disseminate the reality of the Human Plan has meant that we are facing the end of this plan without much in the way of guidance. Murder and propaganda over the centuries has meant that the majority of people are unaware that we are close to completion. With the pressure of feelings within their bodies and subconscious, they are looking for some kind of answer and the Velon have stepped in to make use of, and manipulate, the situation to fulfill their own plans.

We are so used to being manipulated, to be given guidance, instead of working things out for ourselves, that the Velon messages are saying is that we need do nothing; just follow instructions and all will be well.

All of the "evacuation" plans, including the Celestoriums, lead to one place and one place only - the empty and dead solar system of Velus. What is waiting for us at the end of these promises is the total loss of humanity. If this happens, then one of the fundamental purposes of this Universe is lost (the original thought - is human life possible?) and if this is lost, the Universe collapses and any form of life, as we know it, ceases to exist. This is the real implication of the Velus/Lucifer actions through the Illuminati and the Freemasons. This cannot happen.

This, then is the "alternative" to the Human Plan invented by the Illuminati and passed down through the highest echelons of the Freemasons - those who have attained level 33 and been invited to join the Palladian Rites - and other secret societies since 1776:

Humans are a race developed by the Velon (Annunaki) as a slave race, created only to work on behalf of the Velon with Lucifer as the "creator god". The original human form is short and dark and designed for manual labor under Velon direction. However, humans are capable of reaching a near god-like status by either genetic manipulation of by mating with members of the Velon race. This genetic crossing creates a hybrid race who look like the Area 51 "Tall White Nordics", indicating that this is the form and appearance to which humans aspire.

At some time before the end of 2012, the Velon will become visible and declare that humans are really a "creation" of 'Lucifer' and not the "God" we have been led to believe through our various religions. The "proof" will be that the Velon will appear in their semi-physical state giving them the appearance and the abilities of a "god-like" race. In comparison, humans, in our current state of being, would be unable to see through this subterfuge and probably accept them without too much question. How could human religious beliefs stand up against a race of beings demonstrating "god-like" powers?

Once the status of the Velon was established, presumably they would then begin to ship humans off the Earth to unknown destinations whilst maintaining a permanent "slave" population of five hundred million on the Earth itself. Once this had been achieved, Velus/Lucifer will have then achieved "his" ultimate aim of claiming the Earth for the Velon as "god's chosen people" living on "god's chosen planet"."
Project HUMAN EXTINCTION: The Ultimate Conspiracy (pages 157-163) (Emphasis mine.)
by Chris Thomas with Dave Morgan

turiya

P.S. Chris Thomas also has said that Alice Bailey, head of the Theosophical Society after Annie Besant, had received channeled messages from an entity that was of Velon origin, Djwahl Kuhl, a.k.a. 'Master D.K.', 'DK', and also referred to as The Tibetan. The name of this entity first appears in the writings of the Society's co-founder, Madame Blavatsky. Although he doesn't say specifically, but it appears to me that, perhaps Albert Pike's so-called "spirit guide" & Aleister Crowley's channeled entity, Aiwass, were also of Velon origin as well.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Later edit
My post regarding what Chris Thomas has to say about Freemasonry
& Albert Pike is here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post638069
The Effects of the Annunaki Fantasy:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post636896
Zecharia Sitchin was Illuminati? - A Revealing Video:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post637178
Jonathan Sellers identifies Zecharia Sitchin in posted drawing?:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post637358
(Seems from the little I researched about Jonathan Sellers, it appears he was somewhat of a believer in the information that Madame Blavatsky had received from her "spirit guide", Djwahl Kuhl of Velon origin - will have to do a bit more research on this.)

[StephenW11UK]

Thank you, Airwooz. Years ago when David Icke published his interview with Arizona Wilder I was struck by her comments on Sitchin - someone whose writings I'd been taking to be genuine for some time, although he never seemed to go along with the idea of the Annunaki actually being reptilans . And now, I was having this very positive reaction to most of the other claims Arizona was making. In fact, I was almost as impressed by her as I was by David's interview with Cathy O Brien, the high-level sex slave and, now happily, IMO a spiritually beautiful woman. So when, at the end of the interview, David remarked that he had been "warned off" by Sitchin, I felt I was very probably seeing things rather more clearly now.

P.S. As I was writing this, turiya, you posted about the information Kerry and Bill had got some time back. Interesting that Sitchin should be to some degree reliant on channeled information!

[turiya]

StephenW11UK wrote:

P.S. As I was writing this, turiya, you posted about the information Kerry and Bill had got some time back. Interesting that Sitchin should be to some degree reliant on channeled information!

Yes - Sitchin, unknowingly (in my book), was a very useful tool for spreading the 'Annunaki Fantasy'. As was, more than likely, Madame Helena Blavatsky, Albert Pike, and no doubt, countless others that were so into channeling so-called "spirit guides".

Interfering with the human being's basic right of "freedom of choice" - the premise by which this Universe was created. This is why the Annunaki (a.k.a Velon) were kicked off this planet & ejected from this solar system (according to Chris Thomas):
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post638660

Cheers - turiya

[East Sun]

When anyone starts playing with DNA as has happened in the past, and is now being done again they deserve to be sent packing, as far away as possible.
The Annanaki might be more trouble than they are worth.
It would be good if they did come back and straighten out a few things here on Earth for us and then continue on their journey. Wishful thinking.

[Prodigal Son]

Which raises the question, what do the Sumerian tablets really say?

[turiya]

Posted by East Sun (here)
When anyone starts playing with DNA as has happened in the past, and is now being done again they deserve to be sent packing, as far away as possible.
The Annanaki might be more trouble than they are worth.
It would be good if they did come back and straighten out a few things here on Earth for us and then continue on their journey. Wishful thinking.

East Sun,
Careful what you wish for, cuz you just might get it...

Archons In The News


This is the nasty breed that farms our planet for power and energy. They can transform into many shapes and sizes, control and influence almost at will, and toy with us like cats in a box of mice.

They’re known by many names and disguises; devils, archangels, powerful spirits, reptilians, greys, djinn, mythical gods and goddesses, anunnaki, you name it. It can be almost anything. These are those that maintain the matrix and pounce upon humanity with wicked alacrity. They know no remorse, compunction, empathy or love.

They are parasitic by their very nature and a cancerous phenomenon in the Universe. And we happen to be on a planet they are farming.

Source: http://www.zengardner.com/archons-in-the-news/
turiya