What will happen to the Vatican during the end times?

[humanalien]

I'm no saint, nor a seer. I can't predict the future and
for the most part, i'm not even a religious person but
sometimes, i can see things that just don't add up.

I'm referring to the vatican. With all the stuff going on
there, with all the child sex acts being committed over
there and nothing being done about it and all the riches
that the vatican has got, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to figure out that something is terribly wrong with the
world church.

Not to mention all the secret documents that the vatican
has hidden away. There must be miles of tunnels, under
the vatican and them tunnels are just packed with documents
with documents that haven't seen the light of day, probably
for centuries. What is so important that the church feels
the need to hide it all from the public?

When the great library of rome burned down, did the vatican
retrieve all those books and documents and then tell the
world that they were lost in the fire? I wonder.

OK. I'm getting a little side tracked here.

I ran across a web page, the other day, that took a crack
and trying to narrow down who the anti-christ might be and
while doing that, they named the vatican as being the
Great Whore of Babylon.

If you care to read about it, here is the web page.

Signs of the Anti-Christ
http://www.christianityoasis.com/End...dhisEmpire.htm

I have felt for years that the vatican would be the downfall
of mankind because they don't teach strictly from the bible.

I went to a catholic church, only one time and that was enough
for me. Right away, i knew that the teachings were all off.

While the priest was reading from his bible aloud, with the followers
reading their bibles to, they would jump from the bible, to some
script that they pass out, before services start. So, reading the
bible became hard when your going between the bible and a script.

Same thing for when we were singing from the hymnals. We started
off singing from a hymnal, then we would jump to a script and
then back to the hymnal. All done while singing one song.

This was very confusing and it was then that i decided that the
catholic church was trying to deceive it's followers and when i
first learn about the catholic priests, molesting children, i knew
for sure that the catholic church was an evil entity in sheeps
clothing.

I apologize to any catholics here but i have to be honest, not
only with myself but with others to. I truly believe the vatican
is evil.

[AutumnW]

What do you mean by the end times? Perhaps the end times, referred to in the book of revelations, means the end of a system. We will be leaving the Piscean age and entering the age of Aquarius--is one way of looking at it. Perhaps a part of that systemic change will be the retrieval of non-conforming sacred documents and all manner of other amazing works of literature, science. This could accompany a pervert and criminal sweep of the Vatican and Roman Catholicism, in general. They will lose all of their wealth, including all of their real estate. It will be reclaimed and divided up by different countries. Sins will be redressed. In other words they will be revealed completely.

Oh well..I can dream, can't I?

Right now they have diplomatic immunity--as if they are a separate country. How weird is that?

[ghostrider]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
What do you mean by the end times? Perhaps the end times, referred to in the book of revelations, means the end of a system. We will be leaving the Piscean age and entering the age of Aquarius--is one way of looking at it. Perhaps a part of that systemic change will be the retrieval of non-conforming sacred documents and all manner of other amazing works of literature, science. This could accompany a pervert and criminal sweep of the Vatican and Roman Catholicism, in general. They will lose all of their wealth, including all of their real estate. It will be reclaimed and divided up by different countries. Sins will be redressed. In other words they will be revealed completely.

Oh well..I can dream, can't I?

Right now they have diplomatic immunity--as if they are a separate country. How weird is that?

yes you can dream... just the mere idea of the end of the corruption and cover up, creates a timeline of possibility, and the loop splits again and again, the ptb didn't factor in all the minds waking up in mass and questioning what they are told, and what they see ... We know the vatican is the seat of evil, the revealing of ET will totally rob them of their control and power over the earth... the vatican really doesn't run the earth anymore, ET does ...we are called the experiment ... the vatican is part of the movie ,doing what they can while they can ...too many people have been killed over religion, it should come with a warning label like cigarettes... this idea could be harzardous to your health ...

[humanalien]

Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo
made statements that satanic
rituals have been performed
inside the vatican.

This happened in November 1996 at the
Fatima 2000 International congress
on world peace.

Dr.Malachi Martin asserted that a
Satanic Enthronement Ceremony, took
place at the vatican in 1963, inside
Saint Paul's Chapel. June 29, 1963

The vatican manifested what clerics
referred to as a SUPERFORCE.

VATICAN WITCHCRAFT and SATANISM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=l-fucVNm9DM

Vati Leaks - Satanism in the Vatican
http://www.vatileaks.com/_blog/Vati_...n_the_Vatican/

Satan in the Vatican
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MA1HCf4do_0

Underneath the Vatican EVIDENCE SATANIC
https://youtube.com/watch?v=z09MwmyhQnU

[jagman]

A few years back I watched Easter Sunday Mass on tv. The pope came out wearing his gold stitched satin robes and carring what looked like a gold and diamond
scepter. He was then seated in front of several gold chalices that were adorned with ruby's diamonds & emeralds. At the end of the service the cardinals and
priests starting kissing his hand with the huge ring.

While all this was going on I kept thinking about how Jesus percieved the mass. After a sermon Jesus gave, a rich man approached and aksed jesus if he could serve him and Jesus told the man go and sell all your possesions and come back and he would except him has a follower. The man turned around and left because he could not part with his earthly riches. Jesus then turned to the crowd who had gathered around and said Mathew 19:24 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

[Mulder]

From my own research, I know benedict is not leaving due to health - look at John Paul II - he never stepped down! I also feel the Vatican will be over-run by a foreign army, the Pope will flee to Jerusalem (ground zero for the end times). While this happens, secret books concerning things like zero-point energy and ETs will be found in the Vatican & will be disclosed to the world. The Church will be hated and there will be a mass "apostasy" by Catholics.

There's a great podcast that goes over some of these points:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-rad...hagmann-report

[RMorgan]

Posted by jagman (here)
Mathew 19:24 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

As a side note, actually, this was mistranslated. It was supposed to be "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel´s hair to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

The overall metaphoric meaning is the same, anyway.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Joseph McAree]

Dear Friends,
In the news to day,
Cardinal Keith O'Brien
Vatican we have a problem! (another one )
We have another cardinal in trouble please see news from BBC
Things are coming to a head !
Kindest Regards
Joe



http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/news/uk-21565750

[WhiteFeather]

Jesus teachings and daily activities seem to be completely opposite of the church and vatican. As they used Jesus as a great marketing tool for this corrupted empire. Much like they used Steve Jobs to let people know Hollistic medicine is a hoax or mockery. The Vatican will fall like many empires fall. This is a program. And the program has now become obsolete. No upgrades or downloads can keep this program on the map any longer. Anything false cannot stand on its own legs and will eventually topple over.

[turiya]

humanalien wrote:

What will happen to the vatican, during the end times.

Burned at the stake! Just like they did to so many others.
Its only fitting, imo.

turiya

[ghostrider]

when the time comes, the vatican will be in rubble and ashes, the ancient prophecies of Henoch has alot to say about this ...

[Youniverse]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
when the time comes, the vatican will be in rubble and ashes, the ancient prophecies of Henoch has alot to say about this ...

Did you mean Enoch or Henoch?

[Youniverse]

It is the time of lifting the veil is it not? So if indeed the Vatican has been up to some very "naughty tricks"(and it seems that they have) it will al be exposed. I keep envisioning that picture from "The Lost Book of Nostradamus" where the Pope is falling off the edge of a cliff. Seems fitting now.

[kreagle]

Posted by humanalien (here)
Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo
made statements that satanic
rituals have been performed
inside the vatican.

This happened in November 1996 at the
Fatima 2000 International congress
on world peace.

Dr.Malachi Martin asserted that a
Satanic Enthronement Ceremony, took
place at the vatican in 1963, inside
Saint Paul's Chapel. June 29, 1963

The vatican manifested what clerics
referred to as a SUPERFORCE.

VATICAN WITCHCRAFT and SATANISM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=l-fucVNm9DM

Vati Leaks - Satanism in the Vatican
http://www.vatileaks.com/_blog/Vati_...n_the_Vatican/

Satan in the Vatican
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MA1HCf4do_0

Underneath the Vatican EVIDENCE SATANIC
https://youtube.com/watch?v=z09MwmyhQnU

humanalien,

Your suspicions are spot on, brother. The wicked agenda of the Catholic 'church' has been orchestrated for thousands, and thousands of years since it's sordid inception. It was by satanic design to systematically infiltrate and destroy the 'original' Apostolic Church which was born into existence on the Day of Pentecost, in the Book of Acts, chapter 2, ( see verse 47). All of your allegations are completely backed up by a staggering plethora of historical documentation, and openly available to anyone who might care to have their eyes opened. Jesus gave us a Divine warning in Matthew what to look out for, which has the Vatican's bloody fingerprints all over It's descriptive nature.

Matthew 7:16-20 (KJV)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

How much 'evil fruit' does one need to see 'harvested' by the Vatican in order to be completely convinced?

How can this 'evil tree' ever be considered to have represented the 'true' Christian Church at 'any point' in mankind's history?

Do apple trees produce 'poison ivy?',......Do tomato vines produce 'horse nettles', ( Solanum carolinense)? Hence, is this not the simple message that Jesus endeavored to teach us? A 'good tree', ( ie. 'true' Christian Church), cannot bring forth evil fruit, folks!,....just like the 'evil tree', ( ie. the Catholic church), notoriously always produces 'fruit' that is poisonous to the 'soul of mankind!'

By the way,......the #1 'fruit' that the Vatican/Catholic church produces and exports on a 'massive assembly line' is,..........'DECEPTION!'


'Many' have already sunk their teeth into this 'fruit', ( DECEPTION), and don't have a clue what is happening to them, and it's far reaching consequences.


When the 'carefully orchestrated' ET's make their presence known, ( heavily sponsored by Catholic/Vatican backing), and mankind is informed by our Catholic 'friends' that the ET's are our,.... 'brothers'....here to help us....played a role in 'creating' us, etc.,....those who have previously sunk their teeth so deeply into the 'fruit', ( DECEPTION), of the Vatican won't know any better!


There are a 'few' individuals who have steadfastly rejected the 'fruit', ( DECEPTION), of the Vatican/Catholic church. Events, like the one mentioned above, won't surprise, ( or side-track), these people for they will be fully prepared, ( and wary), of the deception as it is satanically deployed. ED's will be our visitors,folks,....NOT.....ET's! .... (Extra-Dimensionals,.....NOT.....Extra-Terrestrials!).... The ED's will be 'satanically spawned', ( ie. 'fallen angels'). As such,....you will 'then' see that they are just another 'rotten, poisonous,..... wannabe apple 'that has fallen off the 'evil tree' called the Vatican/Catholic church!

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Consider yourself 'warned!'


Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[Wind]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Jesus teachings and daily activities seem to be completely opposite of the church and vatican. As they used Jesus as a great marketing tool for this corrupted empire. Much like they used Steve Jobs to let people know Hollistic medicine is a hoax. The Vatican will fall like many empires fall. This is a program. And the program has now bedome obsolete. No upgrades or downloads can keep this program on the map any longer. Anything false cannot stand on its legs and will eventually topple over.

Who Jesus really was:
http://angelicview.wordpress.com/201...ed-with-jesus/
http://angelicview.wordpress.com/201...with-jesus-ii/
http://angelicview.wordpress.com/201...ith-jesus-iii/
http://angelicview.wordpress.com/201...with-jesus-iv/

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php...su=Jesus#Jesus

[Youniverse]

Yes it seems I have intuitively known this my whole life. Then years ago when I started reading more truthful works, it was obvious to me of what has gone on within "the church." I work with a person that is a proud Catholic and we have some "interesting conversations." It's kinda disturbing how he has this attitude that if someone isn't Catholic, they are somehow doomed, and if they convert to Catholicism they are most definitely "saved." I laugh and poke fun at his beliefs sometimes when he displays that kind of attitude. I ask him, "what about all the records of Jesus' real teachings that have been omitted?" I say to him, "When are you going to start discovering the real Jesus?" Even the words of Jesus that are in the Bible have been twisted out of context or deliberately misinterpreted by the church to keep people enslaved.

[humanalien]

Posted by kreagle (here)

Posted by humanalien (here)
Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo
made statements that satanic
rituals have been performed
inside the vatican.

This happened in November 1996 at the
Fatima 2000 International congress
on world peace.

Dr.Malachi Martin asserted that a
Satanic Enthronement Ceremony, took
place at the vatican in 1963, inside
Saint Paul's Chapel. June 29, 1963

The vatican manifested what clerics
referred to as a SUPERFORCE.

VATICAN WITCHCRAFT and SATANISM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=l-fucVNm9DM

Vati Leaks - Satanism in the Vatican
http://www.vatileaks.com/_blog/Vati_...n_the_Vatican/

Satan in the Vatican
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MA1HCf4do_0

Underneath the Vatican EVIDENCE SATANIC
https://youtube.com/watch?v=z09MwmyhQnU

humanalien,

Your suspicions are spot on, brother. The wicked agenda of the Catholic 'church' has been orchestrated for thousands, and thousands of years since it's sordid inception. It was by satanic design to systematically infiltrate and destroy the 'original' Apostolic Church which was born into existence on the Day of Pentecost, in the Book of Acts, chapter 2, ( see verse 47). All of your allegations are completely backed up by a staggering plethora of historical documentation, and openly available to anyone who might care to have their eyes opened. Jesus gave us a Divine warning in Matthew what to look out for, which has the Vatican's bloody fingerprints all over It's descriptive nature.

Matthew 7:16-20 (KJV)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

How much 'evil fruit' does one need to see 'harvested' by the Vatican in order to be completely convinced?

How can this 'evil tree' ever be considered to have represented the 'true' Christian Church at 'any point' in mankind's history?

Do apple trees produce 'poison ivy?',......Do tomato vines produce 'horse nettles', ( Solanum carolinense)? Hence, is this not the simple message that Jesus endeavored to teach us? A 'good tree', ( ie. 'true' Christian Church), cannot bring forth evil fruit, folks!,....just like the 'evil tree', ( ie. the Catholic church), notoriously always produces 'fruit' that is poisonous to the 'soul of mankind!'

By the way,......the #1 'fruit' that the Vatican/Catholic church produces and exports on a 'massive assembly line' is,..........'DECEPTION!'


'Many' have already sunk their teeth into this 'fruit', ( DECEPTION), and don't have a clue what is happening to them, and it's far reaching consequences.


When the 'carefully orchestrated' ET's make their presence known, ( heavily sponsored by Catholic/Vatican backing), and mankind is informed by our Catholic 'friends' that the ET's are our,.... 'brothers'....here to help us....played a role in 'creating' us, etc.,....those who have previously sunk their teeth so deeply into the 'fruit', ( DECEPTION), of the Vatican won't know any better!


There are a 'few' individuals who have steadfastly rejected the 'fruit', ( DECEPTION), of the Vatican/Catholic church. Events, like the one mentioned above, won't surprise, ( or side-track), these people for they will be fully prepared, ( and wary), of the deception as it is satanically deployed. ED's will be our visitors,folks,....NOT.....ET's! .... (Extra-Dimensionals,.....NOT.....Extra-Terrestrials!).... The ED's will be 'satanically spawned', ( ie. 'fallen angels'). As such,....you will 'then' see that they are just another 'rotten, poisonous,..... wannabe apple 'that has fallen off the 'evil tree' called the Vatican/Catholic church!

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Consider yourself 'warned!'


Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

Thanks kreagle

I was trying to remember about those quotes from the bible
to help my case against the catholic church and wouldn't you
know it, i couldn't think of one of them.

I look at the catholic church and i see the massive wealth they
have. I see people bowing down before the pope and kissing his
hand, like he was going to save them or heal them. I see catholics
bowing and praying to statues of jesus, mary and even a cross. I
see them kissing and praying with rosary beads, like that is going
to save them.

These, in my opinion, are not good fruits, produced from the catholic
faith. These people are seriously mind controlled and i hope that God
will open their eyes to let them see what they are doing wrong.

In fact, there is nothing good that is ever produced from the vatican.
What have they done, even recently, that could be considered good?

I think people should just give up on all religions because all of them
are corrupt. Go back to the basics and just pray to God in your own
personal way. We don't need a church to do this. Did we ever really
even need a church, to begin with?

Thanks to everyone else that posted on this thread to. You have
given me a lot to think about....

[kreagle]

Posted by humanalien (here)
I think people should just give up on all religions because all of them
are corrupt. Go back to the basics and just pray to God in your own
personal way. We don't need a church to do this. Did we ever really
even need a church, to begin with?

Thanks to everyone else that posted on this thread to. You have
given me a lot to think about....

Brother, I feel, ( and understand) your total frustration with religion/church. However,....'don't throw the baby out with the bath water!', my dear friend. The 'Apostolic' Church of 'yesterday', ( Acts 2:47), is still alive and keeping herself pure, ( in doctrine and principle), and anxiously awaiting the return of her Husband, Jesus Christ.

Did we ever really
even need a church, to begin with?

According to our Lord, Jesus Christ,.....yes, we most certainly do!

Here, He told Peter that He would build It, ( the Church),...and protect It from the onslaughts of hell, ( Satan).

Matthew 16:18 (KJV)

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Here, we find that He fulfilled His promise to Peter, and actually built It!

Acts 2:47 (KJV)

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Here we are exhorted to 'gather together' in fellowship as 'believers' ( ie. 'attend Church')

Hebrews 10:25 (KJV)

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Just to show you how important the 'Church' actually is, humanalien, the Church is specifically mentioned 'one hundred, eleven times', ( 111), throughout the New Testament.


Should any of the above leave you still 'doubting' the significance of the Church, then look at what 'cost' He was willing to pay, for Her, (....His Bride,...the Church!)

Acts 20:28
King James Version (KJV)

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Yes,....'She's' very special to Him!,.....and, likewise, should be 'special' for us to belong to Her!

Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[humanalien]

Excuse me if i seem to be a bit dense here but i thought
peter had the first church built in rome, which is the vatican
today.

Secondly, was jesus speaking of a physical church, made
of stone and other materials or was jesus saying that peter
was the rock of the church? Was peter himself the church?

As far as i know, i have never seen or heard of the real
church of God, in a physical sense.

[humanalien]

I don't think jesus was speaking of a physical church.
His church is made up of followers of christ aka "people".

What is the Church? —One Christ, one church

Jesus told Peter, "I will build my church" (Mtt 16:18). Soon after he died and arose from the dead, he did exactly that —He built his church, and he has been building it ever since.

What is the church?

The church is people Jesus built his church not of wood and stone, but of people. Peter was one of them, a part of the church's "foundation of the apostles and prophets" (Eph 2:20). Peter, like the other apostles, became a part of the church's one foundation. But he did this only by preaching the truth about Jesus Christ, "the chief corner stone" (Eph 2:20) so that all who follow that truth may be a part of the church too. The church is not a hierarchy of bishops and priests. All who make Christ the foundation of their lives, and obey him in faith, become stones in the temple of God. All those people are the church of Christ. (Eph 2:19-21, 1Pe 2:4-8).

The church is what Jesus built. Jesus did not say to Peter, "I will build your church". He said, "I will build my church". It is not "the church of Saint Peter". It is the church of Christ. Jesus is the true rock, and the church has "no other foundation" and no other founder. (1Co 3:11). Many denominations exist, all built and founded by someone other than Jesus. The church is not one of these. The church existed before any of these denominations. It did not arise out of them, and they did not arise out of it. They are separate "buildings" which the Lord did not build.

http://www.simplybible.com.au/f186.htm

I'd like to add here that maybe this is what
you were trying to tell me and i misunderstood you.

I would also like to add that i still see no need of any
religion. Look at the fruits that it produces. Bad ones,
for sure.

If you want to worship God, then by all means do so
but don't turn it into a religion. This is a man made
concept and it does not work.

You do not need a physical building or church to go to
in order to worship God. You can do that from home or
anywhere.

The bible says: "That where two or more gather, in my name,
there i will be also" (Matthew 18:20). The bible doesn't say,
it has to be in a church. Again, a physical church is a man made
thing and although in the beginning, it maybe have started off
innocently enough, now it is being used as more of a business
operation.

You only need to look at the vatican and all of those televised
evangelicals to see what i mean. They required hundreds of
thousands of dollars, if not millions, to operate. Not to mention
that your only stuffing the pockets of these crooks that preach
in them....