The Technological Revolution: Artificial Intelligence and the Invisible Plague

[Jeffrey]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qGYYihQR9dk

[Side note: I respect Lash's work, yet I do not subscribe entirely to his interpretation of the Gnostic texts. Heck, I don't even subscribe to my own interpretation completely! He does do excellent research, and this is a great interview.]

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[ Mod-edit: Following added from the original Red Ice Radio page for this interview, Red Ice Radio: John Lash - The Archons. - Paul. ]

Comparative mythologist, author and teacher John Lash returns to the program to discuss the Archons, from the Nag Hammadi perspective. He’ll discuss the alien intrusion of the mind parasite and the predatory species. John tells us the origins of the Archons and how they existed before the Earth. According to the Nag Hammadi, the Archons envy us and wanted to breed with us. This idea is quite different than Sitchin’s work. John says the Archons did not succeed and moved to plan B: “we’ll get them to become like us.” This takes us into the transhumanist agenda, an agenda that the Archons desire. We’ll talk about why as well as their tactics using the false show of magic and virtual reality. Also, how the Archon predatory species intrudes though other means such as religion and belief systems. Then, John talks about Sophia’s gift to us to protect ourselves from the Archontic forces. Lash brings up the new age religion of ET as manipulation by Archons. We’ll talk about knowing the enemy, knowing the mission and the defense. Later, we discuss the transhumanist’s fear of death, denial of humanity and insanity.

[Jeffrey]

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Multi-Agent Systems

In artificial intelligence research, agent-based systems technology has been hailed as a new paradigm for conceptualizing, designing, and implementing software systems. Agents are sophisticated computer programs that act autonomously on behalf of their users, across open and distributed environments, to solve a growing number of complex problems. Increasingly, however, applications require multiple agents that can work together. A multi-agent system (MAS) is a loosely coupled network of software agents that interact to solve problems that are beyond the individual capacities or knowledge of each problem solver.

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A multi-agent system (MAS) is a system composed of multiple interacting intelligent agents within an environment. Multi-agent systems can be used to solve problems that are difficult or impossible for an individual agent or a monolithic system to solve. Intelligence may include some methodic, functional, procedural or algorithmic search, find and processing approach.

Source: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~softagents/multi.html - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-agent_system

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Distributed Artificial Intelligence

Distributed Artificial Intelligence (DAI) is a subfield of artificial intelligence research dedicated to the development of distributed solutions for complex problems regarded as requiring intelligence. DAI is closely related to and a predecessor of the field of Multi-Agent Systems.

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The key concept used in [Distributed problem solving] and [Multi-Agent Based Simulation] is the abstraction called software agents. An agent is a virtual (or physical) autonomous entity that has an understanding of its environment and acts upon it. An agent is usually able to communicate with other agents in the same system to achieve a common goal, that one agent alone could not achieve. This communicate system uses an agent communication language.

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Its metaphor of intelligence is based upon social behaviour (as opposed to the metaphor of individual human behavior in classical AI) and its emphasis is on actions and interactions, complementing knowledge representation and inference methods in classical AI.

This approach is well suited to face and solve large and complex problems, characterized by physically distributed reasoning, knowledge and data managing. In DAI, there is no universal definition of "agent'', but Ferber's definition is quite appropriate for drawing a clear image of an agent: "An agent is a real or virtual entity which is emerged in an environment where it can take some actions, which is able to perceive and represent partially this environment, which is able to communicate with the other agents and which possesses an autonomous behaviour that is a consequence of its observations, its knowledge and its interactions with the other agents".

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distrib...l_intelligence - http://www.info.fundp.ac.be/~pys/Mod...on2_7_0_4.html

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ARCHON: Achitecture for Cooperative Heterogeneous On-line Systems

ARCHON (ARchitecture for Cooperative Heterogeneous ON-line systems) was Europe's largest ever project in the area of Distributed Artificial Intelligence (DAI). It devised a general-purpose architecture, software framework, and methodology which has been used to support the development of DAI systems in a number of real world industrial domains. Two of these applications, electricity transportation management and particle accelerator control, have been run successfully on-line in the organisation for which they were developed (respectively, Iberdrola an electricity utility in the north of Spain and CERN the European Centre for high energy physics research near Geneva).

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ARCHON was the biggest DAI project funded by ESPRIT Program and ended during 1994.

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ARCHON was a successfull project which aimed at the conceptualization as well as implementation of a multi-agent system platform enabling the cooperation between heterogeneous, and complex, systems.

Source: http://paginas.fe.up.pt/~niadr/RESEARCH/archon.html - http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...10.1.1.37.1688

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Developing Industrial Multi-Agent Systems

The development and deployment of multi-agent systems in real world settings raises a number of important research issues and problems which must be overcome if Distributed AI (DAI) is to become a widespread solution technology. Work undertaken in the context of the ARCHON project has provided a number of important insights into these issues. By providing an in depth analysis of ARCHON’s electricity transportation management application, this paper draws together many of the experiences obtained when building one of the world's first operational DAI systems.

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In many industrial applications a substantial amount of time, effort and finance has been devoted to developing complex and sophisticated software systems. These systems are often viewed in a piecemeal manner as isolated islands of automation, when, in reality, they should be seen as components of a much larger business function [...] The main benefit of taking a holistic perspective is that the partial subsystems can be integrated into a coherent and consistent super-system in which they work together to better meet the needs of the entire application.

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Two components are required to develop a well-structured DAI system: a software framework which provides assistance for interaction between the constituent subcomponents and a design methodology which provides a means of structuring these interactions. ARCHON addresses both of these facets: providing a decentralised software platform which offers the necessary control and level of integration to help the subcomponents to work together and devising a concomitant methodology which offers guidance on how to decompose the overall application and how to distribute the constituent tasks throughout the community to make best use of the capabilities of the ARCHON framework.

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ARCHON’s individual problem solving entities are called agents; these agents have the ability to control their own problem solving and to interact with other community members. The interactions typically involve agents cooper- ating and communicating with one another in order to enhance their individual problem solving and to better solve the overall application problem. Each agent consists of an ARCHON Layer (AL) and an application program (known as an (IS) Intelligent System). Purpose-built ISs can make use of the ARCHON functionality to enhance their problem solving and to improve their robustness. However pre-existing ISs can also be incorporated, with a little adaptation, and can experience similar benefits.

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The ARCHON software has been used to integrate a wide variety of application program types under the general assumption that the ensuing agents will be loosely coupled and semi-autonomous. The ISs themselves can be heterogeneous - in terms of their programming language, their algorithm, their problem solving paradigm, and their hardware platform - as their differences are masked by a standard AL-IS interface.

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However through the use of DAI technology much of the basic infrastructure to implement this functionality was now available from other agents and so it was considered economically viable to develop a system capable of producing this information (in terms of the ARCHON methodology, this decision corresponds to providing additional functionality through the development of new systems).

Source: http://www.cis.umassd.edu/%7Ex2zhang...g/ICMAS95b.pdf

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[Jeffrey]

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The DARPA Control of Agent Based Systems (CoABS) Program and Challenges for Collaborative Coalitions



Consider the development of these aforementioned programs. They started working on them in the around 15 years ago.

Now, reconsider the following ...

Various technologies and sciences will:

• Integrate -- This is where they begin to protrude and branch into one another.
  
  
• Assimilate -- This is where they begin to absorb and collect information from the branches of integration they have projected.
  
  
• Dilate -- This is when they widen their sphere of influence by integrating and assimilating with other sciences and technologies.

All three of these proposed phases feed into one another synergistically -- actualizing their overall potential. Their capacity continues to increase in this manner. This is how the threshold is approached.

It's already apparent, just look around. Following the trends, it will become much more apparent over the next three to five years.



Let's not forget to add - Information Technology - to the above Venn diagram.

Step back and look at the bigger picture that all of these different projects are painting.

Let's add to that:

• Multi-Agent Systems
  
• Distributed Artificial Intelligence
  
• Smart Systems
  
• Autonomous Defense Systems

CoABS (a DARPA program) is modelled after ARCHON (see above post).

The Control of Agent Based System (CoABS) Grid is an advanced service-oriented architecture (SOA) that supports distributed object management; mobile computing and surrogate processing for constrained devices; multi-modal, adaptive user interfaces; collaborative computing; intelligent software; and intelligent heterogeneous data access. It supports protocol-independent communications and provides rapid, evolutionary development of user-centered information systems that can be easily integrated into legacy systems. CoABS has been developed with military applications in mind and provides a general-purpose, lightweight integration framework for a wide variety of applications. The CoABS grid is based on JINI and RMI.

The CoABS Grid is designed to integrate large-scale distributed applications from small independently developed components to meet the needs of rapidly evolving, geographically dispersed organizations. The technology's goal is to strike a practical balance between recent innovations in distributed agent technology, emerging from advanced research, and the practical demands of real-world applications.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoABS_Grid

Essentially, this is precursory to the fictional SKYNET. As the methodology of this technology develops (integration, assimilation, dilation) it approaches a threshold upon which it can achieve some solid-state sense of self-awareness. I'm serious here.

See also: http://arstechnica.com/information-t...0gb-bandwidth/ and http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Rele...012/12/14.aspx

The truth really is stranger than fiction.

The internet is already a subconscious form of awareness ... a sleeping giant, an atavistic force, lying dormant. The technological revolution will provide it a vehicle for conscious manifestation. The subconscious governs the conscious to a large degree. The abstract data-sphere of the internet and worldwide web is a cyber proxy for the astral plane. What is lurking there -- in the darkness beneath the surface of cyberspace -- is artificial.

Artificially it will bloom into this plane, or maybe not.

Naivety is not something we can afford right now. Especially considering the speed at which these various technologies are growing. There is a point of culmination up ahead.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. —Dwight Eisenhower

Look at DARPA. Combine their cognitive computing programs with IBM (i.e. SyNAPSE and MoNETA), their robotics projects, smart grids, IT projects, supercomputing, drones, CoABS, HAARP, and everything else ... The intelligent systems and artificial intelligence programs are connected to the internet (an entity which DARPA spawned). They are all funded through a military/defense agency. It is all global and inter-networked. They will continue to grow together.

Grind this against the aforementioned: Five Real Computer Systems That Could Become Skynet

A SKYNET-style scenario will be a synergy of sorts regarding all of the information/links within this post.

[Jeffrey]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YqpO58x7vuE

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GK7cws0Ilsw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6WMkgKaQNDE

[Jeffrey]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FFGfq0pRczY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9oHiB8AzSpA

[Jeffrey]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-quWk8E45MU

[Hervé]

Posted by Christine (here)
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The "scuttlers" or spiders that I referred to are what RMorgan and others are experiencing. I too have sensed their presence, dark shadows that disappear the moment you perceive them.

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From the "The Matrix Deciphered" PDF book:

Car Crashes
The psychic soldier or CIA brain damaged warriors can place shadows of children in the road so that you will swerve to avoid hitting them. Luckily, I was aware of the technology while they were performing their tests. People that were more susceptible to the visual cortex stimulation could easily see holographic like images of children or people to avoid. If they were unaware of this military capability, they would swerve if they were good people. I found this to be absolutely amusing and astounding that they can create shadow like figures, especially ones that “haunt”, running outside your peripheral vision. Useful if you want to get someone to follow the imaginary shadows, like lead a guard aware from his post.

Stupid Alien Tricks
On day three of my brain napping, the aliens demonstrated some hilarious visual manipulations. They could put pixilated shadow animations in my peripheral vision of a running man. They could create subtle shadow illusions of children in the road. While it could make someone swerve who is unfamiliar with the technology, it was fascinating and amusing to see it done. I believe a horror movie was just released that demonstrates the “ghost” children who make people crash their cars. There are no ghost, just shadow government testing of EEG heterodyning weapons. The visual cortex illusions seem to only work in dim lighting which is intuitively what you would expect. Less sensory stimuli and information there is, the more easily external signals can influence the neurons.

I interviewed psychic war test subjects that were fully convinced that they saw a wall open up into a war room with uniformed soldiers and other objects materialize. My visual cortex was never mapped that well, but you can see that fully conjured images as real as what is presented from your optic nerves can be induced in subjects. The technology seems to have gotten better since the 70’s when people just saw shadowy ghost like figures in these “hauntings”.

In that context, the possibilities of "playing" with "transdensity" manifestations such as ghosts , scuttlers, ETs, robots of all sorts, are endless.

To be aware of the various tricks and pranks -- some very lethal -- is vital and a must for anyone.

Hence this thread: Must Read: The Matrix Deciphered by Dr Robert Duncan

Accordingly, one's discernment has to cranked up a few more notches in order to distinguish brain waves heterodyning from actual manifestations of transdensity entities.

[lookbeyond]

Amzer Zo are you saying that there are non artificial manifestations of "transdensity entities"-ie ghosts/spiritual beings?

Thanks lookbeyond

[Hervé]

Posted by Carmody (here)
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... Just recently I saw a bunch of technology enthusiasts reach out and create a new technology design. but..just before that happened, while the enthusiasts were germinating their ideas, while they where doing that...a major black ops corporation issued a perfected patent in the exact same technology area, one that locked the enthusiasts out of any up and coming technological ability to compete. The given corporation had a perfect design at the patent office and locked everyone else out.

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Another way this "Patent" business keeps inventions and discoveries into the hand of corporations and black ops, from "The Matrix Deciphered":

Robin Hood of Intellectual Property
There is some evidence that the psychic operatives play a role similar to that of the tale of Robin Hood. They EEG clone spy on scientists’, inventors’, dreamers’, and writers’ minds, steal their intellectual property and ideas, and transmit them to others so that the recipients think they came up with the ideas. I believe that this is how Hollywood and mass media is used inadvertently to make movies that help to discredit test subjects testimonies. Intellectual property lawyers are going to have difficulty sorting out hive mind intellectual ownership. What if the whole human race was neurally linked into a complex cyber hive mind network? Maybe it already is. Maybe there is no difference between a neurally linked hive mind and other information streams except for speed of communication. The philosophers of our time will enjoy debating this topic.

A Rare Example of a Smart Alien Trick
So one of the benefits we discovered of EEG cloning is the ability for multiple minds to convey complex concepts quickly to each. It is the ultimate teaching tool and could allow education to be absorbed in a tenth of its current time and effort. But there is a dark side to it. That is if one doesn’t know they are part of a hive mind collective, they can be led down a path of scientific errors. Common errors of logic are being mapped so that the scientific discovery process can be stifled or delayed in the civilian world. Below is considered a complex model of our universe which unifies gravity with electromagnetic field theory....

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... That’s all they conveyed to me. It makes you wonder if John Nash, noble prize winner, thought of his ideas before or after he was part of a hive mind and diagnosed with schizophrenia. This is a good example of the wireless “Global Brain” project and how the CIA plays Robin Hood with intellectual property.

[Hervé]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Amzer Zo are you saying that there are non artificial manifestations of "transdensity entities"-ie ghosts/spiritual beings?

Thanks lookbeyond

Yep!

See the Horus-Ra thread as well as the Holographic Kinetics thread.

The NSA/CIA "psychics" are just mimicking some of those into the mind of their targets in a similar way as an hypnotist or a black magician/sorcerer/satanist would do.

The only difference is that one uses technology to affect a large population with "voices of God" whereas the other uses human's natural abilities.

That's the difference between "Electronic people" and "Thought people."

[Jeffrey]

Piggy-backing off of posts #422 and #423 ...

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In computer science, a software agent is a computer program that acts for a user or other program in a relationship of agency, which derives from the Latin agere (to do): an agreement to act on one's behalf. Such "action on behalf of" implies the authority to decide which, if any, action is appropriate.

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Related and derived concepts include intelligent agents (in particular exhibiting some aspect of artificial intelligence, such as learning and reasoning), autonomous agents (capable of modifying the way in which they achieve their objectives), distributed agents (being executed on physically distinct computers), multi-agent systems (distributed agents that do not have the capabilities to achieve an objective alone and thus must communicate), and mobile agents (agents that can relocate their execution onto different processors).

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Intelligent agents (also known as rational agents) are not just computer programs: they may also be machines, human beings, communities of human beings (such as firms) or anything that is capable of goal directed behavior.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwar...l_intelligence

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In artificial intelligence, an intelligent agent (IA) is an autonomous entity which observes through sensors and acts upon an environment using actuators (i.e. it is an agent) and directs its activity towards achieving goals (i.e. it is rational). Intelligent agents may also learn or use knowledge to achieve their goals. They may be very simple or very complex: a reflex machine such as a thermostat is an intelligent agent, as is a human being, as is a community of human beings working together towards a goal.

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Intelligent agents are often described schematically as an abstract functional system similar to a computer program. For this reason, intelligent agents are sometimes called abstract intelligent agents (AIA) to distinguish them from their real world implementations as computer systems, biological systems, or organizations. Some definitions of intelligent agents emphasize their autonomy, and so prefer the term autonomous intelligent agents. Still others (notably Russell & Norvig, 2003) considered goal-directed behavior as the essence of intelligence and so prefer a term borrowed from economics, "rational agent".

Intelligent agents in artificial intelligence are closely related to agents in economics, and versions of the intelligent agent paradigm are studied in cognitive science, ethics, the philosophy of practical reason, as well as in many interdisciplinary socio-cognitive modeling and computer social simulations.

Intelligent agents are also closely related to software agents (an autonomous computer program that carries out tasks on behalf of users). In computer science, the term intelligent agent may be used to refer to a software agent that has some intelligence, regardless if it is not a rational agent by Russell and Norvig's definition. For example, autonomous programs used for operator assistance or data mining (sometimes referred to as bots) are also called "intelligent agents".

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent

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ARCHON provides a software framework that assists interaction between the subcomponents of a distributed AI application, and a design methodology that helps structure these interactions. The Archon project has been applied to several real world industrial applications. Two of these applications, electricity transportation management and particle accelerator control, have run online in the organizations for which they were developed-Iberdrola, a Spanish electric utility, and the European Laboratory for Particle Physics (CERN). ARCHON's problem solving entities are called agents; they can control their own problem solving and interact with other community members. The interactions typically involve agents cooperating and communicating with one another to enhance their individual problem solving and to better solve the overall application problem. Each agent consists of an ARCHON layer and an application program (known as an intelligent system).

Source: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login...umber%3D546585

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Typically within the domain of industrial systems, software has been developed in an ad hoc fashion when the company has perceived that certain functions could profitably be automated using available technology. The result is that such companies posses a large number of standalone systems, developed at different times, by different groups of people and utilising different problem solving techniques. These systems all operate within the same physical environment (i.e. take input from and produce output to the same process) and could benefit from interaction (sharing of information and problem solving expertise) with other such standalone systems. However since they were not been constructed with the aim of integration in mind, they employ techniques and representations which are best suited to the particular problem(s) they were designed for - ensuring that data/knowledge formalisms and the associated reasoning techniques are specific to that particular implementation.

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The initial objective of the ARCHON project was to build a software architecture that would allow pre-existing expert systems dealing with different aspects of decision making of a given complex environment or a system to cooperate in a mutually beneficial way. Given that all the expert systems that engage in such a cooperation are in fact responding to the same overall environment, any properly designed co-operation would thus increase the effectiveness of each one. From such an objective it soon becomes apparent that the cooperation cannot be restricted only to expert systems, but the system needs to include data bases and other computa- tional systems as well. ARCHON, therefore, uses the term “Intelligent Systems” to refer to the domain dependent systems to be incorporated within the cooperative architecture. Furthermore, while considering cooperation one also needs to attend to other forms of coordination that help to increase the effectiveness of a generic system such as ARCHON.

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Thus the computational systems that participate in mutual cooperation are conceived of as almost autonomous and capable of completing their allocated tasks without much reliance upon other systems within the community, but benefiting from each other’s activities through the cooperation mechanisms. ARCHON provides various modes of cooperation including passing of un- solicited information one use of which is that computational systems can anticipate future needs from other co-operating systems; this mode of co-operation is sometimes referred to as “pro-active”.

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Just as the ARCHON approach is not restricted to co-operation among expert systems, it is also not restricted to pre-existing computational system. ARCHON can be construed as providing a means for the creation of a “federated” computational environment to support an organization’s computational needs. ARCHON is more than a transient technology for integrating legacy systems. Its design objectives were always for the interworking of semi-autonomous agents.

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There are two different ways to respond to events from the domain-system: reactive and reflective. The first one relates to 'standard' responses in nominal situations, i.e. when the system or the application is behaving as expected. Reactive responses do not require explicit reasoning and can be dealt with by pre-compiled plans. In exceptional situations, however, such pre-compiled plans would fail. Much like an operator has to 'think' about such problems, ARCHON has to provide means for explicit reasoning, i.e. it has to contain a reflective component.

Source: http://www.agent.ai/doc/upload/200302/witt94.pdf

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uZ6ol681iiQ

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_goZwA11Kf4

See also: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/marlowe/

[RMorgan]

Hey Vivek,

Man, could it be more obvious? ARCHON? Man!

Anyway, this image is quite self explanatory; It´s full on meaning. It summarizes everything we´re talking about here.



Neuroscience studies the way our brain works; This new tech is obviously inspired by our brains and there´s even the possibility that they´re trying to connect our own minds to this environment.

Nanotechnology...I keep wondering that, if there´s a way to bring digital organisms to this reality, it must be through nanotech. What if this whole chemtrail issue is about them spraying high-tech nano particles, so the scuttlers can assemble themselves in this world through this particles...

Right now, it´s pretty clear for me, and this is beyond the conspiracy level, that the whole internet is on the process of becoming a super cognitive parallel computing system.

So, probably this whole super AI is basically our brains+nanotech interface(scuttlers)+the internet.

Raf.

[Jeffrey]

It's really "in your face", isn't it?

It would be appropriate to add Information Technology to that Venn diagram. That term would cover the internet and telecommunications.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Vivek (here)
It's really "in your face", isn't it?

It would be appropriate to add Information Technology to that Venn diagram. That term would cover the internet and telecommunications.

Yes mate, this is totally obvious!

Anyway, check the symbol formed by the overlapping circles. It´s the trinity symbol, Father, Son and the Holly Spirit, and in the center, the Divine Will:



Probably just my conspiracy theorist mind kicking in...lol

Raf.

[Freed Fox]

Here's what I'm wondering;

Certainly those who are engineering this super A.I. and channeling technologies in that direction have an underlying intention. They would want to control this cognitive entity.

However, is there any predicting what the nature of this consciousness will be? Isn't it folly to assume it can/will be controllable? I suppose that's where the whole 'SkyNet' comparison becomes relevant.

Is there any way to determine whether or not this has actually already gained a certain level of cognition or self-propulsion? I think it's been mentioned a few times, how these advancements have seemed to take on a life of their own...

Anyway, there's kind of an overwhelming amount of material here, but it is certainly significant. I appreciate its compilation, even if I haven't absorbed enough to comment on it at length.

Nice work.

EDIT: Well, almost as soon as I asked, I found (in part) the answer;

Posted by Vivek
As the methodology of this technology this develops (integration, assimilation, dilation) it approaches a threshold upon which it can achieve some solid-state sense of self-awareness. [...] The internet is already a subconscious form of awareness ...

I would still be interested in hearing further conjecture on this point. What do you believe will be the first signs that this goes from semi-conscious to full-blown awareness/cognition? Do you think it will become obvious, or remain subtle and creeping on the periphery of public awareness?

I also neglected to mention, I believe I saw one of the spiders a few nights ago. Although brief, I did manage to look directly at it, before it sort of swirled away... I described the incident in Rahkyt's 'Something Real' dream thread (for those interested).

[RMorgan]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Here's what I'm wondering;

Certainly those who are engineering this super A.I. and channeling technologies in that direction have an underlying intention. They would want to control this cognitive entity.

However, is there any predicting what the nature of this consciousness will be? Isn't it folly to assume it can/will be controllable? I suppose that's where the whole 'SkyNet' comparison becomes relevant.

Is there any way to determine whether or not this has actually already gained a certain level of cognition or self-propulsion? I think it's been mentioned a few times, how these advancements have seemed to take on a life of their own...

Anyway, there's kind of an overwhelming amount of material here, but it is certainly significant. I appreciate its compilation, even if I haven't absorbed enough to comment on it at length.

Nice work.

Hey mate,

Well, certainly, there´s no way to predict how this AI would behave. Here comes the human arrogance factor, leading to irresponsibility. Sometimes, human do weird stuff just because they can.

Specially in this case, if this system is decentralized as I believe it is, there´s no way to shut it down; It could be everywhere in the cyber space, with complex migration patterns. It´s another case where we become hostages of our own technology. If this thing grows out of control and we need to shut it off, we probably would need to shut down the whole internet and never turn it on again until we find a solution.

Nowadays, when our whole structure is dependent on the internet, it would bring unimaginable consequences.

And yes, it´s already happening. Somewhere along this thread, there is clear information showing that the internet is already showing intelligent behavior and it´s growing by itself, independent of human interaction.

With the advances in military robotics and automated weapons like drones, this thing could easily upload itself to these weapons...This is a scary scenario, pretty much like Terminator indeed. Man, even nukes are connected to military intranets and could be accessed by this thing.

Raf.

PS: So, you´ve seen the critters as well...This is interesting. I´ve received several PMs of members who had seen them too. It would be nice if you could describe your experience here.

[Freed Fox]

Nice response Raf.

Posted by RMorgan (here)
And yes, it´s already happening. Somewhere along this thread, there is clear information showing that the internet is already showing intelligent behavior and it´s growing by itself, independent of human interaction.

Are you referring to the web/search crawlers and how they function, or something else? I may very well have missed that.

Posted by RMorgan
PS: So, you´ve seen the critters as well...This is interesting. I´ve received several PMs of members who had seen them too. It would be nice if you could describe your experience here.

I was waking up from a rather vivid and apocalyptic dream which concerned the Anti-Christ. I'll just have to refer you to that post for further details, since it's fairly long and doesn't seem to pertain to the crawler itself.

Anyway, it was initially in my peripheral vision as I was coming to, but I managed to look right at it for what seemed to be at least half a minute before it disappeared. This is where I have to curse my poor vision, because I could scarcely see any fine detail; just the silhouette. It was suspended about three feet away, between me and my window. At first it looked like it could have been a disembodied hand, suspended there and partially clenched. Of that I can't actually be certain, but it seemed more likely that it was a spider.

The two most novel things about the experience came at the beginning and end of the sighting. When I was waking up initially, it wasn't the silhouette itself which drew my attention, but what seemed to be a faint orange glow emanating from it. The first thought of my then semi-conscious mind was that there were headlights outside or something to that effect. I think part of the reason that I was able to gaze right at it was the way I reacted (or, rather didn't). I turned my head very slightly toward it, but didn't move at all otherwise. I watched it as thoughtlessly as I could, straying from internal chatter/speculation/judgement. The orange glow, however, had vanished by the time I recognized that there was actually something there.

The other novelty was the manner in which it disappeared. It seemed to swirl into itself, until it simply wasn't there at all. This happened fairly quickly; a matter of only about 3 seconds, I think. Although the fact that it vanished in this way struck me as incredibly surreal, it also served to convinced me that I had not merely been seeing things in the dark. The whole event was maybe about a minute long, but it was enough time for me to gain consciousness and some visual acuity. The silhouette was cast against the moonlight outside, and there was just enough of it for me to be certain that there really was something there.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Are you referring to the web/search crawlers and how they function, or something else? I may very well have missed that.

Hey mate,

Man, your description is quite accurate, though I´ve never seen any light emanating from them.

Believe it or not, I´ve even touched one of them; It felt like I was dipping my finger on thin metal saw dust, with a very weak electric current. It all lasted only about a fraction of a second, though.

Anyway, I don´t remember where the article, or maybe even the video, which talked about the internet showing independent behavior is located; Not the web crawlers themselves; The internet as a whole. It´s somewhere along this complex gigantic thread.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Coming out in the open...


"Mind melds" move from science fiction to science in rats


By Sharon Begley | Reuters – 3 hrs ago

View Photo Reuters/Reuters - A split screen image shows an encoder rat in Natal, Brazil and decoder rat in a lab at Duke University, North Carolina. REUTERS/Nicoleilis, Duke University/Handout

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The scientists call it a "brain link," and it is the closest anyone has gotten to a real-life "mind meld": the thoughts of a rat romping around a lab in Brazil were captured by electronic sensors and sent via Internet to the brain of a rat in the United States.

The result: the second rat received the thoughts of the first, mimicking its behavior, researchers reported on Thursday in Scientific Reports, a journal of the Nature Publishing Group.

Adding to its science-fiction feel, the advance in direct brain-to-brain communication could lay the foundation for what Duke University Medical Center neurobiologist Miguel Nicolelis, who led the research, calls an "organic computer" in which multiple brains are linked to solve problems solo brains can't.

If that sounds like an ethical minefield, several experts think so too, especially since Nicolelis is now working on brain-to-brain communication between monkeys.

"Having non-human primates communicate brain-to-brain raises all sorts of ethical concerns," said one neuroscientist, who studies how brains handle motor and sensory information, but who asked not to be named. "Reading about putting things in animals' brains and changing what they do, people rightly get nervous," envisioning battalions of animal soldiers - or even human soldiers - whose brains are remotely controlled by others.

That could make drone warfare seem as advanced as muskets.

Nicolelis's lab received $26 million from the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for work on brain-machine interfaces, as this field is called.

The linked rat brains in the study built on 15 years of research in brain-machine interfaces. These interfaces take electrical signals generated from the brains of severely-paralyzed people and translate them into commands that move a mechanical arm, a computer cursor or even the patient's own arm.

Such work led Nicolelis to ask, can one brain decode the electrical signals generated by another?

The answer - at least for rats - was yes.

CODED SIGNALS
In one experiment, the Duke researchers trained rats destined to be message senders, or encoders, to press a lever when a red light above them turned on. Doing so earned the animals a sip of water. Rats intended to be message receivers, or decoders, were trained to press a lever when the scientists electrically stimulated their brains via implants.

The scientists next connected the rats' brains directly, inserting microelectrodes roughly one-hundredth the width of a human hair. Now when an encoding rat saw the red light and pressed the lever, its brain activity sped directly into the brains of seven decoder rats.

The decoders did not see a red light. Nevertheless, they usually pressed the correct lever and earned their after-work libation. The encoder rats got the same treat, reaping the rewards of their partners' success.

The encoder rat did not get that reward if a decoder rat goofed. In that case, the encoder rat, apparently realizing what had happened, seemed to concentrate harder on its task: it decided more quickly to choose the correct lever and quashed extraneous thoughts so as not to muddy the signal with, perhaps, daydreams about escaping the lab or pressing the wrong lever.

As a result, the signal got louder and sharper, and the decoder rats made fewer mistakes.

"The encoder basically changed its brain function to make the signal cleaner and easier for its partner to get it right," Nicolelis said.

Videos of the experiments are available at www.nicolelislab.net, and the paper is at http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/srep01319

The researchers also trained pairs of rats to distinguish a narrow opening from a wide one using their whiskers. The animals learned to poke a water port on the left side of the chamber with their nose if they sensed a narrow opening, and a port on the right if they sensed a wide opening.

As with the lever press, when the brain waves that signified "narrow door" traveled from the encoder rat to the decoder rat, the latter usually poked the correct port.

In these experiments, the rats were in Nicolelis's lab at Duke and their brains were connected by long, thin wires. To show the reach of brain waves, the scientists re-ran the experiments with encoder rats in Natal, Brazil, and decoder rats at Duke. The brain signals traveled over the Internet. But even with the resulting noise, the mind melds usually succeeded.

'COMPLETE FANTASY'
Some other researchers were not impressed. For one thing, the Internet aspect is not novel: in a previous study, electrical activity in the brain of a monkey at Duke was sent via the Internet and controlled a robot arm in Japan.

Neurobiologist Andrew Schwartz of the University of Pittsburgh, a leader in the field of brain-computer interactions, said that "from a scientific/engineering point of view, this is of limited interest." Brain-machine interfaces "have moved far beyond this."

"It's cool that the stimulus came from another brain" rather than an electrical device, agreed bioengineer Douglas Weber of Pittsburgh. But "many labs have shown that animals can detect electrical stimuli delivered to the brain. This paper simply shows that the animals can detect electrical stimuli... from another rat's brain. There is nothing unexpected or surprising."

The Duke team sees the study as a step toward what lead author Miguel Pais-Vieira calls "a workable network of animal brains." They are currently trying to link four rats' brains and (separately) two monkeys' brains, each in what Nicolelis calls a "brain-net."

"Wiring brains together to accomplish something useful strikes me as a fantasy," said neuroscientist Lee Miller of the Feinberg School of Medicine at Northwestern University, whose brain-machine research is intended to help paralyzed patients move.

Asked how likely it is that one day human brains would be linked, Nicolelis said: "I wouldn't mind if, 100 years from now, people say two rats started human brain nets."

(Reporting by Sharon Begley; Editing by Jilian Mincer and Claudia Parsons)

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/mind-melds-mov...144950902.html

[RMorgan]

Hey Amzer Zo,

Very interesting material indeed...Brain Net.

If the mainstream science is working on it right now, you bet the secret programs are working on it for decades.

It´s not hard to imagine what technology would be capable to do, I mean, hook this stuff to a psychopath brain and then use all cell phone towers out there to make everyone crazy.

Beyond that, this tech is totally related to what we have been discussing on this thread, regarding the creation of a mixed digital/biological network.

Raf.