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    I don't believe anything from anyone at this point... even my own "trusted" contacts in the intel community... There IS something big going on but I cannot pin down exactly what it is on my end.

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    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
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    The momentum is with the 180 nation BRICS alliance. They wish to improve the environment and living standards of the planet. Their motto is simple: “make love, not war.”
    Hey mate,

    You know, it´s pretty hard to believe that the BRICS have the best intentions towards the environment and the people.

    I´m Brazilian and I can tell that Brazil is totally sold out. Our environmental laws, recently revamped, just got considerably worse for the environment and better for the farming and livestock lobbyists.

    Our government is completely corrupt; It´s disgusting. They are a bunch of fake left wing politicians that took power only to steal as much as they can.

    How about China? China is the number one on the most polluting countries in the world rank, followed closely by the USA and Russia, and man, the Chinese government treat their own people as animals.

    Honestly, if the American imperialist regime is going down, just to be substituted by the BRICS, man, I don´t think things will be any better for the human race, in fact, things could get even worse.

    The way I see it, indeed the alliance between Brazil, China, Russia and South Africa is very good economically only.

    I can´t see how this alliance could lead to a better system, in terms of humanitarianism and environmentalism.

    Raf.
    totally agree with you on the corruption and politically in for the money and to steal as much as possible from the powers of the BRIC countries. No doubt, certainly as much if not much more corrupt than the American (this is saying it all, the apostheose of corruption), no need to say they do not care for environment of for people, China being the world worst example for it.

    American could have been the light of the world, but it ain't. Yet, a little more respect for the people is there, just a little. And if it goes down, really nothing that could replace it successfully on the environment and people's side.

    this is the problem, nothing to replace it, and countries wanting to fill the gap, that are worst altogether, overall.

    The solution????? A new paradigm altogether most probably. Not sure humans can go through with a new paradigm for the planet.

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    Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
    I don't believe anything from anyone at this point... even my own "trusted" contacts in the intel community... There IS something big going on but I cannot pin down exactly what it is on my end.
    Trust is the new Energy the Goddess is bringing to us right now. In the process of finding deep inner peace you discover that all the answers are lying within you. you have created such a large network of information gathering that you now know the truth. And this truth is that the Dark Forces have been defeated. Live it, there is no fear of anything anymore.
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    Beloved God and Goddesses,
    the solution, the only solution is a spiritual. As long as we engage in all this gossip we will never find the truth. I am sure that with the introduction of the concept of Vibrational Medicines, which are the pillars of our Recconnective Helaing.
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    Ben points out that Leo Zagami reports that the actual remains of Jesus are buried underneath the Vatican - and he adds - "unascended."

    What will Christians do now? Does this end their religion? Now that the public is aware that Jesus was, just like everyone, a mortal being?

    See why I wanted to change my name to justoneclown? Another clown in this planetary clown show?

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    Is March going to be the month of the final breakthrough?

    Benjamin Fulford, February 26, 2013
    shared from truthseeker http://dailymassmeditation.wordpress.com/

    High level geopolitical horse trading going on around right now appears to be headed towards historical changes in how the world is managed will become visible in March. Big diplomatic moves have been seen with Japan, Russia, Europe, South America, Africa and the US during the past week, although with few public announcements. These talks are in preparation for big moves expected after a new Pope and a new Chinese government, formally take the reins of power in March.

    As the horse trading continues, the following potential geopolitical chess moves have been hinted at by the various factions: the Pentagon would seize Nigeria’s oil fields, North Korea would attack Beijing and Shanghai with nukes, China would start a war with India, Japan would team up with Russia, the US and India to tame China, South America would link itself to Africa etc. etc.

    What all this really amounts to is the various factions showing their strengths in preparations for replacing the Western dominated world system of governance with something more representative of the actual people of the planet.

    There were also responses last week from MI5 and from the Vatican P2 about the attacks on the Queen and the papacy.

    Here is the MI5 response to the accusations against the Queen made by US agency types

    http://americannationalmilitia.com/arrested/

    and mentioned in last week’s issue of this newsletter:

    This is linked to previous reports that the Monarchy is ‘owned’ by Rome and this is also presumably behind the current thinking that the Queen will be deposed because of the paedophile scandal which will hit the Vatican. First point about the handshake…the nearest likeness is the Lion’s Paw of the Master Mason. It is however very questionable whether HMQ is a Freemason and therefore whether the handshake can be interpreted as being Masonic. The most senior Freemason in England is Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, who is first cousin to the Queen and Grand Master of Freemasons in England and Wales. If HMQ were a Mason she would be lower in rank than the Prince, leave alone the Pope.

    Officially the Pope is not a Freemason either, as Masonry is prohibited by the Catholic Church, as is paedophilia. However Zagami says there are four Lodges inside the Vatican which are run by the administration for Satanic rituals below ground. Where, incidentally the CIA says that the remains of Jesus are buried, unascended.

    A member of the P2 Freemason Lodge said only that the Queen used to be subordinate to the Pope in matters of doctrine “long ago.” This same source, a member of the Italian nobility, said the Pope announced his resignation because he was threatened with the murder of millions of Catholics, probably in Beirut, if he did not resign.

    In any case last week there was a major, and under-reported, split between the UK and the cabal that controls the US and Europe. Essentially, the UK government announced that it was becoming the first major Western nation to directly trade its currency for Chinese Renminbi. This was followed by an announcement by the totally disgraced cabal “credit rating agency” Moody’s that Britain’s credit rating had been reduced. The British withdrawal from the US dollar/Euro group and move to direct forex dealing with China is a major blow to the cabal behind the Federal Reserve Board and the European central bank. Australia has also already switched to direct dealings with the Renminbi, joining such powers as Japan, Russia and India and much of the rest of the world.

    It is no coincidence this move comes a week before the new Chinese government formally takes over the reins of power in March.

    Asia, as well, was the center of lots of jockeying for position last week. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan in particular has been trying to show himself to be a macho man. When he went to Washington last weekend, he asked the Americans to allow him to stay in power for his full term (4 years) and promised he obey them in exchange, according to Japanese military intelligence. Abe also apologized for being “too close to China” last time he was Prime Minister.

    However, the Americans were having no part of any talk of allying with Japan against China since without Chinese money, the US would have become bankrupt a long time ago. The Japanese establishment, to hedge their bets, have also been making secret proposals to Russia to join them in a move to encircle China.

    The Japanese also pulled out an ace from their sleeve last week when the North Koreans, who are secret allies of Japan, told the Chinese they had nuclear missiles aimed at Beijing and Shanghai, Japanese military intelligence said.

    The Chinese, for their part, have agreed with the Taiwanese and with many Japanese factions that the solution to the territorial dispute over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands would be to make Okinawa an independent kingdom again like it was until the cabal took over Japan in the Meiji era. In such a scenario the Chinese and Japanese would split the costs of US bases there in exchange for them becoming a neutral police force.

    The Chinese war-mongering faction has now decided that if they need to start a war to strengthen internal Chinese unity that India would make a better target. The death of 100 million people would be “considered acceptable,” in such a war, according to a senior Chinese military source linked to an Asian secret society. This of course, is just a way of saying “do not under-estimate China.”

    The US military industrial complex, for its part, showed off its likely strategy for dealing with imminent bankruptcy: the use of armed force. In particular, the US has begun to build up a major base in the African country of Niger, the only likely strategic aim of which would be to seize the rich oil fields of next door Nigeria. This is the pentagon’s way of saying they will do what is necessary to make sure they can keep filling their gas tanks no matter what happens in the financial world.

    US Secretary of State John Kerry flew off to Europe and the Middle East last week to try to convince the Europeans, Russians and Sunni Muslims to unite behind dictator Obama.

    However, the United States, a nation that has been constantly at war for most of the past 70 years, will find it now considered to be a friendless rogue nation. The momentum is with the 180 nation BRICS alliance. They wish to improve the environment and living standards of the planet. Their motto is simple: “make love, not war.”

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    It's amazing how many people make reference to Fulford, how people can say his information isn't valid (because it doesn't fit their limited preconceived notions) when so many make reference to him, Now there is Heather Tucci-Jarraf an ex lawyer who turned in her bond / license to start the one people's public trust...

    http://oppt-in.com/

    In this interview she makes reference to Fulford in helping her succeed in one of her various projects... Once again a world wide giant conspiracy to make up an imaginary financial war over global trust holdings (righhhht.... ) or maybe we're just ignorant of all the facts... hmm... which could it be now?...

    A conversation with Heather Tucci-Jarraf, Trustee of The One People's Public Trust



    It's a little choppy at the beginning and continues but smooths out (either that or my hearing adjusted)

    Heather and her project is fascinating, I find it quite compelling, but my concern is that a lot of people are going to mix it with other unrelated junk... and most people have little or no understanding of UCC... but essentially what she is saying is fairly fundamental.

    Transcription here:
    http://oppt-in.com/conversation-with-heather-brian/
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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    Ben points out that Leo Zagami reports that the actual remains of Jesus are buried underneath the Vatican - and he adds - "unascended."

    What will Christians do now? Does this end their religion? Now that the public is aware that Jesus was, just like everyone, a mortal being?

    See why I wanted to change my name to justoneclown? Another clown in this planetary clown show?
    Slightly off topic but related as part of the bigger picture: - religion will literally fall apart when disclosure occurs (and probably one of the main reasons it hasn't happened yet). Plus latest allegations about the Pope & Catholic church. Also, it will completely expose the cabal/elite (already happening) who are scrambling, by all accounts, to hold onto their dwindling power over the masses. This is occurring at an accelerated rate as we speak (Sabrina's thread will confirm much of this).

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    I have started up some conversations as a test I guess with my parents who are fundamentalist Christians. We spoke of the reaction of Christians and if they would lose faith if Aliens did make open contact. I was surprised actually... the spoon fed disclosure may be serving a purpose after all. They basically said God is a creator and we have no place to put boundaries on his creating. They also stated that there could be other planets where Adam and Eve didn't "Bite the apple" so to speak and do not have original sin... therefore still have that one on one relationship with the creator. It shocked me actually... so... Christians may not scream "Sorcery" or "Demons" when it happens (Though many WILL of course, "Stupid is as stupid does").

    I know the Eastern Religions will not suffer, nor will my Native American side of the family's religion. There will be those that react badly and lose their religion... or go crazy and head for the hills saying its the Anti Christ... but over all (After the Aliens prove them selves benevolent and not conquistadores) all religions will accept them as brothers/sisters (If they come in that form) and may give us a further understanding of our reality and spirituality.

    But, I have been wrong before... boy have I been wrong before!

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    I have started up some conversations as a test I guess with my parents who are fundamentalist Christians. We spoke of the reaction of Christians and if they would lose faith if Aliens did make open contact. I was surprised actually... the spoon fed disclosure may be serving a purpose after all. They basically said God is a creator and we have no place to put boundaries on his creating. They also stated that there could be other planets where Adam and Eve didn't "Bite the apple" so to speak and do not have original sin... therefore still have that one on one relationship with the creator. It shocked me actually... so... Christians may not scream "Sorcery" or "Demons" when it happens (Though many WILL of course, "Stupid is as stupid does").

    I know the Eastern Religions will not suffer, nor will my Native American side of the family's religion. There will be those that react badly and lose their religion... or go crazy and head for the hills saying its the Anti Christ... but over all (After the Aliens prove them selves benevolent and not conquistadores) all religions will accept them as brothers/sisters (If they come in that form) and may give us a further understanding of our reality and spirituality.

    But, I have been wrong before... boy have I been wrong before!
    Well, I love this post and I am putting my energies behind the "you are not wrong" possibility.

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    I have started up some conversations as a test I guess with my parents who are fundamentalist Christians. We spoke of the reaction of Christians and if they would lose faith if Aliens did make open contact. I was surprised actually... the spoon fed disclosure may be serving a purpose after all. They basically said God is a creator and we have no place to put boundaries on his creating. They also stated that there could be other planets where Adam and Eve didn't "Bite the apple" so to speak and do not have original sin... therefore still have that one on one relationship with the creator. It shocked me actually... so... Christians may not scream "Sorcery" or "Demons" when it happens (Though many WILL of course, "Stupid is as stupid does").

    I know the Eastern Religions will not suffer, nor will my Native American side of the family's religion. There will be those that react badly and lose their religion... or go crazy and head for the hills saying its the Anti Christ... but over all (After the Aliens prove them selves benevolent and not conquistadores) all religions will accept them as brothers/sisters (If they come in that form) and may give us a further understanding of our reality and spirituality...
    In the past I used to think there were no other societies out there, except for humanity here. Now I feel pretty dumb for thinking that. I guess it's also part of the human eccentricity to feel that we are the "crown" of creation. (The beauty of that crown could be debated.) But why would there be so much empty space? Fortunately I see things differently now.

    What I wonder is, how do we determine if Aliens really are benevolent? They may seem that way but could hide their true intentions. We humans can easily be duped by other beings when they show off their great advancement.

    Regarding Ben Fulford, I stopped reading his updates months ago, it always seems to be "this is happening right now, but it'll take some more time, it's all in the works..." but we can't really see anything happen. That's made me skeptical.

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    They basically said God is a creator and we have no place to put boundaries on his creating. They also stated that there could be other planets where Adam and Eve didn't "Bite the apple" so to speak and do not have original sin... therefore still have that one on one relationship with the creator. It shocked me actually... so... Christians may not scream "Sorcery" or "Demons" when it happens (Though many WILL of course, "Stupid is as stupid does").
    The problem with Christianity is that it is based on an ancient book that is allegedly breathed from the lungs of God... it doesn't matter to them that Biblegod is a jealous tyrant who commands child sacrifice, rape, murder, pillaging, slavery, and a host of other atrocities. He personally murdered 20 million by drowning because they weren't paying enough attention to him. He took all his blocks and went home. But most importantly, the Bible states in no uncertain terms that the Earth was created first and then the rest of the Universe was put there to serve the earth and for no other reason. It also states in more than one hundred places that the Earth is the only object in the Universe that is standing still and everything else revolves around it every 24 hours. Nowhere in the book is there even a HINT of a heliocentric solar system. In fact the sun is demonized by the Bible and YHWH is extremely jealous of it and insecure about "worshiping" it. I wonder why.

    I'm sorry, but anyone who calls themselves a Christian cannot reconcile human life outside this planet with the dogma of Christianity. It is impossible. ALL religion will disintegrate upon the appearance of ET's. Most likely they will point out the esoteric meaning of all religions and their common source so that everyone can be enlightened to their potential. The Orthodox view will become a trivia joke.
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    Yipes, dunno how the Thread made it over to Christian bashing. I am not down with poo poo'ing anyone's beliefs. I was making a point that open contact would not be as disruptive as some think.
    We have to lead by example, we need to tolerate those we "believe" do not tolerate our beliefs or risk falling victim to hubris and all of its pit falls... much like the discussion on the thread by humanalien https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...o-Paul-or-Bill

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    Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
    They basically said God is a creator and we have no place to put boundaries on his creating. They also stated that there could be other planets where Adam and Eve didn't "Bite the apple" so to speak and do not have original sin... therefore still have that one on one relationship with the creator. It shocked me actually... so... Christians may not scream "Sorcery" or "Demons" when it happens (Though many WILL of course, "Stupid is as stupid does").
    The problem with Christianity is that it is based on an ancient book that is allegedly breathed from the lungs of God... it doesn't matter to them that Biblegod is a jealous tyrant who commands child sacrifice, rape, murder, pillaging, slavery, and a host of other atrocities. He personally murdered 20 million by drowning because they weren't paying enough attention to him. He took all his blocks and went home. But most importantly, the Bible states in no uncertain terms that the Earth was created first and then the rest of the Universe was put there to serve the earth and for no other reason. It also states in more than one hundred places that the Earth is the only object in the Universe that is standing still and everything else revolves around it every 24 hours. Nowhere in the book is there even a HINT of a heliocentric solar system. In fact the sun is demonized by the Bible and YHWH is extremely jealous of it and insecure about "worshiping" it. I wonder why.

    I'm sorry, but anyone who calls themselves a Christian cannot reconcile human life outside this planet with the dogma of Christianity. It is impossible. ALL religion will disintegrate upon the appearance of ET's. Most likely they will point out the esoteric meaning of all religions and their common source so that everyone can be enlightened to their potential. The Orthodox view will become a trivia joke.

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    As a Christian, who believes in life on other planets, I wish that non-Christians wouldn't be so eager to point out what Christians do and don't believe.

    Not all Christians take the Bible literally or are 'scripture only' believers. There's a lot of division between Christians and not every Christian looks at the Bible as a science textbook. (I just don't buy that the world was created in six literal 24 hour periods and a lot of Christians (conservative/liberal) would agree with me!)

    I'm okay w/Christian-bashers because people are allowed to have their own opinions on the matter. Free speech and all that..... Also, that's just what you run into in the alt. community. I get that and completely expect it more often than not. I'm usually more surprised if someone IS a Christian.

    However, it would be wonderful if Christian-bashers knew more of what they were talking about, instead of just assuming.

    My background is Baptist, non-denominational, Catholic. I also looked into Judaism for awhile. After all, it is the mother faith.

    Orthodox Christianity/Roman Catholicism is a lot different Protestant Christianity (which is where you start getting into 'scripture alone' type thing).

    I've found from experience that the people who worship in the pews in the Catholic church are a lot different than the corrupt leadership in Rome.

    Even the Pope and Papal scientists acknowledge that they'd be open to 'sharing the faith' with ETs, if (when) life on other planets is found. So, I'm not sure there would be the "freak out" that people expect to happen, except in the extremely conservative protestant world - which is really a small group when looking at the whole Christian world.

    Forgive me for being passive-aggressive about the whole thing, but I'm really just sick of having to defend what people think is Christianity and what actually is Christianity.

    Most Christians can't even agree on what the 'right' Christian perspective should be half the time. A lot of Christians don't subscribe to a legalistic, conservative view of faith.

    Honestly, I just find it odd (and I'm really kind of surprised) that people here would think that Christians wouldn't accept the idea of life on other planets. Especially since a lot of Christians are just as curious about the world around them as non-Christians.

    I have to wonder why people aren't so worried about the Muslims or the Jews finding out that their religions are bogus too (if all religion is bogus). Look at all the wars between Shias/Sunnis over which sect has the more direct link to Mohammed. I know I wouldn't want to be in the Middle East when people are told that their 'religion' is crap. That won't be pretty. Christianity is far from being the dominant religion, in a lot of areas of the world.

    I have a hard time buying the idea that religion would just disappear from our planet because, ultimately, a lot of techniques that people use to connect to God/the Divine are universal. Fasting, Praying, Meditating. Also, I just can't think of any society on our planet that hasn't had some sort of religion attached to it. And, even if you don't agree with 'religion', the basic ideas of not killing your neighbor and stealing their stuff are ideas that (hopefully) my non-religious friends would be able to live with.

    I think that so many people get stuck on the 'crazy Christians' that they neglect to acknowledge the implications that disclosure would have on people in other religious traditions. So, does this mean for religions like Wicca are going to disappear too? What about Hinduism or Buddhism or Shintoism?

    A lot of ministers/rabbis/imams/spiritual leaders are going to be out of a job. How are they going to be integrated into society? Will they be lynched? Put in jail? I don't know, but there are more than spiritual implications, if religion 'disappears'.

    I'd be a bit more worried about the people who don't have religion and aren't pulgged into the alt community who are going to be shocked to their core when they realize that the universe really is bigger that them, their ego, and their stuff!

    We can't forget the 'ancient astronaut theory' where the idea is that the Bible is just part of disclosure because it gives stories like Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit and Mary. And people ascending into heaven, angels coming to visit people on Earth, etc..... I don't know, but it's an interesting idea.

    In the end, most Christians wouldn't like the non-Christian version of Christianity either.

    I'm okay with the fact that people disagree with my faith and how I choose to practice it. I really just wanted to lend some insight because I am a Christian. I believe in ET's. I think it's arrogant for people who aren't Christian to assume what Christians would or wouldn't believe or do when our ET neighbors are disclosed. If you are going to consider the topic, then at least be "equal opportunity" about it and realize that our Muslim/Jewish/Wiccan/Pagan neighbors are going to be struggling with this new reality too.

    I'm okay with the question being raised, but we shouldn't be so limited in our thinking, if we are truly going to examine how disclosure is going to impact the world.

    Christianity isn't the only religion on Earth and Christians aren't the only ones who have been lied to (if you accept the premise that Christianity/religion (in general) is crap).

    Jo

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    "...We really did have a group of people in the West who were planning on killing 5 billion people. The evidence was there and the people of the planet rose up in rebellion and disgust and now these people are being removed from power one block at a time, and were almost there... we still have a horrific regime in the United States that we have to do something about but that's going to have to something about but you know, that's going to happen..." - Benjamin Fulford Alt mediatv interview...



    What I can't figure out... does this guy know how his voice is echoing like he is locked in a water barrel drum? or is doing it on purpose, because it is really unprofessional, despite the cool shades...
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    Some juicy live insights ... here is the full interview...

    http://www.altmedia.tv/video?id=81
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    Interesting interview. Relevant info about Winston's involvement with the Global Lien processes placed on the banks, as mentioned in David Wilcock's Financial Tyranny series of articles on DivineCosmos.com Although this seems to big a topic for most people to grasp, and thus appreciate. This might help. It also put the OPPT into perspective. It is interesting Linda tries to 'poo poo' Benjamin's process, and Winston very diplomatically simply turns the conversation away from "Benjamin" (which sounded very respectful and thoughtful how he mentioned his name I thought) and said "let's not get into these really deep issues" (paraphrasing)

    Excellent OPPT perspective, great overview of trust interpretation, the strategy of how and why real liens were placed on the Global Banking industry. i.e. What he was providing "input" to Keenan on...


    Winston Shrout on Linda Joslin's Universal Awareness - OPPT Commentary



    This interview with Winston is very telling, I have been 'waiting' for him to say something. It was kind of predictable given how much focus he put on UCC when he filled out his State level UCC1 Financing Statement in 2001. There was a lot of controversy I remember, because for whatever reason people (in denial) didn't want to hear that there was a huge difference between what Winston did and what everyone (98%) was doing... Which is filing a National UCC1 Financing statement. In a nutshell one is a recording of a lien and creates liability (State) and the other is simply a notice in the public. Carries no legal ramifications in and of itself. So if you don't hear people specifically saying "State UCC1 Financing Statement" or "National UCC1 Financing Statement" Then they already have shown they don't understand the differentiation (and who knows what else...) I just gave up discussing it essentially.

    And sure enough here it is becoming a controversy again (I swear my life is just one big 'deja vous' after another...) Anyhow I even picked up something ol' Winston didn't quite 'articulate' I still think he is too cryptic sometimes, but it does seem he is now being a little more detailed and explanatory about stuff he is talking about... (knock on wood) Anyhow, I just picked up myself this emphasis that Winston is focusing on not only between a State and National form, but that one represents a "recording" (State) and the other is a "filing" (National)

    This makes sense, the UCC1 State form is recorded in person, in the Lien Dept of a County Recorder's Office and on it Winston placed his 'signature' as secured party creditor and then his 'STRAWMAN NAME' as the debtor, ie. the BC name like DOE, JOHN... The National form is done electronically, therefore no signatures, and probably no interpretation as such, and it is considered a filing. According to Winston, judgement is based on "recordation" So this is pretty straight forward. In fact I also remember him saying they changed the whole process, essentially hiding away the State form and putting the National form in 'front of everyone' ( i.e. misleading the herd) around 2003. It seemed obvious to me that this was done precisely because of Winston and the people who were trying to create these liens in the first place.

    What they didn't get too heavily into was Heather's process or logic, except for only a few parts. Winston did point out to one caller, that Heather herself calls them "Courtesy Notices". I still don't know the entire process, where she mentioned she "did all the necessary work" I just don't know what that is. And now in retrospect, I didn't quite feel like I got any substantial explanation in the way of detail on what she did exactly. Instead there was this "lawyer thing" (I have seen many times) where I heard 'something to the effect of' "it would being too complicated a process for us to understand?... " (try me at least!...) Thus, although I was initially excited, and impressed that it was a "lawyer" (although people put way, way, way too much emphasis on credentials like this (if anything be suspicious!, although she did say she turned in her bar number, etc) But it could also mean it may be out of reach for ordinary folks as well.

    Her description of one of her court experiences is clearly not something average folks could do, the courts will try and eat you alive, essentialy violate their own rules by skirting certain issues and "bluff" you and try to jail you just to "mess" you up... The idea of you losing your job, or savings or getting a criminal record... THEY DON'T CARE... and even encourage it, because they can "mess" you up even more next time... It just makes more sense if you realize you are dealing with a sophisticated organzied crime network run by a secret society and they are dripping with the money they are looting from the people, doing it right in front of our noses, and in the majority of cases with our blessing, you can understand their arrogance and condescension they must feel when dealing with us...) Anyway they operate according to an interpretation of bias toward people with criminal records (thus this whole 3 strikes routine in the US... is another joke in your face, but that is another story)

    In any event, this wasn't an outright attack on Heather, they did laud her efforts and I agreed with them, what she is doing is good because it brought back attention and awareness and discussion to the issue. But clearly warned us the same rules apply as always in these endeavours... DON'T jump on something you don't understand. I wish I was made aware at the beginning, how many flakes there are in this movement. How much ego, denial, politics, and misinformation which always comes along with many 'grass roots' movements because it is a wild west. There is no "institution" of standard processes or books, etc. and as a result have seen horrendous results, both experienced by myself and others. Winston and his website and body of work come closest to some kind of a standard approach. But he would be the first to admit he is just "a man" trying to share what he knows, nothing more...

    One name that seemed to have a high rate of success with mortgages in particular was Jerry Kane, and he got gunned down in a freak traffic pullover while driving as a 'freeman' without a license with his son out of State. His son may have jumped the gun or may not, they did carry weapons. It also looks like they were at the wrong place at the wrong time dealing with real criminal cops in that area. (again another story, but what a tragedy)

    Anyhow this interview is also an excellent outline by Winston on his overview of the trust interpretation aspect of things... and for this reason alone is WELL worth listening to...
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    Is a sign of things to come...
    - Obama not sending out Carriers due to budget constraints?
    Something to keep an eye on, will we see more similar moves in the future?

    Budget constraints!?

    Bob Woodward Tears Into Obama: 'Madness That I Haven't Seen In A Long Time'

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    Published on Feb 5, 2013

    The announcement last week that Queen "Bilderberg" Beatrix of the Netherlands was abdicating the throne is but a visible sign of some fundamental changes in the secret power structure of the West. In a yet to be publicly confirmed move, David and J. Rockefeller have fled to an Island near Fiji, according to a CIA source. The Bush family, for its part, tried to flee via an airport in Arkansas but were prevented from doing so by the FBI, the same source says.

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    Ben Fulford (March 5 2013) ~ Murder Attempt Against Queen Elizabeth II Foiled, Manhunt On For Former “Black Pope” Peter Hans Kolvenbach
    Posted on March 4, 2013 by Gillian
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    World news media have been widely reporting that Queen Elizabeth II has been hospitalized with “gastroenteritis” but MI5 sources are saying the Queen is not ill and that the story was put out so that she could cancel a trip to Rome where there was a real murder plot against her. The MI5 source says that Peter Hans Kolvenbach, the former “black pope,” or head of the Jesuits, who already got rid of the Pope, was plotting to get rid of the Queen during her Rome visit as a part of his plan to create a “one world religion.” Kolvenbach is now hiding in Lebanon where he has been helping orchestrate the ongoing Muslim brotherhood led “revolutions,” in the Middle East. He is expected to be captured and taken in for questioning soon.

    Kolvenbach has been previously record[ed] bragging on the phone that he was the mastermind behind the 311 nuclear and tsunami terror attack against Japan, according to CIA and MI5 sources. He has also been recorded threatening to poison Adolfo Nicolas, the current Superior General of the Society of Jesus, the same sources say. Nicolas and the Queen are both cooperating with Asian groups and the White Dragon Society to push for a massive campaign to end poverty and stop environmental destruction.

    In any case, if it turns out Queen Elizabeth II follows Queen Beatrix of Holland and the Pope out of office, then the next in line for removal will be US President Obama, according to the gnostic illuminati faction. The gnostic illuminati claim to have started the French, American and Russian revolutions and are now pushing to free Europe and the US from cabalist bloodline rule, according to one of their “grand-masters.” According to the original, and now unraveling, plot to create a “New World Order,” Barak Obama was supposed to be the leader of a world government that would oversee the merging of Islam and Christianity into a one world religion.

    However, instead of presiding over the birth of a fascist world government, Obama has been presiding over the bankruptcy of the United States of America.

    The cabalists in control of the Washington D.C. corporate government, however, are still trying to cling stubbornly to the old plot. US Secretary of State John Kerry, who is part of the Vatican led homosexual Skull and Bones secret society, visited the Middle East last week in a fruitless attempt to get the New World Order agenda back on track.

    However, a global financial and economic boycott against the D.C. cabal has meant the US cannot even afford to keep much of its fleet of aircraft carriers afloat which is why the pentagon announced, while Kerry was in the Middle East, that one of the two aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf would be removed due to budget cuts.

    In any case, only the most truly brainwashed idiots can still believe the cabalist claims, ones they have been making constantly for over 20 years (since 1992) that “Iran was months away from making a nuclear bomb and so we need to start World War 3.”

    A senior member of the Vatican P2 fascist freemason lodge warned the P2 was “joining with the cabalists” in a battle to maintain the status quo adding that they are “desperate and so ready to use every option.”

    Given their past penchant for carrying out genocide and mass murder to achieve political objectives (eg Hitler, Stalin, 911, 311) they may be plotting to blow up Rome in an attempt to blame it on, and thus discredit, peace loving anti-terrorist groups like the White Dragon Society.

    The cabalists have also been using an agent by the name of Adnan Sacly to claim inheritance rights to historical Asian treasure that was used to found the cabal front known as the BIS. Sacly falsely claims to have inherited these rights from Madame Chiang Kai Shek who was an heiress to the fabulous Sung dynasty treasure, according to the CIA.

    In any case, the cabalists are facing the very real threat of revolution in Europe. The Italian election has resulted in a hung parliament with the 20-40 age group internet generation voting en masse for the anti-establishment 5 Star movement. This party is calling for a debt renegotiation and a return to the Lire. If there is a re-election, they are expected to win and the result would be the end of the Euro and a subsequent collapse of the German financial system (since they are Italy’s biggest creditor).

    In the UK as well, the anti-EU Independence Party won a bi-election only to have it stolen by means of a “huge postal vote,” according to and MI5 official. It is now expected that the UK will head into a general election in May that will result in an anti-EU coalition taking power, the official says.

    Signs like these, together with the horrific economic data emerging in the West, make it clear both the EU and the US are visibly falling into bankruptcy. Reality is something that no amount of cabal propaganda can cover up forever, it has a way of catching up and prevailing.

    In Asia, meanwhile, the new Chinese regime formally took the reins of power this week and is eager to show its mettle. What they must first prove is whether they are mice or men. If they are mice, they will be manipulated by the cabal into a war with Japan that will hurt both China and Japan as well as destroy Asian unity. If they are men, they will completely revamp the world architecture of power away from an inbred European elite and into the hands of the people of the world. In specific, that means totally overhauling the UN (they can start by moving its headquarters to Asia), the BIS, the World Bank, the IMF, NATO etc.

    The Asian Secret Societies made a sacred promise that if Asia was once again placed at the center of world power, they would end poverty and stop environmental destruction. The heavy pollution choking China and the accelerating destruction of the global ecology mean they are not keeping their sacred promise to the creator. If they fail to keep this promise, the mandate of heaven will be taken away.

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