Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Shin'Ar]

Posted by Jenci (here)

Very true. There's nothing wrong with the human experience. The irony is that some people believe that life is about becoming enlightened and realizing what you truly are, that beyond the individual illusion. In fact it is the human experience that we are here for - as an incarnation as a human individual to have a sensory experience.

It just for some individuals the experience has been had, maybe after many lifetimes and it is time to make the journey home and to realize/remember what you truly are. When this calling begins nothing can stop it but it is very different to the average human experience, so can make interacting with that difficult....well certainly in the process of realizing it.

Ah yes Jeanette, you are right in tune with what was being discussed in this thread, https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post628135

This human experience should be considered as sacred and fulfilling as nay other experience or stage of development in the evolution of the One Consciousness via the many experiences of its fragments. Some believe that what 'we' realize as our fields of consciousness, once experienced a 'state of being' which was much more inert and unconscious, no- less conscious, , such as animals, rocks, plants, etc. The human form is just another state of being in which our fields evolve through those experiences. How could any one aspect of such a Divine Design or process be considered any less or better than nay other, when each serves the grand purpose of evolving into higher consciousness and state of being? Is not each stepping stone along the pathway that allows us a crossing over the river, as important and vital as another?

It is precisely as you point out, that even though there is a difference of awareness along that pathway, ...(which creates many alterations of the frequencies encountered on that journey, both compatible, as well as incompatible, with our own),... all are on paths within the Divine Process of Being. All is One Experience/Vibration, subjected to many distortions and adjusting frequencies, which this 'we' that we adopt as our identities, experience as our 'lives'. Regardless of the individual and unique state of awareness each may have of that Process of Being, those adapting and evolving realizations fuel that fire of creation and infinitely continuing Mystery. Just as one must enter through a doorway to go into a room, that door of 'coming into awareness' must be proceeded through in order to enter into that room of 'higher awareness'.

This human experience is one such doorway, and the countless lessons and training that it offers, both to The All and to the Fragment, cannot be considered inconsequential or something from which we must escape or consider worthless. However. as you also noted, the training ground is but one of many, and has its purpose. That which The Ancients refer to as 'the cycle of darkness', is not the human experience, but the addiction to it in such great entrapment that the evolving field cannot grow further and becomes caught in a reincarnate repetition of that which was supposed to be experienced in a growing and evolving manner, but is now being experienced as the sole and only state of being worthy of one's awareness. The cycle of darkness of which the Ancients warn, and which many as you noted, misrepresent and confuse, is not the experiencing of the human life, but rather the thinking that this human experience is the highest state of being they choose to attain.

No different than the state of being experienced by any other addict to any other addiction. This is all that they want or desire and what else might be available to them does not attract them from their addiction.

Posted by Jenci (here)
Well really the seeking of harmony is just another form of seeking. Whether the seeking be for a better relationship, better car, better job, better lifestyle, better world, better evolution of humanity as a whole, the seeking is still coming from the same thing.

Something which has a problem with "What Is"

Yes, I refer to this as the Sacred Fire that dances within the form of every creation. It is what fuels creation, and causes the desire to seek understanding and higher awareness, rooted deep into our fields of consciousness. By Divine Intelligent Design, that Fire chases after an Infinite Mystery which cannot be caught.

Posted by Jenci (here)
This is division, conflict, separation from the Source. In other words it is a belief that something is incomplete, rather than whole. Whereas the Truth is whole and seeks nothing.

If the desire is for full realisation of the Truth, then ideas of these, however well intentioned and logical they seem to the mind, need to be discarded, just like ideas for a better material lifestyle need to be put aside.

This doesn't happen straight away. It's a process...(Process of Being). My own thoughts added in Bold.



Jeanette

Yes, it is this very chase for Mystery which creates the cosmos in its path. A hunt which shall have no capture, no end, no fulfilled future, because by design it is infinite. Truth is like time; it is relevant only to that which confirms it.

In the Whole, The All, everything exists as designed. Infinitely Mysterious. From the fragmented perspective of individual subjection, fueled into instinctive quest, it seems always at our fingertips, yet never fully acquired.

I do hope that I am not coming across as preaching here. I am simply stating that which I have come to understand in the hopes of hearing what others may have to offer.

It is the sharing which I hold sacred, and the very essence of Divine Process. What is taken, and what is offered, is completely at the mercy of the 'state of being' of the fields which are interacting.

[Beren]

A good quote I found:

"The ego goes for glitter but heart goes for gold"

[greybeard]

Hi Shin'Ar
Sorry im not in a place to respond to your excellent post not that it needs it.
My/our friend Jenci has left the shores of Avalon for some quiet time.
Keep posting here though--- your input is appreciated and valuable.

Regards Chris

[Shin'Ar]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Shin'Ar
Sorry im not in a place to respond to your excellent post not that it needs it.
My/our friend Jenci has left the shores of Avalon for some quiet time.
Keep posting here though--- your input is appreciated and valuable.

Regards Chris

Thank you Chris,

I will search around through the forum to see if there are any other discussions that I might benefit from.

Will see you out there I'm sure.

[greybeard]

Near Death Experience.
Andrew Petro author of Remembering the Light.
Very positive and interesting.
Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EUp7MLYrAag

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EUp7MLYrAag

[greybeard]

Dannion Brinkley NDE Angels. the Crystal Cities

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jtt5ji7b9ig

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Dannion Brinkley NDE Angels. the Crystal Cities

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jtt5ji7b9ig

Great interview Chris. Dannon has some great insights. I Resonate well with him, no doubt. Asquali

[greybeard]

NDE Revelations
Mellen-Thomas Benedict shared details of his incredible Near Death Experience (NDE) that took place in 1982, while he was in hospice care for a terminal illness. He was without vital signs for at least an hour and a half before he returned to his body.

Here are some of highlights of what he learned while on the "Other Side:" The Other Side is not all it's cracked up to be-- being in a human body is actually a more optimal way to experience the universe. Black holes at the center of galaxies function as great processors of universal matter-- a total recycling machine. No evil exists in the human soul, and a person is purified of any evil or darkness before they are reincarnated. Reincarnation occurs automatically, driven by the body which is more powerful and millions of years older than the mind. The Other Side is totally individualized and each person experiences it uniquely. Earth has expended 90% of its life force, the sun is getting old, and we're beginning to lose the moon. Also the liquid metal core of the Earth is cooling and water will evaporate within the next 2,000 years. It's humanity's manifest destiny to leave Earth and colonize other planets. Within the next 400 years such "star seeding" will begin.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X8FBdLFUQc0

[greybeard]

This is a very positive look at now and the future.
Mellen is in daily contact with Source which has been proven to give correct answers to all kinds of questions.
One of the most positive interviews I have listened to

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F_r3fVV8F1U

[greybeard]

Dannion A message of love
Published on 1 Jan 2013

Dannion Brinkley's presentation from Barbara Marx Hubbard's Birth 2012 and Beyond at the Agape International Spiritual Center.

Get more Dannion Brinkley predictions and messages of love and peace at: http://dannion.com



Chris (If you cant love others be kind to all--that is very transforming in your life)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TnXUfZv9HZ8

[greybeard]

Dear Chris,

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The video’s narrators, GCI Steering Committee members Howard Martin and Drs. Rollin McCraty and Deborah Rozman, describe its purpose and give a simple explanation of the science behind it.

Watch the Together in the Heart video (5 minutes, 28 seconds).

The pioneering technology of the Global Coherence Monitoring System is continuing to collect important data from the electromagnetic fields of Earth, the ionosphere and other environments. GCI scientists are expanding the system to more locations around the world.

All of us, as individual members of the GCI community, can share this uplifting video message and possibilities of the initiative with others.

Enjoy the video!
GCI Steering Committee and Staff





http://www.glcoherence.org/templates...mail=156261627

[AwakeInADream]

This is a rather interesting short and concise document about consciousness, plenty of avenues to explore:

[greybeard]

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Moksha: What the Vedas Say About Liberation





Stripped down to its basics, Moksha is universally defined as that unchanging state in which there is no trace of grief. However, there are different opinions regarding its nature:



1). Those who do not believe in the Vedas (Nastikas) say that death itself is Moksha because there is no rebirth.



2). For the layperson living happily here itself is Moksha.



3). Some believers in the Vedas (Astikas) consider living in Vaikuntha (divine abode) as Moksha. However, even the two gatekeepers of Vaikuntha, namely Jai and Vijay had to leave it due to a curse (Shrimad Bhagavatam 3.16). This shows that the Sukha there is also not unchanging.



4). Even the happiness gained in heaven (Swarga) is transient, as the examples of king Yayati and Nahusha in the Mahabharata show. Therefore, attainment of heavens too is not Moksha.



5). The mere association with God too cannot be Moksha, because Arjuna who had it could not avoid grief in the battlefield.



None of the above visions of Moksha conforms totally with the scriptures, which tell us that Moksha is a state of eternal and unsurpassed Ananda, and that it is our basic nature, our true self. Our error lies in thinking our mind-body complex as our ‘true self’. He who has understood his true nature realizes that he has no connection with the body. Such a person is called by the scriptures as A-Shariri, ‘one without a body.’ ‘Shariri’ in Sanskrit means one with a body, and the ‘A’ preceding it negates it. The chief characteristic of such a person is that he remains untouched by both pleasant and unpleasant things.



Doubt: A self-realized person appears no different from any other normal, worldly person. So what exactly is meant by ‘without a body’?



Answer: Ashariri here explicitly means the realization that one has no connection with one’s body. Any connection supposed is due to Avidya, our ignorance. What this means if that if money is stolen from the person who feels a connection to his body (Sa-Shariri), he feels grief. The A-Shariri in such a situation will not feel any grief. A person with a body will feel pride in wearing beautiful earrings, the bodiless one will not. This is the meaning of the liberated person being called ‘bodiless’ in the Vedas. Therefore, even though the liberated one appears like a ‘samsari’or worldly person from the outside, he is not really a Samsari (Shri Shankaracharya’s commentary on the Brahma Sutras 1.1.4).


Wholeness is Immortality; Multiplicity is Death



Another name for Moksha is ‘Bhuma,’ meaning a wholeness which encompasses all. Grief or fear is possible only in duality. When there is nothing other than me why should I be afraid? (Br.U 1.4.2). Where one sees another, hears another, knows another, that is smallness; where nothing other is seen, nothing other is heard, nothing other is known, that is Bhuma. Bhuma is ‘Amrita’, while smallness is death (Chandogya Upanishad 7.24.1). There is nothing here with multiplicity; he who sees multiplicity, wanders from death to death (Br.U 4.4.19). Many such mantras from the scriptures clearly assert that non-duality means immortality and freedom from fear. One who understands the Ananda of Brahman is not scared of anything (Taittriya Upanishad 2.9.1).


Moksha is Jnana



One who knows Brahman becomes Brahman (Mundaka Upanishad 3.2.9). Moksha is actually nothing but realizing what is actually one’s own true self. Therefore, there is nothing more to be done for Moksha other than knowing that one’s essential nature (Swaroopa) is Brahman. When we say that “He is singing standing”, there is no interval between his standing and singing. Similarly, there is no interval between Knowledge of one’s self (Jnana) and liberation (Moksha) as exemplified in the statement: “He became liberated knowing his Swaroopa” (Shri Shankaracharya’s commentary on the Brahma Sutras 1.1.4).


Listening, Logic and Experience: The Way to Moksha



Such knowledge (Brahma Jnana), results only from listening to (Shravana), thinking over (Manana) and then ruminating over (Nidhidhyasana) the Vedic statements.



Shravana means listening to the teachings of the Guru with Shraddha (faith). In a rare case of one having a very strong Samskara, merely hearing the teacher could itself lead to realization. However, normally, thinking over what has been heard is necessary. This goes on till one is satisfied with what one has heard. Thinking implies the use of logic; but this logic should be in accordance with the scriptures (Shruti). Of course, inference is not forbidden. However, we should never be tempted to use pervert logic. When such an aspirant has a doubt regarding the scriptures, he should not find fault in the latter, but instead should conclude that his own previous wrong knowledge is impeding the correct understanding and so he has to correct himself. The Shraddha of the aspirant should be total in the Shruti.



At the end of this process of thinking, when doubts no longer arise, it means that the lesson has been intellectually understood. The identity of the individual soul with the Supreme Soul understood in this way till now is only an intellectual understanding. To bring this intellectual understanding into experience we need to do Nidhidhyasana, i.e. ruminate over the conclusion with firm conviction. In other words, applying oneself to what one has heard one should go on retaining the knowledge that ‘Brahman is oneself’. In due course the identity of the individual soul with the Supreme Soul (Brahman) will come to one’s experience. When this happens it can be said that one has Atma-Jnana, i.e. realized oneself as Brahman. Summing up, it implies that birth of Jnana needs listening, logic and experience.



Is Jnana a Result of Karma?



There is a great difference between Karma and Jnana. The knowledge of Brahman-atman identity cannot be got directly from Karma. Moksha is not like heaven obtained as a result of Karma. The difference between Karma and Jnana can be understood as follows:



Karma can produce fruit in any of the following four ways:



1). Produce (Utpadya), like producing a pot.



2). Through Modification (Vikarya), like milk to curd.



3). Obtaining the fruit by going somewhere (Aapya).



4). Through Rectification (Samkaraya): by adding a quality or removing a fault.



There is no other way to generate the fruit of a Karma, other than these four. Moksha however is not like any of these because:



1). Moksha is not produced because it is eternal.



2). Moksha is not got by modifying something because it is unchanging.



3). It is not reachable because it is omnipresent.



4). Moksha is not rectifiable because nothing needs to be added to it since it is complete and nothing needs to be removed from it because it is faultless (Sutra 1.1.4; Br. Up 3.3.1).


The Jnana-Karma Collective



Some say that Moksha is possible only by clubbing Karma with Jnana. Their contention is that Moksha is not possible only with Jnana. This clubbing of the two is called the Jnana-Karma Samuchhaya , or the knowledge-action collective. However, this is not correct because Jnana and Karma can never be together. Karma is based on the multiplicity of the doer-the action-and the fruit of this action. This implies the acceptance of multiplicity, which is the state of Avidya (the ignorant state which perceives multiplicity in this world). On the other hand, Jnana is the state of Vidya where all multiplicity is refuted. Therefore, Moksha cannot be the result of clubbing together of Jnana and Karma.



This article is based almost entirely on the teachings of Param Pujya Swami Paramanand Bharati Ji. However, any errors are entirely the author's own.



References & Further Reading:

Bharati, Swami Paramananda. Vedanta Prabodh:. Varanasi, 2010.
Gupta Som Raj. Upanisads with the Commentary of Sankaracarya, Five Volumes. Delhi

[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle and Dr David Hawkins are the main influence for many of the posts in this long thread particularly in the early pages.

The idea of transcending the ego came from books by Dr Hawkins.

There is a mass of information and videos on spirituality and science within the thread--all as relevant today as when they were posted.
Many contributed and I hope that continues though I miss Jenci and her invigorating posts.

Chris

[greybeard]

Bruce Lipton: The Frequency That is "You"

Bestselling author and renowned cell-biologist, Bruce Lipton, joins Barnet Bain and Freeman Michaels for a remarkable conversation about New Science and expanding perception about who we are and how the world works.

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iI4WoeP8d_4

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iI4WoeP8d_4

[greybeard]

Letting Go: The Pathway of Surrender

“Love is a way of being. It is the energy that radiates when the blocks to it have been surrendered. It is more than an emotion or a thought—it is a state of being. Love is what we have become through the pathway of surrender.”

~Letting Go p. 172.

This is a quote from the last book from the late Dr David Hawkins.

I have it and its a great way to release all kinds of negative feelings and emotions.

Chris

[greybeard]

Scott Kiloby - 'The End Of The Spiritual Search' - Interview by Iain McNay Conscious TV

Scott is author of "Love's Quiet Revolution" and "Reflections Of The One Life". He is also a lawyer and a musician. In this interview he talks about his drug addiction of 20 years and how through a series of 'spiritual openings' he found he was what he had been seeking.

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SU0KkuLZstE

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SU0KkuLZstE

[greybeard]

This is the first time that I have posted a film but it is very interesting.

Dannion Brinkley

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=77lc0yasjYc

[Zampano]

hello chris and friends
I figured out myself right now, that there is no search for the truth. It always was here, never went, never changed.
I wasnt aware of the truth. As simple as that.
Truth is surrounding myself in every single moment.
Truth is honesty and love.
Truth is the honesty for yourself and love is the conclusion.

Love is the glue, that holds us together. And gratitude for everything we can experience

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gXDMoiEkyuQ

[greybeard]

"hello chris and friends
I figured out myself right now, that there is no search for the truth. It always was here, never went, never changed.
I wasnt aware of the truth. As simple as that.
Truth is surrounding myself in every single moment.
Truth is honesty and love.
Truth is the honesty for yourself and love is the conclusion.

Love is the glue, that holds us together. And gratitude for everything we can experience"



Well said Zampano.
Two things you cant escape--- this moment--the eternal Now and your True Self.
The Truth is always present as you so eloquently said Zampano.
The longest distance is head to heart.
Love takes you there

Chris