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    Since there has been a bit of talk at Avalon in relation to EMP's I thought I'd pop up a quick documentary called: 'Nukes in Space - The Rainbow Bombs'.

    It traces the US and Soviet experimentation on exploding nuclear weapons in and around the upper atmosphere up to the 1960's. There are some amazing images of the detonations and the created aurora's are spectacular.


    If you've got little time the highlights are:
    • 18 min - Van Allen belt and its effect on EMP's.
    • 19 min - 24mn -- Operation Argus: high altitude detonation of a nuclear device and its effect on radio communications and power grids.
    • 34 min - Operation Fishbowl series of tests - Following high altitude detonation Telstar 1 and a number of other satellites disabled. Starfish: EMP effects on Hawaii and satellites.
    • 41 min - Bluegill.
    • 44 min - 47 min - Spectacular video of Bluegill detonation.
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    Here's a warning about EMP's knocking out the electrical grid.
    Mentions William Forstchen's One Second After.
    Gingrich describes an EMP as a 'catastrophic event waiting to happen' and that 'one weapon going off over Omaha would eliminate most of the electrical production of the United States.'

    He also mentions the EMP Commission whose reports are available on their website.

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    Wonder what will happen to your car in the event of an EMP:

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    EMP effects from a high altitude nuclear detonation as explained by Dr. William Graham (Chairman of the US Congressional EMP Threat Commission) for 33 Minutes.

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    Presentation by Dr. Peter Vincent Pry on the dangers posed by an EMP.
    This is an introduction to Congressman Roscoe Bartlett's short speech on the topic.



    In another interview Dr. Pry said:

    Quote An EMP can be generated by a nuclear weapon, any nuclear weapon, detonated above the atmosphere. Or an EMP can be generated naturally, by the Sun sending a solar flare or coronal mass ejection that causes a geomagnetic storm on Earth. In either case, whether the EMP is generated by a nuclear weapon or the Sun, the effects are very similar. An EMP is like a super-energetic radio wave, harmless to people in its direct effects, but lethal to electronics and electronic systems–and everything, including human life, is directly or indirectly dependent upon electronics. The EMP by destroying electronics can collapse everywhere, nationwide, all the critical infrastructures–electric power, communications, transportation, banking and finance, food and water–that sustain modern civilization and the lives of 300 million Americans.
    ...
    EMP is in the category of a very small number of threats that can literally end civilization as we know it. The Congressional EMP Commission estimated that, given our nation’s current state of unpreparedness, within one year of a nuclear or natural EMP catastrophe, about two-thirds of the population, 200 million Americans, could perish from starvation, disease, and societal collapse. Other credible estimates indicate the loss of life could be even higher, on the order of 90 percent, because it may be optimistic to assume, as the EMP Commission did, that America’s largely urbanized population could learn the survival skills necessary to live without modern technology and the critical infrastructures. If the EMP is from a great geomagnetic storm, like the 1859 Carrington Event, the effects would not be limited to the United States but would be global. If another Carrinton Event happened today, it could collapse electric grids and critical infrastructures worldwide, putting at risk the lives of billions.
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    Unfortunately, these threats are not remote theoretical possibilities, but clear and present dangers. Iran is on the verge of developing, or may already have nuclear weapons. Iranian military writings openly describe making a nuclear EMP attack on the United States, to eliminate the U.S. as an actor on the world stage. Iran has practiced missile launches and high-altitude fusing to perform an EMP attack. Iran does not need a sophisticated ICBM to make an EMP attack, but could launch a short-range missile off a freighter near the U.S. coast–and has practiced doing a ship-launched EMP attack too. Iran has already twice successfully orbited satellites, and so already has an ICBM capability for delivering to the United States a small warhead, like a nuclear artillery shell.
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    This is the continuation of the above and is given by US Congressman Roscoe Bartlett.

    In it he states about EMP events:
    In relation to naturally occurring EMP's like the 1859 Carrington, the 1921 or 1989 events: 'It's not if it's when'
    At least 2/3 of the people in our country will die. (That's 200,000,000 people and is a conservative estimate some go as high as 90%).
    We don't make transformers. (So how do you fix the blown transformers? You don't...)


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    Dr. Chris Beck (President of the Electric Infrastructure Security (EIS) Council) giving a speech about the current (pardon the pun) state of work being done on grid hardening to reduce the impact of a major EMP or GMD.

    Dr. Beck related some of the finding and concerns raised at the recent International Electric Infrastructure Security Summit and states that the problems of implementation are not to do with finances or technical skills but rather opposition from various lobby groups (notably those from the energy sector).

    For video from this years 'International Electric Infrastructure Security Summit' please visit this page:
    http://eissummit.com/agenda.asp


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    EMP effects from a high altitude nuclear detonation as explained by Dr. William Graham (Chairman of the US Congressional EMP Threat Commission) for 33 Minutes.
    May I suggest that that particular Youtube video you posted, EMP - Segment from "33 Minutes", is a rather uninformative bit of sensationalism.

    I'm not saying that of this thread's topic; just of that particular video.
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    EMP effects from a high altitude nuclear detonation as explained by Dr. William Graham (Chairman of the US Congressional EMP Threat Commission) for 33 Minutes.
    May I suggest that that particular Youtube video you posted, EMP - Segment from "33 Minutes", is a rather uninformative bit of sensationalism.

    I'm not saying that of this thread's topic; just of that particular video.
    G'day Paul,

    There are a lot of very sensationalist claims made in regards to EMP and GMD on the web.
    I'm trying to be careful to not present the more extreme of these.
    While there are many factors that are of relevance to how wide an EMP's effect would be (height of detonation, size of bomb, where it occurred) I think this is a fairly standard mainstream interpretation of what the effects would be.
    Yes, some systems may not be affected and the scale could be more limited, but it is difficult to find accessible videos from the experts in this field.
    Dr. William Graham is one of those experts.

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    Presentation slides from the London 2010 Electric Infrastructure Security Summit by John Kappenman (Principal Investigator, National Academy of Sciences Severe Space Weather Project. Principal Investigator, U.S. Congress EMP Commission) titled:
    'Risk: Impact of Severe Solar Flares, Nuclear EMP and Intentional EMI on Electric Grids'.


    Download PDF here

    Talk associated with the slides is available here:
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    I'm trying to be careful to not present the more extreme of these.
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    EMP effects from a high altitude nuclear detonation as explained by Dr. William Graham (Chairman of the US Congressional EMP Threat Commission) for 33 Minutes.
    May I suggest that that particular Youtube video you posted, EMP - Segment from "33 Minutes", is a rather uninformative bit of sensationalism.

    I'm not saying that of this thread's topic; just of that particular video.
    Hey Paul,

    I´m afraid the video us not sensationalist at all.

    I´ve been researching this issue for a while, and it´s a common agreement, among many specialists, that a nuclear weapon properly calibrated for maximum EMP effect, detonated above the atmosphere somewhere above the state of Kansas, would indeed fry everything electronic and would affect the whole continental United States.

    Search for Compton effect and Compton current if you want to understand how it works. This is a legit security concern that has been neglected for decades.

    It would take years, even decades, to repair the whole grid. The consequences would be enormous and millions of people would die, not from the EMP, but because current society is totally dependent from the grid.

    It would be worse than going back to the Dark Ages, because at least back then people grew their own food or were close to plantations and food sources; People were own their own and used to be self-sufficient.

    Nowadays, most people would quickly die from starvation, given the fact the supermarket´s stocks don´t last more than three or four days and no one would be there to refill the stocks again for at least a few years. This would be just one the major problems

    People with illness like diabetes would die pretty quickly, because insulin needs refrigeration to keep its potency. People with other serious illness, like heart related ones, would die quickly as well, after there´s no more medication in pharmacies.

    Communications would be down, so people would be in the dark to coordinate actions and exchange information. Many cities would go out of water, except those which rely on gravity for their water supply.

    To sum up, it would be hell on Earth. No exaggerations here.

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    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)

    I´ve been researching this issue for a while, and it´s a common agreement, among many specialists, that a nuclear weapon properly calibrated for maximum EMP effect, detonated above the atmosphere somewhere above the state of Kansas, would indeed fry everything electronic and would affect the whole continental United States.

    It would take years, even decades, to repair the whole grip.

    Search for Compton effect and Compton current if you want to understand how it works. This is a legit security concern that has been neglected for decades.

    Raf.
    I decided to add some videos and information that explain the many problems associated with EMP and GMD sort of as reference material.
    The three main events (1859, 1921 & 1989) really show the wide range of problems that can be associated.
    The PDF I embedded above has photos of the transformers from the 1989 event, shows radius of effect recorded from EMP's and also shows that there is a residue effect that can last out to a year when faults occur in the system.
    It's full of interesting bits and pieces and considering its just a slideshow I reckon its an excellent resource.
    The Soviets had effects out to 1000 miles in one of their tests and honolulu had effects @ 600 miles.

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    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
    [...]

    People with illness like diabetes would die pretty quickly, because insulin needs refrigeration to keep its potency. People with other serious illness, like heart related ones, would die quickly as well, after there´s no more medication in pharmacies.

    [...]

    Raf.
    I am not so sure about that one... because... being on a forced diet and without medications... that's a recipe for one of the most potent cure there is known to man: a fast! It's been known to bring people on their death bed back to life and vibrant with energy.

    That's a result TPTB will not be happy with

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    I´m afraid the video us not sensationalist at all.

    I´ve been researching this issue for a while, and it´s a common agreement, among many specialists, that a nuclear weapon properly calibrated for maximum EMP effect, detonated above the atmosphere somewhere above the state of Kansas, would indeed fry everything electronic and would affect the whole continental United States.
    From what I can tell, such a nuclear blast over Kansas will generate an EMP covering the continental USA. But I would not expect everything electronic to be fried. Rather I'd expect some of the weak and exposed spots to be fried. Electronics near an exposed wire or antenna, or outside of a metal container would be at greater risk.

    Granted, most electronics is connected to power (long wires) some of the time, and most "interesting" electronics is connected to the Internet, the telephone wiring, the cable TV wiring, or the Cell phone network either wirelessly (using an antenna) or wired most of the time.

    Just as a very close lightning strike doesn't fry all electronics, but rather stresses the weak spots, similarly with an EMP. Not every transistor gets fried; just some.

    I agree that if an EMP attack took out enough transformers such that the US electrical grid could not be repaired or cobbled together, for most of the electrical consumers in the US, within a few days, then we'd be running an economy using early 1900's means, tasked to provide food, clothing, medicine and shelter for a population several times larger, and dependent on early 2000 means. That will be really nasty, for a long time. The US would never be the same again, and many, perhaps a substantial majority, depending on help from others, could die the hard way. Given the way that the US has been treating others, and given that such an EMP attack could well place us in a state of general world war, that help might be slow in coming.

    In my view, that particular video was sensationalist in its manner of presenting the material, as well as in the over simplifications presented.
    First it has an ominous voice over, with ticking clock and scenes of the Brooklyn bridge and a nuclear blast.

    Then it has Dr. James Carafano, National Security Analyst, on the beach, telling us that a nuclear weapon detonated high over the center of the US, he "might be a casualty too" and that the EMP pulse "could incapacitate every electrical system in the United States".

    Then Dr. William Graham, Chairman Congressional EMP Commission, comes on, from his living room, telling us that such an "electromagnetic pulse would effect all the electronics within the line of sight of that burst." [True "effect" ... but "effect" doesn't necessarily mean "fry". -Paul].

    Immediately we cut to a "scene" as if flying just over a circuit board, with an ominous voice over telling us "an EMP produces damaging voltage and current surges burning out the semi-conductor chips of any electronic device within line of sight."

    As the scene changes to an overview of the USA, the ominous voice over continues "The result of that is the complete shutdown of the electronic system. Were the blast to occur high enough, the entire United States would be left with no electrical power for the things that depend on electrical power."

    Switching back to Dr. Graham in his living room, Graham states "None of those services would be available because they need electrical power. Telephones wouldn't work. Traffic lights would stop working."
    Notice that the exagerations, such as an EMP would burn out all the electronic chips and cause a complete shutdown of all electrical power come from the voice over, whereas the statements from named officials are clipped out of context, so one can't tell under what conditions they intended their statements to apply. Notice also the confusion of the electrical power system and electronic devices.

    The take away message that most viewers will take from that video is that officials agree ... one EMP high over Kansas and all electronics and all electricals in the US are totally fried, and we'd be back to using methods of the early 1800's with an infrastructure and population that had depended on that fried equipment.

    Some of that take away is true . It's a mix of truths and half truths, bolstered by out of context clips from "experts" that presumably leave out the inconvenient complications.
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    The take away message that most viewers will take from that video is that officials agree ... one EMP high over Kansas and all electronics and all electricals in the US are totally fried, and we'd be back to using methods of the early 1800's with an infrastructure and population that had depended on that fried equipment.
    Hey Paul,

    Yes, if the nuke is properly calibrated to achieve maximum EMP effect, this would indeed be true.

    One blast would be enough to fry the whole grid and everything electronic, except for military grade EMP protected equipment.

    This thing is very serious and the US government have been ignoring this threat for a long time...Who knows, maybe their are planning to play this card in the future and blame it on a solar flair or something like that.

    For those who enjoy reading post apocalyptic fiction books, I´d recommend reading "One second after". It´s not as good as "Alas Babylon", "Lucifer´s Hammer" or "Earth Abides", but it´s about a post EMP United States; The author did his homework about the consequences of a nuclear EMP blast.

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    One blast would be enough to fry the whole grid and everything electronic, except for military grade EMP protected equipment.
    I'll wager that the backup disks of the Avalon forum data that I am storing in EMP bags will survive ... I just might have trouble finding a computer to read the disk, not to mention an Internet to connect with anyone else .

    Actually I'll wager that some of the electronic devices in my kitchen, such as the blender or hot water kettle, will survive ... and some will fail. For example the "electronics" in the blender might consist of a couple of diodes that take full A/C power in an electrically noisy environment next to the motor. I'd expect some of the disconnected spare electronic computer boards I have to survive, enough perhaps to still build another working computer. Some of my old, unused computers, which are in metal cases and have been completely disconnected from all wires, might survive.

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    This thing is very serious and the US government have been ignoring this threat for a long time...Who knows, maybe their are planning to play this card in the future and blame it on a solar flair or something like that.
    Agreed. My pointing out the rather typical sensationalist techniques used in that one video doesn't mean that there isn't a potentially really serious problem here. It was just such a nice clean example of the use of such sensationalist techniques that I was unable to resist pointing that out.
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    Well, why bother with a nuclear device when:


    ... what about a False Flag EMP?

    Something generated by this kind of device and simultaneously all over an area (from: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...y-electronics/):


    ‘Today We Turned Science Fiction Into Science Fact’: Latest on the New Missile That Can Fry Electronics
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:26am Liz Klimas

    Boeing has completed another successful test for technology that fries enemy electronics with little to no collateral damage to other objects. This news comes a little more than a year after TheBlaze reported on Boeing’s previous successes with its Counter-electronics High-powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP).

    Boeing describes CHAMP as “a non-kinetic alternative to traditional explosive weapons that use the energy of motion to defeat a target.” In its most recent test that took place last week with the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory Directed Energy Directorate, Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., over the Utah Test and Training Range, Boeing proved CHAMP could follow a pre-programmed flight plan and wipe out enemy target data and electronic subsystems by emitting high amounts of energy.


    Computers inside CHAMP’s target building before it was blasted with high-energy microwaves. (Image: Boeing)


    Computers were knocked offline after the missile was fired. (Image: Boeing)

    “This technology marks a new era in modern-day warfare,” Keith Coleman, CHAMP program manager for Boeing Phantom Works, said in the company’s press release. “In the near future, this technology may be used to render an enemy’s electronic and data systems useless even before the first troops or aircraft arrive.”


    Artist’s rendition of the missile. (Image: Boeing)

    Watch this Boeing report on the latest test of the first fully functional CHAMP:

    http://bcove.me/vcnu5gym

    In a recent feature on CHAMP’s latest test, Boeing describes how the missile approached a two-story building, fired high-powered microwaves at it and effectively knocked out the computers and other electrical systems inside. It states that even the cameras that were inside the building to record the test were wiped out.

    “Today we turned science fiction into science fact,” Coleman said in Boeing’s feature.


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    So... that's now in the public domain... officially... which means it's been obsoleted by something better they now have in store... never mind the black ops.

    ... you know... with drones all over the place...

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    [...]

    Raf.
    I am not so sure about that one... because... being on a forced diet and without medications... that's a recipe for one of the most potent cure there is known to man: a fast! It's been known to bring people on their death bed back to life and vibrant with energy.

    That's a result TPTB will not be happy with

    PS: see this PDF book: http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201...020165.hay.pdf
    Hey Amzer Zo,

    There's a stark difference between 'fasting' and 'starving'.
    Many people living in modern centralised industrial societies have no idea about growing (of even how to use!) food and would starve if there was no transportation of pre-processed food for centralised distribution.
    I also think Raf is mostly right about medication.
    If someone has a heart condition and over-exerts themselves, as they would in a walk-out scenario, then many would suffer a heart attack (even one bought on by stress in the more extreme case we're discussing).
    Type 2 diabetics probably would be better off if they had access to food but, as I understand it, the view of mainstream scientists is that they wouldn't (have access to food).
    Type 1 diabetics, who require regular insulin injections for survival, may not be able to survive on a raw food diet (the initial shock, of almost instant withdrawal, would be too much for the systems of many to withstand).

    -- Pan
    "What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence.
    The only consequence is what we do."

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    Well, all right pan, reading the book I linked to might change your mind.

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