critical question about power of Mind, and Law of Attraction (LOA) 'trend'

[niki]

all the 'beautiful' and 'spiritual' words/jargons aside, in reality, no matter how "feeling good" and Imaginations we're trying to do,..it still won't be able to completely change the *physical* reality,..no?

for the simplest example: let's say if right NOW, I imagine & think of a thousands rays of colors now shining and permeating my room right now,..yet,..NOTHING will happen, and my room still as mundane & usual as like before,....no matter how much I've tried to imagine or THINK about it..

or also same with when I imagine & think, and also really want to *manifest* into becoming a bird, and fly to the blue sky above... NOTHING happened.. and I'm still stuck here in my room (reality!).

so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?
thank you.

[donk]

I think of it on more general terms. No, I can't maniest specific physical things, but YES, I certainly manifest drama, problems, and misery when my intent is focused there.

Conversely, when I desire calm, joy, or "enough", I tend to get it.

Is it like the "new car" dilemma (help me out with this one, "expectation bias"? some kind of paradox?? I know there's an "official" term), where you never notice how many '05 blue Subaru Wagons are on the road til you bought one? Sure...there were always the same number of blue subes...you just never noticed...

People that can bend and fold space/time, remote view, bend metal and live off of sunlight...well, like the kid in the Matrix said: There is no spoon.

Or like Yoda said to a despondent Luke, sighing "I don't believe it!"....THAT IS WHY YOU FAIL.

I haven't gotten there myself, and probably won't in this lifetime...but hey, life's a journey.

I cram enough corny cliches in there for you?? You can only manifest a reality within the limits you set for it/yourself...

[giovonni]

The love and attention i give to a desired and believed thought ...
Seems always to be the nurturing sunshine required for it to have a chance of manifesting ...

[skyflower]

if we are living an illusion, then why not live the illusion of your choice?
I think that is what intention does. When you focus on something, eventually, that which you focus on, will come to you.
If one wanted to imagine a room of a thousand permeating colors, and wanted to see that room in such grandeur, but expects a spontaneous change of reality..which I will not say it is impossible, but it is greatly limiting. Let's say if one was open to the method that experience was to unfold...maybe one day someone will bring to you a kaleidoscope, and you happen to look into it in your room without really thinking about your original "wish"....you would see a colorful room.

That has been my experience at least....

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by niki (here)
all the 'beautiful' and 'spiritual' words/jargons aside, in reality, no matter how "feeling good" and Imaginations we're trying to do,..it still won't be able to completely change the *physical* reality,..no?

for the simplest example: let's say if right NOW, I imagine & think of a thousands rays of colors now shining and permeating my room right now,..yet,..NOTHING will happen, and my room still as mundane & usual as like before,....no matter how much I've tried to imagine or THINK about it..

or also same with when I imagine & think, and also really want to *manifest* into becoming a bird, and fly to the blue sky above... NOTHING happened.. and I'm still stuck here in my room (reality!).

so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?
thank you.

I can see the problem you are talking about

Our problem generally in the spiritual community is we are learning higher realm thinking but without higher realm rescources and then expecting higher realm results.

What is a better way to look at it is , We are in Schooling for the higher realm so when we graduate we get to use the higher realm in a useful way.

Down here we can seriously miuse higher realm abilities so we are generally anchored into 3 d constructs and limitations. Not to say some havent managed to get past these limitations , but it takes critical understanding of proper usage before attaining the ability to use them in 3 d realm.

So dont be perturbed by egoic reactions to faliure of aspiration to escape 3 d , but rather let that wanto go ... let it all go ... and just be .. just learn and be grateful and you will progress faster.

N

[christian]

All manifestation is a result of focused intention. Right now the environment we're living in is a relatively tenacious one, but the general rule still applies. Depending on your state of consciousness and the medium you're operating in manifesting is more or less immediate. It simply takes longer to manifest something physically than it takes in other mediums, i.e. higher realms of existence. But if you could perceive it, you would notice that as soon as your intention changes, dynamics are being triggered that will in due time manifest what you focus on, that is if you can persistently keep the focus.

The moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforseen incidents and meetings and material assistance which no man could have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it!
— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[GarethBKK]

Niki,

Sooner or later you will realise that the answer to 'Why is it happening for others and not me?' lies within. 'It's not working and therefore everyone else is dishonest' needs to become 'I'm not working and I need to get in touch with myself'. Your head sits there waiting for 'it' to happen, while your heart is waiting for you to wake up and realise your head is what is stopping 'I' from happening. Good luck.

[panopticon]

Posted by niki (here)
all the 'beautiful' and 'spiritual' words/jargons aside, in reality, no matter how "feeling good" and Imaginations we're trying to do,..it still won't be able to completely change the *physical* reality,..no?

for the simplest example: let's say if right NOW, I imagine & think of a thousands rays of colors now shining and permeating my room right now,..yet,..NOTHING will happen, and my room still as mundane & usual as like before,....no matter how much I've tried to imagine or THINK about it..

or also same with when I imagine & think, and also really want to *manifest* into becoming a bird, and fly to the blue sky above... NOTHING happened.. and I'm still stuck here in my room (reality!).

so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?
thank you.

G'day Niki,

Welcome back from holiday.
Thanks for the question.

Again I would ask why you think that the universe would grant your personal need for instant gratification?

-- Pan

[CivilDawn]

When one focuses in their mind's eye on an end result, and then evokes the feelings and emotions that would accompany that result (especially if it is done on a consistent basis) they will start behaving in a manner that through intention will create this result. Sychronicities will follow when intention backed by powerful emotion is established.

However, you are only responsible for your Self. If the "result" is to change someone else, that is an infringement on free will and will cause resentment.

[Anchor]

Posted by niki (here)
any critical thoughts

Lots. Most left unsaid

The main thing that I see is that you are not doing it right.

Did you actually attempt to change the colors in your room ?

How have you learned the process for manifesting that you have attempted (if at all).

The reason I ask, is because we cant prove it to you, you have to prove it to yourself. Learn how to do it, then do it.

I know the LOA works for me, but that wont help you any.

[CivilDawn]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by niki (here)
any critical thoughts

I know the LOA works for me, but that wont help you any.

Care to share what works for you?

[Ilie Pandia]

Posted by niki (here)
all the 'beautiful' and 'spiritual' words/jargons aside, in reality, no matter how "feeling good" and Imaginations we're trying to do,..it still won't be able to completely change the *physical* reality,..no?

for the simplest example: let's say if right NOW, I imagine & think of a thousands rays of colors now shining and permeating my room right now,..yet,..NOTHING will happen, and my room still as mundane & usual as like before,....no matter how much I've tried to imagine or THINK about it..

or also same with when I imagine & think, and also really want to *manifest* into becoming a bird, and fly to the blue sky above... NOTHING happened.. and I'm still stuck here in my room (reality!).

so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?
thank you.

Hi Niki,

You are over simplifying this. There is nothing wrong with that, in general, but since you ask for "proof" and "critical thought" you need to go more in depth that this!

A lot of successful people use focused intent, day dreaming, visualization, setting goals etc, and they don't care how it works nor do they need any proof. They know it works and that's enough for them.

But if you want to know the so called "mechanics of manifestation" then you need to brace yourself for a lot of learning.

There are a few more basic questions that you need to try and find some answers to:

- what is *physical* reality that you keep referring to?
- what is light (and what is color)
- what is definite proof? how do you know something is definite or not?
- what is human perception? (This is a big one. Have a look at NLP, and you will learn that your perception is NOT the reality of things, not by far!)
- you room is never mundane and never usual, that is your *perception* of it. In fact, a different observer may say is full of "colored light" (again this ties into human perception and representational systems)
- look into the concepts of subconscious mind and how that filters what "you think to be reality". This filter is so strong that you may not "perceive" things literaly in your face, you may have hallucinations all together
- try to understand objective vs subjective reality
- understand that your 5 senses perceive a very very limited of what we now know is out there. Not only that, but your "unconscious" filters distort the signals

All of the above "pointers" should give you enough critical thought for an year or so if you want to take the dive. But you have to do your home work! As so many have already told you, nobody can do it for you! No matter how beautiful and perfect their answers are, they are NOT your answer and you will not accept them.

Now let's see if anything that was said on this thread will be allowed by your filters into your mind, or you will just consider it more non-sense that requires "more proof"

[Wind]

The physical reality is a manifestation of our collective thoughts. At this point humanity as a whole is suffering from a mental illness. We are prisoners of our own minds and we have forgot that how to think from our hearts. The male side of the brain is too dominant.

You cannot expect to receive unless you yourself share your gifts and love to the world. The intention if giving must come from your heart, not your mind. Our minds have a tremendous potential, but we haven't just fully realised it. In this dimension manifestation is not sudden, it takes time to unfold. You plant the seed and let it grow. Don't be a prisoner of your mind, be a master of your mind. You need to let go of the old left brained way of thinking and allow the flow of creativity come through you. Don't try to think positively, but instead think positively. I know that it's not always easy since most of us are still mere ego-bound humans, but it is possible with practice.

If you think that life sucks and it's boring then life sucks and it's boring. If you think that is awesome to be alive now then indeed it is amazing to be alive now!

Give, and you will receive.

[Rocky_Shorz]

we both swore we'd never, ever date again... on the same day as my rant...

destiny brought our paths together, or maybe it was a few match makers from the village, feeling my pain...

13 years, healed with a hug, a natural healer from Ireland...

she's having OBE's that have shown her visions in over 6 countries we have been together in the past...

now ask me about the law of attraction, I'd have to say I'm living it...

again and again, lifetime after lifetime together with the same one...

it's where spirituality meets destiny, and it's awesome...


a few weeks ago, when she asked what was my biggest secret, I laughed and said I'm King David....

she said "Dude, this game is serious..."

I said, OK, I've talked with the ET's that are protecting our planets from sun flares...

"Dude"

[sheme]

I read somewhere in the book 'IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH THE GRAIL MESSAGE '. http://www.alexander-bernhardt.com/S...eichnis-E.html

All thought we create exists as a thought form, this tangle of thought attracts similar forms to us, we are in turn attracted to our thoughts and similar though forms, we are responsible for all that we create even our thoughts! We are in control of all that we say do and think.

We must teach our children this truth, and teach them to master their thoughts, and we must teach them to be discerning as to what they allow in through their eyes and ears. In this time of change I feel it is vital that we create only beauty and loving thoughts, this will protect the right thinking, and attract similar creation to us.

[markpierre]

Posted by niki (here)
all the 'beautiful' and 'spiritual' words/jargons aside, in reality, no matter how "feeling good" and Imaginations we're trying to do,..it still won't be able to completely change the *physical* reality,..no?

for the simplest example: let's say if right NOW, I imagine & think of a thousands rays of colors now shining and permeating my room right now,..yet,..NOTHING will happen, and my room still as mundane & usual as like before,....no matter how much I've tried to imagine or THINK about it..

or also same with when I imagine & think, and also really want to *manifest* into becoming a bird, and fly to the blue sky above... NOTHING happened.. and I'm still stuck here in my room (reality!).

so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?
thank you.

It depends on what you want. If you want to wake up, and you mean it, you already have exactly what you need to do that,
in every possible facet of the package you call 'you'. In fact you're doing that right now, whatever else you're doing.
That's if 'what you want' is to achieve what you came here for. You have to work really hard to delay it and you do. Eventually you want it bad enough and it's yours.
But you have no idea what it is, and you have to be made ready to allow it. You can fast track that or you can plod along. It's up to you.
You want to feel something and experience something other than how you feel and what you're experiencing right now, and that's a barrier.
It's what you need now or it wouldn't be there. You came here to what is, as it is. Why? Because you don't like it?

If you want phenomena, or superpowers, or if you want your wildest earthly dreams you can have that. You just have to want that bad enough too.
Bearing in mind that you haven't accomplished much. Not nothing, but not alot.

So 'who' are you? A Soul with a definite agenda and experiences all mapped out that will possibly or probably take you to your breaking point, so you crack open
and reveal to yourself a world that's already perfect and communicating what you can't yet hear and see,
or a made-up limited human identity with it's own private (that it likes to share) opposing agenda, and criteria for what 'life' is. A 'you' that believes it knows what it wants.

The 'law of attraction' works, the trick is getting your mind and your 'feeling', your 'faith', lined up and communicating the same thing. What are you going to use it for?
You could use it to attract the next big painful lesson on where you're mistaken, and get your ass out of time and troubles that much quicker.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The law of attraction may work, but in this reality time can be a significant factor for manifesting physical things, thus creating the illusion that it does not work. Instant manifestation of things non-physical, for example feelings of well being, can be much quicker to create.

[Anchor]

Posted by CivilDawn (here)

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by niki (here)
any critical thoughts

I know the LOA works for me, but that wont help you any.

Care to share what works for you?

Yes but I already did it a lot on the forum: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post558283

You will note that this is from a previous thread of niki's where the has record turned on this subject once before.

Someone asked me about a tangible experience once, I posted one here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post50797

Another longish post on the subject https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post495889

[The Royal Wizard]

Dear niki. I understand why you ask your question. The world are full of "light and love"-tecniques were the teachers say they work, and the students struggle to accomplish the desired result. Because the desired result doesn't show up, one gives up, and start thinking destructive thoughts about one self. Quite naturally and understandably in every sense. The challenge with all those tecniques is the fact that we really don't need them. We all know what to do if we listen carefully to ourselves. Remenber this; every time you go to a class, read a book og listen to a guru on order to learn, you at the same time say to yourself; I'm not good enaugh, or I know to little. Therefore the answer is: get to know yourself, search inside not on the outside. This is quite a task because we get distracted all the time, but not at all impossible. Listen to others on order to re-member, not to learn.

The light you are searching for and the colours you want to manifest are already there. The task is not to create it, but to allow yourself to see it, just as Ilia Pandia says over.

Keep the faith in yourself.

best reg.

TRW

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by niki (here)
so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?

I removed the red "critical post" exclamation point from this thread, and moved this thread from the General Discussion sub-forum into the Spirituality sub-forum, where some (not all) of the following threads discussing the same topic are already located:

• Laws of Attraction
• Law of Attraction: Positive and Negative thinking:
• I'm Confused About Law of Attraction..?
• Debunking the Law of Attraction and "Thoughts Create Reality" Religion
• The Law of Attraction, Belief & Conscious Creation Archangel Metatron via James Tybe
• The classic question....So, where does the law of attraction fit into all of this??
• Law of Attraction - Does it work?
• " The Law of Attraction" Part 1 Archangel Metatron via James Tyberonn