The Side of Gun Violence No One Talks About: Troubled Homes and Under-Reported Crimes

[Eram]

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)

I still don't realllllly know deep deep down how I feel about guns. And that is why I don't own one. But do you think the real reason is, whatever is wrong with that person could be wrong with me too, and I am just afraid to own one?

Would someone who is likely to travel that road ask herself these kind of questions on a public forum?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)

I still don't realllllly know deep deep down how I feel about guns. And that is why I don't own one. But do you think the real reason is, whatever is wrong with that person could be wrong with me too, and I am just afraid to own one?

Would someone who is likely to travel that road ask herself these kind of questions on a public forum?

I would never burden the public with a question like this without a reason.

My therapist told me once, "feelings are real", and that includes feelings of violence.
I've experienced those. Maybe more often than is typical of the average person.

It really makes me think twice, about why I joined the military,
about why I liked to go hunting, about cruelty to animals on the farm, etc.

this whole gun control debate is very emotional, and I am sure that people are back and forth on the issue.

I guess the thing to keep in mind is that the Civil War claimed a lot more lives than annual gun violence in america probably does,
and we WOULD have a civil war if the people were disarmed, so... it's hard to say what could or should be done about it all.



anyone else here ever feel "postal"? I've nearly been there.
In fact I've definitely been there.

Call it PPD or whatever you want, it's there and it's bad.

I don't know how I feel about guns. lol

[Snookie]

I can understand why "crimes of passion" are treated differently than premeditated killing. I remember a few nights lying beside my "lying" ex how glad I was that there wasn't a baseball bat or knife close by. I got a good glimpse of how crimes of passion occur.

[ghostrider]

Here is a thought , close all gun manufacturing plants ...simply dont make any more... then when the violence continues , they must redirect the narrative ...i ran away at 15 to escape violence... i was beaten quite well without guns involved... Taxes are the real problem , it takes both parents working to pay all the taxes, long ago ONE parent could make enough to raise a family, but now it takes two, both gone to work , and the children are left alone, something missing at home, parents stressed trying to make ends meet, tempers fly easily, someone has to bare the brunt of that anger ...soon the marriage is over, broken home , broken spirits ... our government has been in the family destruction business for a long time... part of the agenda , destroy self reliance , crash the dollar, and get the wolves to turn on each other...

[Ernie Nemeth]

People of advanced moral fibre are not the problem, imo, unlike the opinion of the government on the issue. They are scared of exactly that - people with moral and ethical fortitude because those sorts just might not take the sh*t they feed the masses...

[Arrowwind]

[Hermite]

I salute your courage and honesty here, Tesla. And, Arrowwind, I think you are right about what's wrong with a whole lot of people nowadays. I wish the US had the same strict gun restrictions we have here in Canada. You can have a gun but you sure have to jump through some hoops to get one. I have a friend who recently acquired one and I got to read the application you have to complete. They asked if you were recently divorced or having troubled relationships or recent law suits. A yes to any of those would mean a no to you. And the penalties for lying are very steep. I think that's very wise. Unfortunately, your horse is already out of the barn down there, and I have no idea what it will take to get it back now. I find all the suggested solutions quite alarming.

[bram]

Hi Tesla,

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)

My father was a gun owner. The rumor in the family is that he killed two men -- one drowned in a lake, and I didn't get the details on the other. All I know is that they didn't die because of guns. But they were killed by a gun owner -- where does that leave the rest of us?

I can remember spending my twelfth Christmas in a place called Safe Harbor. It's a women's and family shelter. My father had threatened my mother, my sisters, me, and my grandparents with gun violence. He said that he was going to shoot us all. He blamed us kids for ruining his life, starting with me, and he told my mother that he was going to kill us all, then kill her parents. We fled to my uncle's house and called this shelter, and shortly thereafter, we were gone from his life -- for three days only.

http://safeharborsc.org/

I remember an evening my father got drunk and started in with the threats again. My mom piled us into the car, and out the rear window I saw my father holding a .22 rifle and watching us drive away. I wonder how close we came.

Your OP paints a graphic picture of a dangerous and troubled man, who must have carried a heavy, dark aura around with him wherever he went.

In situations like this, especially involving those close to us, it helps (for me anyway) to remember that people can only achieve certain things in their lives due to karma from previous existences. Your father left this life with an even bigger karmic burden than he brought into it, and he will have to suffer much more before he can begin to find freedom.

You probably also feel that much was left unresolved between you, but you can be sure that you and he will interact again; however next time the balance of power may be very different; I pray that you will be able to show him some of the love that he clearly lacked and needs to be able to move forward spiritually!

Thank you for your very honest OP.

Love, bram

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by bram (here)
Hi Tesla,

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)

My father was a gun owner. The rumor in the family is that he killed two men -- one drowned in a lake, and I didn't get the details on the other. All I know is that they didn't die because of guns. But they were killed by a gun owner -- where does that leave the rest of us?

I can remember spending my twelfth Christmas in a place called Safe Harbor. It's a women's and family shelter. My father had threatened my mother, my sisters, me, and my grandparents with gun violence. He said that he was going to shoot us all. He blamed us kids for ruining his life, starting with me, and he told my mother that he was going to kill us all, then kill her parents. We fled to my uncle's house and called this shelter, and shortly thereafter, we were gone from his life -- for three days only.

http://safeharborsc.org/

I remember an evening my father got drunk and started in with the threats again. My mom piled us into the car, and out the rear window I saw my father holding a .22 rifle and watching us drive away. I wonder how close we came.

Your OP paints a graphic picture of a dangerous and troubled man, who must have carried a heavy, dark aura around with him wherever he went.

In situations like this, especially involving those close to us, it helps (for me anyway) to remember that people can only achieve certain things in their lives due to karma from previous existences. Your father left this life with an even bigger karmic burden than he brought into it, and he will have to suffer much more before he can begin to find freedom.

You probably also feel that much was left unresolved between you, but you can be sure that you and he will interact again; however next time the balance of power may be very different; I pray that you will be able to show him some of the love that he clearly lacked and needs to be able to move forward spiritually!

Thank you for your very honest OP.

Love, bram

Thank you, and I hope so too.

When he died, it felt like some of the bad energy stayed.
If you know what I mean.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
My husband's friend was recently shot in the face and in the side by a gun owner. The friend was working at a coffee shop and this man just came in and shot him up, along with a bunch of other people in Seattle. No one else had a gun and no one was able to stop the rampage.

That's precisely why I have a concealed carry permit.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
My husband's friend was recently shot in the face and in the side by a gun owner. The friend was working at a coffee shop and this man just came in and shot him up, along with a bunch of other people in Seattle. No one else had a gun and no one was able to stop the rampage.

That's precisely why I have a concealed carry permit.

I wish more "nice" and "normal" people would carry the weapons and not these crazies!
Also there is the question of what to do with a person who is slowly breaking down, rather than quickly.

In a family situation sometimes the conceal and carry bit doesn't work! Although I did fantasize.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I guess the reason I am so sad about guns,

is that they are so FINAL,
and we are so FRAGILE.

My grandfather told me once,
if he was not already involved in Christian ministry full time,
he would have been an animal rights activist because he is so sick about what he had to see on the farm where he grew up.


We all have a different experience in life,
and I think that is the whole point, should reincarnation be the truth,
that we learn from this experience and shed the negative burden of the past mistakes we have made.

I feel so sorry for each victim and each perpetrator of gun violence,
because intelligence is eroded by the conscious choice to both inflict and succumb to the horror of violence.

I believe that people have the right to self defend,
but like the nuclear bomb,
the decision to pull that trigger is so ultimate,
I am not personally 100% sure if it belong's in the monkey's hands,
this terrible power to end a human life!

or a puppy's life.

No matter how you cut it, gun violence is messy and excessive,
and I hope that our country finds a new whore/interest/fad other than Gun Violence.

from hollywood to the deepest darkest holler,
bullets riddle the good reputation of our shining country.

the shot heart round the world has given way to a world full of the sound of flying bullets.
no longer a source of pride and protection,
they have become a blight of misconception and abuse!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/michael-...get-a-dog.html

Michael Moore: If You Want to Protect Yourself From Criminals, Get a Dog

Film maker says Americans should only be permitted to own muskets
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
February 22, 2013
Gun control advocate Michael Moore thinks that Americans should only be permitted to own muskets, a stance that would instantly criminalize nearly 100 million firearms owners. His message for everyone else? “If you are worried about your safety, get a dog.”

The maker of Bowling for Columbine was asked by We Are Change’s Luke Rudkowski what his stance was on the argument that Americans should have the right to own firearms in order to protect themselves against criminals, who will always find a way to get guns no matter what the law says.
“There’s nothing wrong with the second amendment, as written, and as intended at that time – I think everybody has a right to own a musket,” said Moore as he smirked and laughed.
Of course, the word “musket” does not appear anywhere in the second amendment.
“I think if somebody really believes they need a gun to protect themselves they should have a right to do that,” said Moore, before dissuading people from doing so by referring to statistics which he claims show having a gun in the house raises the likelihood of someone in the house being harmed.
“If you are worried about your safety, get a dog,” Moore concluded.
Despite his reservations about Americans having guns in their homes, Moore admitted in a 2008 Larry King interview that he owns a gun and also relies on armed security.
Despite his draconian advocacy for strict gun control, Moore routinely surrounds himself with armed bodyguards. Addressing a story about how one of his bodyguards was arrested at New York’s JFK airport for carrying an unlicensed gun, Moore dismissed the issue as “propaganda put out by the right, by Fox News,” claiming the bodyguard did not work for him.
The film maker argued that the bodyguard, Patrick Burke, was on his way to California to protect Arnold Schwarzenegger, and that the bodyguard was probably only hired to protect him by a film studio company. However, the Burke’s gun was licensed in California but not New York, meaning that his crime of carrying an unlicensed weapon was most likely committed while protecting Moore.
In a separate interview, Moore warned that Obama’s passage of the NDAA and his administration’s drone assassination program represented the “early baby steps” towards tyrannical government, but refused to acknowledge that gun control was part of that process.
Moore denied that gun control was part of the Nazi move to dictatorship, arguing, “That’s like saying Hitler and the Nazis invented the Volkswagen….so?”
Although gun control advocates have claimed that Hitler did not disarm the German people and that the ‘Nazi gun control’ argument is a myth, the facts show that Hitler did take existing gun control laws and make them more draconian with the 1938 weapons law, which prohibited Jews from “acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons,” and ordered them to turn in all guns and ammunition to local police.
Historians like Israel Guttman have also outlined how the Warsaw Ghetto uprising against the Nazis was hampered by the fact that imprisoned Jews did not have access to adequate arsenals of firearms.
In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shootings, Moore called for “strict gun control,” labeling the event a “tipping point” that would lead to the demise of the National Rifle Association. However, in the three weeks following the incident, the NRA gained around 100,000 new members.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.
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My great uncle who works at Boeing in Everett suffered a home invasion recently.
A drug addicted young adult son of a couple who worked for Boeing broke into his house while uncle was home.

said uncle shot the man 5 or 6 times.

i think it was excessive.
what do you think?

this was in 2012 i believe, or 2011.
near the time leonard Meuse was shot.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo


California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms

By Michael B. Marois & James Nash - Mar 11, 2013 6:36 PM PT