Reincarnation and Soul Groups

[Tony]

Posted by torti (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
This is from the Tibetan Buddhist point of view...

Tony

Thank you for this Tony

Do you have a recommendation of a book or something, to help break this belief down for me? When I search for "Buddhist" on the library website it gives me so many options I have no idea where to start.

Thanks

Torti

Morning Torti,

As you say there is sooooooooooooooo much to choose from! Plus there are soooooooooooooo many linages, who do not quite agree on subtle aspects.
Soooooooooooooooooo, you want a straight to the point, the guts of what's it all about, the essence.

Soooooooooooooo, you could rely on your own intuition and karma. There bad karma and there is good karma, and fortunately you have some goooooooooooood karma. So, pop down to cellar on this site, where the groups have their own forums, and you will find one called 'meditation'.
It has all sort of deep background material on what's it all about. You do not have to meditate or be buddhist, just use your own intuition...inner teacher.

And you can ask any question you like. Then when you come across a book, you may get a better understanding of what they are saying.
There is a lot of jargon in buddhism and it can be misleading.

The bloke who maintains the group is alright, if you like that sort of thing...




All the best,
Tony

[eaglespirit]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
do you believe you are an immortal being?

being immortal, you believe, you do

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello Torti

You asked for a recommendation for a book about Buddhism - Steve Hagen's books are enjoyable and easy to read, and are a good introduction to Buddhism - especially the first one:

Buddhism Plain and Simple
Buddhism Is Not What You Think - Finding Freedom Beyond Beliefs
Meditation Now or Never
Why the World Doesn't Seem to Make Sense

And do think about joining the meditation group - it's a good place to ask questions of other members: share your thoughts. Go to the Groups tab at the top of the page - the meditation group has a logo of a broken yellow circle.

Might see you there!

Kathie

[humanalien]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by humanalien (here)
Only until judgement day. After that, it's
in Gods hands as to how immortal i will be.
I'm certainly no god though.

An that doesn't mean that i believe that i will
be reincarnated either because i won't be. When
i die, i'll go to await my judgement, just like
everyone else.

Hi, why do you think this is the case for "everyone else."

Isn't that playing the very God you say you certainly aren't?

Forgive me but I see a contradiction.

You are just twisting my words and isn't worth a response.

[humanalien]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by humanalien (here)
Only until judgement day.

I'm not going to any judgment day. There is only the fabricated notion by the Archonic elite who have written such nonsense in order to steal our power and keep us in bondage. I don't buy it.

Posted by humanalien (here)
After that, it's in Gods hands as to how immortal i will be.

It's not in gods hands, it's in mine. I AM an immortal soul and I've always been and always will be.

Posted by humanalien (here)
I'm certainly no god though.

I certainly am a godspark, just as much as any other being in the cosmos. Therefore I AM god.

Posted by humanalien (here)
An that doesn't mean that i believe that i will be reincarnated either because i won't be.

I've reincarnated hundreds, if not thousands of times. I've experienced my past lives very vividly and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that reincarnation is real. Even the plagiarized and altered bible says so.

Posted by humanalien (here)
When i die, i'll go to await my judgement, just like everyone else.

Nope, not everyone else. I'm NOT awaiting judgment. There is no judgment. Death is an illusion. That is the biggest lie the elite controllers ever came up with.

Sorry humanalien, but your belief structure DOES NOT meet the criteria of applying to everyone, most certainly not me.

It's obvious that you are very comfortable with your
beliefs and that is fine.

I'm not here to pass judgement on anyone.

I just ask that i be allowed to give all of you my views
without judgement being passed on me.

Thank-you

[torti]

Hey All

I have neglected this thread for a while... life has been on-top of me and seems to only get more and more crazy each day.

Unfortunately I have not been able to do a lot more research on this topic. I am fairly convinced that reincarnation is real, and I believe I have meet someone in my life who I know I have known many times before. I did a regression session that I found on youtube, and started it being rather skeptical, but was really surprised with what I saw and felt. A few things about my life now (like my fav tree, or scenario) make more sense, and also this person, who is currently in my life, was in my past. The connection with us is strong, to the point where there is a certain extent of telepathy. It is awesome and fascinating for me.

I do plan to return to this thread often and catch up on my research when I have time

Thank you all again for your advice.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I have read many various documents and stories and i like to blend the truths in them with my own first hand experiences.

A soul is an infinate charge or spark of energetic sequence. Its made up of a particular vibration similarto all vibration but with a unique signature.

These souls have , over time , ctreated families through re incarnation. if i understand rightly the soul is like a finger tip of the creator , a segment smaller than the whole yet someohow individual in its experience.

the souls have groups of friends they become family with over time and within this family are a group of elders and other groups that you interacted with while alive may interact with your soul groups.

they do over see you all the time in the higher reals.. the ones who do not re in carnate any more or the ones who are having a life review. they sort of guide you here and there but their understanding of how it all works, just like yours , except you cannot remember it , is something that allows us to adventure and make mistakes and have " Experiences " this is the most powerful way for a soul to learn enlightenment and widdle its fine tuning to a point.

We forget who we are as part of the re incarnative process to avoid making the tasks to ahev a good challenge to them. When we are in game we seldom know who we really are, some work it out and others ... well take more time. Every scenario is fine.

Why do we forget ? easy , can you immagine knowing your life time for 80,000 years ? can you imagine the excitement of forgetting so you can fall in love again for the first time again ;0)

Challenges and new experiences give the The One in the All which is us the meaning of life and gives us something to look forward to.

Do not fear death. We do generally because we dont really know what will happen. Either way you will die one day. You may find your self going to sleep and never waking up as some believe or you may find your self surrounded by your soul family to prep you for another round. Either wy you have nothing to lose except the regret of not having exprienced a good life.

The things you learned as a christian im sure can be sometimes daunting. just look inside and know our creator forgives mistakes from the heart that are pure and would be happier if you just live in peace and love.

Go and laugh, swear at the rock that stubbed your big toe , hav an orgy with a midget and a blonde transexual ethiopian , go bunjy jumping , get drunk and tell bad jokes ... its all good .. things to avoid, dont kill anybody or hinder them from their freedom.,. thats not very nice.. other than that just be and smile and spread love and understanding , help your fellow humanoids and help your self.

i think thats it as a basic aprasil : 0 )

Hope it helps your journey

Hugs

Naniu

[felixq78]

Get onto Nanci Danison's website or check out her videos on YouTube, her explanation of it all works seems logical to me. We don't always reincarnate immediately, there can be a time of recuperation and we choose who what and where we re-incarnate, Earth isn't the only planet in this universe and a lifetime on another more enlightened planet is as good as a holiday. There's no hell although some believe they've been there but they expected it (guilty conscience) so they created it. Everyone gets a guernsey even Hitler, the Church's view on punishment is a human concept, a universal all loving consciousness "God" isn't into torture.

[irmensul13]

This is my favorite case..The case of Shanti Devi,her memories of life BETWEEN lives..
While there are no Michael Newton type soul groups,this is a very interesting case to me..note the part where she says about the room with the bad smell..where they found her a clean place to lie down..wtf?!!!
HERE WE GO=
Mr. Nahata interrogated Shanti Devi on February 22, 1936. The relevant portions (translated from Hindi) are as follows:

Question: Tell us: what did you experience at the time of death?
Answer: Smoke. Three men wearing yellow clothes. I went with them till the Third plane. To the fourth I went alone.
Q: What did you see there?
A: There are saints (Sadhus) at all the three places.
Q: What did you see on the fourth place?
A: Krishanaji was sitting on a throne. (The suffix 'ji expresses veneration.)
Q: What else was there?
A: In front, there was a saint.
Q: Did he have any beard or long plaits of hair?
A: He had a white beard. There were many saints.
Q: What else were there?
A: Krishana ji had a paper in his hand and was reading from it.
Q: What was he reading?
A: I don't know about other thing, but I know he read out ' House Number 565
(The Number of the house Shanti Devi is residing these days is 565)
Q: What happened then?
A: I returned to a black cell.
Q: Were those three persons with you while returning?
A: No.
Q: What was there on your way?
A: Staircases of Gold and silver.
Q: Did you remain hungry in the dark cell?
A: No, I didn't feel any hunger or thirst.

A hypnotic test was conducted on April 13 1936. The hypnotist was Mr. Jagdish Mitra. Dr. Indra Sen was present during the sitting. Prof. Begg took notes. The relevant portions from prof. Begg's report are as follows:

Girl: Lugdi is dead. Now Lugdi is getting up from her bed.
Hypnotist: Whether Lugdi is getting up or her soul? The body is already dead.
Girl: Yes, the body is on the bed. Her soul is getting up. Four men wearing yellow underwear are standing. They have thrones also. And there are three saints in blue, black and white clothes. (I must admit that this position of what Lugdi said was not clearly audible to me).
Girl: Now Lugdi has reached God. She had a chit [official document of an agreement] in hand. She is showing the chit to God. Bad people are crying' Hypnotist: What is Lugdi doing now?
Girl: Now Lugdi is coming down stairs of gold and silver now.

Mr. Sushil Bose interrogated Shanti Devi on July 25 and 26 1936. His monograph, entitled: A case of Reincarnation, was published in 1952 and is in English. Mr. Sushil Bose does not mention the language in which the interview was originally taken (presumably it was in Hindi, because Shanti Devi, whose mother tongue was Hindi, could not converse in any other language) nor do we know the manner in which Mr. Bose took notes of the interviews. The relevant portions from his monograph are as follows:

Question: Do you remember how you felt at the time of death?
Answer: Yes, Just before death I felt a profound darkness and after death I saw a dazzling light. Then and there I knew I had come out of my body in a vaporous form and that I was moving upwards'. I saw that four men in saffron robes had come to me' All the four seemed to be in their teens and their appearance and dress were very bright' They put me in a cup and carried me'. It was about nine or ten inches abroad and rectangular in shape'
Q: Did you not ask them any thing about the river?
A: When asked they said that those who aspired for a higher life sincerely, but who had committed fleshly wrong in this life, were dipped in the river before moving any higher. They took me' to the fourth place.
Q: Is there any place to live there at night?
A: No, there are no houses or dwelling places. All is open space. 'Arriving on the fourth place I saw that there are still more saints, brighter in appearance then those on the third plane. And in the midst of them, seated on a huge dazzling throne was lord Krishna [one of most popular Hindu gods]. He was showing each person a record of his activities on earth, good and bad, and accordingly what would be his condition in the future.
Q: What happened then?
A: Then those persons, who had carried me, took me to a place like a staircase where it was very bright. I was seated there.
Q: Is there any thing like darkness or light there?
A: No, nothing like light or darkness. It was all full of light. It was all day and light, very mild, and smoothing and enlivening light.
Q: Did you have a sense of time? Can you say how long you stayed there?
A: No, I can't say how long I remained there. I had no feeling of time.
Q: Did you feel there was any higher plane above the one where you were?
A: Yes, I observed and felt there was a higher place but I can't say thing about it.
I ' in the fourth plane, near the throne of Lord Krishna, I saw one with a long beard.
Q: What finally happened?
A: After remaining on the staircase for a long time I was taken to a dark room, from all sides of which a very bad smell was coming out. I was made to lie down in a clean place there.
Q: Did you feel any pain at the time of death? Did you see any thing at that time?
A: I did not feel any pain. I simply passed into a state of unconsciousness, and at that very moment I saw very brilliant light.

Along with Dr. Stevenson and Dr. Pasricha, Dr. Rawat interrogated Shanti Devi at her residence in Delhi on February 3, 1986. The interview was in English. The relevant portions are as follows:

Shanti Devi: Before my death, I saw dazzling light. '. Very dazzling. Four persons, very handsome boys, with large yellow garments. They came with a square shaped vessel and sort of roomal [handkerchief] or whatever you call it. All of a sudden, light came out from the body that I was and they put this light into that vessel and took me up, up and up'
Then again these four persons came and put me in the vessel. Then they descended me a very bright staircase and then I came in a cell-dark cell.
Dr. Rawat: Who was looking to your action in this life as Lugdi Lord Krishna or Chitragupta? ([In Hindu belief, the recorder of the vices and the virtues of men. Chitragupta is the judge who sends men to heaven or hell.]
Shanti Devi: Chitragupta.

Later, on October 30, 1987, when Dr.Rawat again interviewed Shanti Devi (this time, alone), she mentioned a river and the appearances of the souls present on the fourth plane, in addition to the various details she had given previously. This interview was recorded on a videocassette:

Shanti Devi: They took me up. There was a river. It was quite clean and pure like milk.
About the appearance of the souls she said: 'they were like flames in lamps.'

[irmensul13]

You'd be good before you got a body,if you'd already had one & been judged as being good

[Mu2143]

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[irmensul13]

But the 3000 "solved" cases on file at the Uni of Virginia psychology dept dont have any correlation with ancestral lineage memories..
Two thirds though had violent deaths..it disrupts the process of forgetting somehow

[S-L]

"Your Spiritual Family is comprised of both the relationships that you have fully reclaimed thus far in your overall evolution in physical life and those relationships you are meant to reclaim now and in the future. Your Spiritual Family is your learning group."

I was surprised to see this thread about "soul groups" as I don't often come across such information. In the New Message teachings, we call them "Spiritual Family", and they are exactly as you say: people who are intrinsically connected with you. We are taught that they are basically a "learning group" on the other side. Some of them incarnate with you, others stay on the other side and act as "inner teachers" -- helping you in discrete ways. These are your elders. They have been in the world and have graduated from it, so they are in the perfect position to advise you. The goal is for everyone in your Spiritual Family to make their contribution to manifest reality, so that they can "graduate" from the world. When all of the group does this, the group can move on to other challenges, eventually joining with other groups... like tributary rivers joining together on their way back to the sea.

I may be imperfectly describing the concept of Spiritual Family, so I would like to leave you a few different links that may do a better job.

The Sacred Rendez-Vous: Striking text that discusses what it means to meet someone from your Spiritual Family while in the world.
Quotes about Spiritual Family: This is a wiki with various quotes about this topic, from all sorts of different teachings within the New Message practice. It's extensive.