March 2013 The Next Great Event in The Awakening!

[RMorgan]

Hey Carmody,

Man, your replies are always so enigmatic that most of the times they are beyond comprehension to me; Maybe it´s because my English skills are limited, or maybe it´s just your writing style.

Anyway, I like them; You´re cool.

Again, let me go straight to the point.

Example:

I weight 79 Kg > How do I know that? > I measured it on my bathroom weighting scale > What is weight? > Weight is mass times gravity >What is mass? > It is quantity of matter in an object> What is matter? > Generally speaking, it is the general term for the substance of which all observable physical objects consist. > What is gravity? > Shortly, it is the natural phenomenon by which physical bodies appear to attract each other with a force proportional to their masses. > How does my bathroom scale works? > Shortly, it has a few internal levers which transfer the force exerted by my weight to a pre-calibrated spring mechanism connected to a dial.

Of course, the above line of reasoning is very summarized, but I could go on and on and write a hundred pages detailing the many concepts behind the "I weight 79 Kg" statement.

Ok. Could someone develop a similar reasoning regarding the new ager definition of density?

I live in the third density> How do I know that? >(go on)

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
In there, you will find a good...near thousand references to studies done on the subject of 'psychic phenomena. Each study mentioned and integrated into this 'meta study of studies and meta studies' that the book is.

Thanks for the reference Carmody; I´ll put that book on my list.

Anyway, I don´t doubt at all about psychic phenomenons. I´ve experienced lots of weird things myself.

I´m only saying that this jumping to 5D ascension stuff is all fabricated speculative bollocks, possibly deliberately created to lure people into buying their books and going to their lectures.

The definition and measurements of densities, as defined by new age characters, is not only inexplicable but completely unfounded.

They can´t agree with each other about the definition of "density"; They don´t know how such "densities" were measured and distilled into a nominal table.

So, they don´t know what this "density" really is and they don´t know how to measure it; Let alone knowing how is it possible to move from one density to another and defining a whole table out of it.

This thread is five pages long and nobody could answer my questions so far.

My personal conclusion is pretty obvious; This whole stuff is invented and lots of naive people swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The "Ascension is just around the corner, dear ones" is big business.

I´m still open to change my mind if someone manages to enlighten me about this issue, though.

However, I really doubt someone would manage to do so, because so far, this whole "D" concept seems to be as solid as hot air.

Cheers,

Raf.

AM-GOD......DOG-MA (Dogmatic)

Dogma is the official system of belief or doctrine held by a religion, or a particular group or organization. It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself. They can refer to acceptable opinions of philosophers or philosophical schools, public decrees, or issued decisions of political authorities.

DOGMA
1: characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts.
2: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds.


dog·mat·ic
1. Relating to, characteristic of, or resulting from dogma.
2. Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles. See Synonyms at dictatorial.

[crosby]

my fiance and i have been discussing The Dark Towerseries by Steven King. and this is helping me to understand and wrap my head around some of this discussion. i must say, i do not have a complete understanding but i am in on the elementary level. please keep elaborating, this is very educational for me. RMorgan, i agree with where you are coming from about following an astute line of formation, but i am finding that to describe the esoteric with physical properties and scientific definitions takes it out of the esoteric field, and it would no longer exist. does that make sense? grrr. argh...... i wish i were more intelligent so that i could properly state what i mean.
warmest regards, corson

[SilentFeathers]

Here's a good one for ya Raf to chew on....

"Nothing exists unless it's first observed" (Perhaps this must apply to air, emotions, fear, etc. too)

So therefore, close your eyes and start walking through walls!

[Carmody]

Posted by corson (here)
my fiance and i have been discussing The Dark Towerseries by Steven King. and this is helping me to understand and wrap my head around some of this discussion. i must say, i do not have a complete understanding but i am in on the elementary level. please keep elaborating, this is very educational for me. RMorgan, i agree with where you are coming from about following an astute line of formation, but i am finding that to describe the esoteric with physical properties and scientific definitions takes it out of the esoteric field, and it would no longer exist. does that make sense? grrr. argh...... i wish i were more intelligent so that i could properly state what i mean.
warmest regards, corson

You are getting it just fine.

He's not encompassing the entire loop in his mind required to get the point. His frame of reference inherently excludes the points I'm making.

Explore the psychic phenomena, Raf.... that appears to be your way into this world of understanding.

If you can't find another way to get into this doorway of mental positioning... then explore what you've got.

It is not scientific to dismiss personally observed phenomena. Science is specifically NOT about projecting reality and then proving it. That... is the inherently offensive act of dogma and law as projected onto a group as a behavioral control system. Dogma-law-punishment, all the same.

REAL and ACTUAL science is about witnessing, personally witnessing phenomena, observing phenomena.

THEN..one takes that REALITY OF AN OBSERVED PHENOMENA..and tries to hypothesize a frameworks of an explanation.

Then one tries to build an inherent test of that explanation or hypothesis.

In all of that, one NEVER destroys or tears down the reality of the original observed phenomena.

This is how they managed out figure out the issue of negative results in the psychic tests in one instance... and positives in the test done by other people. It is the lesser mind that dismisses what it cannot understand. The lesser mind many times resorts to dogma and projection onto and into others.

The 'cheat' out is the attempt to dismiss things as delusion or internal bias. Real scientists do not do that. Those who live in a world of fear, dogma, law and punishment..those people resort to the attempt to explain via the 'canard' or false push of people deluding themselves (as an explaination for what they refuse to develop themselves enough to understand).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But...we've been down this road before, haven't we?

Raf, you've been given more than enough to get there, by me and members of this forum, more than enough times.

[RMorgan]

Posted by corson (here)
RMorgan, i agree with where you are coming from about following an astute line of formation, but i am finding that to describe the esoteric with physical properties and scientific definitions takes it out of the esoteric field, and it would no longer exist. does that make sense? grrr. argh...... i wish i were more intelligent so that i could properly state what i mean.
warmest regards, corson

Sure, my friend. It makes sense.

However, some folks have crossed the limits, attempting to transform abstract esoteric concepts into scientific concepts, appropriating of well established scientific precepts to embellish their pseudo-theories which, otherwise, wouldn´t have a solid foundation to stand on their own.

By doing that, they give me the right to question their concepts using scientific terms.

They talk about such ascension, dimensional or density shift as they were the ultimate truth, while, in fact, they are nothing but pseudoscientific dogmas.

I don´t like that. Superficial speculations disguised as truths are not for my taste.

Raf.

Posted by Carmody (here)
Raf, you've been given more than enough to get there, by me and members of this forum, more than enough times.

Carmody, you know I respect you man, but I disagree with you.

I´ve asked clear questions and I am expecting clear answers. No one has answered me, including you.

People don´t answer because they can´t; They know this ascension to a superior density state is inexplicable bollocks and they don´t want to admit the pseudoscientific dogmatic nature of such concept.

Runaround and evasive explanations are not and will never be enough for me. They just reinforce the lack of solidity of such belief systems.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Posted by araucaria (here)
[...]

No, so the picture of boiling a frog would seem to be half incorrect

The picture of a frog slowly brought to a boiling point -- the one to be worried about -- is totally, completely, 100% correct for the proposition I addressed.

The other proposition -- the one no one needs to worry about, apparently, if indeed it is at work -- is of no concern if real. But, it too - metaphorically, may need to bring the frog to a boil first in order to shed the effects due to the first proposition.

However, feel free to ascribe a picture/avatar to that other proposition and which would be 100% correct for that other proposition, like attempting to get Hell frozen over with CO2 extinguishers...

[araucaria]

The question of coincidence came up the other day on one of niki’s threads, I forget which one. There is always a parting of the ways on this issue, between the meaningful coincidence or synchronicity and the statistically inevitable.

Scientists will always tell you that things are often deceptively likelier than commonly thought and that even the unlikeliest things are bound to happen from time to time. They use statistical probability as a tool to detect the relevance of a finding compared to background noise. But they never explain how it actually works. To say a coincidence was statistically inevitable is totally meaningless, it carries zero information.

Statistical probabilities are a generalization based on a large number of known occurrences. They are extrapolations where none of the analytical work has been done on the particular instances. For example, in a room of fifteen people, there is likely to be two with the same birthday, but it makes every difference – and it is also much more unlikely – that one of them should happen to be you and the other some other particular individual. There may be some good reason or useful outcome from the two of you meeting in such a circumstance.

Coincidences (all statistically probable though rare) tend to increase and multiply and as they do so they become increasingly meaningful, tending generally to confirm a ‘small world’ view, in other words greater connectedness. Which is a paradox: you would think connectedness would come with generalization, but the opposite is true. The political repercussions are also immense.

[Carmody]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by corson (here)
RMorgan, i agree with where you are coming from about following an astute line of formation, but i am finding that to describe the esoteric with physical properties and scientific definitions takes it out of the esoteric field, and it would no longer exist. does that make sense? grrr. argh...... i wish i were more intelligent so that i could properly state what i mean.
warmest regards, corson

Sure, my friend. It makes sense.

However, some folks have crossed the limits, attempting to transform abstract esoteric concepts into scientific concepts, appropriating of well established scientific precepts to embellish their pseudo-theories which, otherwise, wouldn´t have a solid foundation to stand on their own.

By doing that, they give me the right to question their concepts using scientific terms.

They talk about such ascension, dimensional or density shift as they were the ultimate truth, while, in fact, they are nothing but pseudoscientific dogmas.

I don´t like that. Superficial speculations disguised as truths are not for my taste.

Raf.

Raf, that is projection. projection into and onto others for their possession of a frameworks of reality that is different from yours. Their attempt is to bring something to you, in terms you might understand.

beating them down for trying to bring something to you is a very unfair and emotional judgement. A judgement and projection that has nothing to do with being scientific.

let me be clear:

Science rises out of philosophy and science will always remain the lesser child of philosophy. Philosophy is a larger circle of logic than the entirety of science. Philosophy is subjective logic as the universe cannot be explained in it's entirety by objective analysis. Yet, subjective logic can still function with objective logic inside of it.

This is the failure of objective science when it comes to explaining and dealing with these highly subjective situations. Subjective situations which cannot be broken down into pure objectivity.

Scientific designs (mindsets and reasoning) on remaining in Pure objectivity is a push from the emotions, into the group mind. 'Objectivity for all' is actually a very dangerous and dogmatic principle.

Science does not own reality, nor can it speak for it. Objectivity does not own or control reality.


Some quotes to help you. After that I'm done..

I respect a need to find truth in things, as I observe and hold in that, in myself, at all times.

But... sooner or later .....new truths require a change in the observer, in order for the observer to understand those new truths.

Recognizing when that is happening is key to calling anything in the realm of investigation as being science.

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Jiddu Krishnamurti Quotes on Truth:

Now, I am not opposed to organizations, but I hold that no organization can lead man to truth. Yet all religious societies, sects, and groups are based on the idea that man can be guided to truth. Organizations should exist for the welfare of man, organizations not divided by nationalities, by class distinctions.

First of all, to understand truth you must stand alone, entirely and wholly alone. No Master, no teacher, no guru, no system, no self-discipline will ever lift for you the veil which conceals wisdom. Wisdom is the understanding of enduring values and the living of those values. No one can lead you to wisdom.

To find out what is truth there must be great love and a deep awareness of man's relationship to all things- which means that one is not concerned with one's own progress and achievements. The search for truth is true religion, and the man who is seeking truth is the only religious man.

The search for truth gives an explosive creativeness to the mind, which is true revolution, because in this search the mind is uncontaminated by the edicts and sanctions of society. Being free of all that, the religious man is able to find out what is true; and it is the discovery of what is true from moment to moment that creates a new culture.

Truth has no tradition, it cannot be handed down.

Truth is the unknown, and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it, for mind is made up of the known.

For the discovery of truth there is no path. You must enter the uncharted sea.

Truth can only come to the mind that is empty of the known. It comes in a state in which the known is absent, not functioning.

Introspection, which is a form of self-improvement, of self-expansion, can never lead to truth, because it is always a process of self-enclosure; whereas awareness is a state in which truth can come into being, the truth of what is, the simple truth of daily existence. It is only when we understand the truth of daily existence that we can go far. You must begin near to go far but most of us want to jump, to begin far without understanding what is close. As we understand the near, we shall find the distance between the near and the far is not. There is no distance - the beginning and the end are one.

Belief is a denial of truth, belief hinders truth; to believe in God is not to find God. Neither the believer nor the non-believer will find God; because reality is the unknown, and your belief or non-belief in the unknown is merely a self-projection and therefore not real.

There is no path to truth. There is not your path or my path. There is no Christian way to it, or Hindu way to it. A 'way' implies a static process to something which is also static. There is a way from here to that next village, the village is firmly there, rooted in the buildings, and there is a road to it. But truth is not like that, it is a living thing, a moving thing and therefore there can be no path to it, neither yours nor mine nor theirs.

If I want to know the truth, I begin to inquire, and before I can know the truth of anything, I must have confidence. To have confidence, I must inquire into myself and remove those causes that prevent each experience from giving its full significance.

The man who is seeking comfort does not want truth; he only wants security, safety, a refuge in which he will not be disturbed. But a man who is seeking truth must invite disturbances, tribulations because it is only in moments of crisis that there is alertness, watchfulness, action. Then only that which is is discovered and understood.

Truth can come to you only when your mind and heart are simple, clear, and there is love in your heart, not if your heart is filled with the things of the mind. When there is love in your heart, you do not talk about organizing for brotherhood, you do not talk about belief, you do not talk about division or the powers that create division, you need not seek reconciliation. Then you are a simple human being without a label, without a country. This means that you must strip yourself of all those things and allow truth to come into being, and it can come only when the mind is empty, when the mind ceases to create. Then it will come without your invitation. Then it will come as swiftly as the wind and unbeknown. It comes obscurely, not when you are watching, wanting. It is there as sudden as sunlight, as pure as the night, but to receive it, the heart must be full and the mind empty.

- See more at: http://www.buddhasangha.com/jkrishna....hV9Gbkyi.dpuf

[crosby]

Quantum Odyssey, have you had other sessions where the outcome or description was similar? and is this happening with other people who perform these sessions as well?
warmest regards, corson

[Hervé]

There is a fundamental problem in the scientific method that's been expounded by Carmody and that is: the repeatability of an exact same result under identical conditions.

The crux of scientific experiments on psychic phenomena reside on "identical conditions" since said conditions of the experiments involve duplicating the exact, indentical mindsets around the experiment: THOUGHTS HAVE TO BE THE IDENTICAL SAME!

If the experimenter has counter-thoughts to the results obtained by the experimentee, after a few attempts the experimentee/subject of investigation is gona end up subconsciouly saying something like "To hell with it!"

In other words, the influence of the observer onto the observed.

Hence... mind control...

[RMorgan]

I´m not discussing the psychic phenomena here, nor its relationship with science.

I´m discussing the possibility of a human being evolving to another "density", which by itself, isn´t even a phenomena, because it was never observed. Let alone the fact the nobody even know what such "density" really is in the first place.

phe·nom·e·na (-n)
1. An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.

Are UFOs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are ghosts a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Is telepathy a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are OBEs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.

Is ascension a phenomena? No. There are no indicators nor any reliable empirical, circumstantial,concrete or even anecdotal evidence pointing that any individual or group of human beings ever ascended to another dimension or density.

Is "density" as referred by new agers a phenomena? No. Nobody in the whole world had never observed or measured it.

So, this subject doesn´t even belong to the psychic phenomena field, because it isn´t a even phenomena by itself.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Abductions?

... you know... from being in bed to being on an operating table aboard an "alien" craft... wouldn't that fall under the "Ascension" phenomenon?

[Kiforall]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
I´m not discussing the psychic phenomena here, nor its relationship with science.

I´m discussing the possibility of a human being evolving to another "density", which by itself, isn´t even a phenomena, because it was never observed. Let alone the fact the nobody even know what such "density" really is in the first place.

phe·nom·e·na (-n)
1. An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.

Are UFOs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are ghosts a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Is telepathy a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are OBEs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.

Is ascension a phenomena? No. There are no indicators nor any reliable empirical, circumstantial,concrete or even anecdotal evidence pointing that any individual or group of human beings ever ascended to another dimension or density.

Is "density" as referred by new agers a phenomena? No. Nobody in the whole world had never observed or measured it.

So, this subject doesn´t even belong to the psychic phenomena field, because it isn´t a even phenomena by itself.

Raf.

I can relate to the issues here, the descriptions of density levels can change from one persons view to another. Even two members on one thread who seem to have travelled in the different densities in OBE but they differ.
They don't seem to care, they know through experience, their own individual experience.

I suggest they would have never got above 3d if they had been questioning what these densities are in a measurable way.

I see how it seems irresponsible for people to claim to know the densities and sell their ideas to people but they do and people read it.
I see how some people may read it and see it as gospel truth but this is channelled info anyway, at least most of DC's density info.

That's the only issue I see, that it may not come across as theory to the reader but at some point they will understand and that's the point in all this, how to observe and not get bogged down in things that really are not important. I think letting go is important.

[Carmody]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
I´m not discussing the psychic phenomena here, nor its relationship with science.

I´m discussing the possibility of a human being evolving to another "density", which by itself, isn´t even a phenomena, because it was never observed. Let alone the fact the nobody even know what such "density" really is in the first place.

phe·nom·e·na (-n)
1. An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.

Are UFOs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are ghosts a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Is telepathy a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are OBEs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.

Is ascension a phenomena? No. There are no indicators nor any reliable empirical, circumstantial,concrete or even anecdotal evidence pointing that any individual or group of human beings ever ascended to another dimension or density.

Is "density" as referred by new agers a phenomena? No. Nobody in the whole world had never observed or measured it.

So, this subject doesn´t even belong to the psychic phenomena field, because it isn´t a even phenomena by itself.

Raf.

Raf, I'm listening to what they are saying. Nothing more.

I'm not saying it is garbage, and I'm not saying that it is not real.

I'm just listening.

As for it being said that it is not real, that is a judgement call by you. and that is you not the evidence, not the data, nothing. just you.

I'm not urging anyone forward into anything.

At the same time I'm not playing a game where I'm dismissing it.

You Raf, you don't know one way or the other. Truly, you do not. Dismissing it means you are engaging negative proofing which is objective science in the form of projection.

I am personally not going to give them a difficult time as they can't prove anything to me in an objective fashion. That would be foolish. As foolish as believing it without using my own filters.

I cannot be someone else's filter. I'm asking you to be sensible and not be someone else's filter. It is really very simple.

edit: then there is this book, called 'the field'. We can say that you don't know about it, so..therefore....you don't know 'everything'. Even though it is just one simple book, however good it may be.

To conclusively say that you can dismiss what they say in this thread, you'd have to have read and understood..AND have personal experiences in these areas. Yet, you do not.

Therefore you can listen, but, by all attempts at logic, you cannot dismiss it. You can dismiss it if you wish, but that would be an emotional judgement based in feelings. For you have no data in these areas, do you?

I can chose to listen or not listen ---but I cannot prove ....nor can I dismiss.

[greybeard]

What started as a simple uplifting thread became very complex.
I think Jesus said "Even the wisest of my disciples will enter heaven by faith alone"
Also--"In the twinkling of an eye there will be a new heaven and a new earth"

I listened To David Sereda some time back and he explained why it is possible for a planet to divide in two.
Cell division.
Dolores Cannon claims that the earth will divide into old earth and new earth.
I dont have an opinion on this--- I dont know what is possible in reality.
This is the first and second part of a Coast to Coast interview.
The interview is several years old but the principal may still be so.
Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sNgUdg2NAmc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jjMo2vf5pwA

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey Carmody,

Man, your replies are always so enigmatic that most of the times they are beyond comprehension to me; Maybe it´s because my English skills are limited, or maybe it´s just your writing style.

Well, it's likely not your English skills, because my English is quite good (and good thing it is, as I speak no other language), but Carmody can mystify me too .

Posted by RMorgan (here)
I weight 79 Kg > How do I know that? > I measured it on my bathroom weighting scale > What is weight? > Weight is mass times gravity >What is mass? > It is quantity of matter in an object> What is matter? > Generally speaking, it is the general term for the substance of which all observable physical objects consist. > What is gravity? > Shortly, it is the natural phenomenon by which physical bodies appear to attract each other with a force proportional to their masses. > How does my bathroom scale works? > Shortly, it has a few internal levers which transfer the force exerted by my weight to a pre-calibrated spring mechanism connected to a dial.

I do science a little bit differently than what I understand (or misunderstand) of how Carmody does it.

My direct experiences that I am conscious of are apparently quite a bit more limited than Carmody reports, so I form intuitive, partially non-verbal, models explaining what I hear read others reporting, and gradually extend those models to encompass more and more of these reports (after dismissing most of them as "er eh .. I don't think so.")

My strength, so I like to imagine, is that I don't mind holding multiple contradictory notions in my head, and I don't mind noticing evidence of affairs that I have no coherent conscious explanation for yet.

When I get to the point where some part of my evolving partially non-verbal model is explainable to myself and seems to "fit together well" and "make sense of" a variety of reports and observations, then I figure I'm getting somewhere.

In this particular case of mass, gravity, and energy, I am forming a half-baked model that I'm getting rather fond of.

In the ordinary physics of our time, as I learned in school, mass is the fundamental "stuff" of the universe, and energy (electro-magnetic, gravity, strong and weak forces) comes in fields that we observe by its effects on mass (such as on our measuring instruments and eyeballs.) Fancier physics, but still conventional by our public standards, allows for converting between mass and energy, at the notorious rate of E = mc2.

Also in this ordinary physics, time is measured by the rates of certain physical processes, such as the frequency of a cesium beam. And, as you observe, gravity is measured by its effect on mass.

So ... in this conventional view, it all boils down to watching mass get battered around by fields of unspecified nature, but elaborately modeled behavior.

After various readings, especially of Paul LaViolette, Joseph P. Farrell, and Carmody, I am forming a quite different view of "stuff." Not necessarily a view any of those people would agree with, but one informed by what I have gained from reading (or misreading) them.

It seems to me that "observable mass", such as can effect the energy fields that in turn effect our lab instruments, is itself a manifestation of underlying twisting, turning, vortical activity ... of just what is unclear and perhaps the wrong question to ask!

That twisting activity can manifest as the ordinary protons, neutrons, and electrons of "mass" as we usually know it, and as the effects of "energy fields" on that mass, but it need not so manifest. Under sufficiently intense (or at least well positioned) and actively moving electro-magnetic fields, the amount of mass manifest by a certain amount of this twisting activity can change. "Things" can get heavier or lighter, even weightless, and quite possibly even seem to vanish and appear elsewhere. Sensate beings can interact with this underlying reality that is hidden (by our "conventional education") behind the notions of mass and energy described by conventional physics. These allows for conveying thoughts and feelings across space, time and apparent death, as these thoughts and feelings drift in and out of expression in the world known to our conventional physics. Some aspects of our present "here and now" being are complex living entities that inherently exist in the structure of this underlying reality, and need not always manifest via a physical human body.

Here's an October 2010 interview of Joseph P. Farrell that I just noticed and am listening to now. It is two hours long, available as a ten part playlist on Youtube: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ky1Rc...86BB11F64050EA and apparently will discuss amongst many other items Farrell's April 2009 book The Philosopher's Stone: Alchemy and the Secret Research for Exotic Matter. I'm reading that book now and it's quite good. It provides one more view into this more encompassing physics.

[Wind]

I found another interesting QHHT session:
http://www.matthewmarnitz.com/blog/2...aken-humanity/

Also this is an interesting article:
http://www.transients.info/2012/12/g...s-trigger.html

I suppose that in one week we will see.

I personally do still believe in miracles like ascension, but I think that the word ascension means a great shift in human consciousness. I'm not sure that how physical phenomenom it is, but it seems that it will totally change some people. Why not all? Because of soul levels, some are ready and some are not. There is no judgement in that. Nothing would be so cool than a shift from this trash can to a better world, but I don't blindly believe in dates anymore. At this level of consciousness we are really limited, but on the next level we will no longer perceive the world negatively. 4th dimensional world is paradise on Earth. Even then we will still be students of life and learning never stops.

I do really hope that something would happen, but we will have to see. I absolutely do believe that miraculous moments of consciousness expading collectively do exits.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
"Things" can get heavier or lighter, even weightless, and quite possibly even seem to vanish and appear elsewhere.

Listening now to what Farrell says in the 7th and 8th video in that playlist ... pay attention to what he calls "Torsion Field Physics", which is one (of many) names for this more encompassing physics.

In addition to things getting lighter or heavier (as their interaction with what we call gravity change or even disappears), also the frequencies of physical processes, such as the tuning fork in the Accutron watch (that Farrell mentions Hoagland working with) and cesium beam frequencies change, substantially, even just in the vicinity of some Pyramids. These pyramids are manifesting physical effects, on the "stuff" known to our conventional physics (such as a tuning fork) which are completely unexplained by that conventional physics.

I do not view these strange effects as going to some other "dimension" or "density". I don't really understand this use of those words. I view these effects as ones which a more complete physics can explain, but which our currently conventional physics cannot explain. These phenomenon involve more than just the mass and energy modeled by conventional physics. A more complete physics, such as what Farrell discusses under the name "torsion physics", can better explain more aspects of what's in our physical universe, including aspects not manifest as either mass or the fields we normally consider as interacting with mass.

[greybeard]

The transcript... it comes from the same person (Carla Rueckert) that channeled RA in the Law of One. I Q'uo is the name of the group that came across through the channeling and they are the same group as RA. Q'uo is basically an extension of the Law of One.

G: Thank you very much, Q’uo. I found that very helpful. M writes, “I would like to ask Q’uo what is the fate of the veil on this planet beginning in 2013 and continuing in time thereafter? Will it gradually dissolve? If so, at approximately what rate? Please describe how this occurrence will affect the planet and the third-density entities upon it as much as you can without infringing on the Law of Confusion. Thank you.”

We are those of Q’uo, and we thank the one known as M for this query. When one is, as you are, possessed of physical senses which perceive a physical world, it is completely understandable that you would not necessarily grasp the concept that all apparently solid objects are actually fields of energy. As fields of energy, the closest that they come to matter is small fields of energy within the larger and encompassing field of energy which are called atoms. However, from your scientists you have received the information that even these points of matter, so called, are in fact energy fields, that matter has never been seen by your keenest telescope. Rather, it is the path of energy that is seen. And you know from your scientists that an atom consists almost entirely of space. We mention these scientific facts to you so that you may begin to wrap your mind around the concept of the nested densities of the creation.

Third-density Earth is nested within fourth-density Earth. It is not the same Earth as fourth-density Earth. Third-density Earth will not become fourth-density Earth, any more than first-density Earth became second-density Earth, or second-density Earth became third-density Earth. These densities are nested in such a way as to occupy the same area or influence within space/time and time/space, held lovingly by the overarching energy field of your sun.

Third-density Earth is an Earth whose light is waning. While it will remain third-density, it will no longer support third-density entities in their seeking of the truth. Thusly, third density is shortly to become inactive, we would say, within three or four hundred of your years beyond 2012. Thusly, 2013 upon your planet will look very much like 2012 upon your planet. However, you will find that your population of entities grows more and more interested and fascinated with the reparation of the Earth and the healing of what you call your Mother Earth or Gaia.
Those who incarnate at this time upon Planet Earth, that is, after 2012, will be those whose experiences in other incarnations have carried with them an element of adhering karma because of the destruction of their Earth whether it be this Earth and the destruction of Atlantis, or Maldek, or Mars, or several other Earths that created an uninhabitable third-density planet and thusly needed to finish third density upon Planet Earth. There are quite a few millions of those who feel that desire at this time to be part of the healing of the Mother. And there is great joy in contemplating that healing.

Fourth-density Earth is an entirely different sphere, within which third density is nested. And as fourth-density light becomes that which your sun is capable of offering, that fourth-density Earth shall more and more become populated by those from third-density Earth who have graduated in a positive sense and wish to move on. It will be a long time before entities who are inhabiting third density will be able to see entities of fourth density. However, they are as real and as physical, shall we say, to themselves and to fourth-density Earth as you are to your Earth.
We realize that this is one of the less comfortable or naturally obvious concepts having to do with the concept of densities. It is natural for a person to think that this same Earth upon which your feet make footsteps shall become fourth density and that on this same Earth, fourth density shall take place. However, we would suggest to you that it is much like wanting to take your physical body with you when you pass from physical life upon this planet and hoping to drag what this instrument would call this chemical distillery of a body into fourth density and attempt to lug it around when everyone else is dancing with a much lighter and electrically driven rather than chemically driven body.

We thank all of those who asked these queries this evening. It is a great joy to us to feel that this group which sits within these modest walls has become quite large in its actual size. The reason that this is a delight to us is not because we want to attract followers or to become bigger, but rather because it is the nature of groups such as this one that you are lighthouses. And each entity doubles the energy of the entity next to you, so that even in a very modest group, you are creating a focus of light, a focus of intention and hope, that is exponentially greater than any of you could create by yourselves. And when you add all of those who are not physically in this room but who have moved into the energy of this particular circle of seeking by the questioning that they offer, then that lighthouse energy becomes exponentially greater. So, we thank each of those from wherever those queries came upon your globe and appreciate greatly the increase of light that occurs from those who are visiting in thought with this sitting circle.

It has been a privilege and a great pleasure to speak through this instrument and to share the meditation of this group. We leave you, as we found you, in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator. We are known to you as the principle of Q’uo. Adonai. Adonai vasu borragus.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcript...2010_0213.aspx

Ps
I had to delete one line as it was a poor paste job that implied that I had read The Law of One. I havent

The credit for the info lies with Rosie who sent the information to me.

Thanks Rosie.

Chris