March 2013 The Next Great Event in The Awakening!

[greybeard]

For the scientists amongst us and those who are interested to see where science meets spirituality

This is in line with the topic of the thread as it shows possibilities.

Chris

Published on 3 Mar 2013

Author and ufologist David Sereda returned to the show to illuminate the correlations between theoretical physics and spiritual wisdom. He pointed out how the duality of human nature-- such as good and evil, is mirrored in the atomic structure with its positive and negative components. Yet, light, he said, is the only particle in physics that is non-dual or "single" even though it does encounter inertia.

Relating this to the spiritual, Sereda noted that Jesus said: "If thine ye be single, thy whole body shall be filled with light." He also cited the paper of physicist Paul Dirac, The Equation of the Sea of Negative Energy (view Don Hotson's article --PDF file-- on this topic), as first presenting the discovery of "Singularity." In such a place, duality, time and conflict no longer exist, Sereda explained.

While individuals might move towards the Singularity through prayer and meditation, he said eventually there could be a physics model for such a concept, which could allow spaceships to enter into it and travel to locations in our galaxy much faster than the current speed of light.

Biography:

David Sereda's first aspiration in life was to become an astronaut. In 1968, David and a friend witnessed a UFO along with hundreds of other witnesses. After this experience, David grew up as a UFO enthusiast never living in doubt of the phenomena that has swept the world since the Roswell incident in 1947. His interest in space, religion, philosophy, astronomy and science led him on his career in related fields. He has worked deeply in high technology, on environmental and humanitarian issues and as a professional photographer for over 20 years. He has studied world religion, science, physics and paranormal psychology for over 25 years.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yQkjryCflQU

[araucaria]

Words used interchangeably like dimension or density reflect the inadequacy of language in describing phenomena beyond our five-sense perceptions. We can conceptualize three dimensions from a two-dimensional drawing. But it takes an artist like Bernini to allow us to conceptualize four dimensions from a three-dimensional sculpture, the fourth being time, in his Apollo and Daphne. Daphne is turned into a laurel bush when Apollo’s advances become too pressing. If you walk round the statue in an anti-clockwise direction (which this video fails to do), you will see this actually happening, with more and more bush and less and less Daphne.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=e3RSRrUL1Os

To take this process one step further can only involve extrapolation. It is highly likely that what we may call the fifth ‘dimension’ is not a dimension at all as we know it, or a density, whatever that is, and yet we can imagine a hologram changing over time as being a simplified representation of some higher order of reality. Since ‘a hologram changing over time’ is one possible description of our present reality, we are basically just carrying on where Plato left off with his cave, still devising analogies for what is really going on.



Einstein’s famous equation is a scientific example of this. In a universe where nothing can go faster than light (U ≤ mc), the very concept of c² has to be an import from some other universe. Which is why it is theorized that the physical realization of this concept, namely the atom bomb, actually split open the fabric of our spacetime. Science on its own can be a dangerous thing.

[RMorgan]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Words used interchangeably like dimension or density reflect the inadequacy of language in describing phenomena beyond our five-sense perceptions.

Hey araucaria,

The thing is, if it´s beyond our observation capabilities, it isn´t even a phenomena, by definition.

If it´s beyond our observation capabilities, who conceptualized such ideas and how?

I´ll tell you; The contemporary new ager definition and conceptualizations of density came mostly from a single source, which is "The Law of One", a series of channeled books, which states:

The first density is the density of the elements (Earth, Wind, Fire, Water) (physical matter such as atoms, molecules, rocks, metals, liquids, gases).
The second density is the density of organic life: plants, animals, bacteria, etc.
The third density is the density which human beings inhabit. It is the density of self-awareness. It is also the density of duality/polarity.
The fourth density is the density of love and like all subsequent densities, is inhabited by mind/body/spirit complexes of a higher level of spiritual evolution than human beings on present day Earth.
The fifth density is the density of light or wisdom.
The sixth density is the density of unity consciousness, where love and wisdom unite, where all polarities unite.
The seventh density is the gateway density, the last density before mind/body/spirit complexes merge back into the Creator.
The eighth density is the beginning of the next octave.

From there, several new age gurus started to add their own ideas to "improve" the concept.

That´s why no one is able to explain the fundamental principles behind such concept, because it started from channeled material and from there, several new agers created their own versions as they pleased.

So, to believe in such concepts will depend if you believe the legitimacy of channeled materials or not, specially the Law of One.

It all falls into the realm of dogmas and beliefs.

Personally, I don´t believe channeled material for several reasons:

-Hearing voices in your mind may be a symptom of mental illness, such as schizophrenia.
-People might actually be channeling their own subconsciousness.
-People often fabricate channeled material for financial or other selfish purposes.
-The level of disagreement and incoherence between several sources of channeled material is incredibly high.
-The number of documented failed predictions involving channeled material is simply outstanding.
-Mind control weapons might be involved in the process of channeling. This is a very real possibility.
-Ultimately, even if some channelers are legit, there´s no way to verify the authenticity of the spiritual source; It might be a bad entity disguised as a good one.

So, in my opinion, channeled material is not even close to be a reliable source of information. I wouldn´t bet the future of mankind on it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Delight]

I am not able to understand much but I know some things (and knowing is for the self). And I love seeking knowledge.
What do the geniuses know? I want to learn from the REAL masters.

Below I reference Gregg Braden but I do not see him as a master but a seeker who gathers information. Many others are that....they find information and pass it on.

"The quality of our beliefs while we are are observing the world around us" is "a quantum essence" according to Gregg Braden here.


Source: Watch on Vimeo



And Edgar Cayce once said" Mind is the Builder".

Far from dead matter made and laid down, the real is a continuing motion and we shape into form what it appears to be.

This is quite aligned with Walter Russell because the main belief he sees left out of the picture which has completely obfuscated reality is the role of Creation. It wasn't a Big Bang but an unfolding and refolding of light and we shape its out picturing. Russell says this at the first of his year long course. We must each meditate to access Creator and the process of creation that we participate within. Genius has appeared to be associated with constant communion with "light", not physical light but a sentience within the heart.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XeCbDu8SeHI

Look at these great scientists, in addition to Walter Russell who ABSOLUTELY met the mind of God.... they all attributed their knowledge to Nature, God, Angels information given in Silent communion. Each brought forth new knowledge... not argumentative derivative and dead repetition of the Ego but deep refreshment.

I am not very scientific but i am a terrier when it comes to digging the difference between gold and brass. These authorities I have found on the one to one relationship of Hu Man and Creator are gold. They don't say what to know but how to know. Whgatever happens to mankind, the ones who know how to connect with Creator will re-invent the wheel if necessary...

1. George Washington Carver
2. Victor Schauberger
3. Nicolai Tesla
4. Luther Burbank
5. Hildegard Von Bingen

Sure, I would like to see a blue wave of truth spreading. But I appreciate that I am not constantly in my own communion with Creator's field.... takes 100% focus to hear the silence.

[araucaria]

Raf, the belief/disbelief paradigm, I don't go there. I just sift through thoughts and feelings, channelled from wherever, often off my computer screen, sometimes straight out my own head (at least that's what I tell myself ), and all of which are possibly not observations, but they are perceptions.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
It seems to me that "observable mass", such as can effect the energy fields that in turn effect our lab instruments, is itself a manifestation of underlying twisting, turning, vortical activity ... of just what is unclear and perhaps the wrong question to ask!

On page 152 of Farrell's April 2009 book The Philosopher's Stone: Alchemy and the Secret Research for Exotic Matter, Farrell quotes Wilcock quoting Tesla:

Tesla, Wilcock notes, stated in 1891 that the physical medium "behaves as a fluid to solid bodies, and as a solid to light and heat." Moreover, with "sufficiently high voltage and frequency" the medium itself could be accessed.

What I described as "underlying twisting, turning, vortical activity" is what this quote calls the physical medium. This medium is not an electro-magnetic field; rather manipulation of electro-magnetic fields provides one of the ways we can manipulate the medium.

As an interesting aside, note that the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics are nothing more nor less than postulates mandating that there is no such underlying medium except what manifests as the mass and energy studied by conventional physics. Outside of a proof by contradiction, the phrase "assume that which was to be proven" is not considered sound reasoning in mathematics .

[Youniverse]

Funny how whenever you get some positive information that resonates with some, you always get somebody giving it a negative twist. You guys realize this world IS an ILLUSION don't you? The ones that keep grasping for the most sophisticated scientific explanations are entirely too serious and stuck in their heads. Lighten up please you guys! I mean that with all due respect. All these opinions and analogies and positions ultimately mean very little. I know that many of you know this and practice it on a daily basis. Some of us are way too serious(I've been there done that) about this video game or amusement park we're in. This is your game icon talking, with the odd glimpse at the REAL person manning the controls. There's such a great message in the OP of this thread and some are overanalyzing the heck out of it instead of taking or leaving it. If it sounds like BS to you then leave it alone and let others enjoy it.

Part of the message of the OP is to get our selves out of the way so the divine can do its thing. We don't need to beat this to death. As I said I've been there with the over-intellectualizing and analysis. I have OCD and I know that mental noise can drive you up the wall. So why do all the most enlightened masters rave about the power of meditation? Cause they're trying to help us get out of this compulsive thinking. All these stories that keep us trapped in a certain kind of world. We don't need them. I like what Niszagardatta said about what we call our 'lives', chalk it up to a dream and set it aside. We talk alot about our dreams but is our waking life any less of a dream? No. As far as the illusions we create and interact with, it is no less of a dream.

I'm not discounting science by any means. I enjoy it equally with spirituality. However, only when the two unite will there be any kind of clarity, and along with that there will always be things unexplained. One cannot validate spiritual phenomena with science. It would be like trying to validate science with spirituality. The latter sounds ridiculous right? So why wouldn't the former? For some reason, many people have come to the conclusion that the spiritual world is scientifically verifiable, and if it isn't, it should be. WHY??? Why would something that is not subject to the laws of science be verifiable through scientific tools or reasoning? At best you will get an implication. No explication however. Let go and let God.

I just wanted to add that this is a wonderful thread IMHO. My words are not stating how it is, rather simply my opinion of course. Bless all of you my sisters and brothers!

[greybeard]

Amen Youniverse.
The longest distance is head to heart.
In the David Sereda video I posted--there is full and credible scientific explanation of how the illusion works.
That illusion is called duality, reality is singularity.
We seem to me moving towards Unity Consciousness.

Chris

[Youniverse]

Oh and I forgot to mention. Some of us are still operating very much with the assumptions or belief in SEPERATENESS(as if the so-called OTHERS are so very apart from you). That is okay and I honour that for it has been created by many eons of conditioning. So when we get into these discussions about the PTB or Illuminati or some outside influence, we are actually talking about an aspect of the self that has kept us trapped in a certain kind of reality. This is why some of the message in the OP may not make any sense to some. I've spent the greater part of my life stuck in that same kind of mode so I certainly wouldn't talk down to anyone in it. I empathize greatly with those frustrated by the kind of suffering we've all been subject to. WE are all responsible! Yes you too! When we play the blame game we cut ourselves off from the power and flow of the universe. I've been guilty of getting caught up in some of these discussions about the PTB. The truth is, I feel, those kinds of thoughts and words just waste more time in a lower frequency. It's the EGO needing to be right again, and making the 'other' wrong. When we approach ALL as ourself we find real solutions rather than conflict(which the ego lives by).

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The blue light engages the reptilian hindbrain, via the peripheral vision,the original design of the base avatar system. Our original vision/reptile/base system.

It opens the door between base avatar programming and consciousness programming. It is the avatar/dimensional programming/knowing/opening doorway.

The interested reader may find this earlier post of Carmody's to be relevant: The Question of Lithium (Post #229)

I've begun to notice that I can pick up a glass or utensil from the kitchen counter without looking directly at it. My conscience and eyes can be focused on something else, and my hand will go precisely to the right place to grasp the item, without hesitation or feeling about.

I suspect that this is using my peripheral vision and my reptilian or some other below conscious part of my brain, to guide my hand. Probably some less klutzy people notice this about 60 years earlier in their life than I did .

[RMorgan]

Posted by Youniverse (here)
Funny how whenever you get some positive information that resonates with some, you always get somebody giving it a negative twist.

Hey mate,

Negative is not the right word. I´m not negative in any sense. Probably, "inquisitive twist" would be more adequate.

inquisitive:  
1. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious: an inquisitive mind.

Posted by Youniverse (here)
If it sounds like BS to you then leave it alone and let others enjoy it.

I think this forum is a place to share ideas, perspectives and openly and politely discuss all sorts of things.

If everybody just replied to threads they already agree with, we all would be intellectually and spiritually stagnant.

There´s no development of knowledge without opposition. Besides, refutation is the best way to either prove or disprove a theory.

Posted by Youniverse (here)
One cannot validate spiritual phenomena with science.

Yes, science can either validate and refute spiritual/mystical/esoteric phenomena. It can even refute and validate simultaneously!

In fact, this is one of the most important roles of science.

Tell me, how many previously spiritual concepts were refuted by science?

The sun, rain, fire, moon, planets, plagues, lightning and countless other previously considered spiritual/mystical phenomena were demystified by science.

Does it invalidate them? Absolutely not. Despite being refuted, they continue to exist and are more valid than ever because they were brought to the realm of the known.

If it wasn´t for science, we would still be living in caves, believing that the sun is a god and Earth was held in place by a giant turtle or something like that.

Spiritual, esoteric and mystical are all definitions of the unknown; There will always be the unknown.

However, given the proper time, science will always shed light on the current unknowns, refuting some and confirming others, giving space for more complex unknowns. This process will go on and on indefinitely.

Anyway, we´re already on March; Soon it will be April and then we will know better. Probably, nothing regarding a "great awakening" will happen, then we will hear the same evasive excuses, then someone else will make another prediction thread and we will debate the same issues over and over again.

Raf.

[Youniverse]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Youniverse (here)
Funny how whenever you get some positive information that resonates with some, you always get somebody giving it a negative twist.

Hey mate,

Negative is not the right word. I´m not negative in any sense. Probably, "inquisitive twist" would be more adequate.

inquisitive:  
1. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious: an inquisitive mind.

Posted by Youniverse (here)
If it sounds like BS to you then leave it alone and let others enjoy it.

I think this forum is a place to share ideas, perspectives and openly and politely discuss all sorts of things.

If everybody just replied to threads they already agree with, we all would be intellectually and spiritually stagnant.

There´s no development of knowledge without opposition. Besides, refutation is the best way to either prove or disprove a theory.

Posted by Youniverse (here)
One cannot validate spiritual phenomena with science.

Yes, science can either validate and refute spiritual/mystical/esoteric phenomena. It can even refute and validate simultaneously!

In fact, this is one of the most important roles of science.

Tell me, how many previously spiritual concepts were refuted by science?

The sun, rain, fire, moon, planets, plagues, lightning and countless other previously considered spiritual/mystical phenomena were demystified by science.

Does it invalidate them? Absolutely not. Despite being refuted, they continue to exist and are more valid than ever because they were brought to the realm of the known.

If it wasn´t for science, we would still be living in caves, believing that the sun is a god and Earth was held in place by a giant turtle or something like that.

Spiritual, esoteric and mystical are all definitions of the unknown; There will always be the unknown.

However, given the proper time, science will always shed light on the current unknowns, refuting some and confirming others, giving space for more complex unknowns. This process will go on and on indefinitely.

Anyway, we´re already on March; Soon it will be April and then we will know better. Probably, nothing regarding a "great awakening" will happen, then we will hear the same evasive excuses, then someone else will make another prediction thread and we will debate the same issues over and over again.

Raf.

You totally missed the point I was making but that's okay . And what you call refuting by science of the way ancient peoples described natural phenomenon, is a science biased perspective of the past. Just because one does not describe things the same way scientists nowadays do, doesn't mean they were clueless or less knowledgable. Some ancients perhaps were and others were likely much wiser than any scientists today. But if you only think in a linear sense you will disagree. You seem to think I was attacking science even though I said I like science alot. There are many other things I could debate with you in your reaction to my post but arguing isn't my style anymore. And I don't have any problems with anyone sharing whatever opinions they have in any post. We'll just have to disagree on the science validating or verifying spirituality and vice versa and probably many other things, That's okay too. Much love and blessings to you my brother!

[crosby]

i am so hoping that Quantum Odyssey will return to this thread and continue on with the conversation she intended. i think that one way to discover and uncover phenomenon that we do not understand is too continue to research it and discuss it. the topic is fascinating (to me, at least) and i would love to explore it further.
warmest regards, corson

[Carmody]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Youniverse (here)
Funny how whenever you get some positive information that resonates with some, you always get somebody giving it a negative twist.

Hey mate,

Negative is not the right word. I´m not negative in any sense. Probably, "inquisitive twist" would be more adequate.

inquisitive:  
1. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious: an inquisitive mind.

Posted by Youniverse (here)
If it sounds like BS to you then leave it alone and let others enjoy it.

I think this forum is a place to share ideas, perspectives and openly and politely discuss all sorts of things.

If everybody just replied to threads they already agree with, we all would be intellectually and spiritually stagnant.

There´s no development of knowledge without opposition. Besides, refutation is the best way to either prove or disprove a theory.

Posted by Youniverse (here)
One cannot validate spiritual phenomena with science.

Yes, science can either validate and refute spiritual/mystical/esoteric phenomena. It can even refute and validate simultaneously!

In fact, this is one of the most important roles of science.

Tell me, how many previously spiritual concepts were refuted by science?

The sun, rain, fire, moon, planets, plagues, lightning and countless other previously considered spiritual/mystical phenomena were demystified by science.

Does it invalidate them? Absolutely not. Despite being refuted, they continue to exist and are more valid than ever because they were brought to the realm of the known.

If it wasn´t for science, we would still be living in caves, believing that the sun is a god and Earth was held in place by a giant turtle or something like that.

Spiritual, esoteric and mystical are all definitions of the unknown; There will always be the unknown.

However, given the proper time, science will always shed light on the current unknowns, refuting some and confirming others, giving space for more complex unknowns. This process will go on and on indefinitely.

Anyway, we´re already on March; Soon it will be April and then we will know better. Probably, nothing regarding a "great awakening" will happen, then we will hear the same evasive excuses, then someone else will make another prediction thread and we will debate the same issues over and over again.

Raf.

Raf, if we don't debate these things, nothing will ever happen.

If those threads fail to occur, there will never be any change.

if you want a world without those threads, it would be a very dead world, with automatons and machines as people.

Why don't you just give it up now?

The crazy seeming stuff is REQUIRED in order to show that change is necessary. The irritating stick must be pushed into people's eye - constantly. For as long as it takes.... until it is done.

in the film, 'the thin red line', the genral, played by Travolta, asked the major, played by Nick Nolte..Travolta asked Nolte..:

Travolta: 'How much do you want that island?'

Nolte said powerfully and quietly..:'As Much as I have to, sir.'

The answer is everything, all the dials slowly advanced toward 11, constantly, to a fever pitch, if necessary. whatever works best, for the situation at hand.

That people tend to need to see a reflection of something they don't understand..for a very long time, before they 'get it'.

Hell, in most cases...you can't event tell a man or woman that their prior partner is gone, and wants nothing to do with them anymore. Getting that to sink in to them so they understand it in a real form.. is next to impossible, most times..and can take a literal number of YEARS.

That is a personal relationship issue.

What we are talking about here, is something MUCH bigger to the psychology of the person, and harder to fathom, in all ways.

The beatings will continue, until the morale improves.

The stick will continue to be pushed into the eye of humanity, until humanity finally understands.

And if waving a seeming (to you) ridiculous flag in front of people is what it takes, then so be it.

Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, and again. Until it is done.

[Youniverse]

We just need to be careful in these threads not to be too presumptious about what other people may know or not know. Always. That goes for all of us of course. We are only catching snippets of each person's true feelings or opinions on a subject. And there are always different ways to get to the truth of it. It is the old energy way to always have opposition and conflict and argument to come to some sort of conclusion. We can have many differing opinions and have a conversation in a respectful and mature way. There is always a better way than confrontation as well. At any rate, these are all just stories we tell to try to make sense of phenomenon. Some stories or explanations are more sophisticated than others, but they are all just stories about this illusion we call reality. The stories aren't important. The observer is.

[The Truth Is In There]

some prophecies speak about the same point that is described in the OP. they say it is one moment of clarity for all of humanity, or at east for those who recognize it as such, one moment that shows the future on earth (the golden age) for those who realize that all is one, and that will give them the knowledge and strength they need to get through the painful years that follow (the great tribulation) without losing hope or going crazy. the next 7 years will be so hard for humanity that "god" offers a glimpse of the beautiful future to all humans but few will see it or understand what it means. it is a gift.

[Wind]

The big solar flare will cleanse the electrical field and afterwards we will not be manipulated from outside sources. The negative forces will not be inhabiting the New Earth.

[Youniverse]

Posted by Wind (here)
The big solar flare will cleanse the electrical field and afterwards we will not be manipulated from outside sources. The negative forces will not be inhabiting the New Earth.

I hope you are right of course. I wonder if the solar flare you speak of will take out our electronics? Cell phones? Internet? and so on.

[Wind]

Posted by Youniverse (here)
I hope you are right of course. I wonder if the solar flare you speak of will take out our electronics? Cell phones? Internet? and so on.

Well, yes, but according to this source it says those who are going the 4th dimension will not be effected by it:http://angelicview.wordpress.com/201...-susan-part-i/

Because it is a shift in consciousness it means that we will be able to communicate in other ways after it... All the details of the shift are not known and maybe it is intended that way. However, there is no need to be afraid. I just hope that it happens.

[Quantum Odyssey]

Posted by corson (here)
Quantum Odyssey, have you had other sessions where the outcome or description was similar? and is this happening with other people who perform these sessions as well?
warmest regards, corson

There are around two thousand of us world wide who have been trained by Dolores Cannon to perform QHH. Several hundred of us who are the most active with QHH share our findings on a private forum.

It is truly extraordinary how many people have been sharing similar session findings regarding The Shift and the New Earth gathered from all over the world over the last few years.
One person will share findings and within days people on the other side of the world report the same session findings with different people of different backgrounds speaking different languages.
It hasn't had time to become apart of conscious awareness through media ..books, blogs, etc. to where you could refute it as subconsciously existing.

Many are reporting this blue light coming as well as a sound. Some describe it as extremely loud white noise others as a tremendous roar coming from the Earth itself.

I do feel an energy shift as we approach this time frame. The pressure in my head specifically my third eye center has increased. This is something I experience just before earth quakes. I can feel an earth quake over 50 miles from the epicenter of one as small as 2 to3.5 magnitude. ( I live in So. Cal.. Land of the earthquakes!) but that feeling disapates within minutes of the quake.
This feeling now remains constant over the last two weeks. Also a feeling of bliss. This is hard to explain but when you have it you will never forget it. It is as if you are awash in feelings of extreme peace and calm and benevolence. This bliss is not connected to anything in my life...nothing is different in my personal circumstances yet this bliss washes over me for large periods of time.
Many many providers as well as individuals have come to my site and reported their personal experiences. A fine vibration moving over and through the body is being experienced by many as well as myself. Many have had dreams and or experienced the same vision in meditations as the excerpt I have shared here. They are also experiencing energy vortices.

The feedback is incredible as people have rebloged my blog of The Awakening all over the world. It is being shared throughout Europe, Australia, South America and the USA. They are sharing their experiences and validation of their personal insights, physical sensations and messages they have received to be the same as what was seen in my session research for the book.

Something is coming our way without a doubt. Exactly what and how it manifests and what it brings with it remains to be seen.

Very exciting times indeed!