The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I was meditating the other evening and suddenly I had a loud clear voice (not my own) that insulted me, and the insult caused a shock in my heart. It said something like "I know it's only................but, You Stink!".
This didn't bother me too much, and I'm glad in a way that some of this negative stuff is releasing, but it was a bit of a shock.
... I can't wait to take off all these masks I have.

The insult "caused a shock in your heart"? Then it does bother you "much", surely? Let me make it clear that such "voices" inside you are there all the time, and the only difference is that in the past you've tuned out from being able to hear them. And often such "voices" are an entire worldview, an entire belief system about life, the universe and everything, and of course not your own. The extraordinary thing is that we adopt them as part of our own in great detail, and whole areas of our lives or our attitudes aren't ours but just unquestioningly copied from someone else, some other voice. And as with this voice, its the voice of somebody who had it in for you! Sooner or later you need to locate memories of incidents where that voice's point of view was in operation -- maybe in relation to your looking for work or how you had performed in certain jobs. Then you need to briefly "reclaim" your life by recognizing to yourself that everything you did under the influence of that voice's point of view wasn't "your" life but someone else's theft of parts of what should have been your life. There's been a huge amount of nonsense on the forum about the "theft of souls" after death, but such a thing can only happen partly,and while one is alive in the physical, and this is how it happens.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I would say that the exercise in post #24 (30 second meditation) would be of much more use, as I have found it to be (I've got the hang of it now TH I just had to trust myself in my interpretations of the symbolism).

If you want to know how to communicate more effectively with HS just ask HS and do the post #24 exercise and ask HS "how may I more effectively and clearly communicate with Higher Self?", and HS will tell you. It sure started the ball rolling with me, and I'm sure that it strengthened the link, allowing me now to hear the odd sentence direct from HS in meditation and in dreams.

How sensible is that! Using the exercise in post #24 probably every day, so that every day you get direct contact with your HS regarding something important in your life.

Consider how this can put you in almost as good a position as someone in whom the HS is already definitely present. At first the HS will only be present some of the time in an individual, and the individual goes through a process of recognizing that the HS really is separate and they really do know it is there inside them at least some of the time.

It’s a further step before the individual knows the HS is not only really separate from (what they have thought of as) them but is continually present inside them. Evidently kintun has reached that stage or further already.

There’s a further stage, where it suddenly seems like your body doesn’t have anyone “driving” it, or like you’re kind of floating in “free-fall” at least some of the time, in your daily life. It’s as if “you” have now become “nothing”. This happens at the stage where for you the stability of the HS becomes stronger and more real than that of the outer self.

A stage beyond that again is where the HS “enters” the physical in a big way, leaving the individual free of many forms of unhappiness.

[TraineeHuman]

Although the HS tends to be quite forthcoming about what choices may be wiser for an individual, it doesn’t see the individual in nearly as negative a light as the individual usually sees themselves.

It takes time for us as liberation-seeking adults to realise that in many ways society teaches us from childhood that we aren’t very capable. But this is a lie, and the HS very clearly sees that it is. The trouble is that, for example, from some point in primary school onwards the education system teaches young children that they are only worth a seven out of ten, or a six out of ten. Young children take this very, very seriously. They have been declared to be incurably flawed, much as the Christian doctrine that they are blemished in a vile way because of “original sin” – which means they are greatly handicapped simply because they got born.

In so many ways, society and culture teach us in childhood and adolescence that we can’t trust ourselves, and that our efforts are always rather lacking. It’s the old trick of putting a rope around a baby elephant’s leg, and then the huge adult elephant has grown up firmly believing that a little rope around its leg is too strong to break. In reality, the adult elephant can snap that rope with a quick jerk of its foot any time. But the elephant never does this.

In adulthood we have such things as debt traps to continue the mentality of us being inadequate.

For all these reasons, you need to start appreciating yourself more. You need to pause and take time to value and prize how resourceful and intelligent and courageous and caring and whatever you are. I never cease to be amazed at how brilliant and intuitive and brave and vulnerable and boundary-pushing human beings so often are. But you absolutely need to do this, simply to start bringing some balance to how you see your outer self.

You need to gradually learn to have great self-esteem for your outer self (like you did at age three) – and that’s before we’ve even brought in the impacts of any input from your HS. Self-esteem is like pride, except it’s genuine and honest. Pride can quite often be an ego distortion of some genuine self-esteem, and such false pride is no doubt there only because the person is starving themselves from seeing many of the other areas where they legitimately should have self-esteem also. Self-esteem goes with self-respect. I like Erich Fromm’s statement that you can tell how much self-respect a person really has because it’s the same as how much respect they show to others.

Somehow you have to unlearn devaluing your outer self. How else can you become a proper, highly dignified vessel for your Higher Self?

[Kraut]

TraineeHuman, that was a remarkable post. Thank you.

[TraineeHuman]

The HS can’t enter fully into your life unless you basically let go of your wants, your desires, your expectations. Perhaps not fully. But you need to find some way to basically surrender to the Divine, to Source. Then you just trust in it. Ahh, what a relief! Peace at last. It’s not such a big deal. In a way, all that changes then is that you have stepped out of the narrowness of being obsessively self-centered and you discover that all along you were closely united with the rest of the Universe anyway. That narrowness was a fiction all along, and was the cause of most of your suffering.

Everything you do starts to become a gift to Source instead of a gift to ego, which was always a false and distorted version of “you” anyway. Somewhere in the Bible it says: “Cast your bread upon the waters …”, and I think the idea is that the waters will bring your bread or something even tastier back to you. And the universe has always worked that way, but now you’re starting to walk in step with the Universal consciousness. Just keep giving wherever it’s practical to do so at any level, and pretty soon you’ll find you’re getting included much more deeply and satisfyingly in the workings of everything and in the lives of those around you at a level that counts. The more you keep giving, the more you find you’re receiving, but it soon reaches the point where it would be ridiculous for you to keep score.

I’m not saying stop making plans. At a practical level you still have to make money and manage your finances and aim to progress in your career or your profits and so on. But you don’t do that for your personal gratification. Primarily you do it out of necessity. Similarly, you need to take care of the body’s desires – for food, shelter, rest, sexual expression, physical exercise, and so on. But here as with everything else, your HS will guide you more and more in making the right moves instead of the wrong ones.

[TraineeHuman]

Your ability to feel or intuitively sense the true answer to a question regarding your life does require briefly going into stillness or silence as in post #24. It can also be strengthened by developing or concentrating on your heart center. This is why if you love some field or topic or activity, you’re much more likely to master it. Your intuition will lead the way. Similarly, if you want to have deep insight into people generally, the most useful quality is to have genuine love and caring and empathy – as distinct, to some extent, I would say, from some sentimentalized version of the same.

Also, the more you get rid of your baggage, the easier it becomes to make the stillness last, and hence you eventually learn how to on a good day listen accurately for much longer than two seconds without having your clever ego mind come in and distort the message.

On the other hand, although the (initial parts of the) answers come from your HS, when your HS starts to come into and join with your “inner body”, it also speaks to you through insights and even inspiration (which come from higher dimensions than the answers to your questions). Some people bring the HS partly into them and develop the ability to gain such insights, even though they have not strongly developed their psychic or intuitive sense as in post #24. For example, Awake may well be an example of such a person, or perhaps he used to be until recently.

In the end, everyone needs to both be still and silent enough to hear the messages and also “big picture”-loving enough to bring the HS into them.

[Eram]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Although the HS tends to be quite forthcoming about what choices may be wiser for an individual, it doesn’t see the individual in nearly as negative a light as the individual usually sees themselves.

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Nor does it see other individuals as negative as our individual self portrays them for that matter.

It seems that I have been able to establish an ongoing connection with my higher self a week ago.
I watched 2 movies in 1 day that had lots of Christianity propaganda in them.
In the 2th film there was this man that talked to God and I figured... I wonder if I can do this too, so I asked 'inwardly', are you there?
Immediately I felt as if a presence filled me up and if I was being touched on the whole back of my body.. and the heart as well.
The normal feeling of being alone was gone so to speak.

Since then I make contact whenever I feel like it and sometimes it comes through very clear, other times not so clear.
I guess it is a craft that has to be polished, as well as how to communicate with it.

To come back to the other individuals that are not as hardly judged by the HS as we ourselves tend to do.

The first night that I discovered this, I was helping my girlfriend with a job she had to do for school and all she did was putting my efforts down and snapping at me.
I became victim of thoughts of self pity, but my HS immediately projected her point of view and after that a higher point of view in which both our points of view became totally childish and irrelevant.
It just made me smile

This is how communication with the HS works doesn't it?

It makes us see or feel a higher point of view or it helps with that, with a great sense of humor and lightness of heart. (sirdipswitch style)

Also... it pushes me to give the better version of me in situations where I fail to do so.
Not take it so easy all the times ( I'm a lazy bugger by nature )

I'm quite sure if I am indeed connect with the HS... other people can do this easily too.
It is a bit like people do when they lay their lives in the hands of the lord, I'm quite sure that they have a connection with HS too.
It's sort of ...surrendering to it.
You just turn inward and ask... are you there? or whatever feels appropriate for you. And then you pay attention to what you feel.

It's like you enter a dialogue, not outward, but inward,not in words, but in images, feelings and ideas.

This connection with HS is filtered through the believe and emotional system of the individual and I believe that is why so many people are able to have a connection with HS and believe that craziest stuff at the same time, or tell the craziest stuff in God's name.


edit to add:

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
The HS can’t enter fully into your life unless you basically let go of your wants, your desires, your expectations. Perhaps not fully. But you need to find some way to basically surrender to the Divine, to Source. Then you just trust in it. Ahh, what a relief! Peace at last. It’s not such a big deal. In a way, all that changes then is that you have stepped out of the narrowness of being obsessively self-centered and you discover that all along you were closely united with the rest of the Universe anyway. That narrowness was a fiction all along, and was the cause of most of your suffering.

Everything you do starts to become a gift to Source instead of a gift to ego, which was always a false and distorted version of “you” anyway. Somewhere in the Bible it says: “Cast your bread upon the waters …”, and I think the idea is that the waters will bring your bread or something even tastier back to you. And the universe has always worked that way, but now you’re starting to walk in step with the Universal consciousness. Just keep giving wherever it’s practical to do so at any level, and pretty soon you’ll find you’re getting included much more deeply and satisfyingly in the workings of everything and in the lives of those around you at a level that counts. The more you keep giving, the more you find you’re receiving, but it soon reaches the point where it would be ridiculous for you to keep score.

I’m not saying stop making plans. At a practical level you still have to make money and manage your finances and aim to progress in your career or your profits and so on. But you don’t do that for your personal gratification. Primarily you do it out of necessity. Similarly, you need to take care of the body’s desires – for food, shelter, rest, sexual expression, physical exercise, and so on. But here as with everything else, your HS will guide you more and more in making the right moves instead of the wrong ones.

Ahh... you said it much better here TH.

This is exactly how it feels to me.

Everything you do starts to become a gift to Source instead of a gift to ego

[soleil]

hi guys, small update here...not obe, but almost i suppose. the other day i was swinging my astral arms in the air (where my mattress is) while laying on my tummy to fall asleep (i wasnt trying to OBE, just practicing). it must have worked, because i snapped back into my body, and my body jumped physically in surprise. this was the closest ive gotten lately while playing around.

i find this very easy to do actually. is there a chance to immediately separate at this moment? or should i need to wait for vibrations?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Although the HS tends to be quite forthcoming about what choices may be wiser for an individual, it doesn’t see the individual in nearly as negative a light as the individual usually sees themselves.
...]

Nor does it see other individuals as negative as our individual self portrays them for that matter.

It seems that I have been able to establish an ongoing connection with my higher self a week ago.
I watched 2 movies in 1 day that had lots of Christianity propaganda in them.
In the 2th film there was this man that talked to God and I figured... I wonder if I can do this too, so I asked 'inwardly', are you there?
Immediately I felt as if a presence filled me up and if I was being touched on the whole back of my body.. and the heart as well.
The normal feeling of being alone was gone so to speak.

Since then I make contact whenever I feel like it and sometimes it comes through very clear, other times not so clear.
I guess it is a craft that has to be polished, as well as how to communicate with it.

To come back to the other individuals that are not as hardly judged by the HS as we ourselves tend to do.

The first night that I discovered this, I was helping my girlfriend with a job she had to do for school and all she did was putting my efforts down and snapping at me.
I became victim of thoughts of self pity, but my HS immediately projected her point of view and after that a higher point of view in which both our points of view became totally childish and irrelevant.
It just made me smile

This is how communication with the HS works doesn't it?

It makes us see or feel a higher point of view or it helps with that, with a great sense of humor and lightness of heart...

I'm quite sure if I am indeed connect with the HS... other people can do this easily too.
It is a bit like people do when they lay their lives in the hands of the lord, I'm quite sure that they have a connection with HS too.
It's sort of ...surrendering to it.

Absolutely. But not everybody is ready to totally surrender like you are.

You just turn inward and ask... are you there? or whatever feels appropriate for you. And then you pay attention to what you feel.

It's like you enter a dialogue, not outward, but inward,not in words, but in images, feelings and ideas.

This connection with HS is filtered through the believe and emotional system of the individual and I believe that is why so many people are able to have a connection with HS and believe that craziest stuff at the same time, or tell the craziest stuff in God's name.

Wow. Sounds like your whole post was a “message” from your HS, Eram.

Yes, I agree your HS doesn’t judge others just as it doesn’t judge you. Isn’t that ever so helpful, so sane?

Of course, we still need to have some discrimination regarding people. Let’s say person X can’t help being a con man – they’re so used to lying, they’ve forgotten how to stop lying. So, you don’t judge them for that, but you don’t shut your eyes either. You just identify where they’re at, and accept them for what they are. If they find it very hard not to tell lies, you’ll know you probably can’t trust them with your money. But no drama. If they rip you off, that’s your fault rather than theirs, because that means you didn’t accept them as they are and where they are at.

For a person to learn from their HS how not to judge themselves is the most wonderful thing. This is partly because after our life review following death, most of us place all kinds of judgments on ourselves. Then on the next rebirth in the physical, the burden of all those judgments gets passed on to the poor little new baby at the time of birth. Ouch! Be kind to yourself-in-your-next-lifetime in advance!

Also, have you noticed that most of the time people look at how you seem to treat yourself and they try to treat you about the same way? After all, they probably think, you know you better than they do.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
hi guys, small update here...not obe, but almost i suppose. the other day i was swinging my astral arms in the air (where my mattress is) while laying on my tummy to fall asleep (i wasnt trying to OBE, just practicing). it must have worked, because i snapped back into my body, and my body jumped physically in surprise. this was the closest ive gotten lately while playing around.

i find this very easy to do actually. is there a chance to immediately separate at this moment? or should i need to wait for vibrations?

If you're swinging your astral arms in the air, haven't you already separated at that moment?

Waiting for vibrations at that point reminds me of that movie Wag The Dog.

I assume you snapped back into your body because wherever your attention goes you go, and your attention focused back on the physical.

[TraineeHuman]

Joseph Campbell and others claimed that possibly the way to personal liberation is to follow your bliss, follow your fondest dream. I have learnt, both in my own life and in those of some others, that this doesn’t always work.

It doesn’t work because a person’s conditioning leads them to find pleasure in some of the kinds of fields which their parents wanted them to go into. The selection of such a field is therefore based on the person’s conditioning. Not -- let me stress -- on where the HS knows would be truly good for the person.

The HS still supports you no matter how many holes you fall into or are in. It’s kind of like the average person has a huge hole in the floor just inside their front door and they fall into it every time they arrive at or leave home. But the person has normalized this so much that they just climb out of the hole and dust themselves off and pretend that nothing unusual has happened. Then when they go to work it may be full of holes too. If the person comes to enjoy falling into holes, the HS just goes along with that. The HS does what it can to help you find some joy in however misguided a mess you get your life into.

I guess by following what you believe is your bliss for something you’ll eventually run out that line of your conditioning. Then you’ll be closer to freedom to follow your true area of bliss. Hopefully you’ll learn the difference between what one or both of your parents believed or hoped you would love to do versus what deep inside the true you loves. I know I’m harping a lot on how an internalized “voice” of a parent or whoever completely misleads many people. But if the person hasn’t learnt how to truly listen to their HS, I’m afraid they’re at the mercy of not knowing who the heck they really are, all their life long.

[kintun]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
The HS can’t enter fully into your life unless you basically let go of your wants, your desires, your expectations. Perhaps not fully. But you need to find some way to basically surrender to the Divine, to Source. Then you just trust in it. Ahh, what a relief! Peace at last. It’s not such a big deal. In a way, all that changes then is that you have stepped out of the narrowness of being obsessively self-centered and you discover that all along you were closely united with the rest of the Universe anyway. That narrowness was a fiction all along, and was the cause of most of your suffering.

Everything you do starts to become a gift to Source instead of a gift to ego, which was always a false and distorted version of “you” anyway. Somewhere in the Bible it says: “Cast your bread upon the waters …”, and I think the idea is that the waters will bring your bread or something even tastier back to you. And the universe has always worked that way, but now you’re starting to walk in step with the Universal consciousness. Just keep giving wherever it’s practical to do so at any level, and pretty soon you’ll find you’re getting included much more deeply and satisfyingly in the workings of everything and in the lives of those around you at a level that counts. The more you keep giving, the more you find you’re receiving, but it soon reaches the point where it would be ridiculous for you to keep score.

I’m not saying stop making plans. At a practical level you still have to make money and manage your finances and aim to progress in your career or your profits and so on. But you don’t do that for your personal gratification. Primarily you do it out of necessity. Similarly, you need to take care of the body’s desires – for food, shelter, rest, sexual expression, physical exercise, and so on. But here as with everything else, your HS will guide you more and more in making the right moves instead of the wrong ones.

This is so true! At least for me... You have described so well the feeling of freedom and confidence, TraineeHuman. Thank you for putting so well in words all this.

[kintun]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
hi guys, small update here...not obe, but almost i suppose. the other day i was swinging my astral arms in the air (where my mattress is) while laying on my tummy to fall asleep (i wasnt trying to OBE, just practicing). it must have worked, because i snapped back into my body, and my body jumped physically in surprise. this was the closest ive gotten lately while playing around.

i find this very easy to do actually. is there a chance to immediately separate at this moment? or should i need to wait for vibrations?

Hi!
I would say you are already separate. Just think of going somewhere or doing something and give it a try.
I discovered that after I saw myself sleeping in bed once, it was enough for my mind to understand it. And I have never experienced that again, although I keep on astral traveling. I guess it's not necessary to be so concious about the moment you are going out of the body.

[soleil]

Posted by kintun (here)

Posted by teradactyl (here)
hi guys, small update here...not obe, but almost i suppose. the other day i was swinging my astral arms in the air (where my mattress is) while laying on my tummy to fall asleep (i wasnt trying to OBE, just practicing). it must have worked, because i snapped back into my body, and my body jumped physically in surprise. this was the closest ive gotten lately while playing around.

i find this very easy to do actually. is there a chance to immediately separate at this moment? or should i need to wait for vibrations?

Hi!
I would say you are already separate. Just think of going somewhere or doing something and give it a try.
I discovered that after I saw myself sleeping in bed once, it was enough for my mind to understand it. And I have never experienced that again, although I keep on astral traveling. I guess it's not necessary to be so concious about the moment you are going out of the body.

i suppose i thought it couldnt possibly happen that fast. because it was quite easy for me to do and feel (not imagine). i had literally just hopped into bed and laid on my tummy and started going for it (swinging my astral arms left to right into my mattress).

on another note, last night i 'woke' up. not sure if i woke up lucid or woke up in bed. but i was in bed, and decided to just roll out of bed. i am quite fussy and grumpy at night so i for sure felt like it was the hardest for me to figure out how to do, it must be the easiest since those kinds of things are hard to explain. i rolled out of bed and heard my feet hit the floor where theres about 1.5 ft of space between my bed and the wall/window. anyways, i thought to myself "theres no way!" so i decided to turn around to see the bed, to see if i really got out of bed physically since i heard my feet hit the ground, or to see if i was astral.

and i saw in the dark this lump in the bed, piles of blanket near the face and hair everywhere. thats gotta be me. so i didnt even think twice and turned back to the wall and walked/ran through it. i immediately was walking on snow, because i saw white everywhere on the ground, and heard my feet crunch the snow. i thought to myself, "OMG i feel like im wide awake!" just then i turned around and there was a white wolf/dog beside me, coming up to my right. i wasnt afraid of the silvery looking huge dog because i patted him on the head and was like 'stay here' kinda vibe to him. it all happened fast i suppose because there wasnt much interaction and i dont really know for sure who it was. maybe it was mav, my dog.

so i turned around and started walking/floating actually. i decided to float/fly up towards the tops of the trees. i made my way up really fast because i saw stars in the bright sky, (in actuality it must have been pitch black since it must have been ~3-4am this happened). this happened to fast to me, so i tried to get my foot to grab a branch on the top of a tree. which i gave up doing because i realized, i dont need to mess around i could just go somewhere else. so i (half a**ed) said/thought of going to my higherself. i really did go somewhere else, but i have no idea where i went, because there was a being that freaked me out. i must have fallen back asleep, because it was over at this point. i was SO happy that i remembered when i woke up though! i still feel like it must have been a dream; but i guess i was bound to have a conscious/awake obe one of these days. regardless of trying consciously or not.

(in real life i have a huge white dog named mav, who is also a great pyrenees, and when we go for walks he heels on the/my right.

and there was about 1-2 inch of fresh wet snow this morning from snow flurries overnight; the kind that would crunch. i walked out back to see my view from where i ran out to the backyard and remembered it even more.)

[soleil]

Posted by kintun (here)

Posted by teradactyl (here)
hi guys, small update here...not obe, but almost i suppose. the other day i was swinging my astral arms in the air (where my mattress is) while laying on my tummy to fall asleep (i wasnt trying to OBE, just practicing). it must have worked, because i snapped back into my body, and my body jumped physically in surprise. this was the closest ive gotten lately while playing around.

i find this very easy to do actually. is there a chance to immediately separate at this moment? or should i need to wait for vibrations?

Hi!
I would say you are already separate. Just think of going somewhere or doing something and give it a try.
I discovered that after I saw myself sleeping in bed once, it was enough for my mind to understand it. And I have never experienced that again, although I keep on astral traveling. I guess it's not necessary to be so concious about the moment you are going out of the body.

i've also practiced this while awake, as mentioned before. to get used to using and feeling my energy body. so i suppose when i did it while laying down i dont know what is and what isnt possible.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
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i suppose i thought it couldnt possibly happen that fast. because it was quite easy for me to do and feel (not imagine). i had literally just hopped into bed and laid on my tummy and started going for it (swinging my astral arms left to right into my mattress).

Please don't worry about whether you're having the "right" experience. Just have the experience. If it somehow turns out to be the "left" experience instead of the "right" experience, then just trust yourself. Trust that whatever you do will be "right". And if it does happen to be different, then trust that in that case you've invented/discovered a new variation. OB travel is the most natural thing in the world. Thirty thousand years ago everybody was knowingly doing it all the time, almost kind of like breathing. The only reason most people aren't aware of doing it today is because of many centuries of being dumbed down.

and i saw in the dark this lump in the bed, piles of blanket near the face and hair everywhere. thats gotta be me. so i didnt even think twice and turned back to the wall and walked/ran through it.

Cool. Sure sounds like the "right" experience. Congratulations! Also, I've found most people don't have the courage to walk straight through a wall the first time they get the feeling it's possible to do that.

i turned around and there was a white wolf/dog beside me, coming up to my right. i wasnt afraid of the silvery looking huge dog because i patted him on the head and was like 'stay here' kinda vibe to him. it all happened fast i suppose because there wasnt much interaction and i dont really know for sure who it was. maybe it was mav, my dog.

I'll bet it very probably was Mav,or else a former pet dog of yours who died. I love the way pet animals have such pure and simple hearts. I've also noticed that they try to communicate to us through 5D pictures all the time, only most of us don't know this. Personally I sometimes manage to "talk" to them telepathically or in pictures, and they prefer that. I find they then start using the 3D noises and body postures which they also use to communicate with each other. For instance, a cat will lift one of its front paws high up and stand on three legs in response to my offering food. That's an expression of great trust and acceptance. Also, I'll bet Mav would have found it hard to resist going on that "walk", because dogs love to go on walks. They also love to share, and I'll bet Mav (or whatever dog it was) was trying to share some courage, to strengthen your own courage, because dogs know they are astral travelling all the time, when they sleep. By the way, how do you imagine a lost pet finds its way home, even if it's on the other side of a continent?

so i turned around and started walking/floating actually. i decided to float/fly up towards the tops of the trees. i made my way up really fast because i saw stars in the bright sky, (in actuality it must have been pitch black since it must have been ~3-4am this happened). this happened to fast to me, so i tried to get my foot to grab a branch on the top of a tree. which i gave up doing because i realized, i dont need to mess around i could just go somewhere else. so i (half a**ed) said/thought of going to my higher self. i really did go somewhere else, but i have no idea where i went, because there was a being that freaked me out. i must have fallen back asleep, because it was over at this point.

In my experience it's not unusual for a person to "bounce away" out of fear the first time they try to go way beyond the worlds of form and to face their own greatness. The being that freaked you out would almost certainly have been (a deeper part of) you. Nothing to fear really, because it's always there, always doing whatever it does.

[soleil]

hi TH, can you confirm for me, that if i am able to swing my arms (per se) i should be able to separate at that moment, regardless of how long? i didnt even have vibrations, so im just kind of bewildered that separation can happen just like that. i'm going to have to experiment some more.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
hi TH, can you confirm for me, that if i am able to swing my arms (per se) i should be able to separate at that moment, regardless of how long? i didnt even have vibrations, so im just kind of bewildered that separation can happen just like that. i'm going to have to experiment some more.

All the dimensions are all here at once, so in a sense there's no separation between any of them except that we get ourselves used to believing they're separate and focusing mostly just on the physical. So yes, all it takes is a shift of attention, and you've stepped through a threshhold into somewhere else. The stronger your attention gets, the more amazing or "miraculous" things you can do, sometimes at least. Why wouldn't it get boring to live as narrow a life as most people do these days? Why not become weirdly -- but naturally -- a lot stronger inside? It's always been there inside you, kind of a sleeping giant just waiting for the "kiss" of "Prince Charming" who just stands for your aware consciousness. Obviously you've been developing your awareness, teradactyl, so that's inevitably changing who "you" are but sometimes we hang on to identities that aren't up to speed with who we've now changed into.

As I've mentioned earlier, I rarely even notice the vibrations, and then only for the briefest moment if I do, when I'm passing through 4D on my way to formless worlds. That's how fast I go through them, and most of the time I don't even notice them at all, if they are even there. Or, I sometimes notice the vibrations while I'm awake but I don't ever use them to go OB, but to recharge my body through them for ten minutes, and then I usually don't need any sleep that night.

[nevermnd]

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[Chester]

Hi - ever since I came back to Texas, my abilities have gone way, way down. Also, the AI computer hacking into my mind has kicked up into high gear and in just over a month from leaving Costa Rica I am a shadow of myself. My conscious connection to my astral experiences are almost gone. I feel like I am a "living dead."

But I am still very happy. My attitude is great anyways... I came back to help my 19 year old son who might go to prison. I am hoping the judge will give him a shot with me taking him under my wing.

Now for something cool. My oldest son, Stephen, had a full blown, waking state OBE. He worked on it and worked on it and then finally had one BUT! It scared him so much he decided he didn't want to do it again! Hahaha I am so happy for him though. He is fearless like me about so, so much that I am surprised he got so scared.

Anyways, he described his experience so innocently and almost like he was embarrassed. What he described is so much like so many of the folks you have been working with TraineeHuman. I hope we are all able to get out from underneath this strange AI computer that seems to have this sector of the galaxy locked down so tightly. Yucko!

Hi nevermind! thanks for joining!... this is a great thread indeed. When I get down, I always read this thread... always lifts me up.