Iraq: The spies who fooled the world...BBC Panarama flagship documentry programme 18/3/2013

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As we have known for a decade the Iraq invasion was based on lies !!

The Neo cons were going to war whatever happened !!

Robin Cook, Dr.Kelly and others were all silenced or ignored !




'Dodgy Dossier' to Newspaper 'Editor': Tony Blair Re-invents Himself
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nvents-Himself

Tony Blair accused of War Crimes at Leveson By Protestor...
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...n-By-Protestor...

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Full documentry on Iplayer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...led_the_World/

first part posted on U/tube ,i'l look for rest ......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UOsHLA1CMPI

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18 March 2013 Last updated at 00:43
Iraq: The spies who fooled the world
By Peter Taylor


BBC News





The lies of two Iraqi spies were central to the claim - at the heart of the UK and US
decision to go to war in Iraq - that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
But even before the fighting started, intelligence from highly-placed sources was
available suggesting he did not, Panorama has learned.Six months before the invasion,
the then Prime Minister Tony Blair warned the country about the threat posed by
Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

"The programme is not shut down," he said. "It is up and running now." Mr Blair used
the intelligence on WMD to justify the war.That same day, 24 September 2002, the
government published its controversial dossier on the former Iraqi leader's WMD.

The BBC has learned that two key pieces of intelligence, which could have prevented the
Iraq war, were either dismissed or used selectively.

vid on link....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21786506

Designed for public consumption, it had a personal foreword by Mr Blair, who assured
readers Saddam Hussein had continued to produce WMD "beyond doubt". But, while it
was never mentioned in the dossier, there was doubt. The original intelligence from MI6
and other agencies, on which the dossier was based, was clearly qualified. The
intelligence was, as the Joint Intelligence Committee noted in its original
assessments, "sporadic and patchy" and "remains limited". The exclusion of these
qualifications gave the dossier a certainty that was never warranted.

Intelligence failure

Much of the key intelligence used by Downing Street and the White House was based on
fabrication, wishful thinking and lies. Lord Butler says he was unaware of some
intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have WMD As Gen Sir Mike Jackson, then head
of the British Army, says, "what appeared to be gold in terms of intelligence turned out
to be fool's gold, because it looked like gold, but it wasn't". There was other
intelligence, but it was less alarming. Lord Butler, who after the war, conducted the first
government inquiry into WMD intelligence, says Mr Blair and the intelligence
community "misled themselves". Lord Butler and Sir Mike agree Mr Blair did not lie,
because they say he genuinely believed Saddam Hussein had WMD.

The most notorious spy who fooled the world was the Iraqi defector, Rafid Ahmed Alwan
al-Janabi. His fabrications and lies were a crucial part of the intelligence used to justify
one of the most divisive wars in recent history. And they contributed to one of the
biggest intelligence failures in living memory. He became known as Curveball, the
codename given to him by US intelligence that turned out to be all too appropriate.

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I thought we'd produced probably the best intelligence that anybody produced in the pre-war period”
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Bill Murray

Former CIA Paris station head

Mr Janabi arrived as an Iraqi asylum seeker at a German refugee centre in 1999 and
said he was a chemical engineer, thus attracting the attention of the German
intelligence service, the BND. He told them he had seen mobile biological laboratories
mounted on trucks to evade detection. The Germans had doubts about Mr Janabi which
they shared with the Americans and the British. MI6 had doubts too, which they
expressed in a secret cable to the CIA: "Elements of [his] behaviour strike us as typical
of individuals we would normally assess as fabricators [but we are] inclined to believe
that a significant part of [Curveball's] reporting is true."The British decided to stick with
Curveball, as did the Americans. He later admitted being a fabricator and liar.There
appeared to be corroborative intelligence from another spy who fooled the world.

Continue reading the main story
Panorama: Find out more

Peter Taylor presents Panorama: The Spies Who Fooled the World
BBC One, Monday 18 March at 22:35 GMT
Then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer

He was an Iraqi former intelligence officer, called Maj Muhammad Harith, who said it
had been his idea to develop mobile biological laboratories and claimed he had ordered
seven Renault trucks to put them on. He made his way to Jordan and then talked to the
Americans. Muhammad Harith apparently made up his story because he wanted a new
home. His intelligence was dismissed as fabrication 10 months before the war.
MI6 also thought they had further corroboration of Curveball's story, when a trusted
source - codenamed Red River - revealed he had been in touch with a secondary source
who said he had seen fermenters on trucks. But he never claimed the fermenters had
anything to do with biological agents.

After the war, MI6 decided that Red River was unreliable as a source.

Handmade suit

But not all the intelligence was wrong. Information from two highly-placed sources close
to Saddam Hussein was correct. Both said Iraq did not have any active WMD.
The CIA's source was Iraq's foreign minister, Naji Sabri. Tahir Jalil Habbush Al-Tikriti
said Saddam Hussein had no active WMD Former CIA man Bill Murray - then head of the
agency's station in Paris - dealt with him via an intermediary, an Arab journalist, to
whom he gave $200,000 (£132,000) in cash as a down payment.




He said Naji Sabri "looked like a person of real interest - someone who we really should
be talking to". Murray put together a list of questions to put to the minister, with WMD
at the top.The intermediary met Naji Sabri in New York in September 2002 when he
was about to address the UN - six months before the start of the war and just a week
before the British dossier was published. The intermediary bought the minister a
handmade suit which the minister wore at the UN, a sign Mr Murray took to mean that
Naji Sabri was on board.

Mr Murray says the upshot was intelligence that Saddam Hussein "had some chemical
weapons left over from the early 90s, [and] had taken the stocks and given them to
various tribes that were loyal to him. [He] had intentions to have weapons of mass
destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear - but at that point in time he virtually had
nothing". The CIA insists the intelligence report from the "source" indicated the former
Iraqi president did have WMD programmes because, the agency says, it mentioned
that, "Iraq was currently producing and stockpiling chemical weapons" and "as a last
resort had mobile launchers armed with chemical weapons".

Mr Murray disputes this account.




The second highly-placed source was Iraq's head of intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush Al-
Tikriti - the jack of diamonds in America's "most wanted" deck of cards which rated
members of Saddam Hussein's government.A senior MI6 officer met him in Jordan in
January 2003 - two months before the war.Bill Murray says the "best intelligence" was
not used It was thought Habbush wanted to negotiate a deal that would stop the
imminent invasion. He also said Saddam Hussein had no active WMD.

Surprisingly, Lord Butler - who says Britons have "every right" to feel misled by their
prime minister - only became aware of the information from Habbush after his report
was published.

"I can't explain that," says Lord Butler.

"This was something which I think our review did miss. But when we asked about it, we
were told that it wasn't a very significant fact, because SIS [MI6] discounted it as
something designed by Saddam to mislead."



Lord Butler says he also knew nothing about the intelligence from Naji Sabri.

Ex-CIA man Bill Murray was not happy with the way the intelligence from these two highly-placed sources had been used.

"I thought we'd produced probably the best intelligence that anybody produced in the
pre-war period, all of which came out - in the long run - to be accurate. The information
was discarded and not used."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21786506

Panorama: The Spies Who Fooled the World, BBC One, Monday 18 March at 22:35 GMT
and then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer.

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[Ouroboros]

Thanks for posting. I missed the Panorama documentary last night so your posting was a timely reminder to watch it today.

Recommended viewing for all.

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Thanks for posting. I missed the Panorama documentary last night so your posting was a timely reminder to watch it today.

Recommended viewing for all.

Thanks Ouroboros , the full episode has been posted on U/tube.....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UOsHLA1CMPI

Published on 19 Mar 2013
Documentary 2013 - Panorama: On the eve of the tenth anniversary of the Iraq
War, Panorama reveals how key aspects of the secret intelligence used to justify
the invasion were based on fabrication and lies.

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Tariq Ali: US, UK never faced justice for Iraq war crimes The Neo cons
wanted to invade Iraq.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fnfqzWgggEQ

Published on 19 Mar 2013


At least 56 people have been killed in a series of attacks across Baghdad. The
deadly assaults come as Iraq marks ten years since the coalition, led by the US and
Britain, invaded the country with their 'freedom and democracy' mission. Historian
and political campaigner, Tariq Ali, says it's surprising that no-one has been held
responsible for creating havoc in Iraq.

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Iraq still a mess ten years after the war

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NG0VDZNiM68

Published on 18 Mar 2013


On Tuesday, the war in Iraq will hit the ten year mark. In 2003, the Bush
administration using misleading information claimed that Saddam Hussein had
weapons of mass destruction and allegedly those weapons could fall into the hand
of the group behind the attack on 9/11. A decade later, the war has cost America
approximately $823 billion and many are wondering was it worth it? Political
analyst Joe Macaron breaks down the cost of war.

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Deadly blasts rock Iraq 10 yrs after US 'freedom' invasion

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=n1VGk55Mt-Q

Published on 19 Mar 2013


Car bombs and roadside blasts have killed at least 50 people and wounded nearly
200 in Shiite districts across the Iraqi capital Baghdad on Tuesday, according to
police and hospital sources. The attacks coincide with the 10th anniversary of the
US-led

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'United States of Amnesia': Iraq death toll mounts 10 years on

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Rhf8Y9TKP0

Published on 18 Mar 2013


Iraq's about to mark 10 years since the U.S.-led invasion with 30 deaths from
bomb attacks last week in Baghdad and 10 more on Sunday in the south.In 2003,
Washington unleashed its 'shock and awe' air strikes aiming to rid the country of
suspected weapons of mass destruction and topple Saddam Hussein. A decade
later, arguments persist over whether anything was achieved.

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Bleeding Budget: Iraq war over, US taxpayers still paying

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=megRQOiEEO4

Published on 19 Mar 2013


US taxpayers are probably asking how much more they'll have to spend on Iraq, on
top of what's already been poured in. The figure of over 800 billion dollars
continues to rise - with costs mounting every second - from dealing with returning
personnel, to the broader social and economic impact of the war. Anissa Naouai
takes a closer look at the numbers.

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http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/08/911...beyond-theory/

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In this debate the two participants are poles apart !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7Ei-Fl83k_0

Published on 19 Mar 2013


Published on 18 Mar 2013

Former US President and British Prime Minister, George W. Bush and Tony Blair,
invaded Iraq "in bad faith" and must stand trial for war crimes, an analyst tells
Press TV. A recent poll has found that more than one fifth of Britons believe that
Blair, who joined the US to invade Iraq, should be put to trial for war crimes. Based
on the study by YouGov pollsters on the 10th anniversary of the US-led invasion of
Iraq, half of Brits think Blair knowingly misled British MPs, with claims that Iraq had
ready-to-launch weapons of mass destruction, with 22 percent of them saying the
ex-PM deserves a war crimes tribunal because of his deceit.

Press TV has conducted an interview with Rodney Shakespeare, a political analyst
from London, to further discuss the issue of war in Iraq. He is joined by the other
guest of the program, Richard Hellman, president of the Middle East Research
Center (Washington).

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10th anniv feb 15 demo .......London demonstration against ...Bush/Blair war !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H2FGyCCUsrs

Published on 18 Feb 2013


Film of the February 15th demonstration in London where 2 million marched
against the attack on Iraq. The film was first shown at the 10th anniversary of the
demonstration at the For a Future Without War Rally held at the Newcastle Civic
Centre on 15th February 2013. The rally was organised by Newcastle Stop the War,
Unison northern region Newcastle and Northmubria Universities Martin Luther King
Peace Committee. The film is mainly unedited except for the inserted piece from
the September 2002 Not In Our Name Concert in London of Adrian Mitchell and his
poem Tell me Lies about Iraq. The final photo of the march is unattributed. The film
was made by Stuart Monro.

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Whats the Great War leader Georgy boy upto now !!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GBiHbdyEB9U

Published on 18 Mar 2013


A decade ago, George W Bush announced he was leading America into war with
Iraq. But since leaving office, this most controversial of presidents has proved
rather elusive. Matt Frei reports.

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It reminds me JW was a figure head and it was Rumsfeldt & Cheney that
were the main front man.....The pictures of JW only going before the 9/11
inquiry holding Dick Cheneys hand makes me shake my head with disbelief
& laughter !!

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No regrets? Iraq war inciters undaunted by post-conflict plagues

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v8pjgfbrWAE

Published on 20 Mar 2013


The US led military campaign in Iraq was supposed to overthrow the regime of
Saddam Hussein and protect the world from his alleged weapons of mass
destruction. Saddam was toppled, although WMDs were never found. RT's
correspondents take a look at whether the means justified the end of war in Iraq.
READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/14o0n6

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Bombs rock Iraq on 10 year anniversary of invasion

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gE6WpZO1utc

Published on 19 Mar 2013


In the past 24 hours, Islamic insurgents have carried out attacks in and around the
Iraqi capital of Baghdad. According to reports, 65 people have been killed in a
series of approximately 20 bombings. RT's Lucy Kafanov brings us the latest from
Erbil, Iraq.

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The Resident -- How the Iraq War screwed America

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cJYG-02UE0Y

Published on 20 Mar 2013


Usually, Lori Harfenist of The Resident hits the streets of New York City to ask
people what their thoughts are on certain issues, but this time she gives us a piece
of her own mind regarding the 10 year anniversary of the US-led invasion of Iraq.




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Iraq: From boots on the ground to robots in the sky

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cxm8Hbo5uqA

Published on 19 Mar 2013


The American ground invasion of Iraq known as Shock and Awe was implemented
back in 2003. The military doctrine was executed in order to flex America's military
might leaving Saddam Hussein's forces stunned. Within the span of ten years, the
American military has being shifting to more of a covert tactic and using robots in
the air instead of boots on the ground. RT's Margaret Howell explains.

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UN official tells US to stop drone strikes

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oFink-5ZjHY

Published on 19 Mar 2013


With America's drone capabilities expanding, the United Nations has stepped in and
is demanding the US stop conducting unmanned airstrikes in Pakistan. The UN is
calling the drone program a violation of the country's sovereignty and the attacks
are being carried out without the consent of the people of Pakistan. RT's Liz Wahl
has more.

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Iraq War: A look back 10 years later

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y_nvlIZETeE

Published on 19 Mar 2013


On March 19, 2003, then-President George W. Bush announced that the US was
going to war with Iraq. Although the connection from Saddam Hussein to the
organization behind the 9/11 attacks was never made, the Bush administration
convinced the masses that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was
aiding the "terrorist" behind the attack in New York. Here is a timeline of the most
significant events of the past decade.



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Fact vs. Fiction: True Cost of Iraq War

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MSmTH1Vv-oI

Published on 19 Mar 2013


Ten years ago, the US entered Iraq with two goals in mind: depose of Sadam
Hussein and locate and take control of the country's alleged weapons of mass
destruction. The Bush Administration promised the war would be quick, cost
effective and require few troops. RT Correspondent Meghan Lopez separates fact
from fiction on the tenth anniversary of the Iraq war.

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Iraq: a decade after invasion

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FfJG4HLWu2o

Published on 19 Mar 2013


Ten years later, the effects of the US-led war in Iraq are still being felt. With
hundreds of thousands lives lost in the Middle Eastern country, including American
soldiers, reports indicate that America is expected to pay trillions of dollars for the
mission. Former US Senator Mike Gravel (D-AK) and Sara Flounders, co-director of
the International Action Center, joins us to discuss.

[MorningSong]

Wow! Something I didn't expect! The Italian news channel RAI NEWS 24 is showing this very minute the full document presented here by the OP!

WOW! I sure hopes this wakes up some of these sleeping Italians...who just Looove the American gov't, past and present.

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Inside Iraq: Still in a state of war?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dIpOxckWhj8

Published on 20 Mar 2013


Although the US declared the war in Iraq over, the daily life of an Iraqi citizen is
still in danger. On Tuesday, a series of attacks killed approximately 60 on the tenth
anniversary of the US-led invasion, but still the citizens of the war torn country
have to move on with their day-to-day routines. RT's Lucy Kafanov is on the ground
in Iraq to give us a glimpse of the state of Iraq.


Dying Iraq vet blames Bush/Cheney for war crimes

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=enT4AJrobx0

Published on 20 Mar 2013


A 33-year-old Iraq War veteran paralyzed during battle is planning to refuse
nourishment in the coming weeks. Tomas Young has written a letter to former-
President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney condemning them
for "war crimes" committed during in Iraq. Young, who enlisted in the US military
two days after the attacks on 9/11, was shot by a sniper in Iraq and has been
wheelchair-bound ever since. RT's Liz Wahl has more on the soldier's last stand.