Liver detox / Liver flush

[gracieuse]

hey everyone, thanks for posting the cleanse. this website claims to sell a product with which you can pulverise all stones:

http://www.gallbladderdetox.com/

this claim is hard to verify of course, apart from having xray/ultrasound pictures before and after.

I've also read a critical medical article about liver cleanses. I'm not intending to discount anyone's experience above - in fact I don't have any experience with any of the methods - but only to bring a different viewpoint to the discussion and provide for a more holistic debate.

The article says that:
1. the liver itself does not hold any stones (only the gallbladder does)
2. gallstones are hard, not soft and do not leave traces of grease on paper
3. gallstones are made up of cholesterol, bilirubine and calcium which makes the stones sink, not float
4. the stones that come out of the cleanse are formed by partly indigested olive oil and acids, you can reproduce them by mixing lemon juice and oleic acid in a test tube
5. conclusion: the stones that are eliminated from the cleansing are basically formed by the ingredients you've put in

The article is not in english so it's no use posting it here. Again: I don't claim to hold the truth or anything, my intention by posting it is to have people think twice and not believe anything right away if it comes from a source of alternative medicine. I guess the key is to have a critical and open mind towards any source of information.



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[Ilie Pandia]

Posted by gracieuse (here)
1. the liver itself does not hold any stones (only the gallbladder does)
4. the stones that come out of the cleanse are formed by partly indigested olive oil and acids, you can reproduce them by mixing lemon juice and oleic acid in a test tube
5. conclusion: the stones that are eliminated from the cleansing are basically formed by the ingredients you've put in

1. I cannot confirm now, but Andreas says in the book that stones have been found in the liver. In that case 1 is false. (I'll try to look this up, since there was photo of a liver filled with stones...)

4. 5. If that is true, then why after I have flushed my liver and gallbladder no more stones are "produced"?!?! I put the same ingredients in, so why don't I produce the same stones every time?

This looks a cheap, not properly researched attack on a method that for me personally had a dramatic result. Just read this thread. I have personal experience, not guess work

[Eram]

Hi Gracieuse and welcome to Avalon,

You bring a very interesting topic to the table.
Amzer zo talked about Hulda Clarke and her ideas about liver cleanses and there too is talk about false liver stones, formed after taking the olive oil and grapefruit juice.
http://curezone.com/clark/liver.asp

I think it is a good idea to talk about this.
Maybe we can get some answers when we compare notes.

My own personal findings after 7 liver flushes are the ones that I wrote down here:

I finished my 7th flush last week.

I lost 22 large stones this time (marble size) and many small ones as usual.

After 7 flushes I can tell that my liver feels much better and my overall energy levels are way up.
Before I started to do liver flushes, my liver felt irritated and or sensitive half of the time and this is almost gone now.
Also, I had huge energy dips at about four o clock in the afternoon that lasted till about eight of nine o clock.
These sort of energy dips are almost always related to liver problems.
Now I can go on all day without experiencing these kinds of energy issues.

A failing liver and bile flow are also connected with digestive problems, resulting in stool that has different characteristics of malfunction.
Too thin, too thick, wrong color,it floats.
After the first flush this was corrected and never caused me problems since.

I can add to that,my frame of mind improved a lot ever since I started to do liver flushes.

'Connecting with sauce' (the initiator of this thread) had this to say about that:

Posted by Connecting with Sauce (here)

Posted by Wakytweaky(that would be me, Eram) (here)
Spot on there.

I wonder if this stagnation of Chi in the Liver also causes the stagnation of chi in the knees and ankles, or if there is a relation there.
I have had problems (mild inflammations and unexplainable injuries at the knees many times in my life), and my girlfriend, who can feel chi flows, says that the chi flow in my legs is stagnated and when she de-blocks the stagnation in the ankles, the stagnation immediately forms a bit higher in the leg. I actually have a rheumatoid arthritis in one knee now for some time.
I do exercises for it (chi flow) that help to some extend, but it is working as a bandage only so far.
I hope that with the coming liver flushes, there will be improvement in that area as well.

My intuition always linked my angry like personality to the liver. Well angry as in, grumpiness and with a short fuse sometimes.
I actually went to therapy for that (short fuse), but not with the result that I hoped for. It's still there.

I don't know, but reading this book from Andreas Moritz feels like a big congregation of roads. A turn around point if you will.

I will look into that website as well. Try some herbs maybe, to get the chi flow in the right direction

My analogy with anger and the liver flush...

Before flush it is like a kettle which has recently been boiled... and boiling is anger... Doing a liver flush or three (I've done 12+ now) is like changing the water in the kettle for fresh cold water. I no longer feel angry at all about anything and more observe situations rather than get emotionally "tweaked" by them, if this makes sense... I think it is ONE OF THE BEST things ANYONE can do to regain their health and mental stability...

John Shore

His description here equals my personal findings also.
My temper has calmed down a lot (my family can testify to that).

So, in my opinion and findings, liver flushes certainly change ones health (body & psyche) for the better.

Andreas Moritz book talks about stones becoming more darker green with every flush because that stones come from deeper within the liver.
After that, stones are more yellow or less dark green, because they are newer and just formed with small stones that came from the small tubes in the liver, congregating in the bigger tubes.

This is exactly what I witnessed.
yellow green stones in the beginning, turning darker green with every flush, up till the 5th flush.
After that the stones turns more yellow/green/gray and when looked upon more closely, I could see that they where recently formed from smaller stones.

I would very much like to know if it really true that stones can be formed after taking the olive oil/grape juice solution and how one can see the difference between the stones that are formed in the liver and the stones, formed after the solutions.
My personal findings led me to believe that stones are being formed in the liver though, and that taking the liver flushes is one of the best ways to regain health again.

edit to ad:
One of the members here, who took 11 liver flushes so far, recently went for a ibogain weekend and he was the only one of all the participants that didn't have to puke due to the ibogain.
Ibogain is known to be hard on the liver....

[gracieuse]

Hi everyone, I love a sparked debate! Shining an analytical light on our own and other people's viewpoints and methods enables us to test the truth in whatever we believe in, thus it holds the potential to bring out the best in each and every one of us. Which is why I would not categorise my previous post as an "attack", it definitely was not intended that way and I wrote respectfully that I was not discrediting anyone's experience. Anyway, if a method is truthful it can withstand any "attack" on its foundation.

Let's make a critical distinction here. People wrote here about their positive experiences with the liver cleanse. And I had read those accounts already when I placed my previous post. Like I said, I do not discount those experiences. But now onto the matter of fact/context and the interpretation thereof. The fact is the positive experiences several of you had. The interpretation is, what exactly happened in the body that caused those positive experiences? Until now, the assumption has been made that the cause of the experience was the expulsion of gallstones (I'll return to the matter of liver stones in a bit).

Turning back to the article, which appeared in a peer-reviewed medical journal, it is highly unlikely gallstones were indeed expulsed. The article refers to two cases in which stones that were returned from the cleanse described in the post were subjected to testing in the lab. The studies concluded that the composition of the stones is in no way like that of gallstones. The main ingredients of the stones were 'triglycerides' and 'fatty acids', the composition of which was consistent with that of olive oil, no cholesterol or bilirubine, of which gallstones are formed. Given to patients with stones, the xrays showed no improvement of their condition after the cleanse, even though 'stones' were passed. The experiment was re-verified by having patients that were proven to be stone-free (x-rays, echographies) take the cleanse, and they expelled a large amount of 'stones'. The literature concludes that the stones are formed by the interaction between bile, juices from the pancreas and olive oil, perhaps in combination with the salts from the grapefruit juice.

For a note of nuance, that article notes that the combination of such a dose of olive oil, in combination with the epsom salts has a great contracting effect on the galbladder, resulting in the release of a great(er) amount of bile and pancreatic fluids. Therefore it is not excluded that some actual small galstones will be released. As mentioned before, due to their composition, if actual gallstones are released at all, they will sink and not float, so then it'll be diving into the toilet for ya

Anyway, if you want to be sure, the way to go is to take your jewels to the lab! On a side note, Hulda Clark died of cancer.

For these parts, the article quotes (I have no access to the original sources):

Dekkers R. Apple juice and the chemical-contact softening of gallstones. Lancet. 1999;354:2171 Medline. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(05)77083-5

Ewald N, Hardt PD. [Flushing stones? "Liver purging" and "gallbladder lavage"]. Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 2009;134:1774 Medline. doi:10.1055/s-0029-1234016

Sies CW, Brooker J. Could these be gallstones? Lancet. 2005;365:1388 Medline. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(05)66373-8

Saunders JH, Thjodleifsson B, Wormsley KG. Effect of intraduodenal magnesium sulphate on pancreas and gallbladder of man. Gut. 1976;17:435-8 Medline. doi:10.1136/gut.17.6.435

If that is true, then why after I have flushed my liver and gallbladder no more stones are "produced"?!?! I put the same ingredients in, so why don't I produce the same stones every time?

Ok I am not a doctor or someone with intricate knowledge of the internal working of organs, but following the logic of the previous analysis, perhaps the body gets used to the cleanses more and more, so the galbladder contracts less, which results in less and eventually no stones, as the bile and juices from the pancreas are necessary to form the stones.

Onto the point of liverstones. I've found that there is rare condition called "intrahepatic calculi" which may cause stones in the liver through an interaction with a viral infection and inflammation, but this pretty much does not occur in the west, only in eastern countries. I have not been able to get access to an article from a medical journal to verify this information, only from general medical websites.

Last but not least, the point of interpreting people's factual experiences. How come you feel better after the 'cleanse' if no/exceptionally a few galstones have been passed? This is a very interesting matter indeed. Some ideas:
- grapefruit juice is rich in vitamins and minerals
- olive oil is rich in important fatty acids
- an element of epsom salt is magnesium
Maybe some of you were suffering a lack or depletion of minerals or other building blocks that the treatment provides. A lack of vitamins/minerals can certainly turn one into a little demon, and deplete your energies. I know that from personal experience
Some other suggestions can be found here

Now, a doc here has also made an interesting point: the liver is the organ in our body that detoxifies our bodies; it does not need detoxification itself. Along with another important point: the ducts are too small to pass such large stones as those that come out of the cleanse.

This leads me to more food for thought: are (harsh) cleanses harming our bodies more than they do good? This though has come up before, after doing a saltwater colon cleanse. It's such a forceful activity to first pass 1,5 l of water through your organs in a short period of time, not to mention the needed bacterias that are flushed out along with it. Besides, I've spoken with a specialist in internal medicine, and he explained that the whole inner lining of the intestines is constantly renewed by the body itself on the very cellular level.

As the contact with my body is becoming more intimate, I'm finding more and more what a marvellous 'entity' it is. I believe the body is created perfect and will do a fine job at detoxing just by itself. The body is always striving towards balance. You can greatly hinder its effort or support it. However, I personally believe in the support by exercise, fresh air, sunlight, a diet that is nutritious for you (or prana if you've climbed the ladder of breatharianism ), meditation in the broadest sense of the word. Get in touch with your body and it will tell you what it needs, you might be drawn to a certain colour/smell of a food product. Perhaps getting off of addictive food and drinks, reducing caloric intake to the minimum, carefully chewing the food until it is liquid, eating in awareness and an occasional fast (carefully built up so it is not forceful) are much better detoxes/cleanses.

[Hervé]

From my experience...

I started with a severe case of jaundice which was preceded by severe "stomach cramps" I had no idea what was causing them; see post # 92.

The conclusion is that my liver-pancreatic common duct was completely clogged with large stones and generating these severe "stomach cramps."

The argument that stones larger than bile ducts diameter cannot be expelled doesn't hold much water since magnesium is a muscle relaxant allowing for extreme stretching of bile ducts (giving birth is an analogue to such extremes).

The curezone "dye experiment " is insufficiently analyzed since the dye used is toxic and liver processes toxins which therefore end up being expelled by the liver and/or incorporated within stones. Hence the presence of the dye in the stones doesn't necessarily imply it is the olive oil that's being balled-up into stones.

Intrahepatic stones do exist:

Intrahepatic Stones - Liver - Bile Ducts

X-rays and echographies do not detect most of the actual gallstones present.

The argument presented by Ilie that the number and size of stones decrease down to nil is a clincher against "It's just the olive oil and the salt balled up overnight."

As for the medical industry financed by big pharma, see this article, then, this one <---


As for the success rate of liver flushes and how individual gauge said results and felt afterwards, see this comprehensive survey: http://curezone.com/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=1

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

So readers to this thread may fell disappointing or feel cheated when reading all the "debunking" that is done on the net about the myth of "liver and gallbladder" flush.

To those people, (those that want to get well and do not want to have surgery or other invasive "modern medicine" treatment) I suggest the following:

- do read Andreas books recommended on this thread. I am not saying this information is 100% accurate, but he does explain things a lot better, he gives plenty of references for his "claims" and he deals (at the end) with the so "skepticism".

- do read about the positive experiences myself and others have had with this. I am not lying, and I think I've also provided some photos. This proves that "something does happen" that assists in the healing process. Now you can debate what "exactly is happening" or you can start the healing process. The medicine will eventually catch up, but not any time soon.

- there are people that DO NOT tolerate this protocol. To say that it helps everybody is not accurate. So you will have to test it out. In the books it is explained how you can do this safely, what to expect, what to do in case of trouble. The attacks on the web that "nobody is telling you about risks" are just bollocks! You are being told, and even on this thread myself and others talked about the possible risks. So you have to get informed and decide on your own if you want to try it out or not.

- don't get stuck on "peer reviewed medical journal" thing that says this is not possible. There are plenty reasons why those reviews may be biased and they simply refuse to look at the all the positive experience people have. They focus a few negative results, and they do not investigate if the person did follow the protocol properly, if the person tested to see if s/he is allergic to any of things you need to drink and so on. In other works, the so called "scientific journal" is not very scientific in its method. It's a piece of text, with "big scientific words" that dazzle and do not say much (or follow any scientific protocol).

- do look at placebo. Most thinks is the magical stuff or "wishful thinking" and yet even Big Pharma has to admit it is a real effect since their medicine needs to be tested against it. So to day "this is just a placebo effect" has absolutely ZERO value with me. As far as I am concerned, all healing is a Placebo effect, and you are trying to trigger this effect as strongly as you can.

[Eram]

Hi again gracieuse,

After reading your last post I actually went as far to read all your post to get a better feel as to your intentions here on Avalon.
Well, you seem to be sincere enough

It does appear to me though that you haven't read the book that Andres Moritz wrote about this as he addresses a lot of your concerns there.

Sadly, we live in a world where a lot of medical information leads one to a life full of pain and pharmaceutical poison.
If you are seriously interested in becoming a master of your own health, you have to develop a sense as to what information is valid and what information is filled with ignorance, or downright bad intentions.

Also from your suggestions here:

Posted by gracieuse (here)

Last but not least, the point of interpreting people's factual experiences. How come you feel better after the 'cleanse' if no/exceptionally a few galstones have been passed? This is a very interesting matter indeed. Some ideas:
- grapefruit juice is rich in vitamins and minerals
- olive oil is rich in important fatty acids
- an element of epsom salt is magnesium
Maybe some of you were suffering a lack or depletion of minerals or other building blocks that the treatment provides. A lack of vitamins/minerals can certainly turn one into a little demon, and deplete your energies. I know that from personal experience
Some other suggestions can be found here

I deduct that your awareness of the human body, well being and nutrition has to improve somewhat.
To attribute improved health to a small amount of vitamins, minerals, fatty acids and magnesium, taken only once every 3 or 4 weeks is not accurate.
I agree that a lack of vitamins, minerals and healthy fat leaves the body in a starvation mode, but one has to supplement over a longer period of time and almost every day to find improvement in health.

Ilie pandia and Amzer Zo are two fine examples of living prove of the truth in the liver cleanse protocols.
Their health has changed dramatically for the better after the liver flushes.

for instance:

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Well, 11th is behind me.

I've only passed a very very small stone.

So I guess I'll have my 12th next month and then I'm done

This is me before and after:





There is a dramatic drop in weight, that is obvious to everybody, but there have also been internal changes just as dramatic that you cannot see

[Swan]

Hi everyone,

I was all set to do my first liver cleanse a couple of months ago. But when I was about to drink the epsom salts my body just refused. I could not force myself to drink it. I could not convince myself that it would be of no harm to my body.

So, about 8 weeks ago, I decided to do the Dr Schulze 30 day detox instead. This is 2 weeks of bowel detoxing, one week liver cleansing and one week kidney cleansing. The detoxing is done with herbs while on a raw food diet / juice fasting.

I feel ( and look ) amazing. The detox made it quite easy to give up all the foods I was addicted to. And I am still dairy-sugar-coffee-alcohol-grain free, and eat mostly raw food.

I am not discounting anybody´s experiences, in fact I might even try this liver cleanse again. But if one feels it is too harsh, IMO the Dr Schulze detox is a very good alternative.

[Hervé]

13th liver flush on another full moon... less spectacular than the last couple of flushes and, hopefully, an indication that my liver is running out of stones to spit out

Right of coin, stones that came out in the morning before the third glass of Epsom; left, the stones that came out after that third glass.

Sample of the stones that came out after the fourth and last glass of Epsom.

After that there were about a dozen of small late comers and that's about it for this one.

[Hervé]

Oooops... more late comers:

Opened up a few...

Close ups:

[Connecting with Sauce]

The liver flukes / parasites which came out of me during the fasting part... and also people experiencing green bile stones coming out during the "apple juice vegan diet" part before any salts OR oils are consumed debunks the internet quackwatchers... I know numerous people outside of this including 4 family members and close friends who have all experienced positive health benefits from liver flushing... However if you remain on a wheat/sugar based western diet all you are doing is prolonging the inner damage... Sugar and wheat I think are the two worst players.

I used to be 118kg and am now 72-74 kg ...

This is from a combination of the following

Liver flushing as per this thread and this one I started on PA1 > http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16447

Mercury amalgam removal as per this thread > http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...hlight=mercury

Homeapathic HCG loosing 14kg in 5 weeks as per this thread > https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-to-know-about...

Distilled waters as per this thread > http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7340
(I now do not add in-organic minerals and tend to try and drink >4 Litres per day of distilled fluids (distilled water / urine... mainly urine)

Urine therapy as per this thread > https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-best-medicine...

I have not done a liver flush for quite a while but parts of urine therapy looping I am sure clears you out like a liver flush as loose stools can be quite biley in nature during urine fasting...

[Eram]

I took my 8th flush on the night of the full moon too this time.
Unfortunately the flush was accompanied with an upcoming stomach flew (which I didn't see coming until it was too late), leaving me sick for more then a day.

Not an unusual amount of stones this time.
I'm still uncertain about the full moon flushes and bringing extra stones out, but it appears that the statement made by mr. Moritz that a New Moon is the best time for a liver flush is at least overemphasized.

Posted by Swan (here)
Hi everyone,

I was all set to do my first liver cleanse a couple of months ago. But when I was about to drink the epsom salts my body just refused. I could not force myself to drink it. I could not convince myself that it would be of no harm to my body.

So, about 8 weeks ago, I decided to do the Dr Schulze 30 day detox instead. This is 2 weeks of bowel detoxing, one week liver cleansing and one week kidney cleansing. The detoxing is done with herbs while on a raw food diet / juice fasting.

I feel ( and look ) amazing. The detox made it quite easy to give up all the foods I was addicted to. And I am still dairy-sugar-coffee-alcohol-grain free, and eat mostly raw food.

I am not discounting anybody´s experiences, in fact I might even try this liver cleanse again. But if one feels it is too harsh, IMO the Dr Schulze detox is a very good alternative.

So nice to hear that you are feeling good Swan.
I take it that you overcame your skin condition with this program as well?

The Schulze liver detox claims to dissolve hardened sediments in the gallbladder.
If this is indeed true, this detox program would in my eyes indeed be a good alternative for the Moritz liver cleanse.

To me personally ... a raw food diet feels like a far bigger challenge then the Moritz liver flush

Ultimately, I am aiming to eat a diet with only healthy foods, but for the moment I am far to addicted to my sugars, cheese, chocolate etc. to wave that goodbye altogether.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q52JKIzBJ8s

[Swan]

Posted by Eram (here)

So nice to hear that you are feeling good Swan.
I take it that you overcame your skin condition with this program as well?

The Schulze liver detox claims to dissolve hardened sediments in the gallbladder.
If this is indeed true, this detox program would in my eyes indeed be a good alternative for the Moritz liver cleanse.

To me personally ... a raw food diet feels like a far bigger challenge then the Moritz liver flush

Ultimately, I am aiming to eat a diet with only healthy foods, but for the moment I am far to addicted to my sugars, cheese, chocolate etc. to wave that goodbye altogether.

If I hadn´t been so sick, I would probably never done the detox . The infection I had kept returning so I needed to do something drastic.

Since I love food, especially bread, cheese and coffee...it was not easy. BUT I must say, I love not craving these things now. I feel much sharper, and less sluggish.

But I am still toying with the idea of doing the Moritz liver detox, or another week of the Schulze detox. My temper is still far too short.

[Eram]

Posted by Swan (here)

Posted by Eram (here)

So nice to hear that you are feeling good Swan.
I take it that you overcame your skin condition with this program as well?

The Schulze liver detox claims to dissolve hardened sediments in the gallbladder.
If this is indeed true, this detox program would in my eyes indeed be a good alternative for the Moritz liver cleanse.

To me personally ... a raw food diet feels like a far bigger challenge then the Moritz liver flush

Ultimately, I am aiming to eat a diet with only healthy foods, but for the moment I am far to addicted to my sugars, cheese, chocolate etc. to wave that goodbye altogether.

If I hadn´t been so sick, I would probably never done the detox . The infection I had kept returning so I needed to do something drastic.

Since I love food, especially bread, cheese and coffee...it was not easy. BUT I must say, I love not craving these things now. I feel much sharper, and less sluggish.

But I am still toying with the idea of doing the Moritz liver detox, or another week of the Schulze detox. My temper is still far too short.

I am far from an expert on the Schulze liver detox, but wouldn't that therapy clean the liver of stones too?
If it claims to get rid of the hardened sediments in the gall bladder, then I would think that also the stones from the liver would dissolve...

Andreas Moritz says that the obstruction of the bile flow in the liver (from the stones), creates a physical frustration, which gets translated to emotional anger.

I have a short temper too, sad to say, and in a family with two young children, this is no blessing at all.

Since I started to do the liver flushes, the rate that I ignite in anger has dropped at least with 50 maybe 70%.
That's almost a miracle isn't it?

So the way that my short temper acts is still the same.
When I'm tired, or low in energy, and I get a sensory overload, like two children demanding my attention, while at the same time trying to prevent a pan on the fire from burning the food in there, then I can burst out and yell at them to all "be quiet".
But it just doesn't happen that much anymore.
There are whole weeks without them actually.

ps: The movie with Andreas Moritz that you posted (connecting with sauce) is really good and informative and I can really recommend it.
He knows so damn much about the human body, what causes illnesses and how to prevent it.
I'm going to read his other books too

[Swan]

Yes, I am sure anger and the liver are connected. And I feel I owe it to my children to clear it as much as possible. But I am still a little worried about drinking so much epsom salts. Can´t that be dangerous?

I should add that I have read the book. I am just not convinced...

[Eram]

From memory, I can say that A. Moritz states that some people might experience an allergic reaction to epsom salt and people best test themselves for this, before doing a first liver flush.

a few links that talk about possible risks involved with the use of epsom salt.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/17...-salt-dangers/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/14...s-epsom-salts/
http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthrea...-Liver-cleanse

[music]

This may have been posted here before, but here is a list from Natrual News of cheap and easy detoxes, and my recipe for standard detox tea.

Tea

2 x chamomile
1 x elderflower
1 x yarrow
1 x skullcap
1 x peppermint
1 x catnip
1/2 x hops

Damiana may replace skullcap, passion flower may replace hops.

Seven ways to detox on a budget

[Connecting with Sauce]

[QUOTE=Eram;652350]
'Connecting with sauce' (the initiator of this thread) had this to say about that:
[QUOTE=Connecting with Sauce;561900]

Posted by Wakytweaky(that would be me, Eram) (here)
Spot on there.

Thank you for reminding me of my quote, that was how I remember it... I'm interested in doing another liver flush as I've been looping/recycling urine for probably a year of so now and would like to see if I have any liver / GB stones still after intensive urine therapy.

[Hervé]

Another full moon and another successful liver cleanse; my 14th:


Upon awakening and before the 3rd bottom's up Epsom salt:

Sectioned a few:

After 4th Epsom salt:

Sectioned:

Details of concentric accretions:

Late comers:

Opened up:

Later...

Opened up:

I am quite baffled by the number of the bigger ones since it's only been a month from my last cleanse???